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2006 Charger RT 5.7L - Stalling / Loss of Acceleration

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Sorry for the long story but I love this car and the end is near. Please save it!

Started with engine codes P0032, P0038, P0052 and P0058 and the check engine light on. No driving issues with the car. Just the lights and codes. There was a TSB about this that pointed to the O2 sensor. Took it in and they stated their was damage to the wiring harness and sensor so it was replaced. Next day the codes returned. Took it back and they said the ECM/PCM was coming back with a drive fault. Replaced that and the codes went away.

From the point the computer was replaced, however, my car would stall in the mornings and when driven would ding once and throw up the ETC dummy light (sometimes the check engine light would come on and sometimes not but there are no codes displayed). When that occurred the car would stall if stopped. If the car was moving the RPMs would drop and there would be a loss of acceleration but no stalling. After a second or two, the acceleration would kick in and the car would recover. After about 5 or 10 miles of driving the problem went away and the car seemed fine the rest of the day. Next morning...problems returned. Car is in Texas in the middle of summer but in a garage.

Mechanic tried a number of things and finally gave up. They said I needed to take it to a transmission shop but it seemed computer related to me since the problems only occurred in the morning. I ended up taking it to a dealership and they reported faults in the TCM and ECM/PCM (both need to be replaced). They also suspected problems with my transmission. I can get the ECM/PCM replaced on a part's warranty but the rest is $$$$$.

My issue is that I don't see how all of this failed at one time and how one failure hid the other failures so that they cascaded out. And, if I can get my car "warmed up" then why does it drive perfectly fine (no transmission issues). The dealership mechanic is basing the transmission issues on the loss of acceleration when he drove it from the lot to the bay but that only started happening once the ECM/PCM was replaced. Ugh.

I'm thinking of telling them to replace the ECM/PCM and getting the other shop to pay the labor (they stated they would do that...we'll see). Then see what faults come up and how it drives. Dealership mechanic says it's a waste of time.

Any help out there? Thanks in advance!
 
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I can get the ECM/PCM replaced on a part's warranty
I would just replace the ECM/PCM with the parts warranty for now.
The "new" ECM/PCM they installed may have been a new remanufactured part. Many of the expensive electronics (e.g. ECM/PCM) are sent back to the manufacturer for rework and then put back into parts stock inventory. If the part tested as NDF (no defect found) they do not perform any repairs ... they just put it back into parts stock inventory. If the same part cycles through the rework process two or three times, and still tests as an NDF, they scrap it.

As input signals to the PCM change, the PCM adjusts its response to the output devices. So I'm not surprised that your car runs better once warmed up.
The PCM operates in two different modes: Open Loop and Closed Loop.
During Open Loop modes, the PCM receives input signals and responds only according to preset PCM programming. During Closed Loop modes, the PCM will monitor the oxygen (O2S) sensors input.

Ignition switch On, engine start-up (crank), engine warm-up, acceleration, deceleration and wide open throttle modes are Open Loop modes.
Idle and cruise modes, (with the engine at operating temperature) are Closed Loop modes.

The NAG1 (5-speed) electronic transmission has a fully adaptive control system. The system performs its functions based on continuous real-time sensor feedback information ... including information from the PCM.
If the information from the PCM is not correct than the transmission may act up accordingly.

Bottom Line: try the free PCM replacement and see if you still have transmission issues.
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Quick Update:

Got my car back yesterday after the dealership (upon my orders and against their wishes) only replaced the ECM/PCM under the part's warranty. It took a couple of days to get the car back after the repair due to test drives. Drove fine the day they replaced the computer and the next day. Then they wanted to drive it first thing in the morning. Still good!

I've had no problems today driving the car. Still too early to claim victory but it seems a faulty factory issued replacement computer was the source of my problems (with the stalling and acceleration). I just find it very funny that both shops refused to believe that the issue was the computer. The first shop wouldn't order a second new computer and replace it and the dealership saw it as a minor issue compared to the major issues they found (TCM, Torque Converter, Transmission).

I'll give it a week but so far so good!
 
#5 ·
My wifes old 2006 300 would throw dummy lights each morning, stall, then drive fine for the rest of the day....we fixed it by replacing the gas pedal....there is some type of apps sensor in the gas pedal for these cars and that fixed my issues like you have above.....best part about it, it was not an expensive fix at all......thank me later!
 
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Update - Well, 5 days later and the problems are back. Came slowly and only in the morning (again). Now the problems are more consistent to the point the car cannot be safely driven. No codes just the check engine light and ETC dummy light. Problem goes away as quickly as it comes.

I still think it has to do with the ECM/PCM (maybe the wiring to the unit). I would love to run the car without the PCM using the sensors. Can it operate on factory default settings (if there is such a thing)? I mean I can reset the PCM (and have) but the problems return quickly.
 
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This sensor code problem is very stressful and Chrysler dealer repair isn't easy to believe. My problem is lengthy also So here we go. CEL came on one morning at first start of car(2008 charger 2.7) took it to first dealer test results all sensors bad and oil pan leaking at the drain. 1400.00 to repair all. Passed and paid 100.00 test fee. Replaced all myself camshaft,crankshaft and all 4 oxygen sensors (Bosch brand) had codes reset. Drove about 2 miles came back on. Tried that 3 times same results so took it to second dealer in the area (CEL still on) for second test. Tech said not OEM sensors need to replace with NTK brand wanted 700.00 to so that. So passed again paid 100.00 test fee and replaced them myself. Had codes erased and CEL came back on instantly soon as I starting it. Still reading bad o2 sensors all 4 of them. I'm out of ideas. Anyone else have anything?
 
#11 ·
Tech said not OEM sensors
Not using OEM sensors is a problems because the non-OEM sensors are not calibrated to perform the same as OEM sensors.
So what DTCs are being logged now?
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#13 ·
0032,0038,0052,0058
I assume these are all "P" code (e.g. P0032)

P0032-O2 SENSOR 1/1 HEATER CIRCUIT HIGH
P0038-O2 SENSOR 1/2 HEATER CIRCUIT HIGH
P0052-O2 SENSOR 2/1 HEATER CIRCUIT HIGH
P0058-O2 SENSOR 2/2 HEATER CIRCUIT HIGH

Either the O2 sensors are bad or the connectors/wiring is bad.
HEATER CONTROL CIRCUIT OPEN
O2 HEATER GROUND CIRCUIT OPEN
O2 HEATER CONTROL SHORTED TO BATTERY VOLTAGE

Is there any corrosion on the connectors, frayed wires, etc ... on the connectors/wires attached to the O2 sensors?
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