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Im sure this has been debated several times, could I please ask for any links or appropriate thoughts

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welshcarfan said:
Hi

Im sure this has been debated several times, could I please ask for any links or appropriate thoughts

Thanks

Steve
Performance-wise, the RT won't hold a candle to the 2005 GTO. I don't know what the 2005's will run, but the 2004 in this link ran a 13.11 in good weather and 13.40 in the middle of summer. With 50 more ponies, the 2005 GTO should be running 12's bone stock.

Here's the C&D link for the mustang and GTO comparo. The C&D quarter mile time may seem a little off until you realize that C&D does their testing on the west coast where 2500 ft density altitude is normal; at the same track as GMHTP (Englishtown, NJ) the car would have run 13.0 or possibly 12.9 even in the heat.

Only the SRT8 has a chance of beating the GTO. The HP to weight ratios are very similar: the GTO weighs 3900 lbs and has 400 hp for 9.75 lb per hp, and the SRT8 has 425 hp for 4100 lbs, for 9.65 lb per hp. Drag strip runs will be a tossup. Looking at the June 2005 C&D, the 300C SRT8 ran a 13.2 at 109, while earlier the 2005 GTO ran 13.3 @ 107. Because we don't know what the weather was like on each test day, and thus we don't know the density altitude, we can't really predict who would win head-to-head.

Skidpad numbers are nearly identical, and even the 70-0 braking is within a couple of feet. Where the GTO will win is on price - assuming the pricing difference between the 300C SRT8 and the Charger SRT8 stays the same as the RT models, the Charger will probably run around $37,300 MSRP, $4k more than the GTO. (I wish I could get the SRT8 performance options in a plain-jane Charger instead of having to fork out for options I don't even want.) On the other hand, the Charger wins hand-down on looks. I just couldn't bring myself to buy a GTO - they ruined that car when they slapped a Pontiac nose on it. The Charger, on the other hand, is as good-looking as my 96 impala and has the cojones to back it up. I just wish I could order it with a hood scoop delete and steel wheels, or else have a selection of wheels to be dealer-installed.
 

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They Just Ran A Test On The 05 Gto And Gt Stang With Auto Trans The Gto Went 13.90 The Stang Went 14.40 .the 05 Stang 5 Speed Or 6 Speed Which Ever 1 They Have Went 13.30 And The Stang Went 13.80
 

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Car & Driver ran a 14.2 in the 1/4 mile @ 101 in the Charger R/T w Performance Group.
 

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Mustangs the cheapest of the lot and the GT has never been the mustangs "top end" model. So the GT and R/T's are pretty comparable as mid models.

.Charger R/T 5.7L = $29,995 base = 4100lbs = 350hp = 61.4hp/L = 11.7lbs:hp = $85:hp

.Mustang 3v 4.6L = $25,815 base = 3450lbs = 300hp = 65.2hp/L = 11.5lbs:hp = $86:hp
 

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If you want speed between these models--the charger,the gto and the mustang-----Lineup will be:1-- fastest first---New shelby mustang GT-500(probably low to mid 12's) 2---would be the Charger SRT-8(I'm guessing high 12's to very low 13's) 3--new gto(13.3-13.5) 4--new charger Daytona(high 13's) 5-new mustang gt(higher 13's) 6-charger r/t(higher 13's to low 14's). That's just IMO!! :happy:
 

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i understand everyone wants to compare the muscle of the new age, but is it really possible? the gto and mustang can be compared, but can the charger "truly" be compared these smaller cars. the charger is a full size car in every respect. if you doubt me on this - sit in the backseat of each car... the gto and mustang have small shelves as backseats, whereas my friends and family have plenty of room in the backseat.

anyway without the numbers....gto is the fastest by far, mustang and in a very close 3rd on this list the charger.

i have test drove each of the cars and love each of them (honestly), but i would have to get rid of the wife and kids with the stang and gto - i decided to keep the family after all.

if you really want to compare the charger to other cars - shouldn't it be with the tauras and the monte carlo (these cars are in the same class). hands down the charger takes that one.

hey just my 2 cents.
 

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The charger is only about 150 lbs heavier than the GTO. If it had an aluminum engine block like the GTO, their weights would be almost identical. So from a drag strip perspective, the GTO and the Charger are nearly identical, nevermind how many doors each one has. You can see this in the fact that the SRT8 will run neck and neck with the GTO. Once the SRT8 has been on the market for a year or two, I figure Dodge will start offering the 425 hp engine in the RT and maybe even the SE and SXT trim levels for the serious gearheads, and the cost of performance will come down.
 

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The charger is only about 150 lbs heavier than the GTO. If it had an aluminum engine block like the GTO, their weights would be almost identical. So from a drag strip perspective, the GTO and the Charger are nearly identical, nevermind how many doors each one has. You can see this in the fact that the SRT8 will run neck and neck with the GTO. Once the SRT8 has been on the market for a year or two, I figure Dodge will start offering the 425 hp engine in the RT and maybe even the SE and SXT trim levels for the serious gearheads, and the cost of performance will come down.
Pontiac's GTO specifications say the GTO is 3725 lbs.
The Charger SRT-8 is 4160 lbs, on several web reviews.
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So that?s just 435 lbs. So, add the weight difference of the engine and one passenger, and a 48qrt cooler filled with beer, hen your about the same weight.
I don't know if the cooler would fit in a GTO.
OK, the weight of the engine and one 180 lb adult passenger and one 105 lb kid.

I don?t know if those SRT-8 weights are correct but the Charger R/T weight is 4031 so that?s still 306 lb difference. The SXT only weighs 3800 lbs.
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Stonebreaker said:
The charger is only about 150 lbs heavier than the GTO. If it had an aluminum engine block like the GTO, their weights would be almost identical. So from a drag strip perspective, the GTO and the Charger are nearly identical, nevermind how many doors each one has. You can see this in the fact that the SRT8 will run neck and neck with the GTO. Once the SRT8 has been on the market for a year or two, I figure Dodge will start offering the 425 hp engine in the RT and maybe even the SE and SXT trim levels for the serious gearheads, and the cost of performance will come down.
Since when does the GTO weigh 4000lbs?!? It's in the 3750 range, nowhere near the weight your thinking.
 

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interesting weight issues, but why does the gto have such a small cabin in comparison. where is all that weight going? when you pull up next to a gto or mustang, from experience, it looks like the charger is going to swallow those cars, they are that much smaller to me!
 

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Hey, who did that spiffy overlay? And as I recall, every 100 is supposed to be good for a 10th of a second. Hey, and stone, how do you figure those that want an SRT to not be "serious gearheads". Do serious gearheads not want handling to match the performance?
And stopping to match the go? The cosmetic parts of an SRT are not the big expense.

Personally, I would not hold your breath waiting on that combo.
 

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GTO
Wheelbase, inches 109.8
Overall length, inches 189.8
Body width, inches 72.5
Overall height, inches 54.9
Front track width, inches 61.4
Rear track width, inches 62.1

Curb weight, indeed is 3725, almost

Charger dimensions

Wheelbase [in] 120.0 + 11 inches

Overall Length [in] 200.1 +10

Overall Width [in] 74.5 + 2 inches

Height [in} 58.2 + 3.3 inches

Track - Front [in] 63.0 + 1.6 inches

Track - Rear [in] 63.1 + 1 inch



Just to see. There, reformatted for easier understanding of the size difference
 
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