[R/Tdrvr]

You ARE Batman.:beer_yum:

No. I can never be that cool. But that's just how strong I feel about the subject, and how much I care for those I love.

 

[thumper07]

I hope you are joking and not actually that misguided. Obviously we all die, but most of us would like to have it be from old age and not some ass running head-on into us.

You guys keep misunderstanding what I'm saying.

Let me try one more time.

Let's pretend there are only 6 people on the entire planet, for explanation purposes only.

Remember this is a very simplistic example.

Pretend now that the environment's carrying capacity is 5.

As a result, disease outbreaks start occurring and starvation sets in because there is one to many people.

A little boy is out fishing on a boat. It flips over and he is beginning to drown. If he does, 5 people will remain. But somebody jumps in the water and saves him.

Now there is still 6 people. 1 to many.

A young lady now goes to the other side of the island to look for food and catches a bad disease and dies as a result.

So, the boy was saved from drowning. But that caused the young girl to die.

Saving one causes another's death.

This is the simple version of how ecological carrying capacities work. Biology 101, if any of you remember.

What happens when there are to many deer in a given area?

Starvation, disease, XTRA HUNTERS (predators).

It happens and there's nothing we can do about it. Believe it if you want to or don't believe it. That's everybody's choice. But it IS a fact of life and is indisputable.

 

[a14umbra]

You guys keep misunderstanding what I'm saying.

Let me try one more time.

Let's pretend there are only 6 people on the entire planet, for explanation purposes only.

Remember this is a very simplistic example.

Pretend now that the environment's carrying capacity is 5.

As a result, disease outbreaks start occurring and starvation sets in because there is one to many people.

A little boy is out fishing on a boat. It flips over and he is beginning to drown. If he does, 5 people will remain. But somebody jumps in the water and saves him.

Now there is still 6 people. 1 to many.

A young lady now goes to the other side of the island to look for food and catches a bad disease and dies as a result.

So, the boy was saved from drowning. But that caused the young girl to die.

Saving one causes another's death.

This is the simple version of how ecological carrying capacities work. Biology 101, if any of you remember.

What happens when there are to many deer in a given area?

Starvation, disease, XTRA HUNTERS (predators).

It happens and there's nothing we can do about it. Believe it if you want to or don't believe it. That's everybody's choice. But it IS a fact of life and is indisputable.

Your premise is not a FACT it's a THEORY. You need to understand the difference.

Street racing is not an enviromental factor. Believe it if you want to or don't believe it. That's everybody's choice. But it IS a fact of life and is indisputable.

 

[thumper07]

A theory is an educated guess. God is not even a theory, yet look at all the people who believe. I'm not a biology major but carrying capacities are proven, but still subject to scrutiny. Just as global warming and greenhouse gases are.

Again, my comments have NOTHING to do with street racing at all. Nothing. None. Nada. Zilch.

Ask any biology major about carrying capacity and they will not say it's a theory. Just like if you ask the Pope if their's a God.

 

[a14umbra]

A theory is an educated guess. God is not even a theory, yet look at all the people who believe. I'm not a biology major but carrying capacities are proven, but still subject to scrutiny. Just as global warming and greenhouse gases are.

Again, my comments have NOTHING to do with street racing at all. Nothing. None. Nada. Zilch.

Ask any biology major about carrying capacity and they will not say it's a theory. Just like if you ask the Pope if their's a God.

That's because today's "science" is a religion. It's based on consensus, not facts.

My point is that carrying capacities are enviromentally limiting factors and street racing is not, so you can't apply that theory to this thread, as you tried to do.

 

[WitchyWndy]

Your premise is not a FACT it's a THEORY. You need to understand the difference.

Street racing is not an environmental factor. Believe it if you want to or don't believe it. That's everybody's choice. But it IS a fact of life and is indisputable.

X2......

