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http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1658545_1658533_1658522,00.html

This 180HP Corvette makes the list!

1899-1939
1899 Horsey Horseless
1909 Ford Model T
1911 Overland OctoAuto
1913 Scripps-Booth Bi-Autogo
1920 Briggs and Stratton Flyer
1934 Chrysler/Desoto Airflow
1933 Fuller Dymaxion

1940-1959
1949 Crosley Hotshot
1956 Renault Dauphine
1957 King Midget Model III
1957 Waterman Aerobile
1958 Ford Edsel
1958 Lotus Elite
1958 MGA Twin Cam
1958 Zunndapp Janus

1960-1974
1961 Amphicar
1961 Corvair
1966 Peel Trident
1970 AMC Gremlin
1970 Triumph Stag
1971 Chrysler Imperial LeBaron Two-Door Hardtop
1971 Ford Pinto
1974 Jaguar XK-E V12 Series III

1975-1989
1975 Bricklin SV1
1975 Morgan Plus 8 Propane
1975 Triumph TR7
1975 Trabant
1976 Aston Martin Lagonda
1976 Chevy Chevette
1978 AMC Pacer
1980 Corvette 305 "California"
1980 Ferrari Mondial 8
1981 Cadillac Fleetwood V-8-6-4
1981 De Lorean DMC-12
1982 Cadillac Cimarron
1982 Camaro Iron Duke
1984 Maserati Biturbo
1985 Mosler Consulier GTP
1985 Yugo GV
1986 Lamborghini LM002

1990-Present
1995 Ford Explorer
1997 GM EV1
1997 Plymouth Prowler
1998 Fiat Multipla
2000 Ford Excursion
2001 Jaguar X-Type
2001 Pontiac Aztek
2002 BMW 7-series
2003 Hummer H2
2004 Chevy SSR

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/completelist/0,,1658545,00.html
 

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There some stinkers on that list, but also some excellent vehicles. His anti-truck/anti-luxury car bias is showing as well.

The Model T? Perhaps one of the BEST cars of all time. Local guy around here as a circa 1920 Model T, all original, the he STILL drives up to 20 miles at stretch to local car show.

I grew up in a 71 Jag E-Type V12. Yes, the cars was/is a money pit (Mom still has it - she bought it new in November 71).

Excursion? Great vehicle.

Now, many of the others, I agree with.:lol:
 

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That review of the Prowler is scathing. I didn't realize it was a V6. I always liked those cars, though. We saw one the other day and and I was wondering what was under the hood. Now I know. And I won't be so impressed next time I see one...:knockout:
 

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Remember - the Prowler is also pretty light. The last gen 3.5 in the Prowler was rated about the same as now - somewhere around 250/250. Not SRT8 fast, but not slow either. Prowlers get a bad rap, IMO, because of the engine. Did it need a V8? Yes, but the V6 it has is pretty good.
 

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Wonder what the 50 best would look like?
 

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Wonder what the 50 best would look like?
I image that the 50 best list would consist of cars found in a "C&D 10 best list" type article. And, I rarely choose to own any of those type cars: Hondas, BMWs, Toyotas, and such. Though these cars provide great "transportation", fuel economy and new innovations, I'd rather have a car with a "soul".

Personally, I'd choose most 60s-70s Muscle Cars, 1980's Turbo Buicks, V-8 Mustangs, Camaro IROCs and Z-28s, Pontiac Formulas, TAs and GTAs, Turbocharged FWD Dodges, V-8 GM G-Bodies ,etc. You know, those cars that most of the main stream magazine types snub their noses at (including our LX bodied cars). Yeah, that's my kinda car.

Maybe someone here could start a 50 best list. Here are MY top ten. [I'll only list cars I can (or would try to) afford brand new at the year and time of sell.]

