It is in my book.....however, everyone see's things differently.

 

Of course it is silly

 

For sure:bigthumb:

 

Modern muscle.

 

As long as you aren't one of those people that needs a muscle car to have two doors then you're all set.

 

yes, imho it is.

 

i think it is.
My general idea would also be a car (not matter 2/4/hatchback/wagon....) that has a relatively aggressive looking exterior.
Of course it is up to the owner's choice if (s)he would like to go one step further making it does things more "muscle". Maybe some sort of strong acceleration/speed/blah blah blah.

just my $.02

Shawn

 

IMO... Big car + Big engine = Muscle Car

345 is big enough for me at least for now. That 410 stroker kit is lookin' pretty sexy though.

 

Yes it is as far as I am concerned. I am old enough to remember the original Muscle Cars, and can drive my 1969 Charger 383 4bbl Charger anytime for a comparison if I get fuzzy! LOL.

It is like clubbing baby seals!! My 06 SRT8 will run with the best of the old muscle cars and out handle and out brake them!
Best of 13.01 @ 108.25 mph.

1970 Hemi Cuda Automatic 4:10:1 Dana - 13.10 @ 107.34 mph

1969 Hemi Plymouth GTX 4 speed with a 4:10 Dana - 13.5 @ 105 mph - The Boss it was called.

1969 Plymouth GTX 440 Magnum 4 bbl Automatic with 3:91:1 8-3/4 rear differential - 13.7 @ 105 mph

1969 Dodge Charger R/T 440 Magnum 4bbl Automatic with 3:55:1 8-3/4 rear differential - 13.9 @ 101.9 mph.

1969 Dodge Charger 383 4bbl Automatic 3:91:1 rear differential 15:14 @ 92 mph.

YES THE NEW ONES ARE MUSCLE CARS - A 4 door Muscle Car..:beerchug:

There!

Regards,
Brian
BND Automotive LLC:driving:
440-821-9040

 

Yeah, today's family sedans can toast a 383 or 390 from the old days.

However, it took 30 years of evolution to get back to those speeds. the late 70s-mid 80s were some absolute slugs. You had Corvettes that couldn't touch 15 seconds in the 1/4 mile. Ferraris that took 8 seconds to get to 60.

 

Pretty much any car with more motor and power than is necessary can be defined as a muscle car. It has nothing to do with looks. It has to do with power and what the car is capable of. In that respect I believe that an SE or SXT is not a muscle car but an R/T or SRT is.

 

I agree, but I'd like to expand upon that if I may.

"Muscle" isn't about power. It's about how you get that power. A 2L super-optimized engine with turbo, that gets up to 9,000 RPMs then launches a 2,000lb car... that's not muscle. A 5L engine that drags a 4,000lb monster down the track and red-lines down around 6,000 RPMs, giving the light car a run for its money without modding? That's muscle. The 5.7L engine has plenty of headroom for more, more, more power. That fundamental platform is about to be released as the 6.4L HEMI, and you betcha there'll be superchargers available for it.

The R/T and above don't need gimmicks to be monsters. They just are to start with.

I think of it like this... there are two ways to be powerful.

This. 700hp at 7,800 RPMs. 527 torque.

And this. 200-400hp at 2,500 RPMs. 1,000+ torque.

The second one is the embodiment of muscle. We resemble the latter, not the former.

 

I think it does! but it's kinda nice to smoke a 2-door in a 4-door!

 

I think srt8 are muscle cars and r/t are just watered down versions until people add power to them. V6s are sports cars but nothing muscle about them.

 

I think it's a muscle car. I'm not one of those people that think that you need 2 doors to be a muscle car either. I don't know many people that complained about the 94-96 Impala SS being 4 doors, quite the opposite. it's one of the most revered modern muscle cars around.

 

So by all these definitions the Pontiac GB is a muscle car all the way. I know the GTO is but it is just hard for me to get there on muscling the GB

 

I believe you mean the G8. Yes, it too is a Muscle Car with 4 doors.

What did Nissan say years ago 4DSC = 4 door sports car.

