anything for the 3.5s?

[Waldo]

is there anything out there for the 3.5s?

[CHARGERTREV]

????? what kind of things

[Waldo]

cool things.....that would be catogorized in this section....

[CHARGERTREV]

oh...didnt even read what list it was in....but theres someone working on a S/C....I wouldnt mine twin turbos....

[Waldo]

oh...didnt even read what list it was in....but theres someone working on a S/C....I wouldnt mine twin turbos....


yea......I want somthing that makes me faster than a srt....but for less than like $500 haha.

what type of power would we have with a s/c or twin turb?

[CHARGERTREV]

yea......I want somthing that makes me faster than a srt....but for less than like $500 haha.

what type of power would we have with a s/c or twin turb?

I *THINK* I saw that a s/c with 6 pouds will get you to 250rwhp range....think. Noone has done a T/T that I know of.

[Waldo]

I *THINK* I saw that a s/c with 6 pouds will get you to 250rwhp range....think. Noone has done a T/T that I know of.

oh shiz....so thats some bang.....could easily run with mustang gt with that and a few bolt ons...maybe...I kno nothing about cars.

[CHARGERTREV]

oh shiz....so thats some bang.....could easily run with mustang gt with that and a few bolt ons...maybe...I kno nothing about cars.

No clue...need to see some on the street.

[sandt]

Keep an eye out for threads from wishing for hemi ... I believe he's going to be testing a super/pro charger in the very near future.

[CHARGERTREV]

^^he IS..well there fitting one now

[Ron380]

yea......I want somthing that makes me faster than a srt....but for less than like $500 haha.


Gravity is free! :grin: Find a looonnnggg hill ... :D

Wait a few months... the aftermarket for these is just now starting to heat up! :bigthumb:

[RitzRT]

Gravity is free! :grin: Find a looonnnggg hill ... :D

Wait a few months... the aftermarket for these is just now starting to heat up! :bigthumb:

Or drop it out of a C-130. Terminal velocity will even beat the speed limiter.

:rocker:

[Samoan Tsunami]

is there anything out there for the 3.5s?

PLENTY of stuff....parts, performance and suspension....


although most of it is posted in the V6 forum ;)

[thefever]

check over on lxforums. they have some threads about a few v6 guys running sc

[sandt]

check over on lxforums. they have some threads about a few v6 guys running sc

I believe those were Thomas Knight kits ... earlier versions. I seemed to be a lot of tuning involved in getting them setup and to run correctly. The one I know of has got his running fairly well and is pretty happy with the outcome. Personally, when putting out that kind of money, I expect a kit to be self sufficient. I shouldn't have to go back and forth for parts or explanations. That being said, I believe they were early in the development stage when they were put on.

[wishing for hemi]

the thomas knight kit is running 3.5 psi and i believ 280 hp to the wheels. you also have to run an extra imjector. i will be throwing a supercharger on in a couple weeks. the shop left for sema today and wont be back until the 8th. after they get back they need to cnc the bracket and i should have it on and tuned by the end of november. the 6 psi might have come from one of my posts. so let me clarify. i was talking with john the guy doing the kit and he was origionaly going to boost @ 4.5 psi. after he found out i was pushing a 125 shot of n2o and the 3.5 has a forged bottom end from the factory we got to talking about boosting higher levels. the 6 psi i was refering to was the minimumboost levels but that wont nessicarily be the limit. i am trying to max out these internals and see what these internals can handle. i am not sure what boost level he will be putting on my car but i am wanting 8-10 psi and after the testing phase is done. i will probobly go a bit higher like 12-16 but thats as i upgrade to a hemi fuel pump and try to find some bigger injectors or have mine rebuilt whichever is the better route at that time. the cams i have installed are only a mild upgrade so it should help out the s/c a lot. i just have to wait to boost a very high level until i have installed the larger cams and the heads that are comming

