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Chrysler laying off workers, begging for tax $ & paying millions in bonuses to execs

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#1 ·
Chrysler laying off workers, begging for tax $ & paying millions in bonuses to execs

in the words expressed by Flex, this is just bad form.

Anger doesn't even begin to describe my feelings, and my job is directly related to an OEM. Congress is not going to take this lightly, there's already an overwhelming belief the auto business is broken and any bailout and/or loan is not going to help the business. This could quite frankly be the straw that makes congress just say no.

Here's the whole story
http://www.freep.com/article/20081113/BUSINESS01/311130002
Chrysler execs get millions to stay put
Automaker defends payouts amid looming bailout talks

BY TOM WALSH and TIM HIGGINS • FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITERS •

As Detroit's crumbling auto industry asks Congress for a bailout, Chrysler is in the awkward position of paying about $30 million in retention bonuses to keep top executives while the company cuts thousands of jobs.
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Chrysler owes the bonuses under its contracts with about 50 executives, based on a retention incentive plan crafted early last year by former German parent DaimlerChrysler, when it was preparing to sell the Chrysler unit.

Nancy Rae, Chrysler executive vice president for human resources and communications, said the move made sense at the time to ensure potential buyers that key Chrysler executives would remain in place after a sale. She acknowledged that the bonuses could be seen as controversial now.

"We all would be smarter if we knew what we know now back in February of '07," she said. "Probably a lot of different decisions would be made."

Chief executives of Chrysler LLC, General Motors Corp. and Ford Motor Co. are expected to testify next week before a House committee on a proposal for $25 billion in low-cost government loans to help keep the companies afloat. Any aid is expected to come with limits on executive pay and bonuses. It is unclear whether those conditions would affect existing bonus plans -- Chrysler's was hatched around April 2007 -- or merely limit future bonuses and golden parachutes.

Retention bonus plans are fairly common in volatile times and at troubled companies that are straining to attract and retain top talent.

But they have been controversial in recent automotive industry bankruptcy cases involving suppliers Delphi Corp. of Troy and Toledo-based Dana Holding Corp. A 2005 change in U.S. bankruptcy laws forbade the payment of retention bonuses to executives just for staying at a company while it's in bankruptcy proceedings.

Documents obtained by the Free Press show that at least six Chrysler executives are due to receive bonuses of more than $1 million apiece to stay through August 2009, the two-year anniversary mark of when private equity firm Cerberus Capital Management bought an 80.1% stake in Chrysler.

Those promised the largest retention bonuses:

• Frank Ewasyshyn, executive vice president, manufacturing, $1.89 million.

• Frank Klegon, executive vice president, product development, $1.8 million.

• Rae, $1.66 million.

• Simon Boag, president, Mopar/global service and parts, $1.65 million.

• Steven Landry, executive vice president, North American sales, $1.63 million.

• Michael Manley, executive vice president, international sales, marketing and business development, $1.53 million.

The bonus sizes ranged from a high of Ewasyshyn's $1.89 million down to $200,000. The agreements provided for payments of 25% of the bonuses in February 2008 -- which were made on schedule -- and for the remaining 75% to be paid in August 2009.
Promise of a smooth transition

In an interview this week, Rae said Daimler considered it necessary to develop the plan because potential buyers wanted assurance of a smooth transition.

"These were very conservatively constructed," she said of the bonuses. "And keep in mind that it was Daimler doing it, Daimler selling the company and Daimler ensuring it was reasonable for a buyer. ... This was a Daimler program."

She added, "What was put in place at that time was very appropriate -- not only" as a "market practice but for the environment, the conditions of the company, the potential sale."

Peter Morici, a University of Maryland professor and former chief economist at the U.S. International Trade Commission, said he expects executive compensation to become a large issue during the debate over aid for the automakers. He questioned the need of retention bonuses for auto industry executives.

"Who are they going to work for?" he asked. "My feeling is they've run the companies into the ground."

John Challenger, a human resources expert with Challenger, Gray & Christmas in Chicago, acknowledged that such bonuses can be controversial but said companies see them as necessary to prevent loss of leadership during critical times.

"To get good people, the right people, then you often have to pay retention bonuses -- otherwise they just won't come or they won't stay," he said.

Rae said the Chrysler plan has succeeded in keeping talent in place.

"It's been very successful in these challenging times," Rae said.

