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#1 Old 10-29-2012, 12:31 AM
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Oil Change Interval Questions

I have a new 12 SXT V6/8spd that I am breaking in. Owner's manual says first oil change at 8,000 miles. Mine has 110 hours and 3500 miles in about 2.5 months and the information notice on the dash has idicated time for a change. I'm getting about 28 mpg so I don't think I am too spirited of a driver, but that seems a little soon. Anyone know what contributes to that indicator coming on? Why so soon? If I am tough on it, should I change my oil type? I see a lot of synthetic fans here and read postings for BND and others. If I do that, will I have to keep track of intervals myself or will I be constantly nagged by the oil change due notice? How would I then know that it is time for a change if there is that much variability in the interval?

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Feel free to have a look at this thread and give it a good read since many of us have asked the same question before. Based on the information you should already be pulling your conventional oil and changing to something else. If you can afford to use QB lubricants I'd make the switch. Here's the link:

http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/...d.php?t=159383

Also feel free to PM Brian from BnD Automotive. He can answer any question you have regarding off the shelf oils and the advantages of his products. His site screen name is 370_HEMI.

Hope that helps,

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8k is the most you can go. Always change the oil when the indicator says it is time! (but don't go more than 8k)

The first change is usually around 2500...

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I have a new 12 SXT V6/8spd that I am breaking in. Owner's manual says first oil change at 8,000 miles.

I would never go anywhere near that mileage on the first change! You have a double over head cam (DOHC) engine with 4 valves! It is also a variable valve timing engine with cam phasers. The oil is used to phase the cams. Conventional oils will tend to gum up in this engine with the type of heat you will generate.


Mine has 110 hours and 3500 miles in about 2.5 months and the information notice on the dash has idicated time for a change.

I would definitely change it out where you are. Now remember that the in dash indicator is based on algorithm and not the condition of the oil. We can make a really good 8.5w32 QuantumBlue HP Custom Blend 3.6L VVT Formula for you that would easily go 10k miles between changes.

I'm getting about 28 mpg so I don't think I am too spirited of a driver, but that seems a little soon. Anyone know what contributes to that indicator coming on? Why so soon?

Chrysler uses a Flexible Service System or FSS. As stated earlier, it is comprised of algorithms to predict oil change intervals. The algorithms are based primarily on factors such as driving habits, driving speed, and failure to replenish low oil levels. Chrysler's research determined that these factors contribute to oil breakdown. (So again, it is the oil that is at issue here!)

The algorithm method systems basically monitor time between oil changes, vehicle speed, coolant temperature, load signal, engine rpm, engine oil temperature and engine oil level to determine the remaining time and mileage before the next oil change.


If I am tough on it, should I change my oil type? I see a lot of synthetic fans here and read postings for BND and others.

Remember that what the oil is comprised of makes ALL the difference with what drain intervals you keep. We recommend 3k miles on conventional, 5k miles on typical off the shelf synthetics, and 10k miles on QuantumBlue. We always recommend an oil analysis to verify what is going on in the engine. We have done many 3.6L VVT engines....two of which are owned by us personally (2011 Avenger Lux and 2011 Grand Caravan R/T). 10k on QB with these engines are loafing it!

If I do that, will I have to keep track of intervals myself or will I be constantly nagged by the oil change due notice? How would I then know that it is time for a change if there is that much variability in the interval?
You can keep track yourself by pegging a 10k mile number or we can remind you after a certain period of time. 3,500 miles div by 2.5 months = 1,400 miles per month. This means you would need to change the oil every 7.14 months @ 10k miles. If the oil analysis shows we are still good, we could take it to 12k or until the oil analysis sais we have gone far enough. We do have some customers with 5.7 and 6.1L Hemis that are going 15k miles per oil change.

http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/...d.php?t=157116

It is up to you. We would love to help protect your 3.6L like we have done for so many other customers.

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I have a new 12 SXT V6/8spd that I am breaking in. Owner's manual says first oil change at 8,000 miles. Mine has 110 hours and 3500 miles in about 2.5 months and the information notice on the dash has idicated time for a change. I'm getting about 28 mpg so I don't think I am too spirited of a driver, but that seems a little soon. Anyone know what contributes to that indicator coming on? Why so soon? If I am tough on it, should I change my oil type? I see a lot of synthetic fans here and read postings for BND and others. If I do that, will I have to keep track of intervals myself or will I be constantly nagged by the oil change due notice? How would I then know that it is time for a change if there is that much variability in the interval?
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Once the oil change indicator is reset it will come back on based on input from multiple sensors on the vehicle. It will not take into account the type of oil you use. 6 months or 8,000 miles is the longest that you are recommended to go in the manual even if the change oil light does not come on.

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Now that all of that is over. Run down to Walmart and buy ya a filter and a 5 qt jug of synthetic in your choice of flavors and change your oil. My V-6 takes more than 5 so I get an extra qt while I'm there..Mobil 1 is very good. So is pretty much any good synthetic oil on the market and almost all will get you 8k on an oil change..

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Now that all of that is over. Run down to Walmart and buy ya a filter and a 5 qt jug of synthetic in your choice of flavors and change your oil. My V-6 takes more than 5 so I get an extra qt while I'm there..Mobil 1 is very good. So is pretty much any good synthetic oil on the market and almost all will get you 8k on an oil change..

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Yep. Although, my manual says to change at 5k for best performance with the factory syn they put in. It will go all the way to 10k with a good synthetic, but it's better to change where your manual says to get the most out of it performance wise.
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Thanks everyone! It's been 12 years since I bought a car and I want to take care of this one. I appreciate the difference of opinion and the useful info. I was a little worried that maybe my wife was taking the car out and testing 0-60 while I was at work, but I guess the interval is about as expected. I've always been a 3k/conventional user for my other cars (which are well beyond 200k) but I think over that time-frame synthetic or QB might be the most cost-effective.
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Thanks everyone! It's been 12 years since I bought a car and I want to take care of this one. I appreciate the difference of opinion and the useful info. I was a little worried that maybe my wife was taking the car out and testing 0-60 while I was at work, but I guess the interval is about as expected. I've always been a 3k/conventional user for my other cars (which are well beyond 200k) but I think over that time-frame synthetic or QB might be the most cost-effective.
Remember this, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and will do what they feel is right. However, opinions are anacdotal and are based on feelings and what they have read or what they have done in the past or even what they have read from the marketing arms of all these oil companies.

When we discuss what QB does and compare it to what is out there on the shelves, it is by fact and by oil analysis to derive the results.......not anacdotal assumptive knowledge!

Oils have changed so dramatically in formulation in just the last 2-3 years alone due to the specifications changing by the manufacturers. These specs are pushed on them by the EPA and the government to higher Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) numbers and emission standards that are ever more strict.

Engineers that I have talked to in all the majors have repeatedly reminded me that 4.6 to 5.8 years is all the usable life they build into the cars. They remind me too that the warranty is 5 years or 100k. 5 years will be up before 100k form 90% of the customers. They get really angry when I discuss the ability to make these engine, transmission, and differential systems last 15 to 20 years if a customer wants to.

For them it is a business of turning over the cars....for us it is a love of the cars and working for the customer and not the manufacturer.

We would love to have your business and help you protect your new car.

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I buy three 5 quart jugs of synthetic at Walmart, along with two Mopar oil filters. Good for two full oil changes with some left over. Costs well under $100 for 2 full oil changes, and good for up to 30k miles if you get Mobil 1 extended use.

I've done oil analysis with many oils in my car, the Mobil 1 extended use really does well, as it states.
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