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My wife and I are moving to Idaho and I'm going to want to get some monster winter/all weather tires since we'll be in a very rural area and in snow country. I like the look of the Police steelies (and some off-road truck wheels that are similar) but I cannot seem to find something that matches our 5x115 lug pattern in a wider wheel of similar design.

I know the Charger is competent enough for winter (and light all-terrain duty), we did some light off roading in CO in my '16 R/T going to and from the cabin (didn't realize how off the pavement it was at first!) and town so I've got some basic experience on how well the Charger performs off pavement and in inclement weather--which is to say it performs excellently. It was quite impressive actually with my all-season Nittos.

I have some ancillary questions related to this.
  • Would a 17" or 18" wheel be preferable for this application? (aka more wire and less wheel vs my OEM 20's)
  • How much of a difference will the wheel size matter with the Police brakes? Gonna do that conversion as well.
  • What sort of offset should I be on the lookout for? I'd like wide and fat but not so much that it'll rub.
  • I'm assuming the speedo calculation won't be affected? I'm getting a tuner anyway not that this matters...
 

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Wider tires aren’t better in snow. Narrow tires glide through snow better. Wide tires plow through snow which isn’t ideal.
 

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He's right. Stay stock size on the tried and true winter tire offerings. Get some budget wheels you like. Police steels are ok and the lug nuts to hold the caps on are not cheap. But deals pop up occasionally.
 
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Thanks for the replies. Good to know about the width. Here in Texas we get snow, just not much of it so my knowledge regarding snow tires is non-existent. LOL We get more ice than anything in the winter. I'll probably just will get the police steelies with some good tires then.

I'm still wanting some suggestions on other wheels that would be in that style, I like options. And things like offset would be important if I go non-factory I suppose.
 

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Thanks for the replies. Good to know about the width. Here in Texas we get snow, just not much of it so my knowledge regarding snow tires is non-existent. LOL We get more ice than anything in the winter. I'll probably just will get the police steelies with some good tires then.

I'm still wanting some suggestions on other wheels that would be in that style, I like options. And things like offset would be important if I go non-factory I suppose.
Get the Police Steelies..the BR9 brakes will fit with those, any other wheel in the 18" size would be a gamble.. I had to grind down the balance weights on my factory 18's to make them fit
 

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Get the Police Steelies..the BR9 brakes will fit with those, any other wheel in the 18" size would be a gamble.. I had to grind down the balance weights on my factory 18's to make them fit
Thanks Krautmaster. (y)

Any ideas if a 245 tire will fit that 18x7.5" police steelie or is 235 is the limit?
 

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Check out Tire Rack for wheel size and fitment. The police cars I used had 245/55x18, and the diameter is close to stock; 28.6". For hard pavement underneath, the thinner the tire the better. This assuming that you are using a highly rated tire though. Most cars, usually RWD, have bad reps because of lousy tires.
 

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Check out Tire Rack for wheel size and fitment. The police cars I used had 245/55x18, and the diameter is close to stock; 28.6". For hard pavement underneath, the thinner the tire the better. This assuming that you are using a highly rated tire though. Most cars, usually RWD, have bad reps because of lousy tires.
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Thanks Krautmaster. (y)

Any ideas if a 245 tire will fit that 18x7.5" police steelie or is 235 is the limit?
245/55/R18 will fit and that would be the safe limit on them. In fact this what FCA started putting on them in later years to match other fleet vehicles. Some have put 255 on there but I do spirited driving and do not like the idea of stretch tires.
 
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245/55/R18 will fit and that would be the safe limit on them. In fact this what FCA started putting on them in later years to match other fleet vehicles. Some have put 255 on there but I do spirited driving and do not like the idea of stretch tires.
Good to know thank you.
 

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I really like the old fashioned steelies for my Charger project as I mentioned earlier, but literally all I could find in a month of searching was the AWD Pursuit steelies. I’d love to get a set of these 18x9 or 20x9 I don’t care. 7.5” is just not wide enough I think for my summer set. I want to get these pursuit steelies for winter duty so thanks all for the above help. Maybe you all can help me find a set of summer wheels like this below.


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Long ago...,..... people would actually have the wheels cut and widened. Expensive? Maybe, but you can get what you want then.
 

