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Pedders is getting close to its 1 year anniversary with the LX communities and products. Even though we are actually nearly 3 years working on the LX product to get it ready. We have done the most thorough R&D than any 2 or 3 suspension companies combined on the LX. Here in brief are some of our accomplishments that now have been accepted into this great community:
1. All LXs have a seriously high amount of bump steer. This causes major toe change, which causes major tire wear concerns on all LXs. Our EP2113 bump steer kit is a simple and very reasonable install, and has made lots of LX owners very happy

2. OEM Front Radius rod bushings tearing. When we first started showing some of the issues we have found on the LX, this community reacted quite negatively. Posts like "why has there never been a radius rod bushing problem on the LX until Pedders appeared? " this was a fairly typical post and email. The answer was simple: No one was looking at it. The front end of the LX is plagued with all kinds of noise issues, and tire wear concerns. Thru posts, and hundreds and hundreds of one on one 28 point Pedders inspections, we have shown owners how to check them themselves. Checking them on an alignment rack can be hard. the above average alignment tech will never even check your tire pressures, let alone inspect your suspension system for you. So during our time on the boards, owners are finding, and getting Chrysler to replace them under their warranties on a daily basis. The advantage of our Pedders bushing is it is cheaper and hundreds of times better than the OEM units. Chrysler does not service this bushing. They replace the entire arm with the same non complaint, soft bushing. the handling improvements of our Pedders radius rod bushing is a very serious improvement for street, strip, and track.

3. Initially we mentioned the serious amount of movement the entire rear end assembly makes on all LXs. It can be 15mm (more than a 1/2inch) separate from the body. We call it step out. We were challenged to prove it, and we did. The rear cradle bushings may be the single most important bushing set to install for handling improvements. Also they are the most challenging to install.

4. Our struts and spring packages have been proven time and time again, to offer great looks, fantastic handling, and still maintain a very high level of road comfort. they have been a serious hit, and our touring package is doing quite well (front and rear coils, dampers all around and bumpster)


With the massive R&D that we have done starting years ago, we found issues that needed to be upgraded but will take some time. Well the time is VERY close. Let me introduce you to the new upper rear adjustable control arm made exclusively by Pedders:







The rear suspension is not adjustable, and is made out of aluminum. The side impacts from accidents break the lower trailing arm first, and the upper control arm second. Plus OEM only allows toe adjustability. We see tons of rear negative camber wear on lots of LX products. So for a year, we have been developing and researching a VERY strong steel control arm that already comes with our great poly bushings, but most importantly, they offer extreme amounts of camber adjustabliltiy. They are also very easy to install by the do it yourselfers.

These units will be perfect for the commercial, drag racing, road racing, street performance and LXs that want rear adjustability, strength, durability, and ease of installation. We have accomplished this for you.

Prices have not been established yet, and we are probably 3-4 months away from having product available for sale. But I just wanted all of you to be aware of what we are accomplishing.

As another note, next year, we will have the most sophisticated multi adjustable coil over that will be available for ALL types of driving experiences and needs. From street use, street performance, drag racing, and road racing. They will be a light year jump in strut technology for the LX community. This is all that I can say about this product line right now.

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Pedders is getting close to its 1 year anniversary with the LX communities and products. Even though we are actually nearly 3 years working on the LX product to get it ready. We have done the most thorough R&D than any 2 or 3 suspension companies combined on the LX. Here in brief are some of our accomplishments that now have been accepted into this great community:
1. All LXs have a seriously high amount of bump steer. This causes major toe change, which causes major tire wear concerns on all LXs. Our EP2113 bump steer kit is a simple and very reasonable install, and has made lots of LX owners very happy

2. OEM Front Radius rod bushings tearing. When we first started showing some of the issues we have found on the LX, this community reacted quite negatively. Posts like "why has there never been a radius rod bushing problem on the LX until Pedders appeared? " this was a fairly typical post and email. The answer was simple: No one was looking at it. The front end of the LX is plagued with all kinds of noise issues, and tire wear concerns. Thru posts, and hundreds and hundreds of one on one 28 point Pedders inspections, we have shown owners how to check them themselves. Checking them on an alignment rack can be hard. the above average alignment tech will never even check your tire pressures, let alone inspect your suspension system for you. So during our time on the boards, owners are finding, and getting Chrysler to replace them under their warranties on a daily basis. The advantage of our Pedders bushing is it is cheaper and hundreds of times better than the OEM units. Chrysler does not service this bushing. They replace the entire arm with the same non complaint, soft bushing. the handling improvements of our Pedders radius rod bushing is a very serious improvement for street, strip, and track.

