[RitzRT]

**yawn**

Here we go again. Of course, we have no way of knowing if your fluid is compatible or not. Like your oil, it isn't certified by ANY standards body, doesn't carry any API/ILSAC certification, nor is it recommended by ZF or MOPAR for this (or any) application.

Answer my question. Are you prepared to pay if someone's transmission is damaged by your product? What warranty do you offer to consumers who purchase your product for use in an application that it is not certified for by any recognized body or the transmission manufacturer?

You're encouraging someone who has come here for information to intentionally risk warranty coverage if there is an issue with their transmission after using your products. I find that to be pretty irresponsible, but not surprising given your behavior here.

Best,

 

[370 HEMI]

**yawn**

Here we go again. Of course, we have no way of knowing if your fluid is compatible or not. Like your oil, it isn't certified by ANY standards body, doesn't carry any API/ILSAC certification, nor is it recommended by ZF or MOPAR for this (or any) application.

Answer my question. Are you prepared to pay if someone's transmission is damaged by your product? What warranty do you offer to consumers who purchase your product for use in an application that it is not certified for by any recognized body or the transmission manufacturer?

You're encouraging someone who has come here for information to intentionally risk warranty coverage if there is an issue with their transmission after using your products. I find that to be pretty irresponsible, but not surprising given your behavior here.

Best,

You are like trying to answer the question.......when did you stop beating your wife.......well I never started!

Given my behavior.....the only behavior we have an issue with is your being inane! My behavior is paying as a vendor for 10 years on this forum supporting it so people can have a free forum. Also our behavior of making exceptional products that people love and purchase over and over again with no failures on lubricants or fuel materials!

Maybe you are still not getting it so I will try it a little slower.
There....Will....Be.....NO....Failures.....With.....Our.....Transmission.....Fluids.....in....ANY.....Transmissions......that......use......our....fluids. 2 speed, 3 speed, 4 speed, 5 speed, 6 speed 7 speed, 8 speed, 9 speed and 10 speed transmissions that we work on! There has never been a failure and there never will be so your statement of us paying for a failure that will never happen is a straw man argument. You first show me one failure of any system anywhere from any place!

We have no need to pay for a failure that will never happen. Of course we make the fluids to meet and exceed the specifications for the ZF 8 Speed Lifeguard Fluid but with 200 degrees hotter temperature resistance and better more robust modifiers for racing purposes. We have many customers that race 8 speed ZF transmissions and they depend on the quality of the fluid we provide. These don't fail during racing so you can be assured that it won't happen with a regular user of our transmission fluids.

People here have even put themselves out saying they use our fluids but I guess they are somehow stupid in your estimation. If there is ever a failure on one of these transmissions it won't be a lubricant failure so there is no reason to pledge something that won't happen.

It is like having a warranty for pigs flying out of their pens with their wings!

Give it up because you have nothing but your continual ignorance and subterfuge!

Brian
BND Automotive LLC:driving:
440-821-9040
www.bndautomotive.com
Forum Vendor for 10 years!

 

[Mangoman]

I wonder if the Mopar fluid has coverage like Mr.Ritz is asking Brian for, does anyone know?

 

[370 HEMI]

I wonder if the Mopar fluid has coverage like Mr.Ritz is asking Brian for, does anyone know?

Mopar fluid the 8 & 9 speed fluid carries a part number of 68218925AA. They will warranty any transmission during the warranty period as long as the fluid introduced into it meets or exceeds the specification....Mopar or otherwise. The Magnuson-Moss Act provides protection through FTC. There has NEVER been a refusal of warranty claim on any system using our products ever.

What the manual actually says is as follows:

So use the Mopar fluid at between $35.00 and $43.00 per quart or you can get one of the off the shelf fluids that are shown to de-laminate the clutch materials and attack the seals...as they are not completely compatible or you can get a fluid that is much better.....our QuantumBlue ZF 8 Speed Racing ATF and get the best possible outcome. $14.95 vs OEM.

Remember that we have been doing these ZF 8 Speeds since 2012......for 8 years this year and zero problems.

We have also done 5HP and 6HP transmissions in the BMW and Audi vehicles for 14 years.....and again.....zero problems and actually much better smoother performance out of these units. :bigthumb:

Regards,
Brian
BND Automotive LLC:driving:
440-821-9040
www.bndautomotive.com
Forum Vendor for 9 years!

