Charger rumor list

[MoparMan]

I thought it might be useful to compile a list of rumors/leaks that we've all picked up about my next car - the upcoming Charger SRT-8.

Here's what I've got so far (confirm or deny as you can):

- summer '05 intro (possible '06 intro for PVO version)
- 6.1L Hemi (possibly blown)
- Tremec T56 trans (same as in Viper)
- two doors (although four doors may still be in consideration)
- styling is a mix of the current Viper SRT-10/'99 Charger concept/Magnum wagon

[ekool]

I thought it might be useful to compile a list of rumors/leaks that we've all picked up about my next car - the upcoming Charger SRT-8.

Here's what I've got so far (confirm or deny as you can):

- summer '05 intro (possible '06 intro for PVO version)
- 6.1L Hemi (possibly blown)
- Tremec T56 trans (same as in Viper)
- two doors (although four doors may still be in consideration)
- styling is a mix of the current Viper SRT-10/'99 Charger concept/Magnum wagon
I've heard the same things as you, I definetly think the 2 door version looks better then the 4 door version.

The "trademark" photos show the 2 door sketch, and that is what the car should look like.

[MoparMan]

I've heard the same things as you, I definetly think the 2 door version looks better then the 4 door version.

The "trademark" photos show the 2 door sketch, and that is what the car should look like.

Exactly. The patent was applied for with both two and four door drawings. The car was originally a two door concept until someone in management told them to change it to a four door. In fact, I had the files patent files you have posted(minus the photo of the concept in the corner of each) - I even saved them under the names you're using - hosted on my website for a long time. I pulled them off a copy of the patent app long ago and put them up for others to see. There are also drawings of the Charger's front and rear views...let me know if you want a copy.

[ekool]

Exactly. The patent was applied for with both two and four door drawings. The car was originally a two door concept until someone in management told them to change it to a four door. In fact, I had the files patent files you have posted(minus the photo of the concept in the corner of each) - I even saved them under the names you're using - hosted on my website for a long time. I pulled them off a copy of the patent app long ago and put them up for others to see. There are also drawings of the Charger's front and rear views...let me know if you want a copy.
Post them up in the picture post section. I watermarked the images I posted so that if they get linked anywhere, we might be able to get some more people interested in the forums here.

Post what you have, they wont be watermarked if you post them :)

[MoparMan]

Done. I've alos got copies of shots that other people took of the concept at various car shows. I could post them but I'm not sure about any legalities.

[hemidakota]

I thought it might be useful to compile a list of rumors/leaks that we've all picked up about my next car - the upcoming Charger SRT-8.

Here's what I've got so far (confirm or deny as you can):

- summer '05 intro (possible '06 intro for PVO version)
- 6.1L Hemi (possibly blown)
- Tremec T56 trans (same as in Viper)
- two doors (although four doors may still be in consideration)
- styling is a mix of the current Viper SRT-10/'99 Charger concept/Magnum wagon


Correct.

Remember, the first Charger or Sedan will appear in the spring time.

[MoparMan]

Correct.

Remember, the first Charger or Sedan will appear in the spring time.

Are you saying this spring or spring '05?

I think Chrysler's got something big coming for us this show season - maybe even at Daytona. For starters, they're having the VCA members that get to buy the special blue and white Viper club Ram SRT-10's pick up their trucks at a special ceremony at the race. It's not that far of a stretch to think they'll debut next year's NASCAR body - which is supposed to be the Charger. At this point in time it's hard to believe they don't have the sheet metal for the car just about finalized.

[58Hawk]

I really dont think DC has any ideal how many Chargers there going to sell .If they did they would move it to the top of the list in priority and would have started promoting it by now or at least acknowledged its existents . :)

[MoparG]

I think that they are waiting to see the market results from the GTO. The first 6000 or so GTOs are on the boat as we speak from Australia. DCX will, no doubt, guage and compensate for the typical response of "it's not built in the USA" comments which would affect initial GTO orders. GM is ready to proceed with an American made GTO (either a Sigma or a new world VE-platform (said to be a combo of Sigma and Aussie technology) if the market dictates that more GTOs would have been sold that way.

