[370 HEMI]

I got a '14 R/T Blacktop. Need to flush and replace my power steering fluid. I know the MS-11655 fluid is recommended since the car used the EHPS system. Dealership gave me MS-9602 fluid, which is basically regular fluid, and when I returned it, explained I needed fluid for the EHPS, they gave me MS-90030 electric power steering fluid and insisted it'll work, which I'm a bit skeptical about. Can anyone tell me if that fluid will work? Just want to know before I make the drive back to the dealership for the 3rd time this week.

We manufacture a high performance version of the EHPS System Fluid and have since 2011.

Here is the link.

http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159701

Most of you know that we at BND Automotive make all kinds of fluids for basically every system of your car.

Several people have posted about how well our QB Power Steering System Fluids work in the 05 to 10 LX and LC cars with typical power steering driven by the accessory belt.

However, most all of you don't know that we have been working on the 2011 and up LC, and LD cars with Electro Hydraulic Power Steering (EHPS) Systems which work by a completely different system and principle!

Remember that the EHPS systems are really a boon for fuel economy (about 1.5% increase) because electro hydraulic power steering systems deliver power by an electric motor and not the engine directly. This means that the engine load does not change as the power is being delivered by the battery and steering motor.

Also the electric motor is operated and controlled by the ECU unit which controls the motor very precisely by accurately monitoring the steering force, vehicle speed and steering angle. This added intelligence makes the system very comfortable to drive and improves the handling & feel to a certain extent.

The disadvantage is that the volume of fluid is greatly reduced and with the rigors of the LC and LD cars....and how we drive them, it is really important to make sure that the fluid will be able to withstand the high performance use that we ultimately put the cars through. The STP (Super Trak Pak) cars have a 13.5 to 1 ratio and really heat the fluid during performance use!

The standard for this fluid is different than the other LX cars from the past in that the old standard was MS-9602. The new standard is MS-11655.

We have studied the system for almost 3 years and have now produced a fluid that far exceeds the OEM capabilities with the QuantumBlue Steering System Fluid for MS-11655 for use in EHPS systems. Higher heat capabilities, smoother operation, and dissipates heat much quicker as well while lubricating the system and protecting the seals and preventing centering bushing scrub. No more whining or growling in low speed operation!

The system componentry consists of the following:

• Steering Column

• Rack and Pinion Steering Gear

• Electro Hydraulic Power Steering Pump (EHPS)

• Return and Pressure Hoses

• and a Reservoir integrated with EHPS pump

As many of you know, we work to provide aftermarket fluids that exceed the OEM fluids and this includes this new electro hydraulic power steering.

We now have a QuantumBlue Ultra High Performance Electro Hydraulic Power Steering Fluid that exceeds the standard of MS-11655. Mopar requires this type of fluid or equivalent. We make a fluid that is more than equivalent.

It comes in a one pint or 16 fluid oz container and can be introduced into the steering gear via the wheel well.

There is a special procedure that needs to be followed to check the level and also a specific bleeding procedure as well.

The QuantumBlue 1 pint steering system Fluid runs $39.95 each and contains the QuantumBlue Catalyst. Just shake and go.
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It helps to understand what you have before you can take better care of it.

Regards,
Brian
BND Automotive LLC:driving:
440-821-9040
www.bndautomotive.com

 

[370 HEMI]

Sorry all for the late reply. Managed to get the proper fluid from Morris 4x4 online, and succesfully flushed and replaced the fluid. My car would make a bit of a grinding noise and the steering would stiffen up when turning left. Fluid change eliminated about 80% of the problem (still get the noise on awkward or really hard left turns). Thanks for taking the time to answer. Attached photo is the old fluid. New fluid is lighter than vegetable oil in color.

So what you bought is the Mopar 68088485AB fluid? That doesn't provide the lubricity that is necessary in these units. 80% is fine but will come back again and progressively get worse. What you need is the proper lubricity in the fluid along with the anti-wear and conditioners we add to the QuantumBlue EHPS Fluid. Sorry we couldn't help you this time.

Maybe look at what you did as a flush for the old fluid and then give us a call in 5,000 miles or so.

Regards,
Brian
BND Automotive LLC:driving:
440-821-9040
www.bndautomotive.com

 

[370 HEMI]

I just did this pump flush over the last weekend with Mopar ATF+4, and it fixed all my issues with steering, noises gone, resistance gone. I was experiencing the same things you were while trying to turn left.

