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If I fill the tank all the way until the gas pump shuts off, the car will stall a couple times until about 1/2 a gallon is gone. The problem never happens unless I have a full tank.

Has anyone heard of this happening? What possible component would cause this? I searched the site for stalling and none of the posts I read were like my issue.

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I believe there's a technical service bulletin for that. The overfill tube flows into the evaporative canister, and raw gas gets in there.

Do you top it off, by clicking the nozzle several times our just go until it clicks once?

Basically, you aren't supposed to top off a newer vehicle because of this. I think the owners manual touches on this.

I think there is a fix for it, I'd check with your dealer, print out the TSB if you can find it and bring it with you.

I'll see if I can find it....
 

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Mine Did this one and it stall 4 times at the next 4 stop lights. It started right back up.
I think i topped mine off but I am not certain.

I do remember it was when I pumped 18 gallons of gas.


Yeah the car was that empty.
 

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A faulty gas cap can cause issues with the fuel system pressurization. Clicking 3 times?
 

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I always "top off" when I fill up so that hasn't changed and this just started recently. I think I will change the gas cap, maybe it isn't venting properly. It will stall at stop lights or cruising I lose power like the fuel shuts off.

NBx33 - I'm off Great Seneca Hwy, there is another GMG Daytona just north of me closer to Germantown. I'm always cruising around doing something, running the kids to school events etc, etc, that's how I got the 120,000 miles on it. Maybe I'll see ya :) my tags are my car # 3996 :beerchug:
 

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If its not the evap.. It is a part in the fuel tank that is non servicable. You will have to drop and replace the fuel tank.. Unfortunitly. I have seen this happen many times. Usually on older 05'06's in the 60-70k mile range.

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For anyone else that has this problem, here is an excellent explanation...


This problem is related to the purge solenoid, but isn't caused by it. The fact that this happens tells us the solenoid is working ok.
The evaporative emissions system stores fuel vapors from the tank and then burns them in the engine, to keep the vapors from going into the atmosphere. When you fill the tank with fuel the air and vapor that the fuel displaces has to go into the evap system. There is a valve on top of the tank that allows the vapor out, but is supposed to shut off when liquid fuel hits it as the tank fills. What happens is this valve fails and it allows you to push liquid fuel into the evap system when you push too much fuel into the tank. This liquid fuel goes into the vapor canister and lines. When you start the engine a couple minutes later the purge solenoid will come on to do it's job and burn these vapors, but with this failed valve it sucks up liquid fuel instead, so the engine runs rough and can die at idle.


There are two ways to deal with this. You could stop filling the tank all the way up. Leave a little bit of room at the top. The only permanent solution to properly fix it is to replace the tank, all lines and valving on the tank is serviced as an assembly.
 

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Awesome explanation!

The explanation that you gave is right on point. My 2005 RT has 99k and started this little problem of dieing after TANKTOPING about a year ago. I have this naughty habbit of filling to the next $1.00 or $.50 just to round, but the problem disappears when I just quit filling when the pump shuts off. I'd love to not spend the money on the tank, pump and line replacement!

For anyone else that has this problem, here is an excellent explanation...


This problem is related to the purge solenoid, but isn't caused by it. The fact that this happens tells us the solenoid is working ok.
The evaporative emissions system stores fuel vapors from the tank and then burns them in the engine, to keep the vapors from going into the atmosphere. When you fill the tank with fuel the air and vapor that the fuel displaces has to go into the evap system. There is a valve on top of the tank that allows the vapor out, but is supposed to shut off when liquid fuel hits it as the tank fills. What happens is this valve fails and it allows you to push liquid fuel into the evap system when you push too much fuel into the tank. This liquid fuel goes into the vapor canister and lines. When you start the engine a couple minutes later the purge solenoid will come on to do it's job and burn these vapors, but with this failed valve it sucks up liquid fuel instead, so the engine runs rough and can die at idle.


There are two ways to deal with this. You could stop filling the tank all the way up. Leave a little bit of room at the top. The only permanent solution to properly fix it is to replace the tank, all lines and valving on the tank is serviced as an assembly.
 

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Faulty Evap System/Gas Tank

For anyone else that has this problem, here is an excellent explanation...

This problem is related to the purge solenoid, but isn't caused by it. The fact that this happens tells us the solenoid is working ok.
The evaporative emissions system stores fuel vapors from the tank and then burns them in the engine, to keep the vapors from going into the atmosphere. When you fill the tank with fuel the air and vapor that the fuel displaces has to go into the evap system. There is a valve on top of the tank that allows the vapor out, but is supposed to shut off when liquid fuel hits it as the tank fills. What happens is this valve fails and it allows you to push liquid fuel into the evap system when you push too much fuel into the tank. This liquid fuel goes into the vapor canister and lines. When you start the engine a couple minutes later the purge solenoid will come on to do it's job and burn these vapors, but with this failed valve it sucks up liquid fuel instead, so the engine runs rough and can die at idle.


There are two ways to deal with this. You could stop filling the tank all the way up. Leave a little bit of room at the top. The only permanent solution to properly fix it is to replace the tank, all lines and valving on the tank is serviced as an assembly.
2006 Hemi Dodge Charger - 100k/10yr warranty - 95k miles.

Sympthoms: Misses, stalls, dies, lurches after fill-up for a few miles. Sometimes had to restart. Problem sometimes continues after restart.
Sometimes key removal/opening car door will reset system and make starting easier.


This is EXACTLY what happened with me. They replaced my purge solenoid.
Then I took my car back a few months later, with a copy of this forum in hand, and some other related info I found on-line. They had my car for two weeks (fortunately my plan has a free rental ;) and they re-replaced the purge solenoid... I said didn't you just do that? Did you read the thing I gave you when I brought the car in? duh!

Then they decided to replace the filler tube neck...they say we fixed a few Durangos doing that. I picked the car up again, drove it 1/2 mile, overfilled it this time to prove my point... it stalled twice in 5 min and returned the car to dealer. They know what they are doing - they want to avoid a costly warranty repair no matter what...Chrysler probably gives them incentives for it.

Dealer called me the next day, and asked me some stuff. Called me back, and they said the talked it over with the tech, who read the stuff I took in, and he suggested they replace my tank...and that Chrysler would pick up the cost. I'm taking it in today for the new tank - had to burn down my gas first.

This problem is SUPER DANGEROUS. I work with a guy with a 300C that has the identical problem - they have to be aware of it. I bet they all have it.

On another forum, the guy said he dissected his old tank and found a white buildup preventing the valve from closing.

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