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#11 Old 07-23-2012, 10:27 PM
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So here's another take of equal consideration. This is an apples to apples comparison long term(miles) user as well.

Using this oil analysis 2006 hemi rt 187k miles mutiple changes over 10k miles Penzoil Platium, not ultra.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...2566052&page=1

What are the dollars and cents?

Using this months special as an example.....$12.76 per quart x 7 = $89.32 + free oil filter = $89.32 + $15.75(shipping from Ohio to California) = $105.07.

$105.07 div by 14.899= $7.05 per 1000 miles.

Okay.


Walmart ...Penzoil Platium synthetic are $5.00 per quart x 7 = $35.00+ $6.50 for an oil filter = $41.50 x 3.63(NYtax) = $45.13. ( If you get it on sale it will be even cheaper)

$45.13 div by 15.05 = $3.00 per 1000 miles....based on a 15,053 mile oil change.

So the savings for using a top off the shelf synthetic is $105.07-$45.03 = $59.94 So with today's oil change..... included in the cost of the oil change is night out with the family at Playland, or 16 gallons of gas.


So yes, price is a one time thing, but cost is a life time thing! Cheaper to use and equivelent protection at least for this comparison......best of both worlds.

Let me be clear I'm not saying its not a good or even great oil ...it appears to be great, but for me I cant justify the 250% plus price differential. If I run P.Platium in my car and can get consistent numbers as shown in the link above its a cost effective alternative route.
While the example that you put up is an acceptable sample, it still isn't consistent if you read the numbers compared to QB. With the Platinum, he has added as much as 2 quarts of oil to the car during the sample. This much oil will skew the numbers and adjust the ppm....basically washing the contaminants into the filter. QB on this sample added none.

No lead ever in 86,760 with our custom blends where the Pennsoil has lead/bearing wear. Also less chromium in our sample consistently then the Pennzoil Platinum. More Nickel wear or valve wear with Pennzoil Platinum than QB as well. Remember too that Jed has a Predator tune and we have to deal with the mods he has as well. The Pennzoil doesn't take these things into consideration either.

We could continue even farther with QB then we did here. The thing to take into consideration too is that Jed's car works in very harsh environments and is in stop and go as well and still obtained these better numbers. The Pennzoil has 15 ppm magnesium, 726 phosphorous and 828 zinc at 15k. QB still has 93 ppm magnesium, 5997 ppm phosphorous and 911 zinc. Much more cushion if Jed does go farther on it!

And since you are talking about gasoline, it is very common for a customer to increase their fuel economy due to the differences in lubricity from QB vs what is off the shelf. Normally most people see about 1 mpg more using our oils. So assume that you get .5 mpg more using our oils over anything else and you drive the whole 15k miles.......again assuming 20 mpg, it would take 750 gallons of gasoline to go that 15k. 750 gallons x .5 mpg = 375 more miles on the same fuel. 375 div by 20 mpg = 18.75 gallons of gasoline saved at $3.50 per gallon = $65.63 in rebate on the oil change. Thanks for the dialogue!

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Brian, he also forgot to add in the cost of the extra oil into his equation, those 1-2 quarts of oil added had cost as well. (yes, I know it doesn't make up for the difference in price but you can't leave it out and be accurate)

To be accurate: Walmart ...Penzoil Platium synthetic are $5.00 per quart x 9 = $35.00+ $6.50 for an oil filter = $51.50 + (NYtax) = $57.37. ( If you get it on sale it will be even cheaper)

$57.37 div by 15.05 = $3.81 per 1000 miles....based on a 15,053 mile oil change.


"but for me I cant justify the 250% plus price differential." - but it isn't 250%, it was 235% with your numbers and is 185% as I calculated. Plus 28.5% of his oil was replaced during that time significantly skewing the protection capability of the oil.

Plus,where did that missing oil go? thru the PCV system and thru the engine? So lower mileage and higher emissions to burn the missing oil?

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Brian, he also forgot to add in the cost of the extra oil into his equation, those 1-2 quarts of oil added had cost as well. (yes, I know it doesn't make up for the difference in price but you can't leave it out and be accurate)

To be accurate: Walmart ...Penzoil Platium synthetic are $5.00 per quart x 9 = $35.00+ $6.50 for an oil filter = $51.50 + (NYtax) = $57.37. ( If you get it on sale it will be even cheaper)

$57.37 div by 15.05 = $3.81 per 1000 miles....based on a 15,053 mile oil change.