 

[CE9311]

You are like trying to answer the question.......when did you stop beating your wife.......well I never started!

Given my behavior.....the only behavior we have an issue with is your being inane! My behavior is paying as a vendor for 10 years on this forum supporting it so people can have a free forum. Also our behavior of making exceptional products that people love and purchase over and over again with no failures on lubricants or fuel materials!

Maybe you are still not getting it so I will try it a little slower.
There....Will....Be.....NO....Failures.....With.....Our.....Transmission.....Fluids.....in....ANY.....Transmissions......that......use......our....fluids. 2 speed, 3 speed, 4 speed, 5 speed, 6 speed 7 speed, 8 speed, 9 speed and 10 speed transmissions that we work on! There has never been a failure and there never will be so your statement of us paying for a failure that will never happen is a straw man argument. You first show me one failure of any system anywhere from any place!

We have no need to pay for a failure that will never happen. Of course we make the fluids to meet and exceed the specifications for the ZF 8 Speed Lifeguard Fluid but with 200 degrees hotter temperature resistance and better more robust modifiers for racing purposes. We have many customers that race 8 speed ZF transmissions and they depend on the quality of the fluid we provide. These don't fail during racing so you can be assured that it won't happen with a regular user of our transmission fluids.

People here have even put themselves out saying they use our fluids but I guess they are somehow stupid in your estimation. If there is ever a failure on one of these transmissions it won't be a lubricant failure so there is no reason to pledge something that won't happen.

It is like having a warranty for pigs flying out of their pens with their wings!

Give it up because you have nothing but your continual ignorance and subterfuge!

Brian
BND Automotive LLC:driving:
440-821-9040
www.bndautomotive.com
Forum Vendor for 10 years!

I think he is just wanting to know if there was a failure, and Mopar came out and said they felt the fluid was to blame would BND back up that it wasn't in a fight for warranty coverage. Not if the fluid it self did or did not cause the issues but Mopars determination. Kinda like Chevy did to the one guy with the Catch can. He loss out of an engine cause Chevy said it was the cause regardless if it was or not. Once again, not saying QB fluid could/would just rather what Mother Mopar would say if they for whatever reason determined it was not their specced fluid and used it as a excuse to not honor a warranty.





Also, more famous things that said would never happen -


"God Himself can not sink this Ship" -Titanic


"O-rings will be fine with the overnight temperatures" - STS Challenger


Point being, any mechanical device can fail and any given moment for any amount of reasons and no amount of swearing, or promising can protect anything from that fact.

 

[Mangoman]

Do any fluid manufacturers do what you guys are asking Brian? Not hating I'm actually asking.

 

[CE9311]

Do any fluid manufacturers do what you guys are asking Brian? Not hating I'm actually asking.

No, its a fair question. And I personally have no clue as I have never owned a car with a warranty on it. I just wanted to clarify that this wasn't about any claims what the BND fluid can do, but the what if scenario involving warrenties.



I could only wager that any of the bulk carriers have certifications or labels or whatever they are called that dictate they meet/exceed the requirements and that would be the argument a person would show to mopar in case of this scenario unfolding in a battle to re-instate said warranty.



Where as this scenario is/would be rare it is a legit idea and question. As stated, a guy lost out big time cause Chevy decided a Catch can was the reason why his still brand new camaro had an oil pump failure. Not the dealer but GM Directly. For some folks that's a huge hit on a new car. I never read rather or not the people who sold him the CC would help stand beside him and fight this absurd declaration of failure cause or not. Last I heard he got screwed. Bottom line, It's not what I think, you think, what BND thinks, it comes down to what Mopar (FCA) thinks. And if it happens what knowledge, routes, and information a person changing anything from stock on their car has when factory warranty applies.





From a Customer standpoint I think its fair to want to know rather or not the supplier would be there to help win a warranty battle against a shady diagnosis or just claim it is sold as a performance enhanced aftermarket fluid that exceeds criteria based on spec,and that the user understands that said supplier is not responsible for any claims of failure direct or indirectly related to sold product based on it's usage.

 

[Bobw]

Do any fluid manufacturers do what you guys are asking Brian? Not hating I'm actually asking.

