Pedders needs training vehicles all over the USA

[DMS]

Pedders needs Taining LXs all over the USA!!
Pedders is expanding faster than we can build it. We need training LXs all over the USA. Here is where we currently need them:

1. San Diego, CA
2. Van Nuys, CA
3. SF Bay area, Ca.
4. Modesto, Ca
5. Seattle, Wa area
6. Upper (Rochester) AND lower New York (Long Island area)
7. New Jersey, Central east area
8. Phoenix, Tempe Tucson, Az
9. Clinton, Mi
10. Morrow, Ga
11. Oswego, Ill
12. Martinsville, VA
13. Chambersburg, Pa
14. Addison, Ill
15. Orlando, Florida

The system must be a TRACKII and you willb e given a 25% discount on parts and labor.

This system is substantial, and includes almost all the bushings, front aThe reviews have been fantastic.

So if you are interested, check out the pedders web site to see all the parts,
at Pedders Suspension
www.peddersusa.com
Also you can see a install photo shoot at

http://rides.webshots.com/album/565278902mdyuwv
mike
dms

[Orange Crush 375]

How much is a Track II out the door with $25% off and how long does an installation take? Any chance this will be offered for the Touring package? I'm about an hour and a half South of MM in Oswego, IL but don't need a full Track II.

[hemi4me?]

OC375

What are you hoping to get done? I might be able to work something out with you in Oswego... PM or Email or call me anytime!

Thank you!

Paul

[DMS]

I am VERY pleased to announce that Pedders USA has a new dealer,
CMJ Performance
107 West Fullerton Ave
Addison Il 60101
(630)628-0005

Jeff and John have been a major influence in the LX community with their upgraded rear end assembly, engine work, ad major chasis upgrades. I have seen their work first hand on my most favorite training Magnun I have done in Las Vegas that is located in my signature. A pictorial review of the install is available by a link. Please note the rear end assembly that is in this unit was done by CMJ and is also in RedFox0099's Magnum.

I will be flying out there on the first week of October for training. We will be having a Pedders Day event on Sunday, October 5th.

As a special treat, Pedders will have lots of vehicles we have sponsored at Sema this year. But we just squeezed one more in. We have partnered up with CMJ Performance to upgrade RedFox0099 chasis. We will be doing a complete TrackII with heavy emphasis on drag racing. He is also putting in a new 426 Hemi, custom built for a Procharger application. As a special note, we will be doing a live video streaming of the installation and upgrade of the entire chasis, transmission, and engine.

We are looking for additional training vehicles if you have any interest. On the Pedders Day, we will be doing our 28 point inspections at no charge. You will be able to see and find out what shape your radius rod and Xmemember bushings are in. We will show you! Plus there will be 10% discounts on all Pedders parts sold on this day, plus another 10% discount o labor to install the Pedders bits that are associated with this Pedders Day. PLUS LIFETIME WARRANTY ON ALL PEDDERS PARTS sold on this day when installed by CMJ.

Also, come and see and learn about the benefits of our tire scrub bushing kit, and find out how easy it can be to install.

Hope to see all of you there. This is a great opportunity to see why Pedders is exploding accross the entire USA and why we have a very serious amount of requests for sponsorships for SEMA this year!

thanks,
mike
dms

[Orange Crush 375]

What specifically did the deal do/not do Mecha? Just curious.

[Orange Crush 375]

Maybe 25% off the parts and FREE labor would sound a bit better?

Since the car is being used for training purposes you don't have to pay anybody a hourly labor rate anyway.....

x2 Excellent point! Now THAT would get me interested in making the drive.

[Orange Crush 375]

A mechanic should take a 25% of thier billable hours and give them away because he is working while being supervised on an LX? You must have posted this after listening to one too many election year speeches. :D

There are not many working men and women who can afford to give away a weeks worth of wages with the current cost of living. That is the only reason anyone would would post this -- money is tight and everyone is looking for a deal. The deal is 25% and just like the TV show Deal or No Deal.

A simple "That's not the deal, but thanks." would have sufficed. Thanks anyway and good luck with the Illinois installs.
-Dave

[JusticePete]

A simple "That's not the deal, but thanks." would have sufficed. Thanks anyway and good luck with the Illinois installs.
-DaveYou are welcome.