"but for me I cant justify the 250% plus price differential." - but it isn't 250%, it was 235% with your numbers and is 185% as I calculated. Plus 28.5% of his oil was replaced during that time significantly skewing the protection capability of the oil.

Plus,where did that missing oil go? thru the PCV system and thru the engine? So lower mileage and higher emissions to burn the missing oil?
I get what you are saying, and you are right! Adding the other oil during the change always skews the numbers! Actually, doing it that way, we could claim 25,000 miles on "1" oil change maybe 30,000 miles. Just keep adding oil and changing filters. It doesn't give an accurate number because the new oil will wash the contaminants into the filter. PCV evacuation is a common thing with a more volatile oil.

Hey, we are not talking McDonalds here. For those who really care about their cars and want to make sure that it lasts, QuantumBlue is the way to go. There is even a difference in the sounds of the equipment as you change over from the "good enough cheap stuff" to our custom designs.

Experience tells the difference!

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This is the real deal with a real Guy.

Jed is a good friend and Part of our So Cal car club Mopar360.

His car runs great and Jed drives this car in the extreme heat out here non stop.
I did get very busy (3 jobs, and yes, in this economy!) but to the point I just did not make time to get the oil changed even though it was sitting on the self. I normally only like to push to 12K max and after talking to Brian about the analysis, we figured the 14K was the outer limit for my car.

As for driving, I do long hauls out to the desert areas and just experienced 116* and I just don't worry about engine wear. I feel totally protected as I put an average of 28K on the car per year... I don't want to be changing oil every 3 months... Plus I work in the medical field and we have to trust blood tests on humans, so why not trust an oil test on an engine?

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370 Hemi I currently pay 70-80 bucks to have my oil changed so it is not a far leap for me to go to 100 with those results. My questions is this. SO I tell you what I have and your company "makes" an oil specific to my needs? I have just over 50K and am very interested on the sole fact that your test say there is no wear?!? So would you test my oil too? A before and after...also where is the post for your gas. I am very interested in anything that gets me more HP especially at such a cheap cost if you will. I have been to your website, but really am looking for a cost sheet to go forward...Also 20 mpg is a wet dream!

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370 Hemi I currently pay 70-80 bucks to have my oil changed so it is not a far leap for me to go to 100 with those results.

Basically the change is $89.32 + a free oil filter. The other $12.76 is an extra quart of top off should you need it. If not, you still have that quart for the next time. The only other cost is shipping to you. Usually about 13-15.00 anyway.

My questions is this. SO I tell you what I have and your company "makes" an oil specific to my needs? I have just over 50K and am very interested on the sole fact that your test say there is no wear?!?

Yes, we take into consideration where you live, temperatures, mods, miles on the car, whether you drive more in the city or more on the highway or a combination, do you encounter salt/Winter, do you drive it like you stole it or drive it like a regular car etc. The bottom line is it is tailor made for your car and what you have and how you use it. We too are very interested in stopping the wear on the cars we make materials for.

So would you test my oil too? A before and after...

If you choose to do that, each sample kit is only $20.00 so you would have a baseline before using QB and then one for every change if you so choose. It helps us understand what is going on and adjust it based on the samples. Jed double checks the oil every change and buys a kit so that he can determine how things are going. He allows us to use the results to help others on this forum.


also where is the post for your gas. I am very interested in anything that gets me more HP especially at such a cheap cost if you will. I have been to your website, but really am looking for a cost sheet to go forward...Also 20 mpg is a wet dream!
Here are a few:

http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/...power+gasoline

http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/...power+gasoline

http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/...power+gasoline

When you put the ACES IV together with the QB lubricants, at least on our SRT8, we picked up a total of 19 hp and 31 ftlbs of torque at the wheels. When we added the transmission fluid and differential oils, we got a total of 25 hp and 38 ftlbs of torque.

We can discuss what your goals are and then put a program together to get you to the dream you are looking for! LOL!

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