Street racing is a choice, plain and simple. The person undertaking it is risking their own life and the lives of others. It has nothing to do with pre-destiny.. etc... as Thumper is eluding too. That thinking is just, well.... go have another beer and is as silly as comparing road-racing deaths to killing the over-population of deer.... :slap:

 

[rexus31]

Again, my comments have NOTHING to do with street racing at all. Nothing. None. Nada. Zilch.

You posted this theory in a thread about street racing on an automotive enthusiasts' website. Now you are retracting your statements citing they have nothing to do with street racing? Being as your statements, according to you, are not pertinent to the thread, let's get back to the topic at hand: opinions on street racing.

 

[TopBanana107]

Allow me to put my .02 into the mix...

We are all different people and will have differring views...while one may agree with another, not all will agree with one...

In essence, I believe what Thumper is saying is exactly what it is...the truth. Others will disagree with us...

While we may not be the ones racing, it may still kill us, and even if we were never to drive on the roads again (because of these crazy racers)...we may get killed walking down the sidewalk...maybe not by a car, but by a bolt of lightning...sure lightning is natural but had we been driving in our car, we would not have been hit by that bolt of lightning. Was it your time to go...yes. I believe that we all have an expiry date, except we don't know when it is... In my culture, we are taught that every person is born with a bundle of sticks next to him, and that bundle represents how long that person will live. Yes, some people are born with small bundles...but they come in to this world and leave it quickly...as they have accomplished what was given to them to do before being called back into the spirit world. I also believe that we were given what we have today to see how long it takes us to destroy ourselves or to use it for the greater good. Unfortunately, we are killing ourselves...or is it unfortunate?

Could you imagine if all the money spent on war was diverted to saving millions upon millions of people every year...the world would soon be waaaaaaaaaaaaaay overpopulated (it already is)...and what would happen? STARVATION, DISEASE... we would wipe ourselves out. Medical advances are a double edged sword...yes, it may save your loved...but it is contributing to the world's overpopulation. A long time ago, people were dying of 'old age' right? Were they really? Maybe they died of cancer, but no one had a way of knowing...so they said that that person died of old age. Whatever was wrong with someone dying of 'old age'? Now, everyone and their neighbor is afraid of dying of cancer. I believe that the stress associated with this worrying will kill you long before the cancer does...or it will certainly accelerate how easy the cancer ravages through one's body...but hey, they have chemo/radiation for that, so you'll be ok.

The world can only support 1 billion people...what are we at now? 6 billion? The world needed 1870 years to reach it's first billion people but only 60 years to reach it's second. 30 more to reach it's 3rd...

'Accidents' have always happened, and always will...just the way they happen has changed. I had buddies die from drunk drivers, or die by driving drunk...nothing I could do about that. Life IS about choices...some smart, some not so smart.

In the end, what is really important? Cherishing the time you get to spend with your loved ones because you never know when 'accidents' will happen...

 

[a14umbra]

This is my biggest fear. Usually on Friday and Saturday nights I can hear crotch rockets and ricers hauling a$$ on the major street just a 1/2 mile from my house. Cars are always speeding up and down my street just because it one of a few without big speed bumps. But I will say this here and now. If some street racing idiot kills someone I love, they better die too or be on the next rocket off this planet, because I WILL come after them. No remorse.

The problem with most street racers is that there is the attitude that "nothing bad will ever happen to me." Give me a break.

I just wanted to re-quote the most sensible post in this thread today.

 

[BigBlackRT08]

Ahhhh... I seee, nature allowed cars to be invented to cut the population down because too many people were being born. Then the solar winds made people drive stupid so some guy would be afraid to drive and stay home resulting in him dying of a heart attack on his sofa! I totally see how this relates to how we feel about street racing. Thanks everyone.

 

[BigBlackRT08]

Fate will get you, and if I decide to tempt Fate I make sure I impact other people as little as possible if at all. I don't want other people doing it for me just so they can have a thrill. If your gonna put my life at risk for your fun you better hope I die cause if I don't...

Umm...

 

[ScottsParts]

ive never had the urge to race. never will. take it to the track. this is the best thread made yet.

there are too many stories on yahoo about civilians dieing because of idiots.

