$43.50 per quart? That's insane!
Sorry, it is actually $43.95 per quart......typo.$43.50 per quart? That's insane!
OEM's go to great length to strike a balance between performance and cost.Both of these meet the ZF 8 speed fluid spec for a fraction of the price.... Not trying to start a debate Brian, I just don't understand why Amsoil can make a fluid that exceeds OEM spec for this much, when nobody else can?
The fluid has to meet a certain specification, consisting of X concentration of this additive, and Y amount of this, etc. if it meets and exceeds that specification that Chysler deems is good for this transmission, I fail to see your point. Not trying to be rude. I just don't quite understand how $40+ per quart of transmission fluid is realistic in any way.OEM's go to great length to strike a balance between performance and cost.
One thing that can be missing from the after market products, is the additives. Here's the difficult balance, transmission fluid must simultaneously cool, lube, and still allow friction. Surprisingly, contained moisture is incredibly hard on transmissions, and even the friction plates can absorb ambient moisture, leading to shifting problems.
The cost of our QuantumBlue Custom Blended 8 speed transmission fluid and the pan/filter assembly is $543.34.
Typical from the dealer is $43.95 per quart and $180.00 for the pan on the 8HP45.![]()
I was quoted north of that amount when I made an inquired about the transmission service for the 8-speed.$43.50 per quart? That's insane!
The fluid we make exceeds the ZF Lifeguard fluid for all the ZF transmissions. We don't skimp on what is in there like the aftermarket brands do. You don't want a functional equivalent on this trans!!!!Excellent thread 370 HEMI!
One question I do have, is what is the actual procedure for changing the fluid? Drop & replace the pan /filter assembly...how do we get the new fluid back in the 8 speed auto? I have not seen any type of filler tube / dipstick etc.
Here is the procedure that we provide with the transmission pan and oil when it is changed.
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This will explain everything you need to know about this procedure.
Is 10 quarts a 'complete' fluid change or only a partial?
10 quarts (9.46 L) takes care of all the fluid in the trans. Some people with over 100,000 miles have found that replacing 6 liters then driving for 5,000 miles and then taking out 3.65 quarts out and adding the last 3.65 quarts will completely flush the torque converter and then you are good for another 50k miles anyway.
Also, I'm not exactly sure based on the picks you posted...what is the actual mopar part # that one needs to give to order the pan / filter assembly?
Because we buy so many of these pans at one time, we get a special price on them much below what you can purchase them for at a dealership. For the 2012, the pan number is Mopar P/N 68157995AA with the 13 and up is P/N 68142478AB. Let me know what you need and we can get this taken care of for you.
Looking forward to your answers & very interested in getting some of this fluid off you.
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The service adviser I deal with at my selling dealer said the same thing.I was quoted north of that amount when I made an inquired about the transmission service for the 8-speed.
So much so that the service rep advised me not to touch it until I reach 100,000 kms.
ZF recommends every 50,000 to 75,000 miles it should be changed. ZF has never been known for good trans fluid blends! I would even suggest that this is too high based on what I have seen when taking those pans down and what is in the magnets!!The service adviser I deal with at my selling dealer said the same thing.
Interestingly enough however, labor for the complete tranny flush is only an hour... :nerd2:
Very interesting findings Brian!ZF recommends every 50,000 to 75,000 miles it should be changed. ZF has never been known for good trans fluid blends! I would even suggest that this is too high based on what I have seen when taking those pans down and what is in the magnets!!
The C5 Audi RS6 uses the ZF 5HP24A 5 speed trans and has problems with internals all the time with bump stop, shuddering and hesitation between shifts.
I was asked to look at this issue from their president of the club. I got a sample of the fluid from Audi....19.99 per quart....and was appalled at how cheap and inferior it was. typical store bought ATF+4 out of the bottle is way superior to what ZF provides! I spent about a month working out the details of how the ZF 5 speed worked and what the clutch material was all about before I put together a better version. What I make for that trans completely solved the issues with that 5 speed. We do those transmissions all the time with our QuantumBlue Custom Blend.
Anyway, the 8 speed transmission from ZF has a trans fluid that really isn't much better than the one produced for the Audi C5 RS6.
Audi part number for the C5 is G052-162-A2 trans fluid
Audi part number for the 6 and 8 speed trans is G060-162-A2.
The G060 fluid is 45.95 per quart. It is the SAME fluid as what goes into the Chrysler 8 speed transmissions!
This is why I took on the task of improving the fluid so that the C5 RS6 and the ZF 8 speed transmissions would run better, cooler and smoother while being better protected than what comes from ZF of Germany.
The Audi A6 with the 6 speed transmissions also use the same fluids. I just recently did a 2006 version of this transmission and it too use the same ZF Lifeguard fluid. I replaced this fluid with our version and the customer can't be happier with it. He was very surprised as to what came out of it at 105,000 miles. He will never go that long again after we showed him the difference. Audi uses the lifetime fluid BS with them over there too!
Regards,
Brian
BND Automotive LLC:driving:
440-821-9040
www.bndautomotive.com
Yes! Another Amsoil supporter! When I mentioned and posted up Amsoil's OE and Signature Series fluids that meet the spec for the ZF trans eadlier, I pretty much got ignored. I couldn't find the most recent Taxi-cab field study. Personally I've used Amsoil Signature Series before and I will continue to use it. It meets/exceeds the specs of these overpriced fluids like the stuff ZF uses.Very interesting findings Brian!
Do you actually change the fluids that you blend as well or what do you recommend to your customers for the fluid change? IE: just take it to the dealer etc?
Have you tested your custom blend of fluid with other brands other than the factory ZF? for example; Amsoil's 'Signature series fuel efficient ATF' Which meets (if not exceeds) ZF specifications Shell L12108 Transmission Fluid or equivalent?
You might find this study from April 2014 interesting...
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g3118.pdf
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I have been a loyal Amsoil user since 2000 RT....everything for my vehicles, to my Kawasaki Jet ski & even my Honda lawn mower.Yes! Another Amsoil supporter! When I mentioned and posted up Amsoil's OE and Signature Series fluids that meet the spec for the ZF trans eadlier, I pretty much got ignored. I couldn't find the most recent Taxi-cab field study. Personally I've used Amsoil Signature Series before and I will continue to use it. It meets/exceeds the specs of these overpriced fluids like the stuff ZF uses.
The study you quoted here is for the Multi-Vehicle ATF that Amsoil makes. That is an ATF+4 fluid and NOT a ZF 8 speed Lifeguard transmission fluid!Very interesting findings Brian!
Do you actually change the fluids that you blend as well or what do you recommend to your customers for the fluid change? IE: just take it to the dealer etc?
Have you tested your custom blend of fluid with other brands other than the factory ZF? for example; Amsoil's 'Signature series fuel efficient ATF' Which meets (if not exceeds) ZF specifications Shell L12108 Transmission Fluid or equivalent?
You might find this study from April 2014 interesting...
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g3118.pdf
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Ok, you have this confidence based upon what? Amsoils word? I too can type that one fluid we make meets and exceeds every spec of every transmission ever made with my computer too......but it wouldn't be true!But somehow this much less expensive fluid meets and exceeds ZF's fluid specification for that transmission. I'm not going to doubt that QB is the best possible solution for the long term life of the transmission, I just could not ever justify paying that much for fluid. Amsoil recommends their fluid for this transmission and backs it with a warranty if something were to happen caused by their fluid. Their fuel efficient blend is formulated with similar characteristics as their multi-vehicle as far as friction modifiers and other additives go. I don't have any doubt that it wouldn't withstand a long term test like the mult-vehicle stuff did.