[Aperformance]

Zoomers is offering 15% off on both of our V6 exhaust systems. The single cat-back and the dual cat-back. We are looking for a combination of 10 members dual or single to pre-pay, once we have our 10 we'll start to ship. The prices as as follows: Single cat back $595.00 plus shipping and sales tax if applicable... Dual cat cack $1099.00 (includes stainless X-pipe kit) plus shipping and sales tax if applicable. There is no limit to the number we'll ship only a time limit. The group Buy will end 3 weeks from today or October 1st.

spoonerock initiated this group buy and we want to thank him for all his input. Thanks, Ron

Single cat-back video: http://www.zoomersexhaust.com/magnumSXT/default.htm

Dual cat-back video:
http://www.zoomersexhaust.com/300/default.htm

Group buy member list:

1. spoonerock (Single cat-back) Pre paid

 

[ChargerSXT]

Dual cat cack $1099.00 (includes stainless X-pipe kit) plus shipping and sales tax if applicable

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[Aperformance]

:jeez: :jeez: :jeez: :jeez: :jeez: :jeez: :jeez: :jeez: ..... :dead:

I'm thinking you don't like the price point? Was that it? Please let me know...

 

[spoonerock]

:jeez: :jeez: :jeez: :jeez: :jeez: :jeez: :jeez: :jeez: ..... :dead:

Here is my problem..............

ChargerSXT & DoctorNo (as well as others), I know you are considering the Mopar SE/SXT dual exhaust cat backs. Who wouldn't, at approx. $425.00 it seems like a real bargain!

I just don't get how they are pre advertising that price! I have looked at Borlas, Magnaflows, Flowmasters and Zoomers.

All, and I mean all of their LX platform V6 dual exhausts run over $700 (minimum). Granted, most don't have anything specific yet for the SE/SXT, but there is product out there for the 300 Touring and Magnums. Everything I have seen is over $700, and the Borla single exhaust system for the Magnum SXT is over $800????????

And yes ChargerSXT, you were right, the Ebay listing for the Magnaflows for $480 was the single exhaust system. :embarrese

The cheapest Charger cat back duals I can find are for flowmasters on Ebay for about $600 (plus a ton for shipping). And that was for the RT model.

I don't remember if I saw it here on the forums or somewhere else, but I seem to recall seeing somewhere that Borla was going to be the OEM for the Mopar cat backs. How in the world can Borla provide product to Mopar that Mopar can then resell to the public for HALF the price of Borla's own labeled product?????

I just don't get it????????

Is it because Borla is making the systems for Mopar out of inferior materials, or is it because Dodge thinks they can make a bundle on installion costs at their dealerships????

I just don't get it??????

Why would a dual exhaust cat back for an SE/SXT cost half the price of an HEMI verison??? What's different????? The guy at Zoomers said that the SE/SXTs would need additional hangers and gas tank heat diffusers. Shouldn't that cost more? Is the pipe size different? Does the Mopar system sacrifice any and all performance gains just so it can stick two exhaust tips out the back?

This is not the first time for me that Dodge has advertised incorrect specs. When I bought my SXT I got everything I wanted but a 6 disc CD radio. All the info (including the sticker) I got from Dodge said that base radio came with a CD changer control. HA! If it has one, nobody seems to know about it, and if it did, there are no CD changers on the market that are compatible with it.

I am going with the Zoomers single system. It is a personal decision that I made because I have decided that performance and sound are more imortant to me that two tail pipes. I am sure over the next several months, other manufactures will have product available at various prices and most, if not all, will be cheaper than the zoomers. I agree completely that a Grand is a lot of money to spend on an exhaust system for a 250HP engine. That is why I willing to sacrifice a tail pipe for what I believe is the best system out there.

Whatever exhaust system you may be thinking of putting on your cars, I respect your decisions. It is, after all, a matter of personal taste. But as far as the Mopars go, I would be asking some real tough questions of the dealer regarding certainty of price, quality, specifications and installation costs.

For some reason, after looking at all the brands, I have a strong "buyer beware" feeling about the Mopars. :sad:

 

[t5rider]

Ok, I'm new to modifying 4-wheeled vehicles, for the most part, so please bear w/ me.

I understand that by freeing up resistance to airflow into and out of the engine that we can allow our engines to suck more air, reduce the back pressure on the engine, and therefore increase the rpm and hopefully HP.

However, how does adding a dual "cat-back" contribute to this process beyond looks.

