Vortech SC VS. Procharger SC

[Greg44]

Ok guys im sure this question has come up before.. I want to know which one is produces better numbers in RWHP and in TORQUE for a 5.7L R/T and which one is just overall better? Im hoping the people who already have this setup will chime in. Thanks.

[nickinfleet]

i have the vortech on a 6.1L - running the factory tune with no adjustments - very safe on the car and motor i am pushing 492 horse and 467 torque to the rear wheels.

[LongDriving]

Get both :D

I believe Vortech has 50 state legal planned...but they may not matter for you.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't know but wanted to be part of the thread :bigthumb:

[Greg44]

Get both :D

I believe Vortech has 50 state legal planned...but they may not matter for you.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't know but wanted to be part of the thread :bigthumb:

LOL its okk everyone always want to be part of a thread even though they dont provide input:clap::clap::clap:

[Greg44]

i have the vortech on a 6.1L - running the factory tune with no adjustments - very safe on the car and motor i am pushing 492 horse and 467 torque to the rear wheels.

Do have anything else? like heads, cam, new pistons or rods? what numbers am i looking at for a 5.7. after i get the supercharger eventually ill be adding heads and cams and the rest of the goodies.

[nickinfleet]

Do have anything else? like heads, cam, new pistons or rods? what numbers am i looking at for a 5.7. after i get the supercharger eventually ill be adding heads and cams and the rest of the goodies.

i have high flow cats and a zoomers cat back exhaust. i baselined at 372 rwhp - cant remember the torque numbers though.

i am not sure what to expect with a 5.7 however that is roughly a 31% gain over stock. i would assume the gain would be similar on a 5.7 however i would highly recomend getting some new headers for the 5.7 as the stocks are junk. check previous threads.

[smoove7410]

I like the procharger whine personally. As for power, I am not sure, but I doubt they are drastically different. The blower units are similar and you can only push so much on stock internals.

[Pocket Aces]

If I may, I would like to revive this thread.

Personally I am leaning towards the Procharger setup for 2 reasons:

1.) I want people to see my front mount intercooler

and

2.) I'm not so sure trying to cool air at a location right about the intake manifold is very efficient.

In regards to reason #2 I would like to ask this: Obviously I must be naive in my assumption because Vortech apparently knows what they are doing...at least I would hope so. Am I just ignorant in thinking that it's not an efficient cooling system?

I suppose anyone who can chime in with the good bad and the ugly of both Procharger and Vortech would be greatly appreciated before I say the hell with it and drop 10 g's on a twin turbo setup from STS.

[YoungMedic23]

i have 523awhp/511awtq.....Vortech and borla catback

peace

[YoungMedic23]

I went from 310hp to 440hp.....

If you find a way to put the power to the ground then 11's are a cake walk

peace

[electricmarquis]

If I may, I would like to revive this thread.

Personally I am leaning towards the Procharger setup for 2 reasons:

1.) I want people to see my front mount intercooler

and

2.) I'm not so sure trying to cool air at a location right about the intake manifold is very efficient.

In regards to reason #2 I would like to ask this: Obviously I must be naive in my assumption because Vortech apparently knows what they are doing...at least I would hope so. Am I just ignorant in thinking that it's not an efficient cooling system?

I suppose anyone who can chime in with the good bad and the ugly of both Procharger and Vortech would be greatly appreciated before I say the hell with it and drop 10 g's on a twin turbo setup from STS.

On the top mount aftercooler......your talking two differnent animals. One is air to air cooled and the other is air to water cooled. Both have ups and downs but for the 6psi that they run, they both work.

[West Coast Muscle Cars]

I like the procharger whine personally. As for power, I am not sure, but I doubt they are drastically different. The blower units are similar and you can only push so much on stock internals.

[B]That is true. Both are great kits. The cooling systems differ in that Procharger uses a front mount intercooler and Vortech uses a charger cooler mounted in the engine bay.
You can make great power with either...



p.s. West Coast Muscle Cars is in the process of being a supporting tuner...:beerchug:

[SublimeDaytona268]

If I may, I would like to revive this thread.

Personally I am leaning towards the Procharger setup for 2 reasons:

1.) I want people to see my front mount intercooler

and

2.) I'm not so sure trying to cool air at a location right about the intake manifold is very efficient.

