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I know this is beating a dead horse, but i have to say my 2 cents worth. I am 33yrs old, and have grew up with that car in movies/shows. My Dad, and uncles all had chargers, and roadrunners. I grew up with mopar. This car means alot not only to the owners of them, but to those who have never had a chance to own one. My first hand me down car was a fury 4door with a 318. It was puke green. Now that i look back that was a ugly ass car, but at 18 i thought i was the coolest kid on the block with that mopar. LOL Hey, I outran Steve clarks 350 camaro in that boat. That was the talk of the school when i took him down. LOL Then i left home, and had no money so got a ford escort. Then a 92 jeep wrangler. Then met my wife, and had a kid. Jeep gets traded for a VW jetta, and i get the hand me down B4000 mazda 4x4.
Then buy a house. Just got secure, and both vehicles flew the coop. I got 2 dodge rams in the driveway. one quad for the wife, and RC 4x4 for me. I been telling my wife ever since the first concept i will own one. I been hammering a extra payment every three months on my truck to pay it off. Now i see this peice of garbage there gonna throw the charger badge on, and i am totally pissed!! On top of that there's no two door?? WTF? Hey, there's nothing wrong with the car at all, but dont slap no charger name to it. Dodge will ruin the name if they do. There's no plymouth left, and thats all the muscle we have to live by thats affordable atleast. Maybe i just dont get it. Sorry for my first post being a complaint, but i just had to do it. I cant believe what they designed for a charger. I guess i will use my saved cash for a 68 already restored, or possibly a 2005 mustang. Seems ford knows what there doing when it comes to styling.
 

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Budman,

I didnt like the design at first either, but it did grow on me... now with the recent pictures coming out of modified chargers, lowered, with custom wheels, etc. I'm really starting to like it. The car looks downright menacing in black..... and modified described as above.

We have to face it, times change. What makes a muscle car to me is looks and performance. The new charger has both... sure, the looks are quite a departure from what we have seen in the past, but that doesnt mean the car doesnt look good. Also, with a 6.1L Hemi, the performance of this car is going to be better then previous models as well.

I understand your frustration, but I think this car will grow on you as it did me.
 

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don't forget this long forgotten thing called a charger.. it did exist; so using the charger nameplate on something non-charger isn't a new thing for DCx.. also here's one of those chops you requested ekool- i put some other ones in the pics' section.
 

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Re: Upset with Charger...Budman is right

Budman,

Despite what others may say, there's no reason for you to excuse yourself for speaking your mind. I, along with a multitude of others feel the same way that you do.

When I first saw the 1999 Charger concept, a car which captured the aggressive design cues, character and personality of the earlier Chargers, I was eager for its production.

Then, when I heard that Dodge was pulling a Bait & Switch routine by building the lowly 2006 Ford Maverick look-alike instead of the 1999 Dodge Charger, I felt disappointed and betrayed.

Once you show someone a steak, don't try to feed them an Egg McMuffin and that is exactly what Daimler is doing.

An analogy would be the new Ford Mustang, at quarterback, going in to make a go ahead score during the Muscle Car Superbowl. Then, Daimler brings in its ace quarterback, the widely praised and eagerly awaited 1999 Dodge Charger.

The 1999 Dodge Charger gets the crowd into a frenzy as it quickly races untouched down the field toward the goal line. Then all of a sudden, on the verge of getting the winning score, Daimler's brain dead coaching staff calls timeout, pulls the 1999 Dodge Charger out of the line-up and substitutes the team's towel boy, the neutered 2006 Dodge Maverick look-alike.

Of course, the 2006 Dodge Maverick, being the epitome of lame, immediately hands the ball over to Ford which runs the clock out on an arrogant, misguided and clueless Daimler management.

As a lifelong Mopar enthusiast, it pains me to admit that Ford has already won this battle but they have.

Some say that the design of the 2006 Dodge Maverick has grown on them. It's a free country and they have their opinion.

As for me, I feel that their is something is wrong if a design has to grow on you like a fungus, before you like a car.

You see, I liked the 1999 Dodge Charger concept from the first time that I had seen it. It was dynamic, aggressive and true to the character of the original Charger's "take no prisoners attitude."

Meanwhile, some arrogant Daimler execs have told former customers that if they don't like the new Dodge Maverick, that they should buy their cars elsewhere.

