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My Pedders Experience

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I hate to post bad reviews especially in situations like this where a supporting vendor is evolved but I have to be honest. I think my Pedder's setup is great and the car handles amazing but I had so many issues a long the way that it almost doesn't seem worth it to me now. First off let me say that Pedders and Mid Coast Performance (my local Pedder dealer) have the worst customer service I have ever delt with. It is so bad that it is laughable. Here is how it all went down.

Back on 5-15-08 I found out about a shop in the St. Louis area called Mid Coast Performance from this thread http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=114235 , turns out they were having some event called “Pedders Day”. The day after I found out about this shop I called them up to see if they would install a torque converter for me and setup an appointment for Friday 5-30-08.

The next week I ended up going to their Pedders Day on 5-24-08. I had a great time. I got some free food, a 28 point inspection and best of all I got to ride in shop Owner Gene’s Pedderized Charger R/T. I was very impressed with his car and told him I plan on doing some suspension work in the very near future. A few days after on 5-28-08 I called Gene and let him know I wanted to do the Full Track 2 setup. We agreed to have it started on 5-30-08 when I drop my car off for the torque converter install. The next day I found out that I wasn’t going to have my torque converter in time for the install so we agreed to push the appoint back to Monday June 2nd. Gene told me they could get started on the car Monday morning and it was a 2-3 day install with about 14-16 hours of labor. I told him I’d bring the converter up as soon as I got it so they could complete the install and he said that was fine.

On Monday June 2nd I drop my car off with Mid Coast Performance at 7:30 AM. The guy that was working when I dropped it off told me “We'll start working on it right away”. Two days later I finally get my torque converter, I rush it up to MCP and when I got there I noticed my car was parked in their lot in the exact same place I left it on Monday morning. I talk to the owner’s son Kurt who was working at the time. He told me they were waiting on parts and would have them in that afternoon and would start first thing Thursday morning and could possibly have the car done Friday evening or Saturday afternoon at the latest. I received no phone call from them telling me that they were even waiting on parts. I assumed since they were a Pedder’s dealer they should have had the parts especially since I made an appointment almost a week in advance. So I left the torque converter with them and waited.

On Friday June 6th I call them up in the afternoon wanting to know the current status of my car. Once again they tell me they are still waiting on parts and would have them Monday morning and that they would start on the car right away. At this point I got pretty angry. This is when I first contacted Pedders about this matter. I PMed Paul (Hemi4me) with all the details. He apologized for my inconvenience and he even agreed with me that it was totally unacceptable that they had my car with no parts and he told me he called the shop and forwarded my complaint to the shop owner. In a later PM he even told me that MCP mention nothing about having to wait on parts.

On Monday June 9th I received my first phone call from MCP. I was told they finally got the parts and would start working on my car right away.

Tuesday evening I call them up, not expecting my car to be done but just wanting to know how it was going. They said things were going great and the car would be done Wednesday afternoon. Great, I’m finally going to be getting my car back, WRONG!

June 11th, Wednesday afternoon I call them up to see if my car is done yet. They said they were still working on it and would be done by the end of the day and I could pick up the car on Thursday morning.

Thursday June 12th at 12:00 in the afternoon I get a phone call from MCP. They tell me my car still isn’t done and would be done no later than 3:00 PM. 3:00 PM rolls around and I heard nothing from them. I call their shop, no one answer. I tried a few more times with no luck. I then decided to take a ride up there. I get there and no one is even there. Now I was fuming. I went back home and PMed Paul and let him know what was going on. Later that day at 5:30 I call MCP and someone finally answers. I asked the guy if my car was done and he said he wasn’t sure and he would call me right back. A half hour goes by and no call. I then called him back. He tells me that the suspension is done and they will finish the torque converter by the end of the day. I asked him if they ran into any problems and why it took so long. He told me they didn’t run into any problems and with a smart a$$ tone to his voice told me “We just go the parts on Monday”. After this little talk I was wondering why they didn't have the converter done yet. They had the car for a week waiting on suspension parts, they couldn't have done the converter sometime that week? This lead me to believe that they were lying about not having the parts. They just didn't have time for me.

Finally it is Friday. MCP at this point has had my car for 11 days and I should finally be getting it back. I was really hoping that they would get my car done because I would be making a trip to Columbus that weekend. I call them up in the afternoon and they tell me they are still working on the torque converter and tranny cooler and it would be done by 5:00 PM. 5:00 PM rolls around and I call them and OMG it is actually done. I hurry up there. I write them a check for the job and prepare to leave. Before I left they told me that when they took the car for a test drive they could hear the exhaust clanking up against the car when they went over bumps because they couldn’t get the exhaust lined back up properly.

