Gauging interst in catted X-pipes for the 3.5L and 5.7L

[MagnaflowRep]

Gauging interest in high flow cat pipes for the 3.5L and 5.7L

Please vote.

[q8charger]

I will be interested if the High-Flow Catalytic Converter Exhaust System available for 3.5l V6 .

[Bighemi06]

How about high flow mid pipes for the 5.7 ??

[MagnaflowRep]

I will be interested if the High-Flow Catalytic Converter Exhaust System available for 3.5l V6 .

I did receive your PM and made this poll in response to it along with your post. I will monitor this and gauge the overall interest and see what production thinks. Thank you for you input.

[MagnaflowRep]

How about high flow mid pipes for the 5.7 ??

It is in option in the poll as well. Make sure you vote.

[the_saint]

I did receive your PM and made this poll in response to it along with your post. I will monitor this and gauge the overall interest and see what production thinks. Thank you for you input.

Well I already have one of you universal xpipe muffler on my exhaust.I emailed you guys 2 months ago about high flow mids.i'll me interested in high flow mids if the price is right.

[Samoan Tsunami]

Gauging interst in catted X-pipes for the 3.5L and 5.7L

Please vote.

voted.

also thanx for the previous reccomendation on the 16936 system. 3 weeks now and highly pleased with it.



one question. how would the catted X pipes setup work with the current magnaflow dual outlet exhaust i have already installed.

or is it just the downpipes as shown?



any advantages to this in conjunction of your 16936 setup?

[Charger250]

This is exciting.

[MagnaflowRep]

voted.

also thanx for the previous reccomendation on the 16936 system. 3 weeks now and highly pleased with it.



one question. how would the catted X pipes setup work with the current magnaflow dual outlet exhaust i have already installed.

or is it just the downpipes as shown?



any advantages to this in conjunction of your 16936 setup?

If we were to produce one it would be with cats.

Great to hear your happy with your system!

[Charger250]

I assume they would be 50 state street legal? Also in general how much hp increase could we see? 1, 4, 10?

[wickedchargerrt]

i think everyone would love the pipes. the issue for you guys is competing with jba's price. If you beat that i think your golden

[lanbo]

Question to the OP. I'm not in the market for these because you won't have them when I need them sadly, but I would have bought them if you already made them. Would you want people in my situation to vote yes, no, or not at all. I don't want to mess up your poll, but would like to give you hopefully helpful info.

[Hemi_charger_RT]

doesnt magnaflow already make mid pipes for the 5.7?

why make them with x pipe, then there would be two x pipes in the 5.7 system? am i missing somthing?

[MagnaflowRep]

Question to the OP. I'm not in the market for these because you won't have them when I need them sadly, but I would have bought them if you already made them. Would you want people in my situation to vote yes, no, or not at all. I don't want to mess up your poll, but would like to give you hopefully helpful info.

Good question. I would say given that it's demand based and your not in the market vote no. Thanks for the help in this.

[MagnaflowRep]

doesnt magnaflow already make mid pipes for the 5.7?

why make them with x pipe, then there would be two x pipes in the 5.7 system? am i missing somthing?

You’re correct, the wording should be different. Thanks for pointing that out. The 5.7L and 6.1L systems have a built in x-pipe in the muffler so they would be, "High flow cat systems". I'll get the main page changed.

[Hemi_charger_RT]

but dont you s ake high flow midpipes already? i dont understand what your gettin interest for?

[wickedchargerrt]

There site only shows them for the 6.1 http://www.magnaflow.com/02product/shopdisplayproducts.asp?SID=4Dodge&zone=American&id=447&cat=Charger

However "offroad" and "with convertors" has me a little confused

[MagnaflowRep]

but dont you s ake high flow midpipes already? i dont understand what your gettin interest for?

No, as of right now we have not released a performace converter system for the 5.7L.

