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#21 Old 12-05-2012, 06:03 AM
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Well, do some data logging man. Statistics dont lie. If it gives your SRT ST or LT knock then you need to stop pump gas at Costco
Do you plan on doing any more data logging with the Costco gas? Since batches vary as others have stated, you would need to try at least a few more times to get a more accurate conclusion.

I use Costco gas because they have the cheapest price on 93 around, so I would be curious as to your findings. There is a sign above all the pumps that says the gas contains five times the EPA detergent requirement, which is another plus IMO.


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Do you plan on doing any more data logging with the Costco gas? Since batches vary as others have stated, you would need to try at least a few more times to get a more accurate conclusion.

I use Costco gas because they have the cheapest price on 93 around, so I would be curious as to your findings. There is a sign above all the pumps that says the gas contains five times the EPA detergent requirement, which is another plus IMO.
The other thing to remember is the conversion of BTU Value. The energy content and octane value are two different things. When the batches of fuel are more volatile and moisture that is collected due to the ethanol drops the octane value into the water (hygroscopic), you get the detonation and knock retard that you have seen. This is also known as phase separation.

We have worked very hard to formulate ACES IV to molecularly balance the fuel, incorporate the ethanol and lock it into the fuel, stop it's ability to absorb water, and then use a catalyst to break down the % water as hydrogen and oxygen and incorporate that into the fuel. Running these varying batches of fuel doesn't have to be a problem if you treat it with the right technology.

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Where do you guys live that your Wal-Marts and Costcos have gas??? Ours don't. Not that we'd use gas from there anyway, but I'm curious. We have never ever used anything but BP gasoline.
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How's the gas mileage, Do you get better gas mileage with less knock?
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How's the gas mileage, Do you get better gas mileage with less knock?
MPG varies greatly with driving as well as traffic condition.

Knock will affect engine performance and condition, in a negative way of course.

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I'm so glad that I have a station where I live that is non-ethanol. Pure gasoline. It costs 30 cents more per gallon than ethanol E10 fuel but Ill gladly pay the difference. The difference in mpg without ACES is 4mpg. I get 28 combined mpg using E10 fuel and 32 combined mpg in my 96 VW Jetta. I don't have to worry about the ethanol separating out of the fuel in the ground tank and destroying my car. This is also one of the reasons I'm switching to diesel vehicles in the future. No Ethanol in Diesel.

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It takes about 20 days for it to separate (look it up).
I highly doubt that any station will have gas that sits in their tanks for that long......

It's too bad they don't sell any in NJ, at least in decent quantities.
You can get it at any Home Depot, Sears, or Lowe's in the small engine area.
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I'm so glad that I have a station where I live that is non-ethanol. Pure gasoline. It costs 30 cents more per gallon than ethanol E10 fuel but Ill gladly pay the difference. The difference in mpg without ACES is 4mpg. I get 28 combined mpg using E10 fuel and 32 combined mpg in my 96 VW Jetta. I don't have to worry about the ethanol separating out of the fuel in the ground tank and destroying my car. This is also one of the reasons I'm switching to diesel vehicles in the future. No Ethanol in Diesel.

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I'm so glad that I have a station where I live that is non-ethanol. Pure gasoline. It costs 30 cents more per gallon than ethanol E10 fuel but Ill gladly pay the difference. The difference in mpg without ACES is 4mpg. I get 28 combined mpg using E10 fuel and 32 combined mpg in my 96 VW Jetta. I don't have to worry about the ethanol separating out of the fuel in the ground tank and destroying my car. This is also one of the reasons I'm switching to diesel vehicles in the future. No Ethanol in Diesel.
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When you get the diesel vehicle let me know and we will get you out some ACES II Diesel Formula. 1 qt does 500 gallons of fuel. Typical gains are 10%......have seen 16% before but on heavy equipment!

Biodiesel is not an issue. ACES II is good up to 20% biodiesel....hopefully B9000 quality. Beyond that, I have a formula we did for 21% to 100% biodiesel and with any feed stock! Rape Seed, Canola, Palm Kernal, Sugar Cane, Bamboo.....etc.

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