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#71 Old 02-25-2013, 07:10 PM
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I've heard the same thing about the Daimler licensing thing, also heard they charged them $250 for each one..which to put it lightly is insane. The ZF 8-speed costs them much less than that.

But what I don't buy from it is that Daimler had a gun to their head saying they had to buy so many of them a year. Yeah right, you are forced to use this transmission that will cause all your V6's to perform poorly and get poor fuel economy and rank the lowest on a competitive scale. I'd walk up to Dr Z and rip that contact up right in front of his face and laugh at him while doing so.

I was kinda kidding about the 8-speed "maybe" showing up behind the 5.7L for 2017, but there ARE some real issues holding back its production right now. AFAIK Chrysler only builds the one for the V6's (their version of the HP45) the HP70 that gets used behind the V8's and diesels is built by ZF in NC and thats the one thats in short supply.

For all we know the TFT screens are in short supply too, because the HP70 and the TFT were to be used in the 2014 SRT8's and now NEITHER will be, but they'll be in the Ram and Grand Cherokee..their bread and butter vehicles. Actually this I am not sure of, the TFTs could very well still be in the 2014's..
I am starting to believe that the real issue is the 8 speed just didn't provide the performance and MPG gains as expected.

Only a broke company would take this long

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although my opinion could be skewed because my 07 was a 3.5l v6, and my '12 is the Hemi.

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Automobile magazine just did their wrap-up of their long-term Charger SXT in the April issue and the 8 speed transmission wasn't exactly their favorite feature of the car. The biggest beef they had was it seemed geared too tall and was programmed to go for the highest gear possible. Obviously, that is for EPA numbers. They also remarked that the ZF unit in Audis and BMWs performed much better. As for the shifter, they didn't like it very much either. I remember when I test drove a V6 model last summer, I found the E-shifter tricky to use. Yeah, it's cool that it's all "by wire" once you get used to it, but there is something about being able to easily shift the old 5 speed in and out of park without looking at it(or the EVIC) or thinking about what button you have to push and how to pull it.

As for the cost of the NAG1, I too had read this is costing Chrysler serious cash as it is a holdout from the Daimler era. My guess is they really didn't have anything else to take it's place at the time so they really had no choice but to go with it. We'll see once the 8 speed sees use across the line-up, but right now I'm glad they stuck with the NAG1. Heck, they are putting it in the Jeep Wragler now so it must be a pretty robust unit!

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#75 Old 02-26-2013, 04:07 AM
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just because the 8 speed may not be sorted out well does NOT mean the 5 speed is a good, modern transmission
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This thread shows all the more reason to have 2 separate Charger sections. One for the first gen. and one for the newer second gen. They do it on just about every other car forum except this one. My guess is the powers that be are a little stubborn or thick headed.

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This thread shows all the more reason to have 2 separate Charger sections. One for the first gen. and one for the newer second gen. They do it on just about every other car forum except this one. My guess is the powers that be are a little stubborn or thick headed.
Huh? There are separate sections already.

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This thread shows all the more reason to have 2 separate Charger sections. One for the first gen. and one for the newer second gen. They do it on just about every other car forum except this one. My guess is the powers that be are a little stubborn or thick headed.
They added them, but way after the fact and now nobody cares. The other reason is because this forum isn't owned and run by an enthusiast, its owned by a company that is only interested in selling ads.

I think it was started by an actual Charger enthusiast, but they sold it years ago to Vertical scope.
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They added them, but way after the fact and now nobody cares. The other reason is because this forum isn't owned and run by an enthusiast, its owned by a company that is only interested in selling ads.

I think it was started by an actual Charger enthusiast, but they sold it years ago to Vertical scope.
Yeah It was started by Ekool and others...one thing I can say is there are less politics by it not being run by an enthusiast now, but just about everything else sucks....the only thing keeping it good is that some of the old folks are still around

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