[MagnaflowRep]

There site only shows them for the 6.1 http://www.magnaflow.com/02product/shopdisplayproducts.asp?SID=4Dodge&zone=American&id=447&cat=Charger

However "offroad" and "with convertors" has me a little confused

Although it comes with converters it is listed for off-road use because they are higher flowing and not adequate enough in size to be "street legal". On the visual aspect there are still cats there so it would be fine there. We have to list them for off-road use because they technically don't do enough for emissions. I hope this answers your question.

[Charger250]

DiabloSport has been dyno-tuning a few 3.5L LX's. They have found adding CAI, Exaust, and headers, or any combination of the 3 does not increase hp as much as advertised. Looking at stock dyno results and q8charger's results this is also confirmed. He has all 3 and only about 10 more hp vs stock +/-.
He also has a friend who has all 3 upgrades, but has removed the cat completly. This car has about 7 more hp and 11.8 more torque(than q8chargers which has all 3 mods) from just removing the cat. This makes me believe the cat is a major deal and because you are only as stong as the weekest link, the cat is holing back the other parts enough that it almost doubles the power just by freeign up that one area. This makes me believe if a high quality high flow cat was released we would see a significant improvement.

[SublimeInMA]

Before I vote I need help, perhaps this should be a PM reply. I am extremely challenged in terms. I currently have an 07 Daytona Sublime with stock exhaust.

What is the advatange of a cat x-pipe?
Is a straight pipe better?
Is high flow better than stock?

Again, I dont mean to hijack the thread, just trying to understand differences to A) Help with the poll and B) for my future MOD knowledge.

Tom

[AWD Dave]

I would be interested in High Flow Cats included in full Exhaust system or the Hi Flow Cats system that can be a add on to your cat back system for your Charger Exhaust for a 2007 All Wheel Drive R/T Charger 5.7 . The HP exhaust that comes stock on the 5.7 AWD is too quite.
There seams to be little out there that I can find for All Wheel Drive.
Mopar has headers and Hi Flow Cat system for 5.7 but not for All Wheel Drive.
I was not happy Dodge did not support AWD Chargers like they do two wheel drive Chargers.
I would like to see a company support the AWD owners and have them check with Dodge on wither that would void there life time warrenty.
There are a lot of AWD owners that want performance just like the two wheel drive.This is an excellent car for winter driving and a great performance car for the everday driver. Plus added fun on the weekends . The more performance the more fun.
With the life time warranty on the drive train I would not want to lose my Warranty.I checked with my dealer and they said would not be a problem.

AWD Dave

I just love my Ride

[Samoan Tsunami]

DiabloSport has been dyno-tuning a few 3.5L LX's. They have found adding CAI, Exaust, and headers, or any combination of the 3 does not increase hp as much as advertised. Looking at stock dyno results and q8charger's results this is also confirmed. He has all 3 and only about 10 more hp vs stock +/-.
He also has a friend who has all 3 upgrades, but has removed the cat completly. This car has about 7 more hp and 11.8 more torque(than q8chargers which has all 3 mods) from just removing the cat. This makes me believe the cat is a major deal and because you are only as stong as the weekest link, the cat is holing back the other parts enough that it almost doubles the power just by freeign up that one area. This makes me believe if a high quality high flow cat was released we would see a significant improvement.


the majority of stock dynos i've personally seen are kicking out around 170-185 on avg to the wheels.

3.5L dyno stock sheets doing 170. http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d57/wheelife/horsepower_values.jpg

the dyno i used is a loading dyno which dynos 16% lower than a dynojet. adding in the 16% for comparison my bone stock numbers were 172.14 hp 204.16tq

with that being the case, Q8 charger could be sitting on a 20-25 HP gain (if he started at 170-ish and made it to 195 where he is currently) or it could be just a 10HP gain if he started higher.... i dont know if he has bone stock sheets to compare with to double check...


the reason i bring this up is MANY of the chargers here are dynoing at mid 180's as well. thats a near 15 more HP than mine and a others are dynoing at. and thats just in stock form.

does anyone, even magnaflow, know what our stock converters are made of?

wish we could see what the condition of q8chargers friends cats were like...good, clogged, etc???



either way upgraded cats and pipes would definately be appreciated. considering materials and design, they would probably be more efficient in the very least.

