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Chrysler 300 SRT8 vs. Cadillac CTS V-Sport

SRT8 - $55,000
6.4 Liter hemi V8
470 HP/6000 RPM
470 lb-ft/4300 RPM
rear drive
5 speed automatic

Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar
245/45-20

200.3 length
120.2 wheelbase
74.2 width
58.3 height

53 cu ft front volume
49 cu ft rear volume
16 cu ft trunk space

4390 lbs. weight

V-Sport - $60,000
3.6 Liter twin turbo V6
420 HP/5700 RPM
430 lb-ft/3500 RPM
rear drive
8 speed automatic

Pirelli P Zero run flat
245/45-18 f
275/35-18 r

195.5 length
114.6 wheelbase
72.2 width
57.2 height

55 cu ft front volume
42 cu ft rear volume
14 cu ft trunk space

3966 weight

SPEED

SRT8
0-60 4.4
0-100 10.3
0-130 18.0
1/4 mile [email protected]
Top speed 175 mph

5-60 4.6
30-50 2.3
50-70 2.7

Skidpad 0.88
70-0 158-171 feet
EPA 14/23
test 15 mpg

V-Sport
0-60 4.4
0-100 10.5
0-130 18.5
1/4 mile [email protected]
Top speed 172 mph

5-60 4.8
30-50 2.5
50-70 3.2

Skidpad 0.97
70-0 149-154 feet
EPA 17/25
test ? mpg


The SRT8 is a little less expensive, slightly faster, and has more rear seat room.

The Caddy is lighter, much better handling, and better braking.


DATA:

http://media.caranddriver.com/files...iews-car-and-driver2012-chrysler-300-srt8.pdf

http://media.caranddriver.com/files...bo-v-62014-cadillac-cts-vsport-twin-turbo.pdf
 

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Interesting! I would go with the Cadillac hands down. Was the 60k model they tested well equipped or was it relatively bare? Cadillac gives the nice wider tires/wheels in the back...I'm still waiting for dodge to figure that one out.


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Big skid pad differences... I wonder if they shut the SRT's traction control all the way off.

For the 5k diff, I would def go with the caddy. Hell, at that price range, I might need 10k difference to jump to the SRT. But, that's out of my price range ;)
 

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There is a difference, just not a massive one that would make somebody crap their pants. 18s are the perfect size. Look what they use on the vipers...19s. There's a reason for it. Their engineers are lightyears ahead of the SRT guys in terms of handling and breaking as well. It pains me to admit it, but it's a fact. The caddy v is a great buy, and they're gorgeous. As soon as the charger is paid off I'll be getting one. IMO it's the perfect blend of luxury and power at a reasonable price.


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Was the 60k model they tested well equipped or was it relatively bare?
Fully loaded both

18s? on a full size car like that
I am sure 18s are better performing than our 20s

275s in the rear and also less unsprung weight

Big wheels are for hoods

Big skid pad differences... I wonder if they shut the SRT's traction control all the way off.
Yes, the Caddy is just a far better handling car than the SRT8

There's a reason for it. Their engineers are lightyears ahead of the SRT guys in terms of handling and breaking as well.
Sad but true

I have said for some time Chrysler needs to steal some suspension engineers who are great at tuning

The LX cars have the pieces but not the tuning
 

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Fully loaded at 60 grand is remarkable, especially for a Cadillac. Usually when it comes to GM products you are paying a whole lot for little product.

This new V will be VERY stiff competition for SRT. Brand loyalty is the only thing that will save them. I'm definitely a dodge/SRT fan but this is impressive. Plus with them going with the twin turbo six cylinder you're getting big v8 performance with superior mileage.

They're still two completely different concepts. The SRT is your raw American muscle performance car using the big bad engine (although refined here in the 300c look/interior wise). Then you have the Cadillac, which to me is the performance car of the future. They're figuring out how to make more out of less. Both concepts attract certain types of people. I happen to like both. But as I said above, in this case I would take the caddy hands down. Although as we progress into the future with rising gas costs and all that other yucky economic bs I feel cars like the caddy will inevitably do better and be more in demand by folks of all realms of the socioeconomic spectrum.