Daimler may win over some easily influenced kids who have just received their learners permits, but Budman, as for me the Ford Mustang is looking pretty good right now.

Have a nice day.
 

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Don't blame you. Totally disappointed in the transmission selection,. I told a few DCx employees and made it known that us OLD FARTS or baby boomers don't really care about the door issues but need to be in control of the tranny portion.

Looks means nothing when performance make it counts. Yes Dan! Make that car aggressive for the SRT-8 model.

Now, would I buying one in the fall? If they can do it.
 

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Re: Upset with Charger...Budman is right

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Budman,

Despite what others may say, there's no reason for you to excuse yourself for speaking your mind. I, along with a multitude of others feel the same way that you do.

When I first saw the 1999 Charger concept, a car which captured the aggressive design cues, character and personality of the earlier Chargers, I was eager for its production.

Then, when I heard that Dodge was pulling a Bait & Switch routine by building the lowly 2006 Ford Maverick look-alike instead of the 1999 Dodge Charger, I felt disappointed and betrayed.

Once you show someone a steak, don't try to feed them an Egg McMuffin and that is exactly what Daimler is doing.

An analogy would be the new Ford Mustang, at quarterback, going in to make a go ahead score during the Muscle Car Superbowl. Then, Daimler brings in its ace quarterback, the widely praised and eagerly awaited 1999 Dodge Charger.

The 1999 Dodge Charger gets the crowd into a frenzy as it quickly races untouched down the field toward the goal line. Then all of a sudden, on the verge of getting the winning score, Daimler's brain dead coaching staff calls timeout, pulls the 1999 Dodge Charger out of the line-up and substitutes the team's towel boy, the neutered 2006 Dodge Maverick look-alike.

Of course, the 2006 Dodge Maverick, being the epitome of lame, immediately hands the ball over to Ford which runs the clock out on an arrogant, misguided and clueless Daimler management.

As a lifelong Mopar enthusiast, it pains me to admit that Ford has already won this battle but they have.

Some say that the design of the 2006 Dodge Maverick has grown on them. It's a free country and they have their opinion.

As for me, I feel that their is something is wrong if a design has to grow on you like a fungus, before you like a car.

You see, I liked the 1999 Dodge Charger concept from the first time that I had seen it. It was dynamic, aggressive and true to the character of the original Charger's "take no prisoners attitude."

Meanwhile, some arrogant Daimler execs have told former customers that if they don't like the new Dodge Maverick, that they should buy their cars elsewhere.

Daimler may win over some easily influenced kids who have just received their learners permits, but Budman, as for me the Ford Mustang is looking pretty good right now.

Have a nice day.
Ebert, all anyone has to do is read my postings to determine that I'm no fan of this car as the next Charger. But your posts make mine look tame. (Even I like it better than to call it a Maverick, but it has NO BUSINESS being called Charger.) My favorite quote of yours was on another site, I believe, where you'd said a better design could've come from a monkey, an Etch-a-Sketch, and a fifth of Jim Beam. I haven't laughed so hard in a long time! If you ever find yourself in Ventura County, CA, I'm buying you a beer! Keep fighting the good fight.
 

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Don't blame you. Totally disappointed in the transmission selection,. I told a few DCx employees and made it known that us OLD FARTS or baby boomers don't really care about the door issues but need to be in control of the tranny portion.

Looks means nothing when performance make it counts. Yes Dan! Make that car aggressive for the SRT-8 model.

Now, would I buying one in the fall? If they can do it.

Us young farts like myself aren't too particular with door numbers, either. Hence my love of my SRT-4, and my wont for an EVO.

What bothers me is that others my age are now not caring about transmission, and actually poke fun at me for "not being able to get a car that's smart enough to shift itself". When I was 15, I was able to test two Mitsu Eclipses, one had the auto and the other had the five speed. I can't take not choosing my own gears now.

Looks may not be the be all end all for me, but I'm still not going to buy a late 70's El Camino. Unless it has a 502. Alright, you have a point, who cares what it looks like? :D
 

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Stevasaurus,

I know my opinions on this website are not shared by all and I respect that.

You only have to read a few of the posts to realize that regardless of the differences, some will buy the 2006 car and may even like it. In addition, there is no doubt that many will end up doing some incredibly innovative things to the 2006 car and in the process make their own legacy.