Magnaflowrep, on page 1 i asked about the compatibility with your current 16936 setup.

your reply was:If we were to produce one it would be with cats.

Great to hear your happy with your system!

i understand it would be with catalytic converters already included for the v6's, but will this be designed to work with your 16936 setup???

and is there any advantages of running and X pipe, right into a Y pipe?



the reason i am asking about that is that i need to know if this becomes available, will i have to upgrade my current magnaflow setup to make use of the catted X pipes???

[juvezak]

Magnaflow rep. Did you come up with a decision yet :alien:

[MagnaflowRep]

Before I vote I need help, perhaps this should be a PM reply. I am extremely challenged in terms. I currently have an 07 Daytona Sublime with stock exhaust.

What is the advatange of a cat x-pipe?
Is a straight pipe better?
Is high flow better than stock?

Again, I dont mean to hijack the thread, just trying to understand differences to A) Help with the poll and B) for my future MOD knowledge.

Tom

Sorry for the delayed responses everyone.

Let’s just forget the x-pipe because these probably won't have an x-pipe as part of the assembly. The advantage of a high flow cat assembly is mainly the cell count on the catalyst. Most stock cats have anywhere between 600-700 cells psi while our high flow cats have 400 cells psi. In addition, our piping is made of stainless steel and mandrel bent for optimum flow.

[MagnaflowRep]

the majority of stock dynos i've personally seen are kicking out around 170-185 on avg to the wheels.

3.5L dyno stock sheets doing 170. http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d57/wheelife/horsepower_values.jpg

the dyno i used is a loading dyno which dynos 16% lower than a dynojet. adding in the 16% for comparison my bone stock numbers were 172.14 hp 204.16tq

with that being the case, Q8 charger could be sitting on a 20-25 HP gain (if he started at 170-ish and made it to 195 where he is currently) or it could be just a 10HP gain if he started higher.... i dont know if he has bone stock sheets to compare with to double check...


the reason i bring this up is MANY of the chargers here are dynoing at mid 180's as well. thats a near 15 more HP than mine and a others are dynoing at. and thats just in stock form.

does anyone, even magnaflow, know what our stock converters are made of?

wish we could see what the condition of q8chargers friends cats were like...good, clogged, etc???



either way upgraded cats and pipes would definately be appreciated. considering materials and design, they would probably be more efficient in the very least.

Magnaflowrep, on page 1 i asked about the compatibility with your current 16936 setup.

your reply was:

i understand it would be with catalytic converters already included for the v6's, but will this be designed to work with your 16936 setup???

and is there any advantages of running and X pipe, right into a Y pipe?



the reason i am asking about that is that i need to know if this becomes available, will i have to upgrade my current magnaflow setup to make use of the catted X pipes???

If made it would be compatible with our cat-backs.

[MagnaflowRep]

Magnaflow rep. Did you come up with a decision yet :alien:

It's not my decision unfortunately. I pass all the poll and request information on to production. I'll provide updates as them come.

[RedRaider]

I guess I thought Magnaflow already made high flow cat mid pipes for the 5.7L. Does High Horse Performance just use Magnaflow cats and they make the pipes?

[Samoan Tsunami]

I guess I thought Magnaflow already made high flow cat mid pipes for the 5.7L. Does High Horse Performance just use Magnaflow cats and they make the pipes?


thats what it says on their website.

they state "Our direct bolt on stainless setup.....and replace them with our High Flow System that utilizes the best cats on the market made by Magnaflow."

thats how i read it...

[dodgerla]

Im interested in mid cat-pipes for the 3.5 and if you do decide to make them dont forget about cali. Id also let you use my car for your R&D Im about a hour away and I have your dual cat-back on. Thanks

[dodgerla]

So is this going anywhere?