To answer that specific question, yes. To be clear, this is not posted as a "use Royal Purple", "Royal Purple is great", "Royal Purple sucks", or anything else about that or ANY other oil. Just that they have a written warranty, which is what was asked. You can be sure that regardless of what their warranty says, they are NOT going to pay for engine repair or replacement for a car under warranty - ever. The chances of that or any other oil or fluid that is actually what it is claimed to be causing an engine to fail under warranty is really tiny. They are going to have their lawyers send a letter saying "prove it was the oil". Out of warranty might be a different deal.

Given that BND states there has never been a failure or any other issue with any vehicle that could be remotely attributable to their products, I would think that a similar stance could be taken without major risk - at least for cars under manufacturer warranty. Dealer / manufacturer blames the oil. BND lawyer sends letter saying "not so fast"... "prove IT WAS THE xyz fluid". Magnuson Moss, specs met, interval met, analysis for xyz fluid still meets spec, etc. Seems that there would be little expense, and a big reward for BND where it can be shown that in that rare instance where BS was claimed, science and facts prevailed over BS. IOW, a big feather in the cap.
http://www.royalpurple.com/royal-purple-pledge/

I went down this path a bit a while ago asking about the BND coolant. Warranty, etc. My questions - and the stuff above - isn't / wasn't intended as stirring the pot. BND obviously has lawyers given what they sell has some liability. Take it from those of us that FCA has screwed, and walked all over, having a "warranty" where if dealer / manufacturer claims "wrong stuff or bad stuff, too bad", there's a manufacturer behind it that says "we've got your back, we will prove it wasn't our stuff and if we can't, we'll take care of it". They - BND - know the science behind what they are selling, and are in a much better position to call BS if the product is pointed at as being the cause of any issue. Then there's the real possibility for recovery of damages for libel of their product.

This I think would stop a lot of hesitance of using those products - especially the 8 speed oil in lieu of the Goldschläger like ZF fluid where, at that price they should at least use some as lube before....

 

[RitzRT]

To answer that specific question, yes. To be clear, this is not posted as a "use Royal Purple", "Royal Purple is great", "Royal Purple sucks", or anything else about that or ANY other oil. Just that they have a written warranty, which is what was asked. You can be sure that regardless of what their warranty says, they are NOT going to pay for engine repair or replacement for a car under warranty - ever. The chances of that or any other oil or fluid that is actually what it is claimed to be causing an engine to fail under warranty is really tiny. They are going to have their lawyers send a letter saying "prove it was the oil". Out of warranty might be a different deal.

Given that BND states there has never been a failure or any other issue with any vehicle that could be remotely attributable to their products, I would think that a similar stance could be taken without major risk - at least for cars under manufacturer warranty. Dealer / manufacturer blames the oil. BND lawyer sends letter saying "not so fast"... "prove IT WAS THE xyz fluid". Magnuson Moss, specs met, interval met, analysis for xyz fluid still meets spec, etc. Seems that there would be little expense, and a big reward for BND where it can be shown that in that rare instance where BS was claimed, science and facts prevailed over BS. IOW, a big feather in the cap.
http://www.royalpurple.com/royal-purple-pledge/

I went down this path a bit a while ago asking about the BND coolant. Warranty, etc. My questions - and the stuff above - isn't / wasn't intended as stirring the pot. BND obviously has lawyers given what they sell has some liability. Take it from those of us that FCA has screwed, and walked all over, having a "warranty" where if dealer / manufacturer claims "wrong stuff or bad stuff, too bad", there's a manufacturer behind it that says "we've got your back, we will prove it wasn't our stuff and if we can't, we'll take care of it". They - BND - know the science behind what they are selling, and are in a much better position to call BS if the product is pointed at as being the cause of any issue. Then there's the real possibility for recovery of damages for libel of their product.

This I think would stop a lot of hesitance of using those products - especially the 8 speed oil in lieu of the Goldschläger like ZF fluid where, at that price they should at least use some as lube before....

Exactly! We all know what happens in the real world...a dealer and/or FCA will just say "nope" and then it's on the consumer to go after them. Meanwhile, the car owner has to eat the cost of repairs. Brian would rather hurl insults and do a lot of hand waving than answer the question. The product demonstrably does not have the certifications specified by the vehicle and transmission manufacturer so the onus is on BND to provide comfort to the consumer around warranty coverage, not on me or anyone else to prove failures. I do like the fact that Brian has the ability to see into the future and know that there will never be any failures to worry about.