As for me, I have to throw my hat in the ring with Budman. He captured many of the thoughts that I had in my anticipation of the 1999 Dodge Charger concept and the dissapointment that I now feel in the 2006 Dodge Maverick. It seems that for Budman and myself, our only option will be to join the Ford Mustang camp, a decision that was made by Daimler management.

Stevasaurus, as far as your comments and offer, thank you. I think you may have struck upon something. Just on this one thread we've got SlickerSRT, Hemidakota, suzq044, ekool, Budman, and yourself. All of which, are respected and seasoned contributors to this website.

In addition, there are many others who have come here to share their ideas and opinions. I believe that regional auto shows would be opportunities to actually meet other forum contributors to exchange thoughts on what Detroit has to offer.

Also, meetings like this would give, Mopar, my drunken monkey an opportunity to float some of his Etch-A-Sketch renderings for the new Dodge Charger.

Have a nice day
 

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I must say thanks to everyone for not flaming me. I figured i was asking for it when i disliked the new charger in a charger forum. I respect everyone's opinion, but i dont think this car is going to grow on me. It is a nice car, but its not a charger in my opinion. I think that ford mustang was built on the 60's body style to compete with this charger coming out, and i bet there laughing there asses off as we speak. Not only do i disagree with the body style of this car, but i also disagree with chryslers business aspects. Lets see. 300m, charger, magnum. There all the same car on the same frame. All 4doors. Now last i heard the camaro was discontinued cause it took sales from the vette. With the charger being the same thing as the 300m, and equally priced give or take a few thousand possibly. Then you have a magnum equally priced. Its the same thing with a cover over the trunk. Isn't this competing against yourself? I knew it would be built on the magnum frame, but after seeing the magnum, and 300m i never throught they would make it a 4 door that looks like a magnum with a trunk. This would be like ford turning there mustang into a ford 500 look alike. Totally stupid business. lets send customers to the lot to figure out what 4 door they want. Great idea. How about Chrysler let them choose with the 300, or magnum, pacifica, and compete with mustang, GTO, and Cobalt. Give us something affordable and sporty. Yes, dodge runs equal with these cars, but i dont see my kids sitting in the backseat at cecil county dragway.. Unless you can afford a viper. You have to be upset with dodges decision on this charger.
 

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Maybe dodge should learn from these guys. they understand styling.. To bad it dont look familiar to this.

 

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Daimler has turned the General Lee into the Yellow Cab. Now I know why they needed those four doors and the short pudgy body.

If you want a new Charger just hail a taxi.
 

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I must say thanks to everyone for not flaming me. I figured i was asking for it when i disliked the new charger in a charger forum. I respect everyone's opinion, but i dont think this car is going to grow on me. It is a nice car, but its not a charger in my opinion. I think that ford mustang was built on the 60's body style to compete with this charger coming out, and i bet there laughing there asses off as we speak. Not only do i disagree with the body style of this car, but i also disagree with chryslers business aspects. Lets see. 300m, charger, magnum. There all the same car on the same frame. All 4doors. Now last i heard the camaro was discontinued cause it took sales from the vette. With the charger being the same thing as the 300m, and equally priced give or take a few thousand possibly. Then you have a magnum equally priced. Its the same thing with a cover over the trunk. Isn't this competing against yourself? I knew it would be built on the magnum frame, but after seeing the magnum, and 300m i never throught they would make it a 4 door that looks like a magnum with a trunk. This would be like ford turning there mustang into a ford 500 look alike. Totally stupid business. lets send customers to the lot to figure out what 4 door they want. Great idea. How about Chrysler let them choose with the 300, or magnum, pacifica, and compete with mustang, GTO, and Cobalt. Give us something affordable and sporty. Yes, dodge runs equal with these cars, but i dont see my kids sitting in the backseat at cecil county dragway.. Unless you can afford a viper. You have to be upset with dodges decision on this charger.
What would you say to a two door Magnum? Like if Chrysler had made the Nomad instead of Chevy?
 