[wickedchargerrt]

thats what it says on their website.

they state "Our direct bolt on stainless setup.....and replace them with our High Flow System that utilizes the best cats on the market made by Magnaflow."

thats how i read it...

I thought the hhp was jba stuff.


Magna be careful on prices guys. i like your products but there are comparable companies with cat backs 400 less than yours. Your gonna have trouble pushing these pipes if they are more than the competion of 300-400 dollars. Just a thought. I hope they get made and i like the quality of your guys products. Sides i'm a mario andretti and firestone fan, so if he endorses i'll be a victim of advertising :grin:

[Samoan Tsunami]

I thought the hhp was jba stuff.


Magna be careful on prices guys. i like your products but there are comparable companies with cat backs 400 less than yours. Your gonna have trouble pushing these pipes if they are more than the competion of 300-400 dollars. Just a thought. I hope they get made and i like the quality of your guys products. Sides i'm a mario andretti and firestone fan, so if he endorses i'll be a victim of advertising :grin:

which company has a comparable catback 400$ less? stainless steel, and a full size muffler and 2 resonators right?

i mean zoomers and corsa are like 3-400$ more.

[wickedchargerrt]

which company has a comparable catback 400$ less? stainless steel, and a full size muffler and 2 resonators right?

i mean zoomers and corsa are like 3-400$ more.

the magnaflow catbacks are like 1100 . Slp, jba, cherrybomb are all nearly half that

[juvezak]

the magnaflow catbacks are like 1100 . Slp, jba, cherrybomb are all nearly half that

where did you get this # from? check HHP they sell them for 600 or so

[Samoan Tsunami]

the magnaflow catbacks are like 1100 . Slp, jba, cherrybomb are all nearly half that

ummmm we talking MSRP or the price you can actually buy em at?

for the v6, the retail is 829$ the v8's are over 1000$ msrp, but are found on most of their distributor sites, ebay, and charger forum vendor sites at far less, street price.

street price from most all the dealers including ebay are 789. as said above me, HHP has/had em for a good sale price of 599. this if for the V6.


magnaflow for the 5.7L v8 chager/300/magnum 789$ http://estore.websitepros.com/802805/Detail.bok?no=198

here at planetmagnaflow is 828 with free shipping http://www.planetmagnaflow.com/shop/magnaflow-15628-225.html


honestly, most of the magnaflows that i have seen street price for the v8 or v6 in dual exhaust can be found for mid-high 7's to low 8's.... when NOT on sale...just reg year round price.


cherry bomb's setup also doesnt have the tail end mufflers/resonators for the v6
http://cherrybomb.com/am_cms_media/300656-Charger-06-08.gif

but use two of their glasspacks for the rear. glasspacks offer a cheaper packing than whats used in magnaflow mufflers and their system sells for 710$ at jegs http://www.jegs.com/i/Cherry%20Bomb/545/300643/10002/-1

it sounds ok, via what i heard on youtube, but knowing that the glasspack wont last as long as a magnaflow muffler... i'd easily pay the extra 60-70$

NOW, ZOOMERS is an 1100$ system. street price.;)

[dodgerla]

Im trying real hard not to brake the law but I need your help magnaflow. Can we get these mid-pipes going before I go with no cats straight pipe?

[Samoan Tsunami]

Im trying real hard not to brake the law but I need your help magnaflow. Can we get these mid-pipes going before I go with no cats straight pipe?

true, whats the new word with these?

[sco_pet]

voted for yes!!!

[Bizzle]

I voted yes for the 5.7

[dodgerla]

Hate to be a pain(not really) but so far we have 39 replies,1354 views,69 voted YES and 9 voted NO. SSSSOOOOOO can we get something going here or what?

[killerbee88]

Yes if its a good price i would love to get my pipes from you guys with some other stuff...

[ayce]

Voted yes to, considering its a bolton, the more HP I can get with boltons the better. :cool:

[marshall9779]

Im trying real hard not to brake the law but I need your help magnaflow. Can we get these mid-pipes going before I go with no cats straight pipe?

