WHAT? The kid had a little attitude, however nothing that kid did was even remotely enough to justify thats cop's reaction. that cop threatened to make up charges, and arrest him for nothing. That is the exact oppisite of what the police should stand for.Yes, the cop went overboard but that kid was a punk and with his attitude what does he expect to happen. Everyone has a bad night once in a while.
I understand what you're saying, but anytime I'm pulled over I honestly try to think, even though I may be pissed, he's just doing his job, he doesn't know me or my intentions, so right off the bat he's on the defensive, so I should be overly respectful and polite.It's not okay when it happens to you. You have every right to ask what you've been stopped for. You have an obligation to be nonconfrontaional, obey lawful commands and provide legally required information. You shouldn't have to grovel or act happy about being stopped.
I didnt see an attitude from the kid. He has every right to know what it was he did incorrectly - the timing of the question, "What did I do wrong, Officer?" may have been questionable. The police officer needs to be reprimanded - here he is dorkin around for 12-15 minutes with a guy who really didnt do anything wrong. I wonder how many drunk drivers crossed his path during that time? Looks like to me they were next to a busy street, if not a highway - at night. My guess would be that there was at least one.Yes, the cop went overboard but that kid was a punk and with his attitude what does he expect to happen. Everyone has a bad night once in a while.
I agree that you "should" be polite. It can only help your situation. But having a smart mouth is not a crime. The officers I know are not defensive. The are vigilant, prepared and observent. They can smell a rat or a lie a mile away and they know that keeping a person talking is the key to finding out what's going on. If they're yelling they can't be listening. Threatening to make up charges is one of the worst things an officer can do. It destroys all trust. When people see or hear of an abuse like this they picture it happening to themselves or their spouse or their children. A police department needs to be in harmony with the community they serve. It will always lead to more cooperation and goodwill. When I see something like this, I not only feel bad for the person it happened to, I feel bad for all of the good officers in the community who will have this thrown in their face by real offenders (and defense attorneys).I understand what you're saying, but anytime I'm pulled over I honestly try to think, even though I may be pissed, he's just doing his job, he doesn't know me or my intentions, so right off the bat he's on the defensive, so I should be overly respectful and polite.
And above that, the Golden Rule - do unto others....
...but this incident is by no means uncommon.
Ok, you lost me. Is it an uncommon or common problem, in your view?I DO believe that this is not a common problem for most LEOs...
Unfortunately, the sergeant allowed himself to lose control. It's the violators that usually do the yelling and berating.Anger is just as addictive as any other drug, and some use poor innocent motorists to "get it off their chests" occasionally.
Heck, Reb, an officer yelling at someone is hardly "news".Since it's happened to me, I knew long ago that this sort of story would come out eventually.
In this case, I think both the "victim" and the officer acted inappropriately. After just having 3 officers shot in Miami for investigating a suspicious vehicle in a burglary-prone area, I can see why the sergeant was on edge. However, that's no excuse for him to lose it. The "victim" should have been a bit more cooperative initially. I think he was looking to get good video, and he got it.But when I've stated my incidents with officers in the past on this forum, I've been attacked and told that it must have been my fault, that my 'attitude' must not have been right.
Questioning behaviors and tactics of police are not reserved for the "taxpayers" or those free of criminal histories. There is, however, a time, place, and protocol for the questioning... hopefully after the investigation officer has no reason to believe you intend to kill him.Next time a taxpaying citizen with no criminal record questions the behaviors, attitudes and current practices of law enforcement officers, perhaps some will start to pay attention and consider that it might be a valid question.
Ok, now tell me, ultimately who's fault was this? A certain judge maybe?A check of court records shows Kuehnlein himself pleaded guilty of assault and stealing in two different cases, in 1988 and 1990. He successfully petitioned a judge in St. Louis County in 1998 to expunge his criminal record, which was making it hard for him to get work as a cop.
The judge ordered those records sealed, as well as records of an acquittal for drunken driving and an assault arrest that did not result in charges.