3. Initially we mentioned the serious amount of movement the entire rear end assembly makes on all LXs. It can be 15mm (more than a 1/2inch) separate from the body. We call it step out. We were challenged to prove it, and we did. The rear cradle bushings may be the single most important bushing set to install for handling improvements. Also they are the most challenging to install.

4. Our struts and spring packages have been proven time and time again, to offer great looks, fantastic handling, and still maintain a very high level of road comfort. they have been a serious hit, and our touring package is doing quite well (front and rear coils, dampers all around and bumpster)


With the massive R&D that we have done starting years ago, we found issues that needed to be upgraded but will take some time. Well the time is VERY close. Let me introduce you to the new upper rear adjustable control arm made exclusively by Pedders:







The rear suspension is not adjustable, and is made out of aluminum. The side impacts from accidents break the lower trailing arm first, and the upper control arm second. Plus OEM only allows toe adjustability. We see tons of rear negative camber wear on lots of LX products. So for a year, we have been developing and researching a VERY strong steel control arm that already comes with our great poly bushings, but most importantly, they offer extreme amounts of camber adjustabliltiy. They are also very easy to install by the do it yourselfers.

These units will be perfect for the commercial, drag racing, road racing, street performance and LXs that want rear adjustability, strength, durability, and ease of installation. We have accomplished this for you.

Prices have not been established yet, and we are probably 3-4 months away from having product available for sale. But I just wanted all of you to be aware of what we are accomplishing.

As another note, next year, we will have the most sophisticated multi adjustable coil over that will be available for ALL types of driving experiences and needs. From street use, street performance, drag racing, and road racing. They will be a light year jump in strut technology for the LX community. This is all that I can say about this product line right now.

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mike
dms

looks good.:clap:

will it be cast steel or a tubular DOM design? and if its a welded tubular, will there be an gusset plates around the weld area? or is there confidence that its a low enough stress area to not need it? and roughly how much stronger will these (or are you shooting to have these tech in) over stock?


will be cool to see what other tubular style parts made in the future companies have planned. i know theres the control arms so far.... and now this by early 09.

i;ve only had experience with RKSports A-Arms that were tubular in design (autowise)....

they didnt fare too well with reg street use, but were great on the track





till this day rksport still never gave an answer:confused: ahh well. i guess thats the reason for so many questions and concerns with tubular vs cast/molded parts.

look forward to more info on these.
 

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looks good.:clap:

will it be cast steel or a tubular DOM design? and if its a welded tubular, will there be an gusset plates around the weld area? or is there confidence that its a low enough stress area to not need it? and roughly how much stronger will these (or are you shooting to have these tech in) over stock?


will be cool to see what other tubular style parts made in the future companies have planned. i know theres the control arms so far.... and now this by early 09.

i;ve only had experience with RKSports A-Arms that were tubular in design (autowise)....

they didnt fare too well with reg street use, but were great on the track





till this day rksport still never gave an answer:confused: ahh well. i guess thats the reason for so many questions and concerns with tubular vs cast/molded parts.

look forward to more info on these.
Pedders does more R&D than anyone in the business. There R&D department is substantial. to elude that our control arm bushing will do what the picture you showed is not appropriate. Pedders is not release a product like this, unless it is way beyond normal stress issues. Keep in mind the OEM unit is aluminum. The strength of this unit will go way beyond OEM. The weakest unit in the rear is the lower trailing arm. They are the first thing to break on any kind of impact. So I would put this part on my LX or anyone's LX that I know of. NO WORRIES MATE!!


Now this product will be produced. The unit pictured will be tortured, and forced to break to see what level it will fail at. So I would expect them mid next year, along with our Monotube 30 way Adjustable coil over. This coil over will be the highest state of the art coil over for the LX ever produced

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Thanks for the updates and "sneak peeks", Mike! :grin:




:ninja: ummm... :shifty: ... any more updates on the front, AWD struts yet? :nervous s


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Pedders does more R&D than anyone in the business. There R&D department is substantial. to elude that our control arm bushing will do what the picture you showed is not appropriate. Pedders is not release a product like this, unless it is way beyond normal stress issues. Keep in mind the OEM unit is aluminum. The strength of this unit will go way beyond OEM. The weakest unit in the rear is the lower trailing arm. They are the first thing to break on any kind of impact. So I would put this part on my LX or anyone's LX that I know of. NO WORRIES MATE!!


Now this product will be produced. The unit pictured will be tortured, and forced to break to see what level it will fail at. So I would expect them mid next year, along with our Monotube 30 way Adjustable coil over. This coil over will be the highest state of the art coil over for the LX ever produced

mike
dms
you mean ALLUDE??

i must question did you thouroughly read my post with concerns or just skim over it, brah????

also this isnt about the bushings..... this is about the tube (red) sections of the product you stated will be coming out.