Go with the JBA or HHP catted mids if you can't wait.

[dodgerla]

Go with the JBA or HHP catted mids if you can't wait.
Ive got a six dude.

[Samoan Tsunami]

whats the newest here? magnaflowrep.... are things in motion or ?


been holding off with headers until word on these...

[danny08]

are you going to make these or not?

[dodgerla]

This thread was made for a reason and the people have spoken. Yes we want so build it.................................Please :bowdown:

[bremo76]

interesting

[newmanisms]

No other word from the vendor? Anyone? Voted yes for the 3.5

[newmanisms]

Too late!! Bought the Zoomers.

[dodgerla]

No its not too late you can still use some mid pipes.

[CHARGERTREV]

Too late!! Bought the Zoomers.

Learn what you bought.....................

[newmanisms]

Yes, sorry. Bought the JBA's. It was a typo, Jeez... :bowdown:

[dodgerla]

Boy I wish someone would update this thread. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[wickedchargerrt]

look at it from their eyes. 24k in members here and only 80 said they'd buy the product, probably not gonna happen

[Samoan Tsunami]

look at it from their eyes. 24k in members here and only 80 said they'd buy the product, probably not gonna happen

buttttttt....out of the 24K, or if really that many, are active posters.... ;)

most forums have high number counts, but are usually composed of members who dont post anymore, sold their car and moved on; members who made a screen name with one model, then upgraded or downgraded and made a new name, or people from other forums that dont even have LX's and just signed up to come over and start BS or correct a clueless LX owner lying about something....:D (just things off the top of my mind that has occurred here since i've been here)

80 (each engine size was closer to 50 people ---49 yes 3.5L's-- ---48 yes 5.7L's---, but we'll say 80 for estimations sake :) ) people selling at what? 300-500$? thats 24,000$ - 40,000$ profit possible from just 1 forum, brah....

that doesnt include the one with a Z and the LX forum....then you have to factor in all the other cars that many people never even go online, much less to a forum....you know the cars we see daily that have the dual exhausts and 22 inch wheels, chromed out... the peeps that just go to local import and speed shops and browse through catalogs...

theres a market for it....:bigthumb:

[dodgerla]

Yea yea yea what he said.............. :clap:

[wickedchargerrt]

i didnt say there wasnt a market for it, i just said look at the responses and how often magnaflow has even been to this thread. if the biggest charger specific forum in the u.s. has about 100 people is it worth r & d for that. Let alone 100 people dont mean 100 buyers. Lots of people come on wanting things and only a percentage of them are ready to step up with any loot

[dodgerla]

i didnt say there wasnt a market for it, i just said look at the responses and how often magnaflow has even been to this thread. if the biggest charger specific forum in the u.s. has about 100 people is it worth r & d for that. Let alone 100 people dont mean 100 buyers. Lots of people come on wanting things and only a percentage of them are ready to step up with any loot
Your right about some not putting thier money where their mouth is but the two major mods(predator & headers) to come out for the V6 have both been hits with very good sales. Now why this thread is not responded to by magnaflow the ones that started the thread I have no idea.

[Samoan Tsunami]

i didnt say there wasnt a market for it, i just said look at the responses and how often magnaflow has even been to this thread. if the biggest charger specific forum in the u.s. has about 100 people is it worth r & d for that. Let alone 100 people dont mean 100 buyers. Lots of people come on wanting things and only a percentage of them are ready to step up with any loot

hey i can agree with that.

but just stating that the potential for sales are there.



i'm honestly to the point where i may get a replacement gimmick from a junk yard and have a shop weld it up when ready.

anyone can get stainless pipes. the high flow cat they will use, i am sure one can call and get the part number for the one they reccomend using, then any decent shop with stainless welding wire should be able to loose fit it, tack it, remove em, then tig it really nice to look factory and go from there.

its seeming many companies on here as of late are creating a buzz, but keeping stuff under wraps....

SEMA anyone ;)