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What would you say to a two door Magnum? Like if Chrysler had made the Nomad instead of Chevy?
Fine, if they want to put 2 doors on the magnum then go ahead. My major gripe is them using the charger name, and running it into the dirt. I have no problem with chrylser's new lineup. I think there sporty, and very nice for what they are. I just think if your going to bring back something from the past that has as much history as the charger does, then it should be worthy of the name. This new charger is by no means worthy of its predecessor. I would have never in my wildest imagination figured they would put 4 doors on a charger. Especially when there lineup is already filled with 4 door sedans. I cant think of one V8 car they have as a 2 door. Stratus is a V6, and Neon 4 banger. Fact that the name charger, and the fact there line up has not support for 2 door V8's is the reason i thought for sure it would be a 2 door. Not only that. Even if it was a 2 door it would be ugly. Fact that its 4 doors just spread the iceing on the cake!!
 

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Re: Upset with the Charger...Yellow Cab

Budman,

The new Charger doesn't look like the General Lee but it does look like a Yellow Cab. They needed those four doors and pudgy body so they could carry more customers.

If you want a new Charger just hail a cab.
 

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The 1999 Charger Concept was awesome. It captured the essence of the 68-70, and still looked modern. But they couldn't produce that now - it doesn't fit with their current line-up and the direction the company is going. And it truly would've been a bad move on their part to release a concept from 1999 in 2006 - the car would've been 6+ years old before it ever even came out.

I don't think the new Charger is a hideous vehicle. But I do agree that they should've reconsidered naming it a Charger. Especially since the 300M made such an AWESOME and amazing statement about Chrysler. They should've released the sedan version of the Magnum, and left it at that. There's no splash to the Charger - it just looks like a 300 with a new face. (I realize there's more design and changes than that - but that's how it comes off).

If they had released the Charger first (before the 300), I think we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Everyone would think it was a bold, aggressive move by Dodge. Unfortunately, they already made the bold move. So this just comes off as passe and old news.

And, as much as I don't like it being called a Charger, it still beats the hell (stylewise) out of most sedans. Hmmmmm, Passat or Charger. Camry or Charger. Impala or Charger...

But, like others have noted, this car (as a Charger) should be taking sales away from Mustangs, not family sedans. Oh well.
 

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And, as much as I don't like it being called a Charger, it still beats the hell (stylewise) out of most sedans. Hmmmmm, Passat or Charger. Camry or Charger. Impala or Charger...

But, like others have noted, this car (as a Charger) should be taking sales away from Mustangs, not family sedans. Oh well.
I don't think that Impala vs. Charger is such a bad match up. Anywho, after looking at the concepts of the new Impala, I think I've finally lost any repsect I have towards the design team at GM. I don't have a huge problem with any design at DCX, just naming. The name Crossfire still just sounds wrong to me...
 

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I know this is beating a dead horse, but i have to say my 2 cents worth. I am 33yrs old, and have grew up with that car in movies/shows. My Dad, and uncles all had chargers, and roadrunners. I grew up with mopar. This car means alot not only to the owners of them, but to those who have never had a chance to own one. My first hand me down car was a fury 4door with a 318. It was puke green. Now that i look back that was a ugly ass car, but at 18 i thought i was the coolest kid on the block with that mopar. LOL Hey, I outran Steve clarks 350 camaro in that boat. That was the talk of the school when i took him down. LOL Then i left home, and had no money so got a ford escort. Then a 92 jeep wrangler. Then met my wife, and had a kid. Jeep gets traded for a VW jetta, and i get the hand me down B4000 mazda 4x4.
Then buy a house. Just got secure, and both vehicles flew the coop. I got 2 dodge rams in the driveway. one quad for the wife, and RC 4x4 for me. I been telling my wife ever since the first concept i will own one. I been hammering a extra payment every three months on my truck to pay it off. Now i see this peice of garbage there gonna throw the charger badge on, and i am totally pissed!! On top of that there's no two door?? WTF? Hey, there's nothing wrong with the car at all, but dont slap no charger name to it. Dodge will ruin the name if they do. There's no plymouth left, and thats all the muscle we have to live by thats affordable atleast. Maybe i just dont get it. Sorry for my first post being a complaint, but i just had to do it. I cant believe what they designed for a charger. I guess i will use my saved cash for a 68 already restored, or possibly a 2005 mustang. Seems ford knows what there doing when it comes to styling.
I can understand your wish for the days of your youth(as we are close to the same age) but give DCX some props.

Although I like the mustang as well this car is as close to a 'true' muscle car than I've seen since our early teens.

If you don't like this charger, I'd say find the one you want(68) buy a crate 6.1 Hemi and find a good shop to put her together for you.
The best of both worlds.
 
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