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Long ago...,..... people would actually have the wheels cut and widened. Expensive? Maybe, but you can get what you want then.
I think it has gotten harder to find places that do that since few steel wheels seem to be on the street anymore, but maybe Stockton Wheel?

I think the best way to do this would be new barrels with the stock center. Plus you can then set the offset to whatever you need.
 
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I think it has gotten harder to find places that do that since few steel wheels seem to be on the street anymore, but maybe Stockton Wheel?

I think the best way to do this would be new barrels with the stock center. Plus you can then set the offset to whatever you need.
So, how safe is this really? It would be epic though to have an 18x9.5 in the front and an 18x10.5 out back. I bet it’s expensive. Perhaps I should settle for either these pursuit steelies or the wider demon replicas and let it just be it.
 

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So, how safe is this really? It would be epic though to have an 18x9.5 in the front and an 18x10.5 out back. I bet it’s expensive. Perhaps I should settle for either these pursuit steelies or the wider demon replicas and let it just be it.
It's safe enough that people have been doing it since the 60's. Considering the robotics used nowadays in the widening process, it's even more safe.

The problem with widening a steel wheel is backspacing. They widen most wheels to the inside making the backspacing deeper causing clearance issues in most situations.

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It's safe enough that people have been doing it since the 60's. Considering the robotics used nowadays in the widening process, it's even more safe.

The problem with widening a steel wheel is backspacing. They widen most wheels to the inside making the backspacing deeper causing clearance issues in most situations.

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Good point about the back spacing. Ugh. I guess I’ll just get the demon replicas in 20x9.5 and 20x10.5.
 

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The problem with widening a steel wheel is backspacing. They widen most wheels to the inside making the backspacing deeper causing clearance issues in most situations.
That isn’t completely true.

With a one piece wheel like an aluminum wheel, there is no option other than cutting the barrel of the wheel and adding material towards the inside. This completely changes the offset/backspacing, generally in a negative way.

But with a steel wheel there is the option of cutting the welds holding the center to the barrel and swapping it into a deeper/bigger barrel. This is what people used to do years ago to get a 15" steel wheel. The old 14" Mopar wheels used the same center as the 15" wheels so it was a simple process to duplicate an OEM 15" wheel, or build one that was never offered such as a 15x7 wheel with the small bolt A-Body 5x4 bolt pattern.

With this option, the offset/backspacing and be specified simply by moving center in or out on the new barrel before welding them together. Certainly there are limitations depending on the shape of the barrel. This is where the old "reversed" wheel came from. They would cut the welds on the center, reverse it and weld it back on. This offset the wheel to the outside, reversing the backspacing.

The one issue is, if you can’t get a barrel in the size you want, then it might not be doable. Not sure they make a 20” barrel (as an example), and if they do, the middle of the barrel still has to be the right size to fit the center you want to use. Similarly, they might not make a 10.5" wide barrel in an 18" diameter.

But, since you only want to go wider, there is no reason they couldn't cut the existing barrel and widen it to the widths requested and then move the center in to achieve the offset/backspacing you would need. Not going to say it will be cost effective, but it is far from impossible.

I've always like the look of a steel wheel with a center cap. I say do it! :) (Always easy to spend other people money)
 
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That isn’t completely true.

With a one piece wheel like an aluminum wheel, there is no option other than cutting the barrel of the wheel and adding material towards the inside. This completely changes the offset/backspacing, generally in a negative way.

But with a steel wheel there is the option of cutting the welds holding the center to the barrel and swapping it into a deeper/bigger barrel. With this option, the offset/backspacing and be specified simply by moving center in or out on the new barrel before welding them together. Certainly there are limitations depending on the shape of the barrel.

The one issue with that is, if you can’t get a barrel in the size you want, depending on what you want, then it might not be doable. Not sure they make a 20” barrel, and if they do, the center still has to be the right size to fit the center. Similarly, they
Even with steel wheels and modern tech, most companies still only add a strip to the inside unless you pay stupid money to have it done the way you're describing. In most cases, it's tremendously more cost effective just to buy different wheels.

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Even with steel wheels and modern tech, most companies still only add a strip to the inside unless you pay stupid money to have it done the way you're describing. In most cases, it's tremendously more cost effective just to buy different wheels.

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To be clear, I transitioned from my iPad to my computer and edited my post pretty heavily. Your clip doesn't capture that, so you might want to read mine again.

Sorry about that.
 
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