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post #21 of 36 Old 12-15-2016, 12:53 PM
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I read a while back that the reason Dodge stopped offering the 5.7 with AWD drive train was because they were losing money having to make good on the powertrain warranties. The AWD system couldn't handle all the "usage" that they were being put through. Thus the reason AWD is limited to the V6 now, seems like they could get some help from Jeep and upgrade the AWD system and at least offer it as an option if people want it and are willing pay for it.
Yeah, hard launches in an AWD car put a LOT of stress on the driveline; things will wear out and break fairly quickly.
Which is why I don't think Dodge will ever release an AWD Hellcat to the public; owners will destroy these things at the track in very short order.

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Yeah, what Ron ^^^ said.

My '07 R/T was awesome in the snow, but with the standard 5.7 it was still lacking for power, which is what made me do all kinds of mods looking for more power ... and it still wasn't all that fast.[...]
The issue with AWD drivelines is more losses; instead of the traditional 17~20% for RWD, we're looking at 25% and sometimes more.
And, it gets worst, because the AWD driveline is significantly heavier than the RWD driveline (transfer case, front diff, additional shaft to the front diff).
And, we all know Charger is not light to begin with...
A 392 AWD Charger would provide more oomph, but, then again, people will go around hard launching these things any chance they get and that won't end well .

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post #22 of 36 Old 12-18-2016, 10:27 AM
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Jeep SRT has no problem with hard launches.

The video all comes down to tire. AWD doesn't make up for a bad tire.
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post #23 of 36 Old 12-18-2016, 07:28 PM
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They need to put a Hemi in this ASAP!
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post #24 of 36 Old 12-19-2016, 04:17 PM
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Jeep SRT has no problem with hard launches..
Yup, and there's a Hellcat-powered Jeep coming, so AWD launches with lots of power are certainly possible and can be reliable.
I'm sure that torque will be electronically limited in the first 1-2 gears to preserve the driveline, but it should still be a beast!


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The video all comes down to tire. AWD doesn't make up for a bad tire.
Yup. An AWD system can only do so much when it has crappy paws to grab the surface with.
A bad driver added to that doesn't help at all.


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They need to put a Hemi in this ASAP!
Not gonna happen.
The Hemi's days are numbered, especially when the current V6 puts out only 40 hp less than the 5.7 Hemi did when these cars first came out in 2005

And really, a 5.7 modern V8 should be putting out at least 450 hp, not the measly 375 hp it's putting out in today's Chargers/Challengers ... even the 395 hp it puts out in the Ram 1500 is weak by today's standards ...


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And really, a 5.7 modern V8 should be putting out at least 450 hp, not the measly 375 hp it's putting out in today's Chargers/Challengers ... even the 395 hp it puts out in the Ram 1500 is weak by today's standards ...
Yeah I never did get that...the Ford Mustang's 5.0 pumps out 435hp and 400lb-ft

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The 5.7 is old that is why. It needs some love. It could have a bump in compression and a re-work. Probably means higher octane gas.
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Charger AWD has some competition now ...

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