DCX may come out with a slogan "Made in the USA: Charger" around the Summer of 2004 to grab all the dissapointed GTO owners or potential owners. Then ofcourse the GTO will get the RAM AIRs and so forth and DCX will probably hold ground with whatever they come out with until a new USA-built GTO comes and then the Charger may have to dawn more power or something.

It should be fun times.

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[Omegalock]

Hi! I've been lurking on the SRT and Allpar forums for the last 4-5 months following the possibility of this car being made but this is the first time I've registered to talk about it.

I've got a couple of questions answers can be purely speculative for all I care.

1)What car are they targetting this at? Are they going after the Mustang GT and possible future Camaro? Or are they going to go after the new Cobra(which would put it dangerously close to the C6 vette and possibly the Viper if all the rumors are true). Or is this going to be(heaven forbid) another new GTO(midsized sedan with a big engine with a big price tag).

2)Will this be a definate Dodge label or will it be Chrysler?

[MoparG]

Chargers historically have always been mid-sizers and not pony cars (like the Mustang or Camaro). Since the Charger will be based on the LX-car (300C/Magnum) it is likely to be in the historic category. Mind you the LX-car is considered full-size now. Funny since the LX replaces the LH and the LH pretty much replaced the K-car which was mid-size at best if not smaller. Chrysler had the LHS as a full size version and the LH cars were all pretty big except the 300M which was designed for Europe spec. These new LXs thus far are the same size (if not smaller) of the 300M so times have changed.

These are interesting times though, so the Charger would still compete with the Mustang anyway as well as the GTO and the sizes and weight really wouldn't be THAT diferent.

We can't have all sized filled at all companies yet or it would be 1973 all over again.

[Omegalock]

Chargers historically have always been mid-sizers and not pony cars (like the Mustang or Camaro). Since the Charger will be based on the LX-car (300C/Magnum) it is likely to be in the historic category. Mind you the LX-car is considered full-size now. Funny since the LX replaces the LH and the LH pretty much replaced the K-car which was mid-size at best if not smaller. Chrysler had the LHS as a full size version and the LH cars were all pretty big except the 300M which was designed for Europe spec. These new LXs thus far are the same size (if not smaller) of the 300M so times have changed.

These are interesting times though, so the Charger would still compete with the Mustang anyway as well as the GTO and the sizes and weight really wouldn't be THAT diferent.

We can't have all sized filled at all companies yet or it would be 1973 all over again.
Well the size and weight of the new Stang is likely to best less than the GTO. I mean rumors for the new Stang have the weight at possibly as low as 3100 or so lbs.

[hemidakota]

Actually they are referred too as PONY cars.

[gadjet]

Hey - as a former '70 383 Charger owner (my first car) this is at the top of my interest list. My first post might as well be this: Info I found off of the motor trend website:

2006 Dodge Charger: Rear-drive sedan will replace the cab-forward Intrepid. The Charger is expected to offer 3.7L V-6 and 4.7L V-8 engine option, with the Charger R/T featuring the 5.7L Hemi V-8.

It's from their 2006 future vehicle forecast, there is nothing for 2005. It seems pretty believable, considering the original chargers had the 318, 383 and 440, as well as the 426 Hemi. So, the 3 engine options all seem to be pretty real. I don't know much about the 6.1L Hemi, but if anyone has anymore info, please, PASS IT ON!!!

Thanks for my 2 bits-

[MoparMan]

For the most part that info may be accurate, but I've been told that all R/Ts will be dissappearing to be replaced by SRT-x's (in this case SRT-8) From what I've heard, the Charger SRT-8 will feature the 6.1L Hemi which is currently generating 425 HP / 440 LB-FT in normally aspirated form. There have also been rumors of a blown 6.1 going into the Charger SRT-8. Supposedly, this engine is generating around 600 HP.

I don't think we'll find out much more information until the show circuit starting in January.