Lastly, this is classic Brian. Someone had a question. I provided a definitive answer from the manufacturer and a video with a how-to with vendor neutral recommendations. Then Brian comes in (after all, the thread had the word oil or fluid or mileage or performance in it) and does the usual selling routine in the regular user forums and then attacks me personally when I point out that his product doesn't conform to what is specified by the manufacturer's documentation.

Edit: I'm not in any way saying that BND's products are inferior...only that they lack the certifications specified by FCA and ZF.

Best,

 

[Mangoman]

So then basicly NO AFTERMARKET FLUIDS should be used, no one but the dealership can do the service, Hell for that matter you better not even open your hood because the dealer can void your warranty if you do? I'm not sure I'm understanding why any aftermarket fluid companies even exist or could exist if this is the case.

Something doesn't sound right about all of this to me. I used to be a manager at Advance Auto and in all my years working there or as an ASE certified master tech I've never had 1 customer tell me how a manufacturer denied them warranty because of using oil A over oil B. Even Quaker Cake!

IDK, I must be missing what some here are saying.

I know about the catch can dude but to be fair Dodge voided a Hellcat owners warranty due to a K&N drop in air filter.

Lastly challenge to you both!

Mr.Brian can you please supply proof that your product meets or exceeds OEM Mopar ZF fluid?

Mr.Ritz can you please supply proof that the ZF transmission fluid marketed and sold by BND does NOT meet or exceed OEM Mopar ZF fluid?

Thank you both as I'm SURE both of you have laboratory test results to prove your claims.

 

[CE9311]

So then basicly NO AFTERMARKET FLUIDS should be used, no one but the dealership can do the service, Hell for that matter you better not even open your hood because the dealer can void your warranty if you do? I'm not sure I'm understanding why any aftermarket fluid companies even exist or could exist if this is the case.


If you would read everything besides what you want, you would see I wrote that shelf products have the certifcations/labels that state they meet the requirements of the fluid they are being used for. This is what matters. legally speaking a bottle labeled from a manufacture stating it meets the O.E. requirements will fair alot better than bottle of fluid that the seller states failure will never happen no way no how in a this specific warranty scenario.. There is no control over what corporate can/will use as a reason to deny warranty work. If asked of service history and folks say changed myself with this fluid and it does not have any certification approved by them (mopar this case) they can deny it. The question is rather or not BND will help the owner in said situation in proving the fluid meets and exceeds the requirements and was not cause of the failure.



Something doesn't sound right about all of this to me. I used to be a manager at Advance Auto and in all my years working there or as an ASE certified master tech I've never had 1 customer tell me how a manufacturer denied them warranty because of using oil A over oil B. Even Quaker Cake!


Congrats. I was a lower level manger in parts and held a ASE in parts. However personally ASE certifications mean nothing more than a person can read and pass a test. I was highly disappointed when I took mine and looked at others due to simplicity or ease of answer finding. I 've out diagnosed several "master Techs". However Techs with experience is what matters and I've always gone to them first. Also, anyone can claim to be a ASE Master Tech online. Easy as typing. Nothing personal just I've seen this used many times in forums debating mechanical aspects.



IDK, I must be missing what some here are saying.

I know about the catch can dude but to be fair Dodge voided a Hellcat owners warranty due to a K&N drop in air filter.

Never read rather K&N had any warnings or disclaminers on such things. May have to read a box next time in parts store. I fear the warranty deal with such devices from mundane to higher level will be getting worse as car manufactures start squeezing for every dollar.


Lastly challenge to you both!

Mr.Brian can you please supply proof that your product meets or exceeds OEM Mopar ZF fluid?

Mr.Ritz can you please supply proof that the ZF transmission fluid marketed and sold by BND does NOT meet or exceed OEM Mopar ZF fluid?

Thank you both as I'm SURE both of you have laboratory test results to prove your claims.


My question/argument as I understand it isn't rather it meets or exceeds it. Rather or not BND will provide the necessary information and support in case XX guy gets fluid, enjoys it works fine, transmission dies - service history is asked reports proof of service with BND fluid and FCA says whoa, they arn't approved by us warrantied denied. I repeat, not about the fluid it is all about how it may effect the rare chance of warranty work. I have seen in shop once where Chrysler denied warranty transmission cause last service listed dex/merc as fluid used. Didn't even care that sun-gear had failed. Wrong fluid = No Warranty.