[srt8_hmi]

The shop I deal with had been "approved" by Pedders as an installer, being that Pete came and toured the facility. Two of the three vehicles needed to get things rolling were already a go, mine being the third. Even after reading some horror stories about Pedders I knew they still had an awesome product, so I was inquiring about the pricing. Weeks went by with no answer, I asked the shop what the story was and was told that after several emails and phone calls a Pedders rep requested that they come and tour the facilty... This was after they had already been there and gave them the green light!! Im sure that shop wanted no part at making some easy money... Maybe Pedders sells enough products to turn away a G8, GTO, and a srt8.. Pete has said before that there are plenty of others out there that offer a product, so I chose the KWV2's with the Hotchkis sway bar set up(thanks BMC!!). I absolutley love them. BTW i know.. there are 3 sides to the story... right Pete??

[JusticePete]

The shop I deal with had been "approved" by Pedders as an installer, being that Pete came and toured the facility. Two of the three vehicles needed to get things rolling were already a go, mine being the third. Even after reading some horror stories about Pedders I knew they still had an awesome product, so I was inquiring about the pricing. Weeks went by with no answer, I asked the shop what the story was and was told that after several emails and phone calls a Pedders rep requested that they come and tour the facilty... This was after they had already been there and gave them the green light!! Im sure that shop wanted no part at making some easy money... Maybe Pedders sells enough products to turn away a G8, GTO, and a srt8.. Pete has said before that there are plenty of others out there that offer a product, so I chose the KWV2's with the Hotchkis sway bar set up(thanks BMC!!). I absolutley love them. BTW i know.. there are 3 sides to the story... right Pete??
The OE rubber bushes barely function well with the loads the oOE bars, dampers and coils place on them. The additional loads of the your new bars and coilovers make them proportionately weaker. Your bumpsteer is has increased if you lowered your vehicle. Your rear step out is more dramatic. Now as far as a shop being approved, tell me what shop this is and I tell you if your statement is accurate.

[srt8_hmi]

LM SPEED in Decatur Indiana.

[JusticePete]

I have cleaned the thread of posts that are not relevant to to Shop Certification vehicles. If you are interested in being part of this you are welcome here. If you have a complaint about Pedders please direct them to me at:

Peter G. Basica
President Pedders USA, LLC
9539 Lakeshore Drive
West Olive, MI 49460
O 1.248.522.8021
F 1.248.522.8165
M 1.616.834.8100

PGB@PeddersUSA.com

Mike is looking for additional vehicles for shop certifaction in various areas of the country. If you are interested or have questions for Mike post them here.

[JusticePete]

LM SPEED in Decatur Indiana.
I went out of my way to visit with them. They are in a small market and have a nice shop. Rick and Ed are good guys with a good experience from Lingenfelter.
LM Speed has not made their initial order nor scheduled a Shop Certification. That is why they are not yet a Pedders Dealer. In this case there is no more or no less. Until they place an initial order so we can schedule a Shop Certification and Pedders Day, nothing will happen.

You said, there are 3 sides to the story... right Pete?? No, that would be incorrect here. There is only one side to this. LM Speed has to order. No order, no deal, no dealer and we don't ask dealers for orders, they ask us to become dealers. That is not arrogant. That is how we measure commitment from the front of the process.

Now if you have different information we should get on a conference call with Rick, Ed, you and me. We'll put an end to any busll**** then and there. The mistake I made with Metgo was trying to do things privately. Do our work quietly and protect the Dealer and the Customer, both who made a mess of things. It didn't work. So now in this community life is an open book. No more BS. It is what it is.

[srt8_hmi]

I still might go the Pedders route... I just need to get some prices from them.

[JusticePete]

I still might go the Pedders route... I just need to get some prices from them.
That's cool. You can also contact Rich Johnson our Dealer in Ohio. Rich and Eric are super guys.