I drive the car home. The whole way home I hear the clank that they were telling me about. I would have made them fix the exhaust but I didn't have another 11 days for them to fix it so I decided to do it my self. I pull my car up on ramps when I got home. The first thing I noticed was all the clamps on the exhaust were loose. I re-aligned the exhaust and tightened everything down. I go to take the car for a test drive. I get about half way down my street and start hearing the clanking sound again coming from the rear of the car. I turn around and get my car back on ramps for further inspection. While checking the exhaust again I notice this,







A bolt without a nut on it. And Pedders is always saying how dangerous the OEM bushings are on these cars. Now this is dangerous. First I tried to call MCP but they were already gone. I then called Paul at Pedders. He told me he was sorry for all the trouble and told me I'd be better off talking to Pete. I let him know I'd PM Pete and try to talk to him in person if I was able to make the trip to Columbus. I then had to drive up to the hardware store to buy a washer and a nut. I get home and put the new nut on. While I was under the car I decided to check all the other bolts because I was preparing for a long trip to Columbus and I want to make sure my car was safe before I drove it that far. To my surprise, I ended up finding 2 more loose bolts that I had to tighten down. Words couldn't even describe how angry I was at this point.

In the end, I was able to make my trip to Columbus. When I first saw Pete, I went over to him and told him about what happened. He apologized a few times but would always change the subject and start telling me about how great the guys are over at MCP. IMO he didn't seem to think my issue was a big deal at all. Even after Columbus we went back and forth on some PMs and I still got the sense from him that he didn't really care.

While in Columbus I asked Pete if he'd inspect my car to make sure I wasn't having any other issues. He had his guys get under my car and check everything out. They found yet another loose bolt and even worse they notice I'm leaking tranny fluid. We traced the source of the leak and it was coming from the tranny cooler. They didn't tighten the clamps on the hoses that go into the tranny cooler. We tighten the clamps up as much as we could. The next day Eric (hemi31) was nice enough to check my tranny fluid for me. He said I was probably at least a quart low. So I ended up having to add another quart. Later when I got home I actually found out that I was still a 1.5 quarts low.

I thought all my troubles were finally fixed, wrong again. About 2 weeks ago I started hearing another clanking sound, this time from the front. I couldn't figure out what it was so I decided to let MCP take a look at it. I call them up on a Wednesday afternoon and tell about my issues. Once again they still didn't seem that concerned and acted like this is all normal. I told them I need them to look at my car ASAP. I told them I'd be available on Friday or Saturday. They told me I could drop my car off early Friday morning and they'd have it fixed by Saturday. I'm like wait just a minute, you don't even know what is wrong with my car and you are already telling me you'll need it for 2 days? This to me sounded like they don't care about me and they just want me to drop it off so they can work on it when it is convenient for them. I told them how about I bring the car in and look at it with you and if it is an easy fix we'll fix it right away. If it is something worse, I'll leave the car with them. They agreed to this. I brought the car up there first thing Friday morning. We get it up on the left and they re-tighten every bolt on the car. We saw the front sway bar move a little when we tightened up one of the bolts, so we suspect that was the culprit. Now the car is acting fine...... for now. Lets hope it stays that way.

In conclusion to my big review I must say that even to this day I am still extremely angry with both Pedder's and MCP. Because of them, I feel I risked my life driving my car with faulty suspension and because of them I almost destroyed my tranny and my car. They cost me a ton of time, money and head aches. They can try and sugar coat this all they want but what I have said actually happened to me and is 100% true. Although I mostly blame MCP for all of this, I think Pedders deserves a little credit too because their lack of efforts to resolve my issues and the fact that they brag so much about their highly trained Pedder's dealers. It's not even like I'm the first LX they have worked on, they've done about 3 or 4 LXs and at least 1 Track 2 before mine. Till this day, I still have yet to get an apology from MCP, they seem to care less about my issues than Pedders does. Pedders and MCP both make out like this isn't a big deal well IMO this is a huge deal. I don't care how complex the Pedders system is, when I am paying someone $5k+ for a job I want it done right. MCP knew there was clanking coming from the car when they gave it back to me because they told me about it. This is totally unacceptable.
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I told both Pedders and MCP that I feel I deserve some compensation for all the time, money and head aches they caused me.
You never spoke to me about compensation. NEVER.