If all exhaust gasses are flowing down stock pipes to the converter, and then you split the stream beyond the converter, is it really adding any value beyond looks (and for $500 more from Zoomers) and/or sound?

Wouldn't the single cat-back exhaust produce the same results?

I am interested in the dual exhaust, but in my mind it is just an additional resonator and some stainless tubing...hardly worth the additional $500.

..but I have an open mind and am willing to learn how this dual exhaust will benefit my SXT daily driver, if someone will explain...

 

[spoonerock]

Ok, I'm new to modifying 4-wheeled vehicles, for the most part, so please bear w/ me.

I understand that by freeing up resistance to airflow into and out of the engine that we can allow our engines to suck more air, reduce the back pressure on the engine, and therefore increase the rpm and hopefully HP.

However, how does adding a dual "cat-back" contribute to this process beyond looks.

If all exhaust gasses are flowing down stock pipes to the converter, and then you split the stream beyond the converter, is it really adding any value beyond looks (and for $500 more from Zoomers) and/or sound?

Wouldn't the single cat-back exhaust produce the same results?

I am interested in the dual exhaust, but in my mind it is just an additional resonator and some stainless tubing...hardly worth the additional $500.

..but I have an open mind and am willing to learn how this dual exhaust will benefit my SXT daily driver, if someone will explain...

THANK YOU!!!!!!! :laugh: I could not have said it better!!!

There is a reason why Dodge built the base models with only one exhaust system, and that is that the V6 doesn't require, or couldn't handle, that much more flow through. So if you adding a dual, it's basically to have the look of two tail pipes sticking out the rear, not that you can actually double the performance gain over a single system exhaust.

Which brings me back to my position:

Zoomers single exhaust system at $595 is approx. $100 - $150 more than other competitors (magnaflow), but it sounds way better and is covered by a lifetime warranty.

Zoomers dual exhaust system at $1,099 is approx. $200 - $300 more than other competitors comparable LX V6 Platform exhausts (Magnaflow, Flowmaster, Borla) and still sounds better on the V6 in particular.

The wild card here is Mopar. How can they advertise a "soon to be" V6 dual exhaust system for $425 that is half the price of everyone else??????

According to the leeparts website (www.leeparts.com), that dual system is only covered by Mopar's 12 month / 12,000 mile warranty (whereas the Zoomer warranty is lifetime).

Just a wild thought here, but could it be that Mopar's dual exhaust is really a single with some fancy "Y" pipe that splits the exhaust near the rear end so they can have the two tail pipes????

As I said before, where it concerns Mopar.......I just can't figure it out!

 

[ChargerSXT]

Ok, I'm new to modifying 4-wheeled vehicles, for the most part, so please bear w/ me.

I understand that by freeing up resistance to airflow into and out of the engine that we can allow our engines to suck more air, reduce the back pressure on the engine, and therefore increase the rpm and hopefully HP.

However, how does adding a dual "cat-back" contribute to this process beyond looks.

If all exhaust gasses are flowing down stock pipes to the converter, and then you split the stream beyond the converter, is it really adding any value beyond looks (and for $500 more from Zoomers) and/or sound?

Wouldn't the single cat-back exhaust produce the same results?

I am interested in the dual exhaust, but in my mind it is just an additional resonator and some stainless tubing...hardly worth the additional $500.

..but I have an open mind and am willing to learn how this dual exhaust will benefit my SXT daily driver, if someone will explain...

The SE/SXT exhaust system has 2 down pipes, each with their own converter, converges into a "Y" pipe with a single outlet tube about midway back, and then goes into one muffler. I may be wrong, but I believe that the Mopar cat back system, and other dual systems for that matter, removes the "Y" pipe and runs another pipe back to a second muffler, making it a "true" dual setup. To me, it would appear that the system would benefit from a second exit. Wouldn't back pressure be reduced in the system if the exhaust had 2 outlets instead of being a 2-into-1 type system?

Just my 2 cents/opinion. Please let me know if I am WAY off base. I am a novice at this, so be kind and gentle. :embarrese

Also, I do believe that the Mopar system is made by Borla. The system is said to be stainless steel with chrome tips. Is it mandrel (sp?) bent or crush bent? Is there a second heat shield included? These are all questions that I have, and I am trying to get answered. I'll let you know what I find out.