 

[370 HEMI]

Exactly! We all know what happens in the real world...a dealer and/or FCA will just say "nope" and then it's on the consumer to go after them. Meanwhile, the car owner has to eat the cost of repairs. Brian would rather hurl insults and do a lot of hand waving than answer the question. The product demonstrably does not have the certifications specified by the vehicle and transmission manufacturer so the onus is on BND to provide comfort to the consumer around warranty coverage, not on me or anyone else to prove failures. I do like the fact that Brian has the ability to see into the future and know that there will never be any failures to worry about.

Lastly, this is classic Brian. Someone had a question. I provided a definitive answer from the manufacturer and a video with a how-to with vendor neutral recommendations. Then Brian comes in (after all, the thread had the word oil or fluid or mileage or performance in it) and does the usual selling routine in the regular user forums and then attacks me personally when I point out that his product doesn't conform to what is specified by the manufacturer's documentation.

Edit: I'm not in any way saying that BND's products are inferior...only that they lack the certifications specified by FCA and ZF.

Best,

Ignorance and subterfuge is not attacking you. Disagreeing with you is not attacking you.

Someone asks the questions about the 8 speed and we recommend something and somehow the money we spent to be a vendor is negated because you don't like it Ritz? Come on. If you don't want to purchase something from us then fine. Other than that, you have no dog in the fight!

We have been in business for 19 years and I have been in the industry for 39 years. We have over 100,000,000 customer driven miles on all our products. We are a known entity and not a just got into business last year type of thing. Google BND Automotive LLC .....you get 233,000 hits.

Google ACES IV Gasoline Formula and you get 248,000 hits. Google Quantum Blue Custom Blended Lubricants and you get 247,000 hits. If there were problems it would be all over the internet.......there aren't any!

If there has never been a failure on any vehicle with the designs we make including thousands of ZF 8 speeds including 8HP45, 8HP45 Type2, 845RE, 845RE Type 2, 8HP70, 8HP70D and 8HP90 then there is a very very high probability that there won't be any failures in the future....DUH!

When I say no failures it means that not one problem that has ever been found was attributed to the fluid! Did Andy in Hawaii have a 2014 5.7L Hemi V8 camshaft problem cracking in half during the warranty period and needing replacement happen.....yes. It was hydrogen embrittlement. They warrantied the camshaft and lifters and went on. We have never had a warranty failure and never been denied ever from any company....not just Chrysler!

I normally do not get involved divulging our formulates but in this case, I will:

Our QuantumBlue ZF 8 Speed Racing ATF consists of the following:


Petroluem High Temperature Type II+ Lubricating Oils C20-C50 CAS # 72623-87-1A 77%+

Distillates (petroleum), hydrotreated heavy naphthenic CAS# 64742-52-5 5%

Distillates (petroleum), hydrotreated heavy paraffinic Oil - CAS# 64742-54-7A 10%

Distillate compounds combined about 5%:
2-Calcium Sulfonate - Petroleum type 2-Methyl
2-Propenoic Acid CAS# 63150-07-2
Sulfonic acid CAS# 61789-86-4

(Hydrogenated tallow) bis(2-hydroxyethyl)amine - CAS:90367-28-5- 1%

2-Imino-4-thiobiuret - CAS# 2114-02-5 1%

Petroleum Red Dye .01%

This is an LV (low viscosity) designed ATF Racing fluid and is recommended for the following:

BMW - 83 22 0 142 516, 83 22 2152426, 83 22 0 397114/183 and 513

Chrysler -05127382AA, 68043742AA, 68157995AA and 68218925AA

Mercedes /Daimler - MB 236.3/5/6/7/8/9

Ford Mercon LV (1), Mercon SP(1)

General Motors Dexron -VI

Honda/Acura - DW-1

Hyundai/Kia NWS-9638 T-5, SP-IV/

Jaguar - Fluid 8432,

JASO - M315, Class 1A,

LAND ROVER - TYK5000050, LR0022460,

MASERATI 231603,

MAZDA - FZ,

MITSUBISHI - ATF-J,

NISSAN / INFINITY - Matic-S,

SAAB -93 165 147-AW-1

TOYOTA/LEXUS/SCION - TYPE WS

VOLKSWAGEN / AUDI - G 052 533; G055 005 (A/A2), G055 540 (A2), G 055 162 (A2/A6), G 060 162 (A1 /A2 /A6)

These are what this formulate we put together. It meets and EXCEEDS all of these!