In regards to reason #2 I would like to ask this: Obviously I must be naive in my assumption because Vortech apparently knows what they are doing...at least I would hope so. Am I just ignorant in thinking that it's not an efficient cooling system?

As for concern #1, check out what I did with my Vortech setup:
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w276/ericvonmotor/LX/sd268/IMG_6676.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w276/ericvonmotor/LX/sd268/IMG_6695.jpg


I added a second heat exchanger to the top so it looks like one huge one behind the grille. You could just mount one up on top, though the instructions tell you to mount the one in the kit below the bumper. Either way, it doesnt matter.

As for concern number two, mounting the after cooler near the intake manifold doesnt seem to really matter at all in m eyes. The system is more than efficient as it is right now, and now that Im running two heat exchangers and thus more antifreeze in the system, Id be surprised if my intake air temperatures ever rise above ambient.

On the top mount aftercooler......your talking two differnent animals. One is air to air cooled and the other is air to water cooled. Both have ups and downs but for the 6psi that they run, they both work.
Absolutely correct. As a matter of fact, Ive also seen both setups be equally as efficient up to 10psi as well, for what its worth.

-Pat

[SRT8U]

As for concern #1, check out what I did with my Vortech setup:
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w276/ericvonmotor/LX/sd268/IMG_6676.jpg
http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w276/ericvonmotor/LX/sd268/IMG_6695.jpg


I added a second heat exchanger to the top so it looks like one huge one behind the grille. You could just mount one up on top, though the instructions tell you to mount the one in the kit below the bumper. Either way, it doesnt matter.

As for concern number two, mounting the after cooler near the intake manifold doesnt seem to really matter at all in m eyes. The system is more than efficient as it is right now, and now that Im running two heat exchangers and thus more antifreeze in the system, Id be surprised if my intake air temperatures ever rise above ambient.


Absolutely correct. As a matter of fact, Ive also seen both setups be equally as efficient up to 10psi as well, for what its worth.

-Pat

+1 to all that...and we have run 22PSI through the Vortech Aftercooler and produced over 800 HP with that setup without issue :)

[Pocket Aces]

hm, this is is getting really interesting.

It seems, between the 2 systems it really comes down to the "CAI factor"....drivers choice. I mean the Vortech system looks just plain SICK when you pop the hood, but that front mount intercooler of the Procharger system is like that menacing little devil that lets the guy in front of you know that he should move when he checks his rear-view mirror :bigthumb:

[Daytona_5.7_LMH]

Which of the two systems is cheaper?

[Pocket Aces]

Which of the two systems is cheaper?

tbyrne performance is offering the ATI Procharger, WITH gauges and pro torque converter for about the same price as maryland speed is offering the vortech.

Tbyrne (http://estore.websitepros.com/2081904/Categories.bok?category=Dodge+Charger%3ASupercharg ers%2FTurbos) vs maryland speed (http://marylandspeed.com/lx-chargermagnum300-superchargers-c-280_977.html)

[SRT8U]

tbyrne performance is offering the ATI Procharger, WITH gauges and pro torque converter for about the same price as maryland speed is offering the vortech.

Tbyrne (http://estore.websitepros.com/2081904/Categories.bok?category=Dodge+Charger%3ASupercharg ers%2FTurbos) vs maryland speed (http://marylandspeed.com/lx-chargermagnum300-superchargers-c-280_977.html)

We have a special on Vortech S/C's going on until June 15th. You will not find a better price anywhere, and we sell more S/C systems for the Hemi than anyone!

Here is a link to our Vortech section, we always offer great pricing and free shipping, but if you are interested in our special deal PM me or call us at 877-BMC-RWHP for details.

http://www.bmcspeedshop.com/SearchResults.asp?cat=251&RefineBy_Manufacturer=Procharger&RefineBy_Price=&Search=

We also carry Techco, Procharger and other options, so if you wan't to get blown...BMC is the place!

[LongDriving]

Good thread

[electricmarquis]

I always love a good forced induction thread! Exspecially on the hemi blocks.

[ChargerJay]

i have high flow cats and a zoomers cat back exhaust. i baselined at 372 rwhp - cant remember the torque numbers though.

i am not sure what to expect with a 5.7 however that is roughly a 31% gain over stock. i would assume the gain would be similar on a 5.7 however i would highly recomend getting some new headers for the 5.7 as the stocks are junk. check previous threads.