With public support for helping auto companies weak, according to a Gallup poll, Congress has vowed to prevent big bonuses to executives as a condition of federal aid.

U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said Congress will push next week to expand the nation's $700-billion bailout of the financial industry, called the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, to include automakers.

The auto companies would face limits on executive pay and bans on so-called golden parachutes, which enrich departing executives, said Pelosi and U.S. Rep. Sander Levin, D-Mich.

"We're very much interested in making sure there is shared effort and shared sacrifice," Levin told the Free Press.

Levin said lawmakers discussed those provisions at a meeting last week in Washington with automotive Chief Executive Officers Rick Wagoner of GM, Alan Mulally for Ford and Bob Nardelli of Chrysler, as well as UAW President Ron Gettelfinger.

"Everyone said they fully understood that," Levin said.

U.S. Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, sent a letter Thursday to Wagoner, Mulally and Nardelli, urging them to trim executive compensation packages if they expect loan aid.

"They should take every step possible, including cutting executive salaries and bonuses, and exhaust all alternatives before coming to the taxpayers for tens of billions of dollars in help," Grassley said in a written statement.
Bailout regulations

The bailout legislation providing aid to troubled financial institutions requires that companies "meet appropriate standards for executive compensation and corporate governance." The rules prohibit new employment contracts with golden parachutes for executives of companies in which the Treasury takes an ownership position, but the language does not specifically address a retention bonus plan such as Chrysler's, in place before any federal aid is requested.

So far, the government has provided aid only to publicly owned companies. If federal aid is granted to Chrysler, a private company, questions will likely arise over how much internal information Chrysler would be required to disclose.

Rae said Chrysler stands ready to answer Congress' questions.

"We are very prepared to be transparent with the government," Rae said. "From what we understand, we're prepared to meet the same limitations that have been imposed on the other financial institutions that have been successful in receiving government money."

Labor unions have protested that company executives should not be unduly enriched when they are laying off workers and cutting the pay and benefits of lower-ranking employees.

The UAW could not be reached for comment Thursday.

Delphi, which has been in Chapter 11 bankruptcy since 2005, has drawn fire from labor officials for executive bonus plans that were approved by the bankruptcy court. Union leaders claimed, unsuccessfully, that they were tantamount to retention plans because they had easily reachable performance goals.

Since Daimler first announced in February 2007 that it was considering the sale of Chrysler, it has been a difficult stretch for the Auburn Hills automaker. Chrysler's U.S. sales this year have dropped further than any Detroit competitor -- down 26% through October.

Since February 2007, the automaker has announced the elimination of 34,000 jobs, including salaried, hourly and contract positions.
 
#3 ·
This could take Chrysler down. Not good in the economic climate and congress wont want to fund golden parachutes for these guys.
 
#4 ·
That's ridiculous! Makes me sick
 
#37 ·
I agree!

NO Exec should be making all the money they do, unless they OWN the company.

They need to severly cut all the money the execs are making, and give that money to the hard workers that actually do the work and make the products.
 
#5 ·
i say screw them, times have changed!!! what do you have to lose??? if they don't go, you're going broke anyhow so who cares!! if they do go.... you're saving the company a few million dollars!!!
 
#6 ·
Keep in mind this appears to be a contractual arrangement. BUT, the rationalizing that is going on is IMO, what all the OEM's suffer from in new car development and management. Congress and the US public is raw over the bonuses paid to the insurance company after they got bail out money.
 
#7 ·
I beginning to think the best thing may be bankruptcy (chapter 11).

The idiotic executive and union contracts could then be thrown out the window, and some sane agreements that actually better the company could be made. If the execs and workers couldn't agree on reasonable measures then the whole company would be sold off and none of them would have jobs to get their ridiculous payrates...

Of course, this chain reacts to the suppliers and dealers... but really is there anyone out there that doesn't think the american automaker's business models are completely and utterly broken? (Besides the stupid automakers that is)
 
#22 ·
I beginning to think the best thing may be bankruptcy (chapter 11).

Yep. No way will the Gov. bail out the auto makers. They are asking for $25 billion and that won't do anything for them. Pelosi will not get the bail out passed. The auto makers have dug the hole they are in long ago. Bankruptcy will be the only alternative.

I also knew that Cerebus hiring Nardeli to run ChryCo. was a bad choice from day one. Look what he did to Home Depot and Home Depot had to pay Nardeli $25 million to leave.