Now prove it doesn't!:serious:

Brian
BND Automotive LLC:driving:
440-821-9040
www.bndautomotive.com
Forum Vendor for 10 years!

 

[Mangoman]

CE9311, ease up man I wasn't giving anyone any crap.


https://goo.gl/images/YuZg5P


So don't get upset sir.

 

[msv2015]

I’m with you Ritz, plus I just learned he’s the reason for the very existence of this forum.
So I’ll see your “always jumping in unwanted” and I’ll raise you “I’ve been supporting this forum so thank me very much”

 

[CE9311]

CE9311, ease up man I wasn't giving anyone any crap.


https://goo.gl/images/YuZg5P


So don't get upset sir.

That's the issue Mango, I return the exact type of attitude interpreted from your words and you get upset as well. I've discussed this before about how context may be lost and such. Perhaps you ment it towards Ritz who has a little bit more emotion in this than I do as I could careless about the fluid. I would imagine and assume it meets and further exceeds it just fine I just like to know how much does BND stand behind their fluids beyond "words". And honestly that hasn't been answered. If they do that's more than alot. If they do not offer any help in such case then that follows most aftermarket stuff and really does not mean anything bad IMO. Like my B&M Trans Pan. I'm sure I read they hold no responsibility to anything that goes wrong after installation as it is left up to the installer and owner to weigh the benefits and risks.

 

[Mangoman]

CE9311, How much does ANY fluid manufacturer stand behind their products? Do you guys ask these same questions to a rep from Pennzoil or Mobil 1? If not why not?

Brian just posted the specs and I believe it isn't the first time he has done so. And would you looky there they meet or exceed the specs required by Mopar.

So as someone famous once said "what the problem is?"

P.S. You've received from me the exact treatment you've given me, just as the meme says. If you do not like this treatment I suggest you alter yours. If you read more into my words then I write that isn't my fault. I would suggest that perhaps if your own attitude towards others wasn't so poor and confrontational you wouldn't automatically assume that's how others replies are intended. A glass half empty view of the world isn't the best way for it to be viewed.

 

[Mangoman]

So Brian just posted the specs that his fluid meets/exceeds.

Mr.Ritz we await your expert laboratory results that contridict Brian.

You aren't just posting libelous comments with no proof are you? Even you must know better then that!

Thank you.

 

[370 HEMI]

I’m with you Ritz, plus I just learned he’s the reason for the very existence of this forum.
So I’ll see your “always jumping in unwanted” and I’ll raise you “I’ve been supporting this forum so thank me very much”

Our posts may be unwanted by some and yet appreciated by so many more who don't want to be shouted down when they purchase from us.

Brian

 

[CE9311]

CE9311, How much does ANY fluid manufacturer stand behind their products? Do you guys ask these same questions to a rep from Pennzoil or Mobil 1? If not why not?

If I meet one I would id I had a car under warranty. Then again I would most likely use certified or approved fluids. These guys have it on the bottle. That's the idea that it meets it and FCA would have hard time arguing with it.


Brian just posted the specs and I believe it isn't the first time he has done so. And would you looky there they meet or exceed the specs required by Mopar.


How do you know the meet or exceed? I don't see a comparison of FCA fluid? I could careless as this is not my question.




So as someone famous once said "what the problem is?"


P.S. You've received from me the exact treatment you've given me, just as the meme says. If you do not like this treatment I suggest you alter yours. If you read more into my words then I write that isn't my fault. I would suggest that perhaps if your own attitude towards others wasn't so poor and confrontational you wouldn't automatically assume that's how others replies are intended. A glass half empty view of the world isn't the best way for it to be viewed.

From the very first you have been belittling of others and calling them kids in these type discussions. You can take that high horse all you want but I'll call you out with the rest of us that you so easily call out. I've tried writing nice and you always get bit ill tempered and read into what fits your needs. I wrote quite nicely the first time about fluids you found in shelves with the labeling/certifications in relation to his lack of same and you completely disregarded in repsonse exclaiming in a sarcastic if not smartass tone NONE SHOULD BE USED< DON'T OPEN YOUR HOOD FOLKS. OMG.