It is also looks badass under the hood :rocker:

[Bud]

This is for the 6.1 guys only, because I don't have enough info/experience with the 5.7 bottom end. A really good friend of mine with a 8 lb Vortech blower and I did a comparison a while back to see what the difference was. I wanted to do the comparison because after getting out of my car and driving his car I didn't think it was much of a difference. These videos tell "a" tale. My thoughts are that a 4200 car WITHOUT a forged stock bottom end is NOT worth the money. People talk about increases in "peak" horse power and don't realize that they are not getting the horse power throughout the entire RPM range. These videos portray the exact same results I had with two other friends with stock bottom Vortech blowers. Vortech makes a good product....so don't think I'm bashing. I should also note that two of the three of my friends that "had" Vortech blowers have since blown their motors. If you are going to add a supercharger on a stock bottom end make sure you install a methanol injection kit and gauges to monitor your temps. These races were done in a construction area where we started at around 15mph to ensure tire spin didn't play a part.

Race #1: 1500 rpm roll...pretty even start.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad_bqyhFKLI

Race #2: 1500 rpm roll...Jason gets a slight jump.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=43xgBnSSvCM

[Sal SRT-8]

This is for the 6.1 guys only, because I don't have enough info/experience with the 5.7 bottom end. A really good friend of mine with a 8 lb Vortech blower and I did a comparison a while back to see what the difference was. I wanted to do the comparison because after getting out of my car and driving his car I didn't think it was much of a difference. These videos tell "a" tale. My thoughts are that a 4200 car WITHOUT a forged stock bottom end is NOT worth the money. People talk about increases in "peak" horse power and don't realize that they are not getting the horse power throughout the entire RPM range. These videos portray the exact same results I had with two other friends with stock bottom Vortech blowers. Vortech makes a good product....so don't think I'm bashing. I should also note that two of the three of my friends that "had" Vortech blowers have since blown their motors. If you are going to add a supercharger on a stock bottom end make sure you install a methanol injection kit and gauges to monitor your temps. These races were done in a construction area where we started at around 15mph to ensure tire spin didn't play a part.


Interesting....

So that i understand the video correctly: Jason's SRT-8 with a Vortech @ 8 lbs of boost beat your SRT-8 WITHOUT boost by ONLY 1 car length??

My thoughts are that a 4200 car WITHOUT a forged stock bottom end is NOT worth the money.Not understanding this statement, please elaborate... Explain it to me like i drive a Chevy.:D
I say this because you own a SRT-8 right?

[Bud]

Interesting....

So that i understand the video correctly: Jason's SRT-8 with a Vortech @ 8 lbs of boost beat your SRT-8 WITHOUT boost by ONLY 1 car length??

Yes. Jason and I have the same mods with the exception of the blower and tune.

Not understanding this statement, please elaborate... Explain it to me like i drive a Chevy.:D
I say this because you own a SRT-8 right?

Most folks only look at "peak" HP not taking into account the how steep or not the HP curve is. My dyno was I think 50-60 hp less than Jason's "peak". But, I make a substantial amount across the curve until it gets to the higher rpms right before it shifts. I say "for me" its not worth it on the stock motor because the manufacturers are creating such conservative tunes that its not really giving much performance. At least not enough for me to pay $6k plus install, and a possible blown motor.

[Sal SRT-8]

ahhh, i see. I never thought about that. Thank you for the information and the videos!

[electricmarquis]

Most folks only look at "peak" HP not taking into account the how steep or not the HP curve is. My dyno was I think 50-60 hp less than Jason's "peak". But, I make a substantial amount across the curve until it gets to the higher rpms right before it shifts. I say "for me" its not worth it on the stock motor because the manufacturers are creating such conservative tunes that its not really giving much performance. At least not enough for me to pay $6k plus install, and a possible blown motor.


The install is very easy. I have seen budget forged blocks from 3k. Im considering a forged 5.7 block before next spring. Cant decide on the compression stuck between stock 9.5:1 or maybe slightly lower like 8.5:1. Dont ever plan on going higher than 6-9lbs of boost.

