The car on ebay has not reached its " reserve price" yet, which means they fully expect to get sticker or above. If a dealer is willing to sell you one "on for invoice", if that is true you should buy one because thats about as good a deal as you will ever find... I work at a dodge dealer, and the most I have ever seen off on a
Magnum was $2000. that also included his $1000 incentive to finance through Chrysler....But really, it is way to early to tell as dealerships are just now getting initial shipments of the vehicle and Dodge is just now starting its marketing campaign. As far as new Mustangs, here in colorado they are advertising them at about a grand off. My buddy who works in a ford service dept. says that they are selling at or just a litttle below last years numbers. Ford says its a success

. Dodge predicts about 80,000 chargers to be sold in model year '06 which is a 16 month run...in contrast, they sold 100,000 intrepids in MY '04 which was a 12 month year. They also sell Magnums now as an alternative to a traditional sedan or SUV....lets see how things are going in mid-July, that should be a more realistic judge....