I am with you, though. I don't see how Mopar's system can be so much less expensive than other aftermarket systems. On the same note, how can a dual exhaust system cost twice as much as a single system? There's really not twice as much material, is there? Also, as a measuring stick, how does the Mopar CAI compare price-wise to other aftermarket systems?

 

[Aperformance]

The SE/SXT exhaust system has 2 down pipes, each with their own converter, converges into a "Y" pipe with a single outlet tube about midway back, and then goes into one muffler. I may be wrong, but I believe that the Mopar cat back system, and other dual systems for that matter, removes the "Y" pipe and runs another pipe back to a second muffler, making it a "true" dual setup. To me, it would appear that the system would benefit from a second exit. Wouldn't back pressure be reduced in the system if the exhaust had 2 outlets instead of being a 2-into-1 type system?

Just my 2 cents/opinion. Please let me know if I am WAY off base. I am a novice at this, so be kind and gentle. :embarrese

Also, I do believe that the Mopar system is made by Borla. The system is said to be stainless steel with chrome tips. Is it mandrel (sp?) bent or crush bent? Is there a second heat shield included? These are all questions that I have, and I am trying to get answered. I'll let you know what I find out.

I am with you, though. I don't see how Mopar's system can be so much less expensive than other aftermarket systems. On the same note, how can a dual exhaust system cost twice as much as a single system? There's really not twice as much material, is there? Also, as a measuring stick, how does the Mopar CAI compare price-wise to other aftermarket systems?

We never intended to make a dual set up for the V6 it just sort of happened one day at the request of a 300 SXT owner. The system is essentually our R/T system with an x-pipe kit. The x-pipe kit comes with a tru-flow stainless x-pipe and two- 2" x 13.5" long extender pipes. Our R/T system utilizes the stock x-pipe keeping costs down. That is why this one costs a little more.The system sounds awsome and seems to perform as good as the single system. We thought the same thing, that this may be to much exhaust for the horsepower of the V6. So... we necked down the extender pipes to a 2" diameter going into the 2.25" x-pipe which achived two things... it maintained low end torque and took some of the raspyness out of the sound. We've done a hand full of these dual set-ups and the customers love them. They sware by there butt dynos that the 3.5L pulls harder though the mid-range and that the top end is even better. I think that Mopar might have a single in dual out muffler in the stock location and then split it off into two tail pipes. No additional heat shield required. It will interesting to see what they come up with. Our system is costly only because the special parts that are needed to complete the installtion. I think it fits well with the Charger because of the dual cut-outs... perhaps if they had a single cut out like the Magnum SXT we would'nt be having this discussion.

 

[spoonerock]

We never intended to make a dual set up for the V6 it just sort of happened one day at the request of a 300 SXT owner.

We thought the same thing, that this may be to much exhaust for the horsepower of the V6.

I think that Mopar might have a single in dual out muffler in the stock location and then split it off into two tail pipes.

perhaps if they (Charger SE/SXT) had a single cut out like the Magnum SXT we would'nt be having this discussion.

That's enough for me.....

One Zoomers single exhaust sign, sealed an paid for! :rockon:

PS - Check out all the satisfied Zoomers buyers over at the sister LX platform forums - www.lxforums.com

 

[ChargerSXT]

I still want a dual setup. That second cut-out just looks so empty. It is just screaming for an exhaust tip. :wink:

 

[spoonerock]

I still want a dual setup. That second cut-out just looks so empty. It is just screaming for an exhaust tip. :wink:

That's cool with me. I really hope the Mopar product is the real deal (sound, quality, performance, etc.)

I guess I am just getting too old to want to play guinea pig by being one of the first to find out. I am a little bit of a conservative when it comes to things that are tried and proven.

Besides, if I gave in to the second screaming exhaust tip, I'd have to put up with a whole bunch of spousal screaming with my continuing obsession with this car (even though she is all excited about the new PT Cruiser Route 66 Special Edition car, though she already has the 2004 turbo model which she got by trading in her 2001 PT model).

I have already had to promise that I will patiently wait until next year before I purchase a CAI (or anything else for that matter)! :sad:

Good luck with the Mopar folks & keep us update as to what you find out. As soon as I get my Zoomers on, I will try to post pictures and audio files.

 

[Aperformance]

I still want a dual setup. That second cut-out just looks so empty. It is just screaming for an exhaust tip. :wink:

Do you want me to add you to the list? If your the first guy to go with a set of Zoomers duals I'll give you or the first guy an extra $100.00 off.

:yes: $999.00 for the first guy that orders a set of duals for their Charger. Who will be first?