The idiotic executive and union contracts could then be thrown out the window, and some sane agreements that actually better the company could be made. If the execs and workers couldn't agree on reasonable measures then the whole company would be sold off and none of them would have jobs to get their ridiculous payrates...

Of course, this chain reacts to the suppliers and dealers... but really is there anyone out there that doesn't think the american automaker's business models are completely and utterly broken? (Besides the stupid automakers that is)
 
#8 ·
Executives should be paid based on how the company does, not this crap. And when you consider that Toyota and Honda pay their assembly workers between 30 and 40 and hr compared to the 70+ an hour that GM, Chrysler and Ford pay theirs, they need to file chapter 11 and start over. I sure don't want taxpayer's $ going to Chrysler, or any company for a bailout for that matter. Then they just come to expect a bailout every time they screw up.
 
#9 ·
I don't understand that... if these people are "top talent," why is the company near bankrupt. Seems to me "top talent" would be better than this.
 
#11 ·
Why can't those executives all agree to give up thier bonuses to help save the company and a few jobs. Oh, what, people don't think that way here. Sorry! :driving:
 
#12 ·
Good idea but it will never happen especially if this was written in there contract.

My question is who is the ASSH*OLE who wrote these contracts??

The company is on the verge of bancrupcy and there handing out bonuses and asking for my tax dollars for bailout.

FU*K YOU, this is the same type of sh*t the execs at Enron went to jail for!!!!!!

Looks like these guys are made of the same SCUM those AIG pr*cks are.
 
#15 ·
They're going to need top talent to help turn things around. I don't care if you brought Walter Chrysler back from the dead....there is no way to right the ship until the huge expense problems are alleviated. You will need top help after a reorganization.

The reality is that no top executives will come to Chrysler unless the pay is commensurate with the position. It sounds easy to just plug anyone in there, but it would be disastrous.

Imagine trying to recruit someone who might be talented enough to make a difference...no bonuses and mediocre pay to fix a company which is mortally wounded... good luck. Unless we are into a true depression and have executive talent in the soup lines, the best people won't jump in.
 
#18 ·
The uninformed need to stop blaming the union. We did not come up with the bussiness plan. We did not design or engineer the cars or parts. We do not buy the cheap parts put into the cars. We are not the ones saying ship it when quality defects are found. THAT IS ALL MANAGEMENT!!! The union has its problem children but the good workers far out number the bad. We make good money yes but are not millionaires everyone makes us out to be.
 
#23 ·
How come the Big 3 assembly line workers are making $70 and hour and the Toyota and MercBenz assembly line workers, in the US, are making $40 an hour. Is that Management or the Union?
 
#19 · (Edited)
Its not the lust for money that makes me so angry, it drives us all, its the fact that these "elite" are willing to push thousands and thousands of hard working people out the door and onto the streets with the right hand while grabbing that 1.89 Million dollar check with the left and passing all those jobless people on the streets smiling all the way to the bank.

Yes some line worker may be clearing 70k a year but probably after 15-20 years working their way up and I see absolutely nothing wrong with rewarding committed employees. You probably started at 63k they probably started at 25k. It’s the incentive of growth that keeps them working their and striving to reach a higher bar and that’s smart business.

These execs have probably never had to earn their position and don’t understand what an honest hard day of work really is. I as well as a good portion of this board would not except that Million dollar bonus if it meant saving hundreds of thousand of jobs and the company that is paying us all, unlike these Execs, but sadly we are cut from a different cloth.

I pray for those hard working Americans who lost their jobs at the hands of these already rich and still greedy parasites leaching off their daily sweat and a cheers to those of us with a job for it may be short lived
Shane
 
#20 ·
Its not the lust for money that makes me so angry, its drives us all, its the fact that these "elite" are willing to push thousands and thousands of hard working people out the door and onto the streets with the right hand while grabbing that 1.89 Million dollar check with the left and passing all those jobless people on the streets smiling all the way to the bank.

Yes some line worker may be clearing 70k a year but probably after 15-20 years working their way up and I see absolutely nothing wrong with rewarding committed employees. You probably started at 63k they probably started at 25k. It’s the incentive of growth that keeps them working their and striving to reach a higher bar and that’s smart business.

