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Sunday on the home frome a BBQ i was at a light and this 16 year old kid is jamin his radio loud as heck and just staring at me at the light. so figure let me teach this punk a lesson. light turned green, nailed it, then hey wait a minute. i pulled him by about 1/2 car in first gear, as soon as i hit second he started catching me. at the end of second he was about that 1/2 car in front of me.(never really race past second gear). Now im not makin any excuses, he did beat me, BUT he was by him self and i had 3 people in the car counting me 300lbs, 225lbs, 240lbs. maybe a lil more we did just leave the BBQ.


BMW 335 specs 300hp/300 torque
 

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you definatley had a weight handicap, would be nice to see the outcome under regular conditions :).

BTW the 335 is an animal, and it also doesnt take much to boost up the HP figures in that car, chip and exhaust is enough for an additional 80RWHP.. i really like the car but too bad you have to be the size of a chiuaua (SP?) to fit inside + it doesnt look half as good as the charger :p.

Like Eric said they are a mid 13's car, didnt belive until i saw one do a 13.7 run.
 

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Procede module and full catback by Vinshu ($2600.00 or so purchased in tandem) for the 335I will take it from 270hp/280tq (that is how much they are dynoing consistently so the car is underrated at 300/300) to 340hp/400tq!! A small blurb in the new Road & Track confirms this and the Procede module is plug and play.
 

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More reason to hate the bimmers. Such a simple, relatively cheap upgrade for such huge gains. And the car's been out for what, 12 minutes now?

Bastards.
 

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Guess I Better Not Even Bother With The New M3 When It Comes Out.
The Horse Power Wars Are Definatly Back It Seem Like A Car Comes Out On Year And The Next Year It Comes Out Its Already Faster. Example: From What I Have Read When The New Zo6 Comes Out It Will Be Faster Than The Beast Thats Out Wright Now. Im Suprised The 08 Srt's Arent Comming With The 6.3 Liter
 

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More reason to hate the bimmers. Such a simple, relatively cheap upgrade for such huge gains. And the car's been out for what, 12 minutes now?

Bastards.
Yeah but all the 3 Series BMW's have always had a strong aftermarket. With about $6000 in parts I could have put a turbo on my E36 M3 (95-99 body style) and taken it from 245 horsepower to about 500. Stock I was doing about 14.2 on the 1/4 mile with that. That was my first time at the track, and without ever really getting my launch down right.
 

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Procede module and full catback by Vinshu ($2600.00 or so purchased in tandem) for the 335I will take it from 270hp/280tq (that is how much they are dynoing consistently so the car is underrated at 300/300) to 340hp/400tq!! A small blurb in the new Road & Track confirms this and the Procede module is plug and play.
sounds like they are overated then. since BMW does their HP ratings at the wheels. as does mercedes, and others im sure. i dont know if they ever changed this practice or not.
 

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I was looking at the M5...I know, big difference, but decided to go with the SRT due to the price. Under 40g with 425 bhp with an awesome (and unique) look to it; all around winner. Oh, I can take family and friends around comfortably, try that with the 3 series.
 

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It'll be interesting to see how turbo upgrades go on those things as well. They initially had a problem keeping them cool and the oil was cooking. They added oil coolers on all turbos to correct the heating problem. At least we aren't the only ones with tuneability problems... Thing is they'll probably fix it for their customers where as DCX does what, oh leaves us in the cold again and again.....
 

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Bah.....there is always something quicker. If you live off of worrying about how fast the next guy is beside you, then you'll go bannanas.

I remember when SVT came out with the 99 Lightning at 360 HP. I was like Woah! I got one and liked it! Then Dodge came out with the V-10 truck and it was like Sh*t....now what do I do!!!!!?

In any case, you see BMWs a dime a dozen....you'll be lucky to see a dozen SRT-8s.

I just wonder how far the auto industry is going to push it before enough is enough. I mean, are we looking at 300 HP Toyota Corollas in the next 3 years?