1986-1987 Buick GN and Turbo Regal (all are basically the same car)
1989 Pontiac 20 Anniversary TA
1987-1992 Mustang GT and LX 5.0
1986.5-1989 Shelby Dodge Omni and Charger GLHS, and CSX
1984.5-1986.5 Mustang SVO
2006-2007 Dodge Charger and Magnum SRT8 and Chrysler 300 SRT8
1995-2001 Pontiac Ram-Air Firebird Formula w/1LE
1995-2002 Camaro SS
200?-2006 Pontiac GTO
2003-2004 Mustang Cobra

Man, I could go on and on. (But I'll stop :wink:)
 

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How can the De Lorean DMC-12 and the Prowler be on that list? You figure low-volume quirky cars are exempt since they are so polarizing by definition. If they had set out to make really boring cars that would not risk the dislike of anyone then you'd end up with more Camrys and Accords.

I think cars like the Honda Civic GX are bigger failures - they sell a 45+ mpg Civic and everybody hates it because it is so dull. Instead they have to sell Civic Hybrids with worse overall mpg and the snotty fools love it because of a hybrid badge on the trunk.

Also, any domestic-designed car built in the 80s is shameful... if it weren't for the lack of effort by Domestics in the 80s there would not have been consumer perception that American built vehicles are crap. Over a decade of failure was more damning than a few examples of extreme stinkers.
 

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I image that the 50 best list would consist of cars found in a "C&D 10 best list" type article. And, I rarely choose to own any of those type cars: Hondas, BMWs, Toyotas, and such. Though these cars provide great "transportation", fuel economy and new innovations, I'd rather have a car with a "soul".

Personally, I'd choose most 60s-70s Muscle Cars, 1980's Turbo Buicks, V-8 Mustangs, Camaro IROCs and Z-28s, Pontiac Formulas, TAs and GTAs, Turbocharged FWD Dodges, V-8 GM G-Bodies ,etc. You know, those cars that most of the main stream magazine types snub their noses at (including our LX bodied cars). Yeah, that's my kinda car.

Maybe someone here could start a 50 best list. Here are MY top ten. [I'll only list cars I can (or would try to) afford brand new at the year and time of sell.]

1986-1987 Buick GN and Turbo Regal (all are basically the same car)
1989 Pontiac 20 Anniversary TA
1987-1992 Mustang GT and LX 5.0
1986.5-1989 Shelby Dodge Omni and Charger GLHS, and CSX
1984.5-1986.5 Mustang SVO
2006-2007 Dodge Charger and Magnum SRT8 and Chrysler 300 SRT8
1995-2001 Pontiac Ram-Air Firebird Formula w/1LE
1995-2002 Camaro SS
200?-2006 Pontiac GTO
2003-2004 Mustang Cobra

Man, I could go on and on. (But I'll stop :wink:)

Great starter list - I like almost all of your choices. I will add

1963 Dodge RamChargers and MaxWedge 426
1968 1/2 Mustang 428 Cobra Jet
1969 Dodge Charger 440 or 426
1970 Buick GSX Stage II
1970 Hemi Cuda (of course)
1967 Chrysler New Yorker 440
1975 Cadillac Eldorado Convertible 500
1973 Pontiac Trans Am 455SD
1983 Audi Quattro
About 1 dozen Lingenfelter Corvettes, F Bodies, and Impala SS conversions!
1994-96 Impala SS (brought back big American muscle)


Crazy cars

Ferrari F430
AMG CL65, S65
Mercedes E55
BMW 635CSi (the original 6)
BMW M3
Porsche Turbo
Ferrari 512BB
Lamborghini Countach S
 

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Pacer?!!!


I liked the Pacer!
 

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The pinto needs to be on the list at least 3 times. I mean just to drive home the point as one of the most infamous cars of all time and is one of the most lauded examples that consumers place as a model of how inept and irresponsible Detroit Auto was in the past.
 

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There's actually one of those AMC Pacers (a yellow one) running around my town - seems to be running fine, and appears to be driven daily by its owner!
 

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TIME magazine opinion?

That rag is good for wiping my Gore after taking a Clinton.

Oh, I'm sorry, did I let my true feelings show? :)
lol x2!

i think that list absolutely SUCKS!!! I completely disagree with like 20 of those cars! there are a ton of cars that are worse than the ones on that list

a couple of cars i'd add to the best list yall started: viper, corvette, DB9, XK-R, and of course 2006 gomango charger #259!!! :lol:
 
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