Erik Johnson
Rich Johnson
Back Street Performance
650 W. Smith Rd. Unit 12
Medina, OH 44256
O 330.764.1923

They are not fully LX certified, but any excuse to visit Eric and Rich is a really good one. Depending on your goals with your car a Track II Bush Ki (https://secure.merlinsoftware.com.au/peddersusa/default.aspx?ProdCode=LX+TRK+BUSH+KIT&Level1=CHRYSLER&Level2=CHARGER)t is designed exactly for your application. You KV and Hotchkis will feel like different parts. Backstreet is eligible for the Shop Certification promor as is LM Speed when they are ready.

[DMS]

I still might go the Pedders route... I just need to get some prices from them.

I would imagine by now, you can tell that Pete and I are pretty passionate about our Pedders. We have been growing so fast, that we can make mistakes. Our dealers, yes, no matter how well we train them, can error as the dealer did on the post you referenced. But the errors are well below industry standard. Having dealers trained one on one is a really big deal. They were not trained by me, but all new dealers are now, and I am fanatic, and have made a manual on the procedure.
Anyway, with that said, If you need assistance in any way with respect to technical stuff on whatever you are looking for, I would be glad to assist you.

I did send LM a email about the situation you described, and will be waiting for their response. Hopefully they will respond.

Thanks for thinking about Pedders

I am not sure how far CMJ is from you, bu if you want to make the drive, I will be there doing training, would be glad to give your LX a good look over with you there.



mike
dms

[Redfox0099]

I have been dealing with Pedders recently to help get a training day for CMJ Performance in Addison, IL.

Pedders responded to all my emails and called CMJ to coordinate the event with them ALONG with rearranging their schedule to get the training done for my car based on the time line we had for SEMA.

CMJ was approved as a dealer quickly as they have the shop tools needed to do these installs in hand from their dealing with developing the Track Killer Rear Axle setup that myself and a few others run.

Pedders has been more than adequate in dealing with me in this endeavor and I thank them for their support and hard work at opening up new shops around the country.

[Redfox0099]

Ok just to clarify I as a vendor do not sell Pedders Product, I am merely a customer of theirs like anyone else.



My car is being used for a training vehicle for CMJ Performance where I am having a Super Charger installed in October and the Pedders Suspension products. I do not own a shop capable of doing this kind of install nor would I want to, too dirty for my hands :)



The install for the training day we are talking about is 16 hours by a trained person....by asking a shop to offer FREE labor for that means you are say:



"Hey mechanic, I am going to have you work on something for 1-2 days and show you how to do it but you can't get paid for that time"



I don't know about you but at my job when we get trained on something new...we still get paid for our time. I would not do new training for my company if they told me I had to do training but not get paid for it. Think of what you make in 2 days at your job and how that amount pays the water bill, electric, etc. Now take that away and see how you feel.



I think a better understanding of the system in place would allow some forum members to see the issue with an open mind and maybe see another side.

[FLEX]

Pedders needs Taining LXs all over the USA!!


Any future plans to add Canadian dealers?

-=FLEX=-

[Rob@WretchedMS]

Any future plans to add Canadian dealers?

-=FLEX=-

Do you have any shop recommendations?

[jamin19]

The install for the training day we are talking about is 16 hours by a trained person....by asking a shop to offer FREE labor for that means you are say:



"Hey mechanic, I am going to have you work on something for 1-2 days and show you how to do it but you can't get paid for that time"



I don't know about you but at my job when we get trained on something new...we still get paid for our time. I would not do new training for my company if they told me I had to do training but not get paid for it. Think of what you make in 2 days at your job and how that amount pays the water bill, electric, etc. Now take that away and see how you feel.



I think a better understanding of the system in place would allow some forum members to see the issue with an open mind and maybe see another side.

I still don't understand your reasoning.

I used to be a technician for a service center repairing electric generators. The company I worked for wanted to be an Authorized Service Center for certain name brand gernerator company, I am sure to expand sales and service within their region. All the technicians, including myself, had to take classes to be certified by the name brand generator company. Since my employer looked at this as an INVESTMENT for future sales, they did not require me to take the classes WITHOUT pay. That would be absurd! They looked to it as an investment and payed for the classes, the traveling expenses and paid for my time.
I don't think anyone has asked any technician to make the installs WITHOUT pay. The cost should fall back on the shop trying to get certified as it is an investment for them.