These execs have probably never had to earn their position and don’t understand what an honest hard day of work really is. I as well as a good portion of this board would not except that Million dollar bonus if it meant saving hundreds of thousand of jobs and the company that is paying us all, but sadly we are cut from a different cloth.

I pray for those hard working Americans who lost their jobs at the hands of these already rich and still greedy parasites leaching off their daily sweat and a cheers to those of us with a job for it may be short lived
Shane
Very well said! I agree with you 100%!
 
#21 · (Edited)
One more thing to add...

These friggen A$$HOL3S probably dont even drive the very product they engineer or market. I think that should be a crime in itself!!!

Think about this..200,000+ people lost their jobs in the month of OCT alone!!! The oil companies rake in record profits in a quarter while the US sets record unemployment records in one month. DAMMMM this $hit pisses me off...thanks for listening

Shane
 
#27 ·
We were seeing job losses of that magnitude in the '80s in the steel industry and no one seemed to do a thing to prevent it, least of all the government. The blame back then was also placed on the unions, which was and still is total horsecarp.
 
#26 ·
The thing that gets me is that the justification for the huge salaries and bonuses that some execs get was along the lines of, "These are the best super-talented people, and it's necessary to pay that much to attract them". Then when something like this happens, it's obvious that most of them weren't worth that money in the first place. The same is true of the financial industry that caused the present collapse.

As a shareholder, it does annoy me that I don't have more say in the pay-scale of the executives who are supposed to be working for me...
I think that any companies that accept bail-out money should be forced to have executive salary and bonus caps, perhaps even retrospectively. :biggrinjester:
 
#28 ·
Back in the 80's,My Father tried to get me in to GM as a line worker.I refused figuring the experience that came with the job tenure would someday be worthless as far as securing similar employment.
I truly feel bad for the folks currently out of work and those like myself that are assuredly on our way.I rebuild transmissions for a living among other repairs etc.People without jobs can't afford to have their cars repaired and make house payments and grocery purchases so............................
I'm thinking of opening a crack house while I still have some cash left.Crackhouses are cheap to purchase in rough neighborhoods,No need to advertise as word spreads like wildfire AND they always find a way to make a buck.HMMMMMMMMMMM,I should have been hired for a marketing position at Chrysler:biggrinjester:
 
#33 ·
Back in the 80's,My Father tried to get me in to GM as a line worker.I refused figuring the experience that came with the job tenure would someday be worthless as far as securing similar employment.
I truly feel bad for the folks currently out of work and those like myself that are assuredly on our way.I rebuild transmissions for a living among other repairs etc.People without jobs can't afford to have their cars repaired and make house payments and grocery purchases so............................
I'm thinking of opening a crack house while I still have some cash left.Crackhouses are cheap to purchase in rough neighborhoods,No need to advertise as word spreads like wildfire AND they always find a way to make a buck.HMMMMMMMMMMM,I should have been hired for a marketing position at Chrysler:biggrinjester:
A true capitalist.
How do you make money owning a crack house?
 
#29 ·
This, my friends, is just the start of UGLY things to come..... What the government is doing is only going to extend the downward spiral of the economy. Pop some popcorn and pull up a chair, this crap is FAR from over.... ;)
 
#32 ·
Dude you must be loaded. All I can afford is to sit outside a movie theater and hope some falls off the shoes of the people coming out. :biggrinjester:
 
#35 ·
Here's the plan.Crack house in the hood purchased at auction for about 6k.Spread a little love to the crackheads to get em' coming in.You provide a service and a place to use all at the same time and we don't accept no payment plans,Cash at the door.
Seems like a can't lose situation because I'm going to use an illegal aliens ID and DL to purchase the house as the government could really care less about giving drivers licenses to illegals.So all there is to do now is set up a supply line or add meth to the list and we can make that on site.
I do believe i have thought most of this through and expect a little loss in revenue as you really can't trust a crackhead to make the collections so................:biggrinjester:
 
#36 ·
Wow.
All of the people listed are directly responsible for the current product development and production problems. They're the last people that deserve bonuses. Have you seen how much extra inventory dealerships have on their lots? This goes back to BEFORE the economic slowdown.

I have a better idea. Take that 30 million and put it in a trust fund for all of the families of the production workers that will soon be unemployed.

The big fish have already had enough of "feed", it's time to take care of the "little" people.
 