I hope you didn't put ATF+4 in your EHPS System!! ATF+4 is an MS-9602 fluid and the EHPS is an MS-11655 fluid. The ATF+4 is wrong for this application!:serious:

Regards,
Brian
BND Automotive LLC:driving:
440-821-9040
www.bndautomotive.com

 

[370 HEMI]

I have a 13 Charger police 5.7, and I went and check the owners manual again, and it states to use ATF+4. I thought I might have read it wrong, but when I went to double check it, it says ATF+4, page 105

https://www.dodge.com/download/pdf/...th.pdf?myyear_ug=19&myvehicle_ug=4&o-download-button.x=34&o-download-button.y=7

I have never seen it before, but if you have a front reservoir then you would use ATF+4 type fluid but don't like the friction modifiers in the fluid that really don't belong in a steering system only in the trans.

However, if you DO have the EHPS with the small reservoir on the rack by the firewall, then screw what the manual tells you, it needs to be the MS-11655 fluid and not ATF+4. ALL of the EHPS needs the MS-11655 fluid.

As you saw earlier in our post, we make the MS-11655 but a much more high performance version and has anti-wear and anti-friction compounds that no MS-11655 fluid has.

Double check. If your system looks like the picture we posted you need the right fluid.

Regards,
Brian
BND Automotive LLC:driving:
440-821-9040
www.bndautomotive.com

 

[370 HEMI]

Anyone know if this an equivalent fluid to the MS-11655 fluid? It says it works with 2012 Charger 5.7 but want to make sure before buying it.

Lubegard 1 Quart Synthetic Power Steering Fluid
Part # 23232 Line: LBG
https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/...tic-power-steering-fluid/23232/4409951/2012/dodge/charger?pos=0#compare=4409951

This is the wrong fluid material for your EHPS as it is a universal fluid not specific for your EHPS.. The MS-11655 is a specific fluid that is a para-synthetic fluid and really picky on seals. The electro-hydraulic system has unique seals that can't be fooled with or you will leak the fluid out and have a $1000 dollar reason to be unhappy.

Why not get our 16 oz. of correct High Performance QuantumBlue MS-11655 fluid and not worry about it + better performance than OEM.

Regards,
Brian
BND Automotive LLC:driving:
440-821-9040
www.bndautomotive.com
Forum vendor for 9 years!

 

[370 HEMI]

How soon can I get this in my hands 85249 zip code?

While parking This morning at work, I turned the wheel and I heard a pop. The #2 50 amp power steering fuse was blown. The #1 50 amp fuse was still good.

I figure it’s time to flush all the old steering fluid and see if that helps.

Normal shipping is 3-4 days according to FedEx days ship chart

Next day and second day is possible too.

We have the raws in stock and can ship today yet. :bigthumb:

LMK

Regards,

Brian
440-821-9040
BND Automotive LLC:driving:
www.bndautomotive.com
Forum Vendor for 9 years!

 

[370 HEMI]

How soon can I get this in my hands 85249 zip code?

While parking This morning at work, I turned the wheel and I heard a pop. The #2 50 amp power steering fuse was blown. The #1 50 amp fuse was still good.

I figure it’s time to flush all the old steering fluid and see if that helps.

Thank you for the order Desert Snake. It will be shipping out today for you and you will have a tracking number from FedEx Tonight. :bigthumb:

Regards,
Brian
BND Automotive LLC
440-821-9040
www.bndautomotive.com
Forum Vendor for 9 years!

 

[370 HEMI]

After Flushing out the old power steering fluid which was very dark and black and refilling it with the fluid from BND Automotive from 370 HEMI, I'm very happy to report that all my notchy steering issues are GONE! I was skeptical that a fluid flush and this new fluid would resolve all my notchy binding steering issues, but to my surprise it did and my steering feels brand new. So much for the Dodge Dealer claiming I needed a completely new Steering Rack for over $800. Thank you Brian!

Desert Snake,

Thank you for taking the time to update us here on the forum with regards to the EHPS steering system. I know when we talked I had suggested that this was the easiest thing to do first before you went to the expensive route of replacing the rack. :bigthumb:

While I will agree that what Ritz has to say that changing the fluid in any system with new fluid would make things better, it is the combination of our high temp fluid designed specifically for these units along with the QuantumBlue Steering System Lubricant Catalyst blended into the mix that really makes the difference as well. We formulated this material to give lubricity in a much greater degree than just the fluid by itself.

Just remember, if you like the steering system fluid we made, just wait till you get your other fluids replaced with our technologies! :bigthumb:

Regards,
Brian
BND Automotive LLC:driving:
440-821-9040
www.bndautomotive.com
Forum Vendor for 9 years!