Cheers

[Rob@WretchedMS]

I still don't understand your reasoning.

I used to be a technician for a service center repairing electric generators. The company I worked for wanted to be an Authorized Service Center for certain name brand gernerator company, I am sure to expand sales and service within their region. All the technicians, including myself, had to take classes to be certified by the name brand generator company. Since my employer looked at this as an INVESTMENT for future sales, they did not require me to take the classes WITHOUT pay. That would be absurd! They looked to it as an investment and payed for the classes, the traveling expenses and paid for my time.
I don't think anyone has asked any technician to make the installs WITHOUT pay. The cost should fall back on the shop trying to get certified as it is an investment for them.

Cheers

Keep in mind that a lot of the shops that your dealing with are not large operations that can just pay out bunches of money and not have anything to offset that, and others, (like me) have certain policies that do not allow us to do what you suggest, and doing so could cost me my job.

[JusticePete]

I still don't understand your reasoning.

I used to be a technician for a service center repairing electric generators. The company I worked for wanted to be an Authorized Service Center for certain name brand generator company, I am sure to expand sales and service within their region. All the technicians, including myself, had to take classes to be certified by the name brand generator company. Since my employer looked at this as an INVESTMENT for future sales, they did not require me to take the classes WITHOUT pay. That would be absurd! They looked to it as an investment and payed for the classes, the traveling expenses and paid for my time.
I don't think anyone has asked any technician to make the installs WITHOUT pay. The cost should fall back on the shop trying to get certified as it is an investment for them.

Cheers

It is a cost effective for the consumer, the shop and the tech. Keep in mind that the entire process is supervised by a Pedders Trainer who is a Master ASE with over 35 years of experience. The Shop certification process is not designed to teach Shop 101. The shops are almost exclusively referrals from internet forums like this. These are quality shops with or without Pedders. What we teach are the nuances of the chassis and our products.

When a shop approaches Pedders, they generally have a customer already to go. As far as cost and expense, Pedders picks up the the expense of the trainer. If things go as planned the shops cover costs and the customer gets a special price. The offer is to increase the number of vehicles we do at a shop because repetition is a good thing.

We run internal schools as well. You can learn a lot from a structured program. Our LX manual is about 40 pages and a supplement to All Data or other technical references. When you get into the field with cars exposed to weather, performance modifications, abuse from the owner or the roads it is a different kind of car and learning. The best program includes, classroom, books an real world hands on work is the best combination. The best way to get the real world is with Shop Certification vehicles.

[FLEX]

Do you have any shop recommendations?

Not at all. I'm an Accountant, not a gearhead.

Eastway Chrysler in Scarborough seems to be a competent dealer that does aftermarket installs. They would likely be worth considering. Other than that I have no idea. There are scads of performance improvement type shops in the Greater Toronto Area. And since the GTA is home to about 20% of Canada's population, that would be a good place to start expanding outside of the US.

If/when you're ready to get a Canadian dealer, let me know. Otherwise if/when I am ready to Pedderize my car I'll sneak across the border to upstate NY (about an hour drive for me). Do you have any dealers there?

-=FLEX=-

[Rob@WretchedMS]

we'll take note of that dealer,

As for a NY dealer, we have one in Rochester, it's more like mid New York, does that count?

[FLEX]

we'll take note of that dealer,

As for a NY dealer, we have one in Rochester, it's more like mid New York, does that count?

Rochester is less than a 2 hour drive for me.

Definitely doable.

-=FLEX=-

[jamin19]

Keep in mind that a lot of the shops that your dealing with are not large operations that can just pay out bunches of money and not have anything to offset that, and others, (like me) have certain policies that do not allow us to do what you suggest, and doing so could cost me my job.

I can understand that, if that is what the industry standard is in your field. I can understand if smaller operations need to adjust costs the best they can.

In the field I was in, it was different.

Cheers

[DMS]

Any future plans to add Canadian dealers?

-=FLEX=-

Yes,

We have found a dealer development manager for Canada. Not sure yet when he will be actually on line

mike
dms

[GLHS837]

People, enough going off in a vendors forum. Consider this warning given.

[DMS]

Rochester is less than a 2 hour drive for me.