LOL

Regards,
Brian

 

Well, sounds like you have your answer.

Muscle is all over these cars, stock and modified stock. To me, growing up in the 60s & 70s, "HEMI" meant "muscle", everyone wanted to have one in whatever they were driving.

When I sit in a car this size and stomp on the gas and I can't effortlessly pull my head off the headrest, that's muscle. IMHO.

 

What about a blown V6?

What about the Ford Taurus SHO - it's 365 hp, but it's a blown V6. Is muscle defined by V8's only?

 

What about the Ford Taurus SHO - it's 365 hp, but it's a blown V6. Is muscle defined by V8's only?

Not necessarily v8 (and above). As I said, it depends on how the power is derived. In my personal opinion, if you're not muscle before you're blown, you're not muscle. To me that's one of the key points... muscle tends to have plenty of head-room to increase power. Fast engines that aren't muscle are generally already highly tuned and optimized. There's no head-room.

 

IMO..........times are changing and so is technology...........in no way is a Ford Taurus SHO a "Muscle car", that is simply a fast modern car up to par with modern technology. is the cadillac CTS-V a muscle car?..............NO.............another case of a fast car in modern times..........Is a dodge charger v6 a muscle car?.........Not in my opinion, its a standard 4 door sedan.............is my R/T Daytona a muscle car?...........IMO barely, and thats mainly due to the throwback retro color and muscle car image it has, combined with the 5.7............Is a standard R/T?..............same as my Daytona basing "Muscle car" classification on the powertrain point of view, but it deff doesnt scream muscle image wise like a Daytona does........is the SRT?............IMO yes

 

So because it's an SRT with a 6.1 V8 it's a muscle car------>I look at it as anything with a V8 motor and room to expand is a muscle car. cause a stock SRT is only getting 320-330 RWHP and a stock R/T is at 270-290 RWHP that's only a gap of 50 RWHP or so! bolt-on's can change that! If you go down my line with 525 RWHP on an R/T and it doesn't scream MUSCLE than line up that SRT with me.

 

My car is a 4-door family sedan that shares a chassis with this:

Check out the E Class interior - look familiar?

I cannot look anyone in the face and call my car a "muscle car" knowing that it is basically a Mercedes with a Mexican V8 engine.

EDIT: Here's the station wagon version of the E Class . . . what does this look like?

 

My car is a 4-door family sedan that shares a chassis with this:
Check out the E Class interior - look familiar?
I cannot look anyone in the face and call my car a "muscle car" knowing that it is basically a Mercedes with a Mexican V8 engine.
EDIT: Here's the station wagon version of the E Class . . . what does this look like?

Does this mean our cars are *******?
:lol3005:

 

Hast du ein taco in die glove box?

 

NICE!! :beerchug:

Yo quiero sauerkraut!!

 

I've always liked this definition for a muscle car...

"American made automobile with 12 lbs or less body weight per 1 horsepower."

That means any Charger over 350 hp qualifies.

3000 lb car needs to be at least 250 hp

3500 lb car needs to be at least 292 hp

4000 lb car needs to be at least 334 hp

4200 lb car (Charger class) needs to be at least 350 hp

 

Just one problem. Caliber SRT4. 285hp. 3,052lb.

I just can't call a car with a 2.4L turbocharged engine "muscle".

 

When I look at my car, I think 'muscle car' it looks mean, oversized, powerful... to me, the dodge charger is the epitome of the modern muscle car.

 

You can't beat the combination of German engineering and cheap labor.

 

I totally think the new Taurus SHO is a muscle car, even with a twin turbo V6.

Buick Grand National/GNX anyone? is there anyone that doesn't consider those cars muscle cars?

 

My .02

The SRT8 = something special for a reasonably priced sedan. Now it's 2010 the competition has caught up. Time again to set the standards

R/T = Muscle car nothing more, nothing less

3.5L = A good product compared to most cars.

SE, never driven one, no clue.

I'm not looking this up again:bigthumb: Google 0-60 times they also list the 1/4 times. Figure even compared to some of those cars the Charger is pretty heavy.

 

Hell yea! It's got a hemi doesnt it!