[the_saint]

the thomas knight kit is running 3.5 psi and i believ 280 hp to the wheels. you also have to run an extra imjector. i will be throwing a supercharger on in a couple weeks. the shop left for sema today and wont be back until the 8th. after they get back they need to cnc the bracket and i should have it on and tuned by the end of november. the 6 psi might have come from one of my posts. so let me clarify. i was talking with john the guy doing the kit and he was origionaly going to boost @ 4.5 psi. after he found out i was pushing a 125 shot of n2o and the 3.5 has a forged bottom end from the factory we got to talking about boosting higher levels. the 6 psi i was refering to was the minimumboost levels but that wont nessicarily be the limit. i am trying to max out these internals and see what these internals can handle. i am not sure what boost level he will be putting on my car but i am wanting 8-10 psi and after the testing phase is done. i will probobly go a bit higher like 12-16 but thats as i upgrade to a hemi fuel pump and try to find some bigger injectors or have mine rebuilt whichever is the better route at that time. the cams i have installed are only a mild upgrade so it should help out the s/c a lot. i just have to wait to boost a very high level until i have installed the larger cams and the heads that are comming
that's interesting, I can remember when I made a post on this site saying the 3.5 could handle more than 5psi on a stock bottom I got ridiculed.. interesting turn of events we have here.

[wishing for hemi]

a while back the 3.5 couldnt handle more than what thomas knight was pushing. no matter how stout the bottom end is we still had to worry about detonation. without tuning we cant get anywhere. but isnt it nice to know you knew what was up way back then. i figure with the 125 shot i already was able to prove our engines can handle more than 5 psi on a turbo or s/c. hp equvalant it would be around 6 psi and is still a form of boost in a way

[tbyrne]

STS may have a turbo available for the V6 in the future. There is a famous b-ball player driving around with one on his V6 "LX" car.

Tom

[wishing for hemi]

STS may have a turbo available for the V6 in the future. There is a famous b-ball player driving around with one on his V6 "LX" car.

Tom

did it say an expected psi or cfm

[NBx33]

I would love to see the V6ers rock out with twin turbos.

MOst stock engines with Fuel Management can or should be able to handle 6psi right?

[firemnfrank]

I am looking forward to reading how the supercharger is working on your car "wishing for hemi".

I hope the unit is going for 6psi as a standard, also curios to see how the pulley system is going to work so there is no slip.

Been almost a year i have had my TK system installed and 22,000 miles on it. The system seems durable but without some kind of oil supply to the bearings i am not comfortable running that fast of an rpm with the current bearings to get that high of a boost as well as still using the extra injector to supply the needed fuel.

Are they going to use an inter cooler with your setup or water/meth like i have installed to keep the air temp cool under pressure?

Once John has the completed system i hope he is willing to sell parts of the kit separately and not just the whole thing. With all i have put into my setup i would like change, upgrade or add needed items to my setup as my budget allows and eventually changing the supercharger and brackets once finances permit.


Charger - SXT

[wishing for hemi]

as for now i can asure you this system will not slip a belt. the first set of brackets is being reworked for added strenth to make sure of it i am stilll wiating on pics but havnt gotten from the member that took em when he saw the unit installed. at first they were looking at a water/meth kit but then decided that an intercooler woulfd be nice to offer as well so i think its up to you. that is still up in the air. as for the extra injector we are looking into seeing what the stock units will do with help of a tune and if not poss. new injectors. they believe that the there are better ways to do it than an extra injector. im with you though buddy i cant wait to see this unit installed and see what she will do.

[wishing for hemi]

I would love to see the V6ers rock out with twin turbos.

MOst stock engines with Fuel Management can or should be able to handle 6psi right?

am pretty sure we will ber doing more than 6 psi but we woulld really like to see how good the stock fuel system is. i am already looking into rebuilding the stock injectors and have found a few places if that is a nessisary step. but usualy 6 is a nice modest setup and with tunning should be all right. remember this is very new territory we are getting into for these cars so we just have to take it a slow step at a time

[firemnfrank]

When i had my set-up tuned the stock injectors were only able to provide enough fuel for 2lbs of boost, look forward to hearing how the tune and the injector set-up for this system goes,

[wishing for hemi]

When i had my set-up tuned the stock injectors were only able to provide enough fuel for 2lbs of boost, look forward to hearing how the tune and the injector set-up for this system goes,

they are going to be getting new injectors for the kit and poss. a fuel pump upgrade but only if its nessesary for the pump. we will try the stock unit first and if it doesnt supply enough then we will upgrade

[CHARGER 3.5 SXT S/C]

I have a Whiplash Supercharger, pretty easy to install, it is alot of fun, big difference,

[Waldo]

I have a Whiplash Supercharger, pretty easy to install, it is alot of fun, big difference,

lol....way to plug your product in on your first and only post.