[SublimeDaytona268]

The install is very easy. I have seen budget forged blocks from 3k. Im considering a forged 5.7 block before next spring. Cant decide on the compression stuck between stock 9.5:1 or maybe slightly lower like 8.5:1. Dont ever plan on going higher than 6-9lbs of boost.

If you only plan on 6-9 lbs. of boost, dont bother dropping the compression ratio. You are only hurting yourself on the low end with a centrifugal blower, IMO. Its only when you get into much higher boost levels would I even consider dropping the compression down.

Bud, who are your friends that have blown motors with a Vortech? I think out of all the time I have spent reading on the forums, I can honestly say I dont think I have heard more than one case off hand. Just curious---as a Vortech owner myself, this is news to me.

-Pat

[electricmarquis]

I have seen one blown 5.7 but the stupid dude was running 12lbs with auxiliry injectors. I have "heard" of blown hemi motors from boost but none could come up with pics or anything. Most of the ones I "heard" about, were from turbo kits.

Dont get me wrong.......Hemi motors do suffer from weak piston ring lands. I have heard from many tuners just keep combustion temps low and you wont have a prob with 7lbs or less on a stock block.

[SRT8U]

Dont get me wrong.......Hemi motors do suffer from weak piston ring lands. I have heard from many tuners just keep combustion temps low and you wont have a prob with 7lbs or less on a stock block.

This is correct!

[SRT8U]

A quick point on Bud's analysis, while one car length may not seem like much...it takes ALOT to gain a car length in a Drag race.

Looking at it in a more controlled environment..the Drag Strip...I have personally picked up over one second and 10-12 MPH in trap Speed in the 1/4 mile on the same track, same car, same tires , and no changes other than the Vortech and canned tune. With the simple addition of Drag Radials my otherwise stock SRT8 is a high 11 second car with no custom tuning, just bolt on the Vortech system and go.

I agree with what others have said, no high boost, and install guages to monitor things.

[Bud]

Bud, who are your friends that have blown motors with a Vortech? I think out of all the time I have spent reading on the forums, I can honestly say I dont think I have heard more than one case off hand. Just curious---as a Vortech owner myself, this is news to me.

-Pat

Two are 300 SRT owners who didn't go public, and a Charger SRT8 owner who frequents another forum and is a long time member over here but hasn't posted in a couple years. There are some discrepancies with what caused all of the blown motors. One of the guys had an issue with some other part not associated with the blower, but ultimately caused the motor to REALLY blowup (I saw the pics). So, he just happened to have a blower when it happened. The other two guys aren't gear heads by any stretch of the imagination and like many non gear heads thought it was just a plug and play application. One guy had a part in the blower that came loose or broke off and was driven around for a while without him knowing it about it. The other guy had a leak in the blower cooling system (I think something hit it). When he noticed a leak under the car he had it flat bed towed to the dealership for a look. They repaired it and on his drive home he noticed it back firing like a mother! He drove it a couple miles home and had a mechanic take a look at it. Blown cylinder #6 if I remember correctly. Again, non of these cases are cut and dry. But, they all have one common denominator. The blower! That's why I am warning people that it is not always just a plug and play application and it is a good idea to add a water/meth injection kit and ways to monitor things a little closer (gauges).

[CharlieS]

What about your race # 3, which shows a more drastic difference?.... it wasn't close from 60-120.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGnf9fL5KzM&feature=related

[Bud]

What about your race # 3, which shows a more drastic difference?.... it wasn't close from 60-120.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGnf9fL5KzM&feature=related

Slight jump, in boost, and centrifugal's are top end monsters. Doesn't matter now though....that car has a blown motor and is in the garage. On a side note, another blower "blew up" last night. Here is a response from another forum to the OP"

"Our stock pistons do not discriminate. They've colapsed for every Supercharger Mfg. there is, and they will continue to do so. Anyone putting a supercharger on a 6.1 should at least do a forged rotating assembly IMHO, if not, do H/C and N2O.

GSM was in the forfront of this. They just did it before everyone else did. So the old excuse of not having tuning didn't really apply. Not defending them, just stating a fact.

The reason is the top ring land of .10 inch on a cast piston, and some tuning issues that are being discussed here elsewhere. Two much cylinder pressure, and it collapses. It would be cheaper to put the forged rotating assembly in 1st, and it would save money in the long run.
Some are lucky, but pretty much anyone with a SC and stock pistons is on borrowed time."

