I will take your challenge any time, but it will be under my terms....not yours.
18,000 miles of driving on your oil and then 18,000 miles on our oils with using ACES IV. ALS is the laboratory that does the evaluation...NOT Blackstone or Polaris!
Those are the conditions.:serious:
Regards,
Brian
BND Automotive LLC:driving:
440-821-9040
www.bndautomotive.com
I typically wouldn't run 18k on any oil I track a car with. 18k of driving would be almost 2 years, and I do 5-7 track events/year. It sounds like you’re suggesting your oil is only good for 18k of street driving.
So here's the deal. We can do this one of two ways.
1. We change the oil on a reasonable track minded schedule and test back to back, I pay for said testing, my oil and you provide your oil and whatever filter you want me to run. Less than 5k of street driving I'll do a track event, change oil and send out for testing. More than 5k of street I'll put fresh oil in prior to event and track. I'll then run until 6.5k or next track event. I'll run your oil like this for a total of 18k on the OD and then switch to either Redline or Amsoil. Or if you want we can switch off oils every oil change. I'll do everything reasonable to keep mileage consistant between events, but hey LIFE might happen.
2. I run 18k miles, no oil changes for track events, and I top up as needed with your oil. What's different, is you sign a personal guarantee with rights to go after your biz and personal assets so that if my motor fails, looses compression, begins to burn oil or has excessive metal due to your strict requirement to run 18k on a car that is tracked, you buy me a new motor. Not a rebuild, a new 392 full block from Dodge, plus the labor cost to swap out the motors. You can pick up the old block at your expense to inspect.
Condition of Car & Use
My car is 6 months old with 8k on the clock now and stock. I'm putting up a $55k car here, plus thousands of dollars in track time and risking the headaches of following your methodology. If we go with option
#2 I risk losing my 7year 85k warranty for failure to follow Dodge's service schedule.
My motor is fully broken in, consumes very little oil in 6.5k oil change and consumed a regular amount at the track. I track my cars on road courses, not drag strips. I do single and multi day events. My car is also taken on very hard mountain runs where for 3-5 hours the motor is pushed reasonably hard for street driving (5-6/10), sees high revs, oil temps pushing 260 on the street and .7-.8 lateral G's. On the track I push the car 8/10ths and exceed the g meter build into the car.
Testing & Reporting
BND will pay for a compression test by my local dealership, which I will report on for the baseline condition of the car. If requested, I will pay for a dyno run of my car as a baseline. A compression test and dyno run will again be performed after each oil is thoroughly tested. If
#1 option Brian and Rob will agree to when this happens as not to be cost prohibitive with 5-7k oil change.
I will start a thread that documents this over the course of this test. We will start with BND oil since the season is underway. I will provide pictures, and test results. I will document any problems caused during this test, and pictures of the internals of filters etc.
Testing will be done at two facilities. One of your choosing and one of mine. Results from both will be posted online. The cost of these tests will be paid for by me.
Service will be done by my local Dodge dealership. Any regular service will be reported on and paid for by me.
A log of driving events, mileage and oil changes will be documented in an excel sheet. Regular OD readings will be taken; information from the onboard temp gauge will be logged.
If during the course of the testing oil pressure drops dangerously low (as determined by SRT) and on BND oil. Test will be paused until cause is determined. BND will pay for oil change, testing and inspection by Dodge before testing resumes. If on OTS oil I will cover the cost of such inspection.
Oils
BND will provide agreed to oil quantity and filter in the same formulation for the course of this test.
Rob will provide Amsoil or Redline (whichever is agreed to) and MOPAR filter for the course of this test in the factory weight of 0w40.
Outcome:
If your oil holds up better than the Redline or Amsoil OTS oil, I will switch to purchasing your oil, make an apology on this forum and add to my signature a link to the thread outlining how your oil beat the other oils. You may also add a link on your website, use my results in marketing materials and request 1-3 interviews radio or video where I explain how I was converted to your product from a position of disbelief. I will add two decals up to 4x10 inches to the window of my car to promote your product.
If your oil doesn't outperform Redline or Amsoil OTS oil, you stop posting your sales pitch content on this site, you make a public apology, you place a link in your signature and on your website to the thread showing how your oil did not perform better then the following oils.
If running your oil in these conditions (
#2 option 18K no oil change) causes the replacement of the motor, you pay for all costs to replace, transport and provide me a rental car during the work. Work will be performed by my local Dodge dealership.
You waive all claims of damages against myself, my family, my business, etc for the results of these tests, impact to your business, brand, ability to earn an income etc.
Final Thoughts
Brain, this is how the testing will be done. It’ll be balanced and reasonable. Financial exposure to both of us, with the greatest risk to myself. I’m putting up the expensive car, paying for events, paying for testing, doing the oil changes etc. You are risking your company’s reputation, about $10-12k if the motor fails and the cost of the oil.
An alternative, is you lend to me your car for said testing and I will do this. This would limit your potential costs. I will treat it as my own, we could have an agreement in place to cover you but we'd be risking your asset not mine. I'd fly out there to pick up the car, and drive it back. I would run one way on your oil and one way on mine so we could compare both track, street and long distance driving.
While I'm firm with you online, largely because of your pitchiness I am a fair and reasonable guy. I consider this to be a fair and reasonable experiment/test of your product against others.