[CHARGER 3.5 SXT S/C]

I am not a vendor, just was adding to this thread, nothing more,


That S/C looks great , hands down ,

[TheBigAndy]

I am not a vendor, just was adding to this thread, nothing more,


That S/C looks great , hands down ,

Do you have any pictures? Price? Dyno sheets?

[Waldo]

Do you have any pictures? Price? Dyno sheets?

i think it adds 60-70 hp to the wheels (250ish total power to em)....i think it runs like $3650
http://i44.tinypic.com/21o66ma.jpg

http://customautoresource.com/Parts%20SC%20White.jpg

[fluffykush]

^ isn't that the Thomas Knight turbo-charger?

[Waldo]

^ isn't that the Thomas Knight turbo-charger?

yea it looks like it.....but I jus searched the whiplash thing like he said and went to thier site and those were the pics they had.

[CHARGER 3.5 SXT S/C]

They had a couple of kits from the Sema Show, I bought one for $2550.00 plus shipping, no dynos yet, very easy to install, so far,very happy, paid a shop to put it in for me, cost $200, they were impressed with the kit to, the kit was in one piece to, took 3 hours to install, probably could have done it myself,

Sorry that I can not answer any of these questions,
1 month old with this supercharger,very big difference than before,

I do not know much about engines

Will get some pictures when I get some more time, this is the picture of there myspace page, this is the whiplash supercharger, I paid $2550.00
great deal
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk5/jay_kleiner/X_MASBrian.jpg
yea it looks like it.....but I jus searched the whiplash thing like he said and went to thier site and those were the pics they had.

[modern-muscle]

Wow that thing is $2550? Our system should be ready in a couple weeks and there are details here in our vendor section

http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96138

[SublimeDaytona268]

Wow that thing is $2550?

Yea, who woulda thought.... :rolleyes:

[TheBigAndy]

You got it from sema? where do you live? what vendor did you get it from and how are you tunning it?

[sandt]

You got it from sema? where do you live? what vendor did you get it from and how are you tunning it?

Although I don't know the specifics of this guy, but I would ask many questions and be wary of the answers. There are some who claim he is pushing a product he knows very little about. Again, I can't say either way, but in case you weren't aware, just thought I'd throw that out for thought.

[asonitez]

wow. 2.5K ish for a supercharger. even I can afford that. I'm interested in this whiplash thing.

[wishing for hemi]

wiplash and thomas knote are the same thing. over on the lx forums there is a big thing going on about the kit. the wiplash kit is still being tunned by an extra injector and that just doesnt sit right with me. it inefficiently gets the job done and thats why they are keeping boost down. after some years they are getting the belt slippage problem out of the way but without a good fuel system and a tune i would watch out

[firemnfrank]

wiplash and thomas knote are the same thing. over on the lx forums there is a big thing going on about the kit. the wiplash kit is still being tunned by an extra injector and that just doesnt sit right with me. it inefficiently gets the job done and thats why they are keeping boost down. after some years they are getting the belt slippage problem out of the way but without a good fuel system and a tune i would watch out

True Thomas Knight is the designer and builder of the system and the name of the system is now being called the Whiplash Supercharger, but why not call it that, Thomas Knight would rather sell the system through a vendor than himself and it would be better to call it something other than the name of the builder and it sounds better.

