You guys hate because you are not old enough to remember the REAL Mopar.

[MCaesar]

You guys hate because you are not old enough to remember the REAL Mopar.

I grew up in the 60s when Mopar was the absolute king of performance - nit just of American cars but in the world. The 392 hemi and later the 426 were the absolute most powerful engines in the world.

Chrysler dominated performance and engineering.

If you are old enough, you remember the hemi as a motor that took a backseat to no one - especially not some Caddy!

It pains me to no end that Chrysler has become an afterthought in the performance wars. It can't even compete with the top dogs. Worse, it is not even its own self. First German, now Italian.

To you young'ns - there was a time when it was the performance standard of the world.

Finishing 3rd is not acceptable to those of who can remember

[Hemi_Infantry]

I don't hate you, old timer.

[Auto426]

[V1P3R]

Call it ignorance of youth, pal.
But the fact is, things change. And maybe Mopar is not the top dog any more in terms of absolute performance, they are still able to make cars that have a very strong following. And they still give us the maximum horsepower per dollar of our hard earned money. With a few dollars more and the vast sea of after market performance shops, those interested can make a real beast out of their Mopars.
Mopar has made peace with it. And so have its fans (all except a few old timers like you )

[Ron380]

I never said I hated you.

At least not out loud.

I don't think...

[Patriot Infinity]

Isn't Mopar just the name of Dodge's replacement parts division? I thought it they named their parts division as a marketing stunt.

[Ddaddy]

Originally Posted by Patriot Infinity

Isn't Mopar just the name of Dodge's replacement parts division? I thought it they named their parts division as a marketing stunt.

"Mopar (An acronym for Motor parts) is the Parts, Service and Customer Care organization within Chrysler Group LLC. Mopar also designs and builds a small number of customized vehicles. The term was first used by Chrysler in the 1920s and was introduced as a brand starting in 1937. Mopar parts are original equipment manufactured parts for Chrysler vehicles. In Canada, these were sold under the Chryco and AutoPar brands until the Mopar brand was phased into that nation's market, starting in the late 1970s.

The term "Mopar" has passed into broader usage among car enthusiasts as an unambiguous reference to the parent company Chrysler Group LLC. The term has thus become an inclusive word for any Chrysler-built vehicle—most any Dodge, Chrysler, Plymouth, Imperial, or DeSoto, plus Jeeps and sometimes Eagle vehicles built after Chrysler's 1987 buyout of AMC-Jeep. Thus, for example, a car club for owners of any Chrysler Corporation vehicle might describe itself as a club for Mopar enthusiasts"

[Malcolm65]

Who else can give you 470HP, room for 4 6 footers, all under $50K?

Sometimes it is not what we say but how we say it

[Ddaddy]

Originally Posted by MCaesar

You guys hate because you are not old enough to remember the REAL Mopar.

I grew up in the 60s when Mopar was the absolute king of performance - nit just of American cars but in the world. The 392 hemi and later the 426 were the absolute most powerful engines in the world.

Chrysler dominated performance and engineering.

If you are old enough, you remember the hemi as a motor that took a backseat to no one - especially not some Caddy!

It pains me to no end that Chrysler has become an afterthought in the performance wars. It can't even compete with the top dogs. Worse, it is not even its own self. First German, now Italian.

To you young'ns - there was a time when it was the performance standard of the world.

Finishing 3rd is not acceptable to those of who can remember

Having been a Mopar enthusiast all my life, I understand where you are coming from. Here is my old '69 Dart GT 340 4-spd...




The issue that brings the perceived "hate" is quoting the car magazines endlessly as the final authority on perfomance. My review of the 8-speed tranny is an example. I drove it, reviewed it and yet you disputed my observations of disappointment in the programming at every turn until a car magazine posted a review that said all the same things I did. You then agreed that I was correct.

Perhaps it's more a issue of approach and assumption rather than age and remembering the past.

Believe me I agree that Mopar isn't leading the performance wars like it did back in the day and I am profoundly disappointed that they're not.

However, bringing the rest of the world's performance cars into play isn't fair either. Back in the day, almost any European sports car outperformed the American cars in handling and refinement...we just beat them with raw power. My 1974 Opel Manta out handled every Mopar I ever owned back then and the 4 speed was like butter compared to the American "rock-crusher" gearboxes.

If you applied the same comparisons we made back in the day of American Muscle to American Muscle and left the car mags out of it, I think you'd find the response isn't any different than it was back then. Timeslips tell the tale, opinions on refinement sit in the stands and watch...and whine.

[chargerdriven]