[CharlieS]

Thanks for the update. No SC for me without a forged bottom end. Might as well go the 426 route first.

[SublimeDaytona268]

Two are 300 SRT owners who didn't go public, and a Charger SRT8 owner who frequents another forum and is a long time member over here but hasn't posted in a couple years. There are some discrepancies with what caused all of the blown motors. One of the guys had an issue with some other part not associated with the blower, but ultimately caused the motor to REALLY blowup (I saw the pics). So, he just happened to have a blower when it happened. The other two guys aren't gear heads by any stretch of the imagination and like many non gear heads thought it was just a plug and play application. One guy had a part in the blower that came loose or broke off and was driven around for a while without him knowing it about it. The other guy had a leak in the blower cooling system (I think something hit it). When he noticed a leak under the car he had it flat bed towed to the dealership for a look. They repaired it and on his drive home he noticed it back firing like a mother! He drove it a couple miles home and had a mechanic take a look at it. Blown cylinder #6 if I remember correctly. Again, non of these cases are cut and dry. But, they all have one common denominator. The blower! That's why I am warning people that it is not always just a plug and play application and it is a good idea to add a water/meth injection kit and ways to monitor things a little closer (gauges).

Bud, Im really not trying to start a fight here, but are you actually reading any of the accounts you are relaying here?? It's all a bunch of he said-she-said stuff if you ask me.

You start off your response by saying two of the stories were 300 owners who never went public..... well that's a whole lot of credibility coming your way. How are we supposed to believe any of this without colrd hard written facts to refer to? Again, not saying it couldnt/didnt happen, but come on now.... you know how internet forums work. People wanna see answers.

Your next story...... a guy had some come loose or break off in the blower. What the hell do you suppose came off or broke loose? This I gotta hear. If something came loose in the headunit, it is contained and would destroy only the head unit itself. The only possible thing that could come loose or break off would be the actual turbine/fan setup (which wouldnt even fit through the after cooler tubing, I might add) unless the fan dsintegrated into pieces and sent debris flying in. Either way, hard to believe.

Last example is my favorite.... a leak in the cooling system----let's take it to the dealer! WORST idea ever. For the record, a leak in the cooling system of the blower wouldnt cause any harm, just hot, uncooled air to go into the motor. So worst case, you might see a drop in overall HP. The leak should have been an easy fix. Whenever a car goes to the dealer though to have work done, they almost always flash the computer because they dont know or dont know how to work with a tune thats already programmed on the car. I guarantee they flashed the computer and erased his Vortech tune. He got on it on the way home and the car didnt know what was going on.... bang, there's your blown cylinder.



Listen, like I said, Im really not looking to pick a fight with you here, but I dont particularly care for the way you come on swingin at Vortech owners like our cars are ticking time bombs. Maybe you have a freak of an SRT8.... wouldnt be the first time Ive seen one who puts down abnormally large numbers from the factory.... at which point I say, godspeed. But Vortech is a tried and true system. Countless people have it. There were 28 Vortech/Paxton owners at Spring Fest this year. I think that alone is a great testament to their following. They had the next closest company beat by 21 vehicles (next closest was Techco, with 7)

Water/meth is NOT always a good answer either unless it's done correctly, so be careful with advising people to go out and buy meth kits. And yes, I agree that gauges are super-important to have with ANY high-performance cars.


Slight jump, in boost, and centrifugal's are top end monsters. Doesn't matter now though....that car has a blown motor and is in the garage. On a side note, another blower "blew up" last night. Here is a response from another forum to the OP"

"Our stock pistons do not discriminate. They've colapsed for every Supercharger Mfg. there is, and they will continue to do so. Anyone putting a supercharger on a 6.1 should at least do a forged rotating assembly IMHO, if not, do H/C and N2O.

GSM was in the forfront of this. They just did it before everyone else did. So the old excuse of not having tuning didn't really apply. Not defending them, just stating a fact.

The reason is the top ring land of .10 inch on a cast piston, and some tuning issues that are being discussed here elsewhere. Two much cylinder pressure, and it collapses. It would be cheaper to put the forged rotating assembly in 1st, and it would save money in the long run.
Some are lucky, but pretty much anyone with a SC and stock pistons is on borrowed time."