In my years of business I have found that there are three forms of the truth. There is the customer's truth. There is the business owner's truth. Then there is reality -- the real truth. It is wise to never make a decision on any one half of the truth. I will make no other comments on this post as it would serve no end and can only reflect poorly on metgo, MCP and Pedders.
sorry you had to go thru all that chit... glad to hear your back on the road:beerchug:
this should be documented.

we should call it....

PEDDER FILES
Sad.

Are you sure it wasn't a Chrysler/Dodge Dealership you went to? :biggrinjester:


Seriously though. Pete is correct in the three forms of truth. This is in no way implying that anyone is a liar. It is just facts as the observer percieves them.

Bottom line seems that Metgo did not get the service that he expected nor the service that Pete expected him to get.

Hopefully it will be adressed internally and privatly between Metgo, MCP and Pedders so that this does not happen again and so that all parties have a chance to prevent unfair public hazing.

On a side note: This is the exact reason why I want to buy the Track II parts and the proper tools and do the install myself. I have 100% confidence that Pedders has engineered a great product, the more I can remove human error and ignorance between the engineers and my car the better IMO.
yeah I can beleive all this. Pedders struts around a little to ****y for me.
I can't believe that, metgo. What a nightmare.

Makes no sense to my why they would let you drop off your car if they didn't even have the parts. Why not call you when they got the parts in, so you weren't without your car for no reason?

Sheesh! :jeez:

-=FLEX=-
x2. Dang. When they said they didnt have parts, you should've taken your car and told them to give you a call when the parts get in...you must be "BALLIN." But anyway, sorry that you went through all of this..live and learn I guess. Hope it rides sweet. After installing the bolt, was the clanking gone, and how is the ride now? Hope its GREAT!!
Metgo, Again as I've said, I'm sorry for your experience with MCP, while i do not know them personally, i haven't heard any bad things about them over the past year.

Best I can do is apologize and assure you that your issues are important to us, and your experience is not the normal Pedders Experience. We do make mistakes as we're not perfect, but we (Pedders Dealers as a whole) go out of our way to make sure that every customer is taken care of in a respectable, and prompt manner.

Again, I'm sorry, and I'm happy that in the end you have a Pedderized car that you can be proud of and enjoy, regardless of troubles that you have already been through.

As I stated in the PM's we had, you can contact me any time if you have questions about anything.
That is all Pedders has done, is apologize. When you are talking about a lot of money and people putting their life and car in danger an apology just isn't good enough. Every time Pete apologized to me it reminded me of when I was a kid and I'd beat my brother up and my parents would make me say sorry. I didn't mean it, I just said it because I had to.

You never spoke to me about compensation. NEVER.

In my years of business I have found that there are three forms of the truth. There is the customer's truth. There is the business owner's truth. Then there is reality -- the real truth. It is wise to never make a decision on any one half of the truth. I will make no other comments on this post as it would serve no end and can only reflect poorly on metgo, MCP and Pedders.
Not only did I tell you in person that I think I deserve some compensation, I also told you in a few PMs. But apparently you don't check your PMs. Besides, in a situation as bad as this, I shouldn't even need to tell you I deserve compensation, it should be implied.

x2. Dang. When they said they didnt have parts, you should've taken your car and told them to give you a call when the parts get in...you must be "BALLIN" But anyway, sorry that you went through all of this..live and learn I guess. Hope it rides sweet. After install the bolt, was the clanking gone, and how is the ride now? Hope its GREAT!!
The reason I didn't take the car back when they told me they didn't have the parts is because they said the parts were on the way and they'd have them that afternoon.
As was mentioned on another forum, what other possible side of the story is there Pete? That metgo put down $5k and days of down time, so he could unscrew some bolts, just to f**k with you? I think you overestimate your importance. I too had planned on making the several hour trek to St. Charles, MO for a several thousand dollar Touring Suspension once my Sidewinder was tuned. That's toast now.
Hopefully it will be adressed internally and privatly between Metgo, MCP and Pedders so that this does not happen again and so that all parties have a chance to prevent unfair public hazing.
I guess we are beyond that now. :confused:
As was mentioned on another forum, what other possible side of the story is there Pete? That metgo put down $5k and days of down time, so he could unscrew some bolts, just to f**k with you? I think you overestimate your importance. I too had planned on making the several hour trek to St. Charles, MO for a several thousand dollar Touring Suspension once my Sidewinder was tuned. That's toast now.
Whoah - that caught my eye. What the heck has been said about unscrewing bolts....?
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Sorry, should have said nuts.



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Sorry, should have said nuts.