#38 ·
At the risk of appearing all left-wing, here is a good link:
"http://ezinearticles.com/?An-American-Gold-Medal-in-the-Greed-Olympics&id=1398591"

It's worth thinking about the question they ask, "Why is the ratio of CEO pay to employee pay in America 37 times more than it is in Japan?"
And then wonder why US car companies are less efficient than their Japanese competitors... :biggrinjester:

(Actually, I don't think that's the whole problem, but I don't think it's fair to totally blame the unions either! I should add that I am originally from the UK, and it's been a long time since there was a British car industry...:()
 
#39 ·
Well, all this talk about how these high-paid execs could possibly live with themselves taking home all that pay without consideration for the low-level worker.... let me ask the following:

Why does a dog lick its balls?


Because he can.


I seriously doubt ANY of you is working in an organization that is flourishing economically and is stable beyond any worry. How many of you are, at this very moment, considering proposing a pay cut for your OWN salary as a means to improve the company's outlook for the future? I'm betting NONE. For those of you who can actually say that they are, all I can say is that you are frigging liars!! :lol:

Seriously, no one wants to give up their agreed-upon salaries. Management doesn't, the low level workers don't... it ain't gonna happen. I'll be honest, I wouldn't either. I've got mouths to feed and a standard of living to keep. That's just the way it is with us capitalists. We just have to learn to deal with it.
 
#40 ·
Why does a dog lick its balls? Because he can.
ROTFL! :D

Yeah, that's a lot of the problem. And of course, it's hard to come up with a solution that doesn't bring along worse problems. (I think some Russians tried and it didn't work out so well for them!) :biggrinjester:
 
#44 ·
You know who the big 3 should be going to for a handout?...............................................Exxon/Mobil. Chevron/Texaco, Conoco/Philips, etc. The oil industry has been in bed with the auto industry from the start and honestly I think big oil is who's partially to blame for the big 3's current problems. Besides, what else are they going to do with their record profits from last quarter? They claim drilling takes too long for the investment to pay off. Keep the big 3 alive with their gas guzzlers and you get a much quicker return on your "investment".
 
#48 ·
Oh my God, what a perfect solution!!! LOL! Guaranteed way to see the future of performance V8s secured for a few more years yet!!! :bowdown:
 
#45 ·
What happened to all the cash they made producing the SUV's? They charged up to twice the price of a comparable truck, all the while just adding a few body panels and nicer interior. They obviously didn't bother investing that cash back into the company. Where did it go?

Uhhhh.... sounds kinda familiar. 1970's anyone? US automakers making bigger and bigger cars while fuel prices rise. The Japanese jump in with the small economical cars and kick some US tail. US automakers nearly fail (and some do).

The definition of insanity: Performing the same task more than once and expecting a different result each time.


These bailouts = communism.

Socialism: The redistribution of wealth among the masses.

Communism: The redistribution of wealth among the masses at gunpoint.

If I don't pay my taxes, will men with guns come to take me away? :slap:
 
#46 ·
What happened to all the cash they made producing the SUV's? They charged up to twice the price of a comparable truck, all the while just adding a few body panels and nicer interior. They obviously didn't bother investing that cash back into the company. Where did it go?

Uhhhh.... sounds kinda familiar. 1970's anyone? US automakers making bigger and bigger cars while fuel prices rise. The Japanese jump in with the small economical cars and kick some US tail. US automakers nearly fail (and some do).

The definition of insanity: Performing the same task more than once and expecting a different result each time.


These bailouts = communism.

Socialism: The redistribution of wealth among the masses.

Communism: The redistribution of wealth among the masses at gunpoint.

If I don't pay my taxes, will men with guns come to take me away? :slap:
yea, insanity, LOL

You don't even want to know where all the cash went...
Buying bankrupt premium foreign mfg's, or buying junk yards, or buying repair shops for 10x value and then selling them a few years later at a loss back to the original owner. I could go on and on with the stupidity. Funny thing, Toyota and Honda kept producing cars and evolving the design.

The real irony, Toyota patterned their product development system after Ford in the late 70's. Ford has totally overhauled their system FIVE times since mid 90's. Toyota has evolved the original Ford system to an extremely efficient system.

Sad part, we are now in a no win situation. Bail out the autoworkers, and severely risk the insanity plea, plus there's no guarantee any of the three are truly savable. Don't bail them out, and the cascade failure could get very ugly impacting our whole way of life.