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We are dealing with the Feds... So please excuse the long post.

As those who have been paying attention already know, the EPA has enacted new testing procedures for determining the average fuel economy of passenger cars beginning with the 2008 model year.

As has been discussed on this forum in the past few months there is a very real possibility that the '08 Charger R/T could be imposed with the dreaded Gas Guzzler Tax.

Based on info pulled from the EPA's own website, the printed fuel economy numbers on the window sticker for the 2008 Charger R/T will be 15 city and 23 Hwy.

On the face of it you would think that those numbers would doom the 5.7 Hemi to Gas Guzzler purgatory.

GG Tax is figured by dividing City mileage by 55% and HWY mileage by 45% then adding those two numbers together to come up with a combined rating. If the combined rating is less than 22.5 the car will be assessed a one time TAX of no less than $1000 and no more than $7700.

So if we were to figure the combined mileage of the Charger R/T we would come up with 18.6 (15 x .55 = 8.25, 23 x .45 = 10.35).

Figuring 18.6 combined the Charger R/T will be saddled with a GG TAX of no less than $2100. :dead:


BUT WAIT!!! Read the fine print...

"EPA studies indicate that vehicles driven by typical drivers under typical road conditions get approximately 90 percent of the laboratory test-based city miles per gallon (mpg) value and approximately 78 percent of laboratory highway mpg value. This difference is referred to as “in-use shortfall.” To account for the in-use shortfall, the city and highway mpg values listed in Fuel Economy Guide and shown on fuel economy labels are multiplied by 0.90 for the city test and 0.78 for the highway test. However, the combined city and highway fuel economy that is used to determine tax liability is not adjusted to account for in-use shortfall, so it is higher than the mpg values provided in the Fuel Economy Guide (www.fueleconomy.gov) and posted on the window stickers of new vehicles.

Who says Detroit no longer holds sway with the Feds... :alien:

The numbers we see on the window sticker are not the ones used for determining the GG Tax... The EPA goes by a different set of (Made up) numbers.

So using the new math we get (approx) 16.8 city and 29.5 hwy with a combined average of...

Drumroll.............

22.51


The 2008 Charger R/T will have no Gas Guzzler Tax.
 

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That would be sweet if that's how things turn out. What they really ought to do is start applying those GG taxes to porky SUV (which I think are exempt) instead of sticking it to muscle car owners.

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Another tax? Oh boy!!!
 

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...What they really ought to do is start applying those GG taxes to porky SUV (which I think are exempt) instead of sticking it to muscle car owners...
Why? There are lots of SUV's that get better mileage than "muscle cars". It's a stupid an unfair tax anyway, if anything it should be based on total consumption. Take someone with a vehicle that gets around 14 mpg, and whose neighbor has a Prius that gets 40 mpg. The neighbor drives the Prius 3x as far to work and does a lot more pleasure driving, overall using MORE fuel each month than the more conservative 14 mpg driver, so why should the low mileage driver get penalized for using LESS fuel each month?
 

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Who says Detroit no longer holds sway with the Feds... :alien:

The numbers we see on the window sticker are not the ones used for determining the GG Tax... The EPA goes by a different set of (Made up) numbers.

So using the new math we get (approx) 16.8 city and 29.5 hwy with a combined average of...
Boy Detroit must really have some sway if the FEDS are saying that the Hemi gets 29.5 hwy...:lol: :lol: :lol: :silenced:
 

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Boy Detroit must really have some sway if the FEDS are saying that the Hemi gets 29.5 hwy...:lol: :lol: :lol: :silenced:
No doubt. It really is amazing how the Government can get away with this kind of "accounting"... Not just this example, but all areas.
 

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We can thank Dodge for giving us an Automatic 5-speed and the DOD system for keeping the highway number up.

My '05 GTO is an A4 and got hit with a $1,200 Gas Guzzler Tax and was rated at 16 City and 21 HWY. The 6-Speed GTO was rated at 17 City and 25 HWY and avoided the tax.

In the real world, my A4 GTO gets 22 HWY at 78 - 82 mph. And when I was escorting a buddy with his new GTO home during the break-in period .... I got 25 HWY at 55 - 65 mph.

IF GM had given the GTO automatic a 5th gear as an overdrive like the one in our R/T; it probably could have avoided the Gas Guzzler Tax.
 

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The tax is only applied on the sale of a new car correct ??? That's not something paid with the registration right ...
 

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The tax is only applied on the sale of a new car correct ??? That's not something paid with the registration right ...
Gas Guzzler is only on the purchase... not a yearly tax or anything and it is not retro...

I don't think they can even apply GG to used cars... but I could be wrong about that.
 

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I think SUVs get by because they are considered to be "truck" based... just like how the Magnum SRT8 skates by the tax :)
The Magnum has a flat loading floor and that's the same exact reason the PT Cruiser is also considered a "truck" .... stupid reason but that's what it is ...
 

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The tax is only applied on the sale of a new car correct ??? That's not something paid with the registration right ...
The GG tax is actually paid by the manufacturer. Dodge just passes it along to you on the sticker.
 

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My '05 GTO is an A4 and got hit with a $1,200 Gas Guzzler Tax and was rated at 16 City and 21 HWY. The 6-Speed GTO was rated at 17 City and 25 HWY and avoided the tax.
I had a 2005 GTO A4 as well. That guzzler tax was a bitter pill to swallow.
 

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That would be sweet if that's how things turn out. What they really ought to do is start applying those GG taxes to porky SUV (which I think are exempt) instead of sticking it to muscle car owners.
Well said -- couldn't agree more ....
 
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