Definitely doable.

-=FLEX=-

So are you seriously thinking about it?
thanks
mike
dms

[TheBeastMaster]

I see Morrow, GA. I assume that means Speedfactory/Landmark Dodge. I have recently had them do some work on my car, and I asked them about Pedders, and they said they were in talks to become dealers. I'm not looking for a TrackII, but was probably going to have the StreetI or II put in instead. Is there a way we could work out a deal on that maybe?

[DMS]

I see Morrow, GA. I assume that means Speedfactory/Landmark Dodge. I have recently had them do some work on my car, and I asked them about Pedders, and they said they were in talks to become dealers. I'm not looking for a TrackII, but was probably going to have the StreetI or II put in instead. Is there a way we could work out a deal on that maybe?

The purpose of the training is to be there, one on one, and instruct the techs, in the art of the complete system. This is why our training vehicles are TRACK systems.

thanks
mike
dms

[Redhemi14]

Do you have a shop on Long Island, NY... If so I might be interested in having work done on my 06 RT

[DMS]

Do you have a shop on Long Island, NY... If so I might be interested in having work done on my 06 RT

We are still working on that shop Should have some further info soon,

thanks
mike

[FLEX]

Yes,

We have found a dealer development manager for Canada. Not sure yet when he will be actually on line

mike
dms

OK, please keep me apprised of any developments.

So are you seriously thinking about it?
thanks
mike
dms

Yes, I need to do a little more homework, and it likely won't be until next year but I would like to lower my car and improve the handling.

-=FLEX=-

[DMS]

I am pleased to announce one of your newest Pedders dealers

MODERN MUSCLE
61 Kendall Point Drive
Oswego, ILL 60543

(630) 898-5933
phil@modern-muscle.com

I will be doing a shop certification there the entire week of the 22nd, flying there on the 22nd. We already have 4 potential certification vehicles lined up, but not sure yet if they have made their deposits or not.

We will be having the Pedders day and open house to the LX community from 10 to 3pm. We will also be able to do Pedders installs that day. I have had multiple inquiries about this. So if you do know that you want some installs, then you need to call Phil ASAP at 630-898-5933. Discounts and lifetime parts warranties will be offered that day only!

We will be offering free 28 point inspections with you there watching. Let us show you the condition of our radius rod bushings, rear xmember bushings, and show you the benifits of our bump steer kit. I will show you what torn radius rod bushings look like, and how to check them yourself. Dealerships are missing them all the time because they are difficult to see sometimes.

We will also be offering you 10% parts and labor Pedders discounts, plus lifetime warranty all all Pedders parts installed or ordered at this event. this is a no hassle warranty. You do not have to remove the parts, and send them to us for analysis like some of the popular shocks/springs installed on the LX, and hope they will warranty them. You can even race your LX. We do not care. We will, however, not warranty the parts if you damage them in a accident or impact!

Check out our Pedders Touring Package. Springs, shocks, struts and bump steer kits. Check this out:
Part Number Description
141206 GSR LX GSR Rear Shock $110.47
141206 GSR LX GSR Rear Shock $110.47
144304 GSR LX GSR Front Strut $158.93
144304 GSR LX GSR Front Strut $158.93
2940 LX Sports Ryder Front Coil $89.62
2940 LX Sports Ryder Front Coil $89.62
Rear Coil You may choose from any of the following rear coils 7026R, $89.62
Rear Coil You may choose from any of the following rear coils , 7026R, $89.62
EP2113 LX Bump Steer Correction Kit $81.56

$978.84 , less 10% discount that day only is $881!!!!!!

Special discounted labor of $250 plus align will be offered. If they install it, then you will get a LIFETIME Warranty on the parts!! So you can get the Pedders trouring package installed for $1132 plus alignment with lifetime warranty on the parts!

There has been lots of talk about the OEM bushings, noises in the front end, and premature front tire wear. Let me help you figure them out at no charge!
Let me review with all of you the need for a bump steer correction ad how it contributes to the very commone toe wear issues that plague the LX.

Looking forward meeting all of you

thanks
mike
dms

[Richie Carbone]

Mike, you have a PM regarding a car for the Orlando, FL area.

Thanks.