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I wonder when the insurance companies are going to step in on these factory cars putting out so much horsepower. Now we are back up in the 500's!
 

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In any case, you see BMWs a dime a dozen....you'll be lucky to see a dozen SRT-8s.
First of all... you are comparing a particular model with a brand. You could say the exact opposite in favor of the BMW's.

"In any case, you see Dodge's a dime a dozen.... you'll be lucky to see a dozen BMW 335i's."

See what I'm saying? Both BMW 335i's and SRT8 chargers are pretty rare cars.

Also, the 335i's are pretty sweet. At dragtimes.com there are several in the mid to upper 12's with just a tune or just a tune and exhaust. That's crazy!

http://www.dragtimes.com/BMW--335i-Drag-Racing.html
 

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I don't think the ratings for German cars is at the wheels; I just think that the advertised ratings are much closer to the wheels than American cars. Maybe more efficient drivelines, I don't know but taking the standard parasitic loss from crank to rear wheel horepower that traditionally applies, it seems that almost all German cars are underrated.
 

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Sunday on the home frome a BBQ i was at a light and this 16 year old kid is jamin his radio loud as heck and just staring at me at the light. so figure let me teach this punk a lesson. light turned green, nailed it, then hey wait a minute. i pulled him by about 1/2 car in first gear, as soon as i hit second he started catching me. at the end of second he was about that 1/2 car in front of me.(never really race past second gear). Now im not makin any excuses, he did beat me, BUT he was by him self and i had 3 people in the car counting me 300lbs, 225lbs, 240lbs. maybe a lil more we did just leave the BBQ.
BMW 335 specs 300hp/300 torque
This is a good topic and lesson, never race with 4 full grown adults in the car. That puts the weight of the car above 5,000lbs, pushing your 1/4 mile times over 14 seconds. Dump the passengers, and race that bagel-getter again, and let us know the results.:lol:
 

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I wonder when the insurance companies are going to step in on these factory cars putting out so much horsepower. Now we are back up in the 500's!
Today's top cars are much more powerful than all but a small handful of cars from the 60s and most of those were dealer prepped like Yenko or someone.

In the early 60 Chrysler sold the RamChargers and MaxWedges from the factory that ran in the low 12s but they were really drag strip strippers.

Most of the generally accepted fastest FACTORY muscle cars of the 60s/70s were low 13 second cars.

Now that still makes them more powerful than today's low 13 second cars when you take into account the skinny, greasy tires they were launching with and the fact that they only had 3 or 4 gears.