Hey, no - that's OK - I knew what you meant. I wondered where the 'he undid stuff' (or whatever) came from. Has there been an accusation that metgo loosened/undid nuts/bolts just to cause problems?!?!?!?
Hey, no - that's OK - I knew what you meant. I wondered where the 'he undid stuff' (or whatever) came from. Has there been an accusation that metgo loosened/undid nuts/bolts just to cause problems?!?!?!?
I think it was brought up rhetorically.
that worries me, I was considering having a pedders kit installed. if they're not climbing down the throat of a shop doing lousy work, then their reputation is on the line.
that worries me, i was considering having a pedders kit installed. If they're not climbing down the throat of a shop doing lousy work, then their reputation is on the line.
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His life was never in danger. A lower rear shock but was left off or not tightened properly. The lower rear shock bolt is under load even when the car in on a lift with the wheels at full droop. In a worst case scenario the bolt falls out and the shock is trapped in the lower control arm pocket. It makes noise and does little else. That is the fact of the matter. It is also a fact that the mistake was made. The shop apologised. MCP apologised. The car was fixed. That should have been the end of the story. It wasn't. Being Pedders when the car showed up at the LX Nationals were inspected it. Eric from Backstreet performance crawled around in the dirt on the ramps to the dyno and checked every bolt in the suspension. Eric is built like a fireplug and found a nut he could tighten a bit more. To be very clear, there was no customer issue with the suspension at this point, we were just making sure. That turns into my car is falling apart and MCP sucks. We continue to provide free dyno and A/F pulls. That turns into FREE dyno services aren't good enough because the graph isn't large enough and why don;t you reprint it foir me. By the time he left the display he wasn't happy nor were any of the Dealers, nor was I. Then we end up with a noise weeks later that may have been the front sway bar bracket, but no one is certain there wasn't really anything wrong on the last shop inspection. Keep in mind, there are numerous posts on this forum and other LX forums of 100% box stock LXs various noises. When you touch a suspension, you have to be prepared to own every noise it makes after that. Pedders and our Dealer assume that role and risk. So now the customer leaves the shop after everything has been rechecked for the I don't know how many times and appears to be happy until the post we see here.

Enough is enough. The customer NEVER asked for or discussed any form of 'compensation' for his headaches and time with Pedders until he posted in multiple forums. It was never even hinted at. He could not and should not have been expecting a phone call from Pedders for two weeks, because there was no conversation, PM, email or any other type of exchange regarding compensation. Everything the customer asked for we gave him. Everything. Are we giving him something after this flaming thread -- other than his warranty for his bits and installation at any of the Pedders Dealers nationwide that he already had -- no.

Btw, the last conversation I had with this customer he told me he loved his Pedderised LX. That was after the Pedders track-side service at the Nationals when he was in line to make one last pass down the drag strip. He knows this is accurate. He knows exactly what I think of this post. He has never called to discuss anything in the last two weeks or made any attempt at any communication with Pedders in this time.

So what have we learned? We know that Pedders will be on this forum and in this community in good times and in bad. We know that mistakes happen and that Pedders sees to it they are corrected. Pedders honors our warranty and is committed to customer service. That doesn't mean it makes everyone happy. There are five in four years that are not. Would I like it to have been four -- absolutely.

If you choose to Pedderise your LX, know that you will recieve the best possible service from our Dealer Network with the support of Pedders corporate. Will you be satisfied with your Pedders bits and installation -- statistically the answer is yes. We are viturally perfect achieving 99.999%. The shame of it is we have failled at all in being perfect in this area. As I have done on this forum and others here is my mobile phone number 616.834.8100. Here is my office number 248.522.8021. Here is my email [email protected] If you have any issue wioth Pedders that cannot be resolved at the Dealer level feel free to call me.
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damn reading all of this makes me thank god for the experience that im going through now. i dropped my srt 8 off at a place called vengeance racing in cumming ga and so far so good. as some of you said i have been treated like a king so far. granted it has only been a day for them on my track 2 but like i have said earlier so far so good. we will see this thursday.
damn reading all of this makes me thank god for the experience that im going through now. i dropped my srt 8 off at a place called vendeance racing in cumming ga and so far so good. as some of you said i have been treated like a king so far. granted it has only been a day for them on my track 2 but like i have said earlier so far so good. we will see this thursday.
You sure your car is there. I thought I saw it in Knoxville today.:confused:
You sure your car is there. I thought I saw it in Knoxville today.:confused:
ha ha ryan if that is so then where is my bee
ha ha ryan if that is so then where is my bee
I knew that would get your attention. The Bee is sleeping. Hope the Pedders works out for you.
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