 

[wickedchargerrt]

are you kidding me? its okay to street race cause people are gonna die anyway? wtf
sure you street racers can die, we'll all point and laugh. its the ones that kill innocent people where we have no recourse after the fact.
so let me get this straight. You guys are out racing on the street, come up on my car, noone wants to let off the brakes cause hell then they'll lose, so you ram into the back of my car ejecting my 2 year old out the windshield car seat and all? and you say thats ok, its just fate? Please please tell me thats how you feel

 

[BigBlackRT08]

are you kidding me? its okay to street race cause people are gonna die anyway? wtf
sure you street racers can die, we'll all point and laugh. its the ones that kill innocent people where we have no recourse after the fact.
so let me get this straight. You guys are out racing on the street, come up on my car, noone wants to let off the brakes cause hell then they'll lose, so you ram into the back of my car ejecting my 2 year old out the windshield car seat and all? and you say thats ok, its just fate? Please please tell me thats how you feel

Yup, some posters are saying that if you don't die from getting rammed by an Idiot you and your kid are still gonna die of something so why sweat it? UNBELIEVABLE! :scratchhead:

 

[wickedchargerrt]

ya, i just want them to say that to my post (as close to my face as possible) I want someone on this forum to tell my its okay for my son and the family members of all my friends on this forum to die because they want to have a 2 second adrenaline rush. I want to know that my sons life is worth jack ship, in comparision to them beating a 15 year old in a multi colored honda with a wing bigger than an f 117a and finding that more honorable then saving a kids life.

 

[R/Tdrvr]

Fate will get you, and if I decide to tempt Fate I make sure I impact other people as little as possible if at all. I don't want other people doing it for me just so they can have a thrill. If your gonna put my life at risk for your fun you better hope I die cause if I don't

Umm...

That one's good too man. :bigthumb:

 

[BigBlackRT08]

I just wanted to show ya I agree 110%. This thread has made blood shoot out of my eyes.

 

[TopBanana107]

Listen here guys...I'm not advocating street racing, and I sense that some of you are going to, again, misunderstand what some of us are actually trying to say... life is going to happen (or death, or whatever you want to believe)...that IS what happens. Do I feel sorry for the arse that kills himself? No. However, I will never EVER say that he deserved to die. Sometimes people make GOOD choices, sometimes they make NOT SO GOOD choices... I always send a prayer to the families of those who kill themselves and to the fmailies of those who were killed by others. That is all I can do. When I see people speeding by me and even sometimes cutting me off somehwat, I pray that they make it to where they are going safely...and maybe there is a purpose to what they are doing...maybe a loved one is dying in the hospital (how do I know either way?) ... sure it's not street racing but the same outcome can happen in that situation. I used to get mad and pissed off, and so angry that I stayed that way for hours...why for? I was not hurting anyone but myself... Now, I let it go...and I APPRECIATE AND CHERISH THE TIME I GET TO SPEND WITH MY LOVED ONES. That is all I can do. I can't take justice into my own hands...

 

[BigBlackRT08]

I think everyone here realizes accidents happen, but what has me (and some others I think) angry is the people who knowingly and irresponsibly raise the odds so hey can feel good about themselves or have a brief thrill. I understand we're all gonna die.

 

[PlumCrazy1008]

I agree 100% with Anguish.

I also think Dave has a valid point, but cops always do this type of reporting.

They make a cocaine bust, and they always inflate the value of it. They take the amount of cocaine, assume it is also 'cut' with other products to dilute it, break it down to the smallest possible sellable amount, then calculate that out to get some absurd "street value".

It's like saying "I have this piece of sheet metal that is worth $80,000 (if I sold it as a Cadillac)".

-=FLEX=-

What was it Mark Twain said: "Lies, damn lies, and statistics." Or something to that effect.

Or more recently, my boss said: "Figures don't lie, but liars figure." I'm sure he got that somewhere, but the point is an interesting one: how often is the public presented with numbers that only appease those who do not think critically and ask further questions? And where are the answers?