If you had spent time in parts store you would also know and had people ask you about correct fluid and people worried about their warranty and what label means what. I only spent 3 years doing it and I know this was a weekly question and I did my best to answer them correctly.





From this discussion and lack of direct answer It seems, Like most aftermarket items, BND does not offer or take responsibility of any failures that may happen in use of its fluid and is not legally liable to represent or assist any persons using said fluid in litigation of a warranty claim. This is not a bad thing in any way as most items carry same idea.

 

[370 HEMI]

Ignorance and subterfuge is not attacking you. Disagreeing with you is not attacking you.

Someone asks the questions about the 8 speed and we recommend something and somehow the money we spent to be a vendor is negated because you don't like it Ritz? Come on. If you don't want to purchase something from us then fine. Other than that, you have no dog in the fight!

We have been in business for 19 years and I have been in the industry for 39 years. We have over 100,000,000 customer driven miles on all our products. We are a known entity and not a just got into business last year type of thing. Google BND Automotive LLC .....you get 233,000 hits.

Google ACES IV Gasoline Formula and you get 248,000 hits. Google Quantum Blue Custom Blended Lubricants and you get 247,000 hits. If there were problems it would be all over the internet.......there aren't any!

If there has never been a failure on any vehicle with the designs we make including thousands of ZF 8 speeds including 8HP45, 8HP45 Type2, 845RE, 845RE Type 2, 8HP70, 8HP70D and 8HP90 then there is a very very high probability that there won't be any failures in the future....DUH!

When I say no failures it means that not one problem that has ever been found was attributed to the fluid! Did Andy in Hawaii have a 2014 5.7L Hemi V8 camshaft problem cracking in half during the warranty period and needing replacement happen.....yes. It was hydrogen embrittlement. They warrantied the camshaft and lifters and went on. We have never had a warranty failure and never been denied ever from any company....not just Chrysler!

I normally do not get involved divulging our formulates but in this case, I will:

Our QuantumBlue ZF 8 Speed Racing ATF consists of the following:


Petroluem High Temperature Type II+ Lubricating Oils C20-C50 CAS # 72623-87-1A 77%+

Distillates (petroleum), hydrotreated heavy naphthenic CAS# 64742-52-5 5%

Distillates (petroleum), hydrotreated heavy paraffinic Oil - CAS# 64742-54-7A 10%

Distillate compounds combined about 5%:
2-Calcium Sulfonate - Petroleum type 2-Methyl
2-Propenoic Acid CAS# 63150-07-2
Sulfonic acid CAS# 61789-86-4

(Hydrogenated tallow) bis(2-hydroxyethyl)amine - CAS:90367-28-5- 1%

2-Imino-4-thiobiuret - CAS# 2114-02-5 1%

Petroleum Red Dye .01%

This is an LV (low viscosity) designed ATF Racing fluid and is recommended for the following:

BMW - 83 22 0 142 516, 83 22 2152426, 83 22 0 397114/183 and 513

Chrysler -05127382AA, 68043742AA, 68157995AA and 68218925AA

Mercedes /Daimler - MB 236.3/5/6/7/8/9

Ford Mercon LV (1), Mercon SP(1)

General Motors Dexron -VI

Honda/Acura - DW-1

Hyundai/Kia NWS-9638 T-5, SP-IV/

Jaguar - Fluid 8432,

JASO - M315, Class 1A,

LAND ROVER - TYK5000050, LR0022460,

MASERATI 231603,

MAZDA - FZ,

MITSUBISHI - ATF-J,

NISSAN / INFINITY - Matic-S,

SAAB -93 165 147-AW-1

TOYOTA/LEXUS/SCION - TYPE WS

VOLKSWAGEN / AUDI - G 052 533; G055 005 (A/A2), G055 540 (A2), G 055 162 (A2/A6), G 060 162 (A1 /A2 /A6)

These are what this formulate we put together. It meets and EXCEEDS all of these!

Now prove it doesn't!:serious:

Brian
BND Automotive LLC:driving:
440-821-9040
www.bndautomotive.com
Forum Vendor for 10 years!

I forgot to post the SDS sheet for the 8 & 9 speed fluid:

or Equivalent means Equivalent and QuantumBlue ZF 8 Speed Racing ATF is equivalent.


Regards,
Brian
BND Automotive LLC
440-821-9040
www.bndautomotive.com
Forum Vendor for 10 years.