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Old 11-03-2012, 04:05 PM
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hyundai and kia slammed by EPA for cheating on MPG ratings

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I am really amused to see this. Since some of my hyundai driving friends constantly make fun of my v6's fuel economy. Well, looks like theirs are fake after all
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Mud on the face of Hyundai/Kia for sure.

However, their liability isn't too severe. If you figure this only affects 2001 and 2012 cars, and the actual difference in combined MPG is about 7% (on average 1-2 mpg) their total exposure is about $130 per vehicle sold. With 900,000 vehicle affected, they are out $11 million total if they extend their gas card compensation back to the date of purchase. If they extend it out to the normal life of the purchase, the cost will grow to nearly $70 million. If they extend it to 10 years, it's $160 million. (I doubt they will extend it past the current date, in any event)

Considering they made approximately $2.6 billion on the sales of those cars, they aren't taking too big of a hit.

And BTW, they still get some of the best MPG in class even after the revised numbers.
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They will just increase the cost of the cars now to dealers by a few hundred $$ to recoupe any losses. Easy enough.
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Who'd thunk anybody would cheat at self reporting mpg details?

Driving cycle rules are pretty loose anyway, with substantial tolerances allowed. More enterprising OEM's will bend the tolerances right up to the limit. And some will cross the line.
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So what was that again about Hyundai and Kia stepping up their game?
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So what was that again about Hyundai and Kia stepping up their game?
At least hyundai constantly looks for ways to improve. Whats chrysler got? A 6.4l with less than 500hp and priced at $50k while sporting an outdated mercedes transmission. A 3.6l that has no balls still while ford and chevy are making v6's with that running 14's in the quarter. Hell even the hyundai V6 has more ballz than the pentastar engine.
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At least hyundai constantly looks for ways to improve. Whats chrysler got? A 6.4l with less than 500hp and priced at $50k while sporting an outdated mercedes transmission. A 3.6l that has no balls still while ford and chevy are making v6's with that running 14's in the quarter. Hell even the hyundai V6 has more ballz than the pentastar engine.
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If they perform better, good for them. I don't race so I don't really care about that aspect that doesn't effect my car buying, majority of people look for MPGs anyway not high performance.
Also, from what I've looked up Hyundai Sonata and the Azera is in the high 14 or low 15 second range, so how are they better again?
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