Sorry if i come off as irritated, but Via PM, you just wrote and said and i quote:

I did not see any questions. If you have some, please advise me.

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mike
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sorry if this is a bit harsh, but this is why i questioned above did you read the post. i posted all my questions FIRST, they end in a question mark (?), and you said you did not see any questions.......how could you not see em?:slap:;):biggrinjester: you replied at 10:27pm, you pm'ed me at 10:28pm. so you had to read my questions before you pm'ed me.


my post isnt ALLUDING that your product is weak or will break. Mike, DMS....c;mon, brah. seriously. it was simply showing, my last experience with tubular parts from a reputable company didnt turn out so well. i believe i stated this VERY CLEARLY: ;)

i;ve only had experience with RKSports A-Arms that were tubular in design (autowise)....

they didnt fare too well with reg street use, but were great on the track. till this day rksport still never gave an answer ahh well. i guess thats the reason for so many questions and concerns with tubular vs cast/molded parts.
In no way manner or form, did i ALLUDE that pedders products are inferior and will end up like my rksport a-arms did. if thats what you saw, dont ASSUME. That as well is NOT APPROPRIATE either. please. i'm simply trying to get more info on the product.


Back to my questions, which ALL were not really answered in your reply:

Question #1
-will it be cast steel or a tubular DOM design?


Question #2
-and if its a welded tubular, will there be gusset plates around the weld area?


Question #3
-or is there confidence that its a low enough stress area to not need it?
this is in reference to using gusset plates around the welded areas (if they are welded and not cast or solid)....

Question #4
-and roughly how much stronger will these (or are you shooting to have these tech in) over stock?



Basically this seems a bit easier than the current bushings offered for camber adjustment. these seem to be a bit more "user friendly" at an autoX track for adjusting. so i have a legit interest in em. just wanted more info on em.

the sales pitches about "we do the most R&D than anyone in the business"... stuff like that i cant prove, nor can anyone really.... and really many other companies make that claim.


not being rude, but sell me on the product in question, not on pedders the company and its achievements. if a product works, i'll use it. simple as that ;):beerchug:
 

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you mean ALLUDE??

i must question did you thouroughly read my post with concerns or just skim over it, brah????

also this isnt about the bushings..... this is about the tube (red) sections of the product you stated will be coming out.

Sorry if i come off as irritated, but Via PM, you just wrote and said and i quote:




sorry if this is a bit harsh, but this is why i questioned above did you read the post. i posted all my questions FIRST, they end in a question mark (?), and you said you did not see any questions.......how could you not see em?:slap:;):biggrinjester: you replied at 10:27pm, you pm'ed me at 10:28pm. so you had to read my questions before you pm'ed me.


my post isnt ALLUDING that your product is weak or will break. Mike, DMS....c;mon, brah. seriously. it was simply showing, my last experience with tubular parts from a reputable company didnt turn out so well. i believe i stated this VERY CLEARLY: ;)



In no way manner or form, did i ALLUDE that pedders products are inferior and will end up like my rksport a-arms did. if thats what you saw, dont ASSUME. That as well is NOT APPROPRIATE either. please. i'm simply trying to get more info on the product.


Back to my questions, which ALL were not really answered in your reply:

Question #1
-will it be cast steel or a tubular DOM design?


Question #2
-and if its a welded tubular, will there be gusset plates around the weld area?


Question #3
-or is there confidence that its a low enough stress area to not need it?
this is in reference to using gusset plates around the welded areas (if they are welded and not cast or solid)....

Question #4
-and roughly how much stronger will these (or are you shooting to have these tech in) over stock?



Basically this seems a bit easier than the current bushings offered for camber adjustment. these seem to be a bit more "user friendly" at an autoX track for adjusting. so i have a legit interest in em. just wanted more info on em.

the sales pitches about "we do the most R&D than anyone in the business"... stuff like that i cant prove, nor can anyone really.... and really many other companies make that claim.


not being rude, but sell me on the product in question, not on pedders the company and its achievements. if a product works, i'll use it. simple as that ;):beerchug:
This unit is quite stoutly. Can you tell me what other manfacturer of suspension components is active on this forum like Pedders. Were are here to stay ad support this great community. I am not sure what info you would require after your previous bad experiences. But I can tell you Pedders wll try and break upgraded upper control arm. They have already compare the strength of the OEM part to this one, Life is too short. This unit will be manufactured to be 3-4 times stronger than OEM AT A minimum