I will not even remotely try to deny that the ringlands on our pistons are the weak link. They are too small, and too close to the top of the piston.

However, almost every blown motor can be traced back to tuning, whether you like it or not (unless the incident is related to some other circumstance like a dealer flash or something else going wrong that was completed unrelated to the blower). People blow motors because their tunes are crap.Yes, that was the problem with GSM. But dont think for one minute now that just because there are a lot of tuners out there now compared to a few years ago means that they are all good tuners. Out of all the tuners out there, Id say only about 3 or 4 of them are any good.

Basically, as long as you dont get ambitious or power hungry, the 5.7 is more than capable of comfortably handling 5-6 lbs and the 6.1 is capable of handling about 8 lbs..... WITH A GOOD TUNE. The canned Vortech tune is something that can safely get you by in the mean time, but everyone knows you should make time to get your car over for a tune specific to your car at some point.

Thanks for the update. No SC for me without a forged bottom end. Might as well go the 426 route first.

Youve got to do some more reading and personal research before you make a comment like that. I dont mean that in a jerk-kinda way, but just merely stating proper advice.

When you buy a blower first, that is an upgradeable part down the road. Look at it from my point of view.... I make considerably over 400 hp to the wheels right now. My gas mileage went UP when Im driving on the highway. My car pulls like a freight train compared to stock. It looks amazing under the hood and behind the front fascia. Im on a "good" tune right now (could be better, could be a lot worse). Down the road, I will eventually put in a forged stroker motor built to handle boost..... then Ill go back to my upgradeable blower setup and drop a smaller pulley on there (cost= $100) and get even more HP out of my setup. With a built 392 and a blower pushing 10 lbs, god only knows what kind of power I could put down.

I have a buiddy who is on his THIRD set of heads and cam since owning his Charger. Luckily he has never blown his short block, but every set of equipment he has had so far has had problems, whether it be the parts or the tune he was running. Every setup has its problems, that much I assure you. But if you ask him, Im sure he will tell you that if he could do it all over again, he'd put a supercharger on his motor from the beginning and worry about the motor later.



BUD, if you want a good race, Id like to see what your car can do running along side of SRT8U's ride..... IIRC, he is a stock 6.1 motor with the boost turned up quite a bit. Why? because he's got a great tune in the car, done by one of the best tuners out there if it is who I think it is. I bet your race with him would be quite different than anyone else you are racing. You say these other Charger owners werent gear heads by any stretch? Chances are they dont know how to drive that well either.... :D

-Pat

[kethomps]

Here is the front end of mine with a procharger installed:
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g4/kethomps/webpic1.jpg

I'm just running the stock tune and have not made it to a dyno or track yet.

[TALON]

Sweeeeeeeeeet.

Ken

[08 Stoned Charger]

I LOVE my Procharger!!! I drive it hard, Race it and I haven't had any issues!!!

:rocker::rocker::rocker:
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x284/desertcharger_2007/El%20Paso%20Drags%204-5-09/th_MOV03358.jpg (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x284/desertcharger_2007/El%20Paso%20Drags%204-5-09/?action=view&current=MOV03358.flv)

[desertcharger]

Love my procharger too-
53,000 miles on the car
11,000 since the s/c (which I bought used)
no problems with the engine that I didn't create myself-

I race it, daily drive it and highway long trip it...

Love it!
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x284/desertcharger_2007/th_MOV03109.jpg (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x284/desertcharger_2007/?action=view&current=MOV03109.flv)
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x284/desertcharger_2007/Supercharger%20%20install/DSC03088.jpg

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x284/desertcharger_2007/El%20Paso%20Drags%202-22-09/th_100_3139.jpg (http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x284/desertcharger_2007/El%20Paso%20Drags%202-22-09/?action=view&current=100_3139.flv)
:beerchug:

I picked up a second at the track:rocker:

[LongDriving]

I was at Hutter Performance a few weeks ago (mostly work on GM cars). They primarily only use ProCharger and Kenne Bell Super Chargers. It sounded like the main reason was because of the plumbing. Not a big deal to me but they seem to know what they're talking about :rockon:

[MoparBot]

I think my plan (after I pay off the car) is to find a used SC kit cheap. Then wait until i can get a 5.7 forged for F.I and go at it safe and economical. I'm not sure if I need anything monstrous like a 426 stroker.