At the moment the extra injector is the "only" thing that allows us to have a supercharger on our engines. So far there still are no real mass produced turbo systems or other supercharger systems for our engines other than what Thomas Knight has provided for the 3.5 and 2.7 engine, there was talk and promises of others but nothing even after the Diablo has come to market. It is great that lately "JohnParts" is seriously working on a supercharger for for the 3.5, but if you have a 2.7 then you are left further out of the performance loop, but the Whiplash system at least allows the 2.7 crowd to install a power adder to their motor because of the extra injector.

Regarding extra injectors:
If you use nitrous you will use an extra injector and for the nitrous/fuel wet system as well. If you use water/meth an extra injector is also used.

With both of those system no one seems to think it is a bad way of delivering the mixtures especially something as con traversal as nitrous, yes there are better and improved ways but for most systems the extra injector in the intake tube is the most common way of delivery for both nitrous and water/meth.

So if you are going to add boost to our engines 3.5 or 2.7 by either supercharger or a turbo, for now an extra injector is the "only" way to get the extra fuel our the motors need (not talking about the HEMI systems here).

Hopefully in the future with 2 company's working "together" on their own separate but different kind of systems and with the same goal in mind "providing us with a supercharger" for the 3.5, one day soon we will have a supercharger with larger injectors and tunning to replace the extra injector. Once that happens then the extra injector may be a thing of the past "unless" you own a 2.7, and if you own a 2.7 like i mentioned there will still be a supercharger available for that motor as well from what i have been told.

As most of you know i have been running the extra injector for a year and 27,000 miles now. I have had some issues with the belt slipping but have fixed that and am now going to go the Whiplash 2009 single belt system. I have had the car on the dyno 4 times now and that includes 3 hours of tunning for the 4 time running 4.5lbs if boost. Never has the CMR tuner seen lean numbers for air/fuel with the extra injector, and with the extra injector and supercharger i have gained 60hp at the wheels and like i said the CMR tuner never saw a lean condition, not bad.

Like i always say i would rather have the supercharger installed than not because it works, and for the past year i have enjoyed driving the car more with the supercharger and extra injector than the previous 2 years without the system installed. I now have 77,000 miles on my car and everything is still working fine and it has been nice to know i can run with the HEMI's in the car club when they take off.

Its been a good year and i am glad i did take the chance and do have a supercharger on my car.

In the future soon everyone will have a choice of 2 different systems by 2 different manufactures, and the winner will be us, because we will have a choice of the one we want to have on our cars, and with both designers working together these systems will come to market that much faster.

[modern-muscle]

And we will be working on a 2.7 as soon as the 3.5 system is done so you will have that choice too. The 3.5 kit is running and will be getting tuned this week so we will see what happens.

[modern-muscle]

Video of the progress. Waiting on the correct silicon intake hoses and injectors. Then we get into boost.






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[modern-muscle]

http://www.modern-muscle.com/albums/modern_muscle_products/P1100296.JPG

[Michaels_RT]

Whats the compression ratio on the 3.5 liter motor? higher then 10:1?

[Waldo]

i think its just 10:1.....maybe

[Michaels_RT]

no reason a motor cant take 6-8 psi at 10:1 compression as long as the fuel and tune is done properly. I ran one of my cars at that compression and 8-9 psi for a very very long time with no problems...till an oil pump failed and I spun a bearing. lol. I know that car wasnt a Charger, but you would think the principles are the same.

[modern-muscle]

compression is 10:1. We ran our blower at 10psi with not even a hint of detonation. This is with no FMIC or meth injection. Tuning is very important.

[Johnparts]

Non vendor sales post has been reported Jay

[wishing for hemi]

fireman you may be right on the 2.7 but the diablo and a larger set of injectors are able to be done. we can use whatever modern muscle did., we can use srt4 injectors or we can pay a bit extra and rc engineering will make you a set to spec for about 500 bucks. and you have to send them 1 stock injector. with the diablo you can set fuel and spark maps wherever you want them if the tuner has the program to do cmr tunes. the extra injector was a great work around back in the early 90's when this was all being developed but to say the only way to do it is add an extra injector is a very ignorant statement. you just have to get creative and do some research about what works and what doesnt.