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This unit is quite stoutly. Can you tell me what other manfacturer of suspension components is active on this forum like Pedders. Were are here to stay ad support this great community. I am not sure what info you would require after your previous bad experiences. But I can tell you Pedders wll try and break upgraded upper control arm. They have already compare the strength of the OEM part to this one, Life is too short. This unit will be manufactured to be 3-4 times stronger than OEM AT A minimum

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good to hear its stoutly. i believe you there. keep in mind when people see two pictures, it really doesnt do sizing much justice.

that last line.... works for me, brah. as long as it lives up to that, i dont think i can ask for much more outside the actual performing proof, which we have to wait till its available for purchase. :bigthumb:

anything i add to my car, the main garuntee that i ask for, is that it works, and i can go somewhere and get back home. the basics really. thats not asking much for any aftermarket part really.

can i ask this, directly....? will there be some sort of strength comparison showing when the stock ones fail? like a certain force level?


as for other places of suspension components, not to turn this into a "who bettah than Kanyon!?" type ordeal.... but i can't overlook Razors Edge Motorsports when i purchase suspension parts anymore than i could pedders realistically. They offer excellent products, as does pedders, and outside of bushings, there are many options that are on the same level as yours currently. many members here, run both simultaneously.

-you all have sway links, they do as well.

-bump steer kits, you all do through relocating the steering rack, they do it by the traditional tie rod end replacement---which is very popular in racing applications. and they've done the same testing as pedders here.

-they also now offer their brand lowering springs.

-their front and rear strut braces and under chassis braces, cant be overlooked and are very beneficial short of adding a roll cage for chassis stiffness.

-you have coilovers coming out, they offer coilovers, granted made by KW & Eibach. Those companies have done a great deal of R&D, are top quality, and also offer different spring rates and valving options (you can get stiffer valving or spring rates via the respective company).

-they also offer front control arm replacements with adjustable camber. which if i remember correctly, you guys offer an adjustable bushing to work with the stock control arms.... unless you have released a front control arm that i am not aware of?

point being there are many companies doing R&D. you sell some things that REM doesnt sell and they sell some things that pedders doesnt sell. but as a consumer and being honest, i dont see one company magically better than the other in the suspension department. just being honest.;):bigthumb::beerchug:
 

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I wish we had more adjustable parts like these for the GTO!
 

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I wish we had more adjustable parts like these for the GTO!
We have all kinds of great stuff for the GTO. We now have a lower control arm adjusting front camber bushing to go with our camber adjusting bushing for the rear.

the GTO has full camber caster adjustability. The LX does not
Here is a picture of the 2 adjusting bushings. The shorter one is for the lower control arm for the front


Here is the front lower control arm busing installed



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I want the adjustable spring purch for the rear Mike.
Like the G8 has so I can adjust my ride hide whenever I want.
It would also be nice to have adujustable shocks in the rear so we can adapt to track conditions a little better.

I have Strange adjustables on the mustang and they are great but I keep breaking them.
 

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I want the adjustable spring purch for the rear Mike.
Like the G8 has so I can adjust my ride hide whenever I want.
It would also be nice to have adujustable shocks in the rear so we can adapt to track conditions a little better.

I have Strange adjustables on the mustang and they are great but I keep breaking them.
Pedders will have our new eXtreme Xa coil over set available very soon for the LX, GTO, G8, Camaro, Mustang, and the majority of the foreign rides.
It is a monotube design with a 30 way adjustable shock. The ride heights are adjusted separate from the spring seat. this is a huge advantage. Also with the 30 way adjustable shock, each adjustment is on a detent. this offers more precise and duplicateable settings.

Here is a link so you can get more info and see it
http://www.peddersusa.com/products/6



So is there anything else we can do for you?

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Sure.....wrong site but get me some Ford parts!

(we can do this all day long but I'll refrain from further thread jacks! HA HA! I'll take it to the Pedders forum)
 

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But have you joined the Peddersfest Face Book group yet?
I don't see you as a member yet.....GET ON IT! lol!
 

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anyone have info on these arms

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The rear suspension is not adjustable, and is made out of aluminum. The side impacts from accidents break the lower trailing arm first, and the upper control arm second. Plus OEM only allows toe adjustability. We see tons of rear negative camber wear on lots of LX products. So for a year, we have been developing and researching a VERY strong steel control arm that already comes with our great poly bushings, but most importantly, they offer extreme amounts of camber adjustabliltiy. They are also very easy to install by the do it yourselfers.

These units will be perfect for the commercial, drag racing, road racing, street performance and LXs that want rear adjustability, strength, durability, and ease of installation. We have accomplished this for you.

Prices have not been established yet, and we are probably 3-4 months away from having product available for sale. But I just wanted all of you to be aware of what we are accomplishing.
 
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