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18s? on a full size car like that, meh i'll pass. second of all. if you think going from 245 to 275 is going to do anything, think again
Having switched back and forth, I can tell you there is a definite difference between. I think in my +150K, I have maybe 60K on 245 or 255s, and 100K on 275s, of various brands. And yes, while most drivers might not notice, most performance oriented drivers will. Which doenst mentioned the difference inherent in the unsprung mass between 20s and 18s and the handling benefits that brings. Caddy did a smart move hitting a spot between the SRT-8 and the gonzo full V.
 

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The V-sport isn't a fluke - its designed to tackle the BMW 550i and Mercedes E550 (both over 400 HP). Both models right below the M5 and E63.

The Hellcat version of the 300 SRT will make the 6.4L the same thing.

Segments guys....segments
 

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The V-sport isn't a fluke - its designed to tackle the BMW 550i and Mercedes E550 (both over 400 HP). Both models right below the M5 and E63.

The Hellcat version of the 300 SRT will make the 6.4L the same thing.

Segments guys....segments
I think you mean

Segment 1
300 SRT8 6.4
CTS V-Sport
550i
E550
S6

Segment 2
Hellcat
CTS-V
M5
E63
RS7
 

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Down one level you have

Charger Super Bee
Taurus SHO
Chevy SS
 

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I think you mean

Segment 1
300 SRT8 6.4
CTS V-Sport
550i
E550
S6

Segment 2
Hellcat
CTS-V
M5
E63
RS7
Yep, Chrysler even has videos on their SRT channel comparing the 300 SRT8 to the BMW 550i, so it makes sense.



The question though...SHOULD it be like that? Not IMO. The 300C and Charger R/T should be handling the "step down" cars with around 420 HP a piece.
 

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I thought they said the Hellcat wasn't going into the 300 SRT.
 

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I thought they said the Hellcat wasn't going into the 300 SRT.
They haven't said anything, but I have heard from a very reliable source that they are ramping up to build 7000 Hellcat engines per year, which basically means it'll be going into anything they can fit it into.

Another tid bit that sorta ties into this, for 2015 the Challenger R/T is going to be available with the V6 - so I am guessing the Charger R/T will be too. I wouldn't doubt for a minute if this is the beginning of the 5.7L phase out in the R/T & 300C.

Likely debuting in generation 3 without a "normal" V8 option at all outside of the SRT brand.

Want a V8? SRT only.

Scarier...SRT only offering lower volume $60,000 hellcats as the V8 engine.
 

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They haven't said anything, but I have heard from a very reliable source that they are ramping up to build 7000 Hellcat engines per year, which basically means it'll be going into anything they can fit it into.

Another tid bit that sorta ties into this, for 2015 the Challenger R/T is going to be available with the V6 - so I am guessing the Charger R/T will be too. I wouldn't doubt for a minute if this is the beginning of the 5.7L phase out in the R/T & 300C.

Likely debuting in generation 3 without a "normal" V8 option at all outside of the SRT brand.

Want a V8? SRT only.

Scarier...SRT only offering lower volume $60,000 hellcats as the V8 engine.

The Hellcat is interesting but if all of that ever comes to pass, I'll likely never buy another Mopar. Shun the V8 and shun the loyal performance fan base.

If I'm buying a V6 performance car, I'll buy it from a Company that is far better at it than Chrysler ever will be...and in a better built and better handling car.
 

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Don't hate the playa, hate the (CAFE) game.

Even Marchionne said it himself "V8's will be as rare as white flies"
You have no idea... Mfg are literally running out of options to meet upcoming cafe. Lubricants are becoming water like, weight is becoming gold like, tuning is strictly for fuel economy. Even GM and Ford have paired up on new transmission developments.
 

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Yep, Chrysler even has videos on their SRT channel comparing the 300 SRT8 to the BMW 550i, so it makes sense.


The question though...SHOULD it be like that? Not IMO. The 300C and Charger R/T should be handling the "step down" cars with around 420 HP a piece.
The 300C and R/T do not have nearly enough power to compete with the 550i and E550. Those are high 12 second cards. Even if they bump the 5.7 to 420HP it is not in the league of those
 
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