 

[Aperformance]

Zoomers is offering 15% off on both of our V6 exhaust systems. The single cat-back and the dual cat-back. We are looking for a combination of 10 members dual or single to pre-pay, once we have our 10 we'll start to ship. The prices as as follows: Single cat back $595.00 plus shipping and sales tax if applicable... Dual cat cack $1099.00 (includes stainless X-pipe kit) plus shipping and sales tax if applicable. There is no limit to the number we'll ship only a time limit. The group Buy will end 3 weeks from today or October 1st.

spoonerock initiated this group buy and we want to thank him for all his input. Thanks, Ron

Single cat-back video: http://www.zoomersexhaust.com/magnumSXT/default.htm

Dual cat-back video:
http://www.zoomersexhaust.com/300/default.htm

Group buy member list:

1. spoonerock (Single cat-back) Pre paid (Shipped Today)


I agreed to ship the first one out to Spoonerock since he initiated the V6 Group buy...) Look for his review

 

[ChargerSXT]

I guess I am just getting too old to want to play guinea pig by being one of the first to find out. I am a little bit of a conservative when it comes to things that are tried and proven.

But yet you still bought a new Charger. :razz: ...... JK!

Besides, if I gave in to the second screaming exhaust tip, I'd have to put up with a whole bunch of spousal screaming with my continuing obsession with this car (even though she is all excited about the new PT Cruiser Route 66 Special Edition car, though she already has the 2004 turbo model which she got by trading in her 2001 PT model).

My wife actually wants me to get a dual exhaust, so no problem there. Also, she is thinking about getting a PT Cruiser GT. I haven't heard anything about the Route 66 Special Edition, but I'll definitiely look into it.

As soon as I get my Zoomers on, I will try to post pictures and audio files.

Please do. I'd like to see/hear it.

 

[ChargerSXT]

Do you want me to add you to the list? If your the first guy to go with a set of Zoomers duals I'll give you or the first guy an extra $100.00 off.

:yes: $999.00 for the first guy that orders a set of duals for their Charger. Who will be first?

Man, I would LOVE to take you up on that. Unfortunately, that's a bit more than I can spend right now. :sad:

 

[Aperformance]

I'll take the first Dual V6 system for my Magnum. $999.00 right?

Thank You

Yes, you are the first, give me a call and place your order. I can ship it out today... Ron 949-916-3240

 

[Aperformance]

Re: List Update

Zoomers is offering 15% off on both of our V6 exhaust systems. The single cat-back and the dual cat-back. We are looking for a combination of 10 members dual or single to pre-pay, once we have our 10 we'll start to ship. The prices as as follows: Single cat back $595.00 plus shipping and sales tax if applicable... Dual cat cack $1099.00 (includes stainless X-pipe kit) plus shipping and sales tax if applicable. There is no limit to the number we'll ship only a time limit. The group Buy will end 3 weeks from today or October 1st.

spoonerock initiated this group buy and we want to thank him for all his input. Thanks, Ron

Single cat-back video: http://www.zoomersexhaust.com/magnumSXT/default.htm

Dual cat-back video:
http://www.zoomersexhaust.com/300/default.htm

Group buy member list:

1. spoonerock (Single cat-back) Pre paid (Shipped 9/13)
2. Viper (Dual cat-back) interested Pre paid (shipped 9/14)


I agreed to ship the first one out to Spoonerock since he initiated the V6 Group buy... and the second one out to Viper so they can report back to the forums. Look for their reviews

 

[spoonerock]

But yet you still bought a new Charger. :razz: ...... JK!

It wasn't such a gamble for me. My first two cars were both Chargers (1966 - see my Avatar for my old wheels, and the 1972 version). Then I watched in horror as dodge completely screwed-up the brand because of the 70's energy crisis. So for me, it has been about a 25 year wait to get back together with an old friend. :wink:

 

[spoonerock]

MY ZOOMERS ARE HERE!!!!! :rockon: :rockon:

(Or since I purchased the single exhaust, should it be "MY ZOOMI IS HERE)

Damn, Now I have to wait until this weekend to get it installed.

 

[t5rider]

MY ZOOMERS ARE HERE!!!!! :rockon: :rockon:

(Or since I purchased the single exhaust, should it be "MY ZOOMI IS HERE)

Damn, Now I have to wait until this weekend to get it installed.

Ok, so next time you post we get photos and audio/video, right?