50 FASTEST MUSCLECARS
# YEAR/MODEL ET/MPH ENGINE HP TRANS GEAR SOURCE
1 1966 427 Cobra [email protected] 427 8V 425 4-Speed 3.54 CC 11/65
2 1966 Corvette 427 [email protected] L72 427 425 4-Speed 3.36 CD 11/65
3 1969 Road Runner [email protected] 440 Six BBL 390 4-Speed 4.10 SS 6/69
4 1970 Hemi Cuda [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 3.54 CC 11/69
5 1970 Chevelle SS454 [email protected] 454 LS6 450 4-Speed 3.55 CC 11/69
6 1969 Camaro [email protected] 427 ZL1 430 4-Speed 4.10 HC 6/69
7 1968 Corvette [email protected] 427 6V 435 4-Speed 3.70 HC 5/68
8 1970 Road Runner 13[email protected] 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 SS 12/69
9 1970 Buick GS Stage I [email protected] 455 Stage I 360 automatic 3.64 MT 1/70
10 1968 Corvette 427 [email protected] L72 427 425 4-Speed 3.55 CD 6/68
11 1969 Charger 500 [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 4-Speed 4.10 HR 2/69
12 1968 Charger [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 automatic 3.23 CD 11/67
12 1970 Plymouth Superbird [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 ? ? ?
14 1968 Road Runner [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 automatic 3.55 CD 1/69
15 1973 Trans Am [email protected] 455 SD 310 automatic 3.42 HR 6/73
16 1969 Corvette [email protected] 427 L88 430 automatic 3.36 HR 4/69
17 1969 Super Bee [email protected] 440 Six Pack 390 automatic 4.10 HR 8/69
18 1969 Boss 429 Mustang [email protected] Boss 429 375 4-Speed 3.91 HC 9/69
19 1970 Challenger R/T [email protected] 440 Six Pack 390 automatic 3.23 CC 11/69
20 1970 Torino Cobra [email protected] 429 SCJ 370 automatic 3.91 SS 3/70
21 1968 Biscayne [email protected] 427 L72 425 4-Speed 4.56 SS 4/68
22 1964 Polara 500 [email protected] 426 4V 365 4-Speed 3.23 HC 2/64
23 1969 GTX [email protected] 440 4V 375 automatic 4.10 MT 1/69
24 1969 Dart 440 [email protected] 440 4V 375 automatic 3.55 CC 5/69
25 1971 Road Runner [email protected] 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 CC 1/71
26 1971 Cuda [email protected] 440 Six BBL 390 automatic 4.10 SS 4/71
27 1971 Corvette [email protected] 454 LS6 450 4-Speed 3.36 CL 8/71
28 1971 Super Bee [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 MT 12/70
29 1968 Hurst/Olds [email protected] 455 W-30 390 automatic 3.91 SS 8/68
30 1970 Hemi 'Cuda [email protected] 426 Hemi 425 automatic 4.10 MT 9/69
http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-50fast.shtml
 

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15 1973 Trans Am [email protected] 455 SD 310 automatic 3.42 HR 6/73

The last of the old-fashioned muscle cars!
 

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1986 Buick Regal Grand National 4.9 13.9
1987 Buick Regal GNX 4.7 13.5

2004 Cadillac CTS-V 5.1 13.4

1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.2 13.6

2002 Chevrolet Corvette (Lingenfelter 427 twin turbo) 1.97 9.24
2003 Chevrolet Corvette (50th Anniversary) Manual, 4.9 13.4 (R&T Aug. '02)
2005 Chevrolet Corvette C6 4.2 12.5 (chevrolet.com)
2006 Chevrolet Corvette ZO6 3.5 11.5 (MT Oct '05)

2005 Chrysler 300C 5.6 14.1
2005 Chrysler 300C SRT8 4.7 13.2 (R&T June '05)

1993 Dodge Viper RT/10 4.5 13.2
1996 Dodge Viper RT/10 5.0 13.2
1997 Dodge Viper GTS 4.0 12.2
1998 Dodge Viper GTS 4.1 12.2
1998 Dodge Viper RT/10 4.1 12.3
2001 Dodge Viper GTS ACR 4.3 12.6
1996-2002 Viper Hennessey Venom 1000TT 2.3 9.52
2003 Dodge Viper SRT-10 3.9 11.7

1999 Ford F-150 Lightning 5.8 14.3
2001 Ford F-150 Lightning 5.2 13.9
2005 Ford GT 3.6 11.78
2003 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.5 12.9
2004 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT 4.5 12.9
2007 Ford Mustang Shelby GT 5.0 13.6 (MT Online)
2007 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Convertible 4.5 12.9 (R&T Jan '06)
2001 Ford Mustang Roush Stage 3 4.3 12.9

1974 Ford Pinto 14.5 19.3

http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html
 

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MCaesar Quote:
Originally Posted by EricG
Sounds about right, on paper they are supposed to be [email protected] That's all an SRT8 will do on the street without the adaptives cleared.

Eric


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Try a run with a warm but not heat-soaked engine, without pulling fuse 11 and only the traction control off but ESP on and see what you get. I bet it would be mid 13s. I don't know if Bimmers require the same tinkering to produce their best times. Have you actually ever been to the track with your SRT8?

Eric
 
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