[gadjet]

My only concern is this: For the 6.1L to be generating such high numbers, which are much higher than a Corvette Z06, what are we going to be paying for such HEMI power? Relative to the Z06? (~50K) Or even more? I mean, the way things are going, the 30K mark seems to be where most power vehicles these days are landing....the new GTO, Mustangs (Ugh), and even the Japanese side with the Evo and WRX STi. I could honestly give a hoot about the rest of those cars, because I am a charger man. But where is the new Dodge going to fall when it comes to our wallets?

And to have patience to wait around till the spring....that's costly too!!!

[Omegalock]

If they are truly going to try to go after the Vette it's not gonna be a 30k car(unfortunately). Then again if the rumors about the new Vette is true then maybe they will bring the price down. Bob Lutz said the new Vette is going to suck the doors off the 06 Cobra( a car that's rumored to be 500 hp+).

[MoparMan]

Actually Lutz said the new vette would suck the doors off a Viper SRT-10. He got it partly right - the new vette will suck. :D

[gadjet]

That's good news... I hope. Heck, I'd be happy with the 5.7L Hemi for a price tag around 34-36K. Does that seem about right? I just saw a commercial for the new Durango with the Hemi to be fully loaded at 39K..... Anyway, yes, the suck part is right on the money.

[hemidakota]

Moparman, watch the keywords from the CRYSTAL BALL - 2 + 2 (meaning 2 door/2 sucide door).

Others, the PVO is a 6.1 ltr....watch the Detroit Auto Show.

[hemidakota]

Actually Lutz said the new vette would suck the doors off a Viper SRT-10. He got it partly right - the new vette will suck. :D

He is right...I have a sneeking suspension that the SEMA was a set for something bigger from PVO/VIPER Team in up the ante on the American Muscle car for MY2005.

However, I would not expect anything bigger than a 500 plus HP Charger S/C (6PSI and no ontercooler/Whipple type) version. You don't want to mixed a low-end pony car with an Aamerican icon Viper in the same performance class....

[PVOMan]

Afirmative.

From SEMA to Detroit then onto LA Auto show, will be a big showing that will ROCK the automotive world by storm.

[PVOMan]

Glad to see some interest in the next evolution of the Dodge Charger!

[MoparMan]

PVOMan - there is a ton of interest in the new Charger - there has been since the '99 concept.

Hemidakota - I'm already pretty sure that the Charger will not be a two door. I had the privilege of speaking with a couple of the top guys from PVO for a couple hours this last week. They obviously would not confirm or deny anything about the Charger (including that it exists) but from the questions they asked me and the comments and reactions I got to my questions I gathered that at best (and most likely) the Charger will have 2+2 doors (Mad Duckie has also hinted at that more than once). As long as the car looks cool and goes fast I'll still be interested - not as interested as I would be in a 2 door, but still interested.

As far as the Viper goes they did emphatically state that they will never let the ford gt or chevy vette get ahead of the Viper. The Skunkwerks SRT-10 shown at SEMA is just the beginning. At 625 HP it's already way ahead of the competition.

[Omegalock]

I dunno about that. The Ford GT IIRC is getting tweaked to go over the 600 hp mark and since it is forced induction more boost could be added to fight off an upgraded Viper. Then again the GT is expensive as hell and won't be around long due to emissions. Gonna be intresting times though with these guys trying to trump one another.

And you guys said the POV Charger is going to be a 6.1 Hemi. Are they planning on offering a 5.7 Charger as well?3.

[MoparMan]

I dunno about that. The Ford GT IIRC is getting tweaked to go over the 600 hp mark and since it is forced induction more boost could be added to fight off an upgraded Viper. Then again the GT is expensive as hell and won't be around long due to emissions. Gonna be intresting times though with these guys trying to trump one another.

And you guys said the POV Charger is going to be a 6.1 Hemi. Are they planning on offering a 5.7 Charger as well?3.


They just showed a Viper with 625 HP at SEMA that runs 11.2 in the 1/4 mile at 128 MPH and goes 0-60 in 3.6 secs. The PVO guys strongly hinted that this is just the beginning.

As for the Charger, I've heard there will be a variety of engines offered including the 6.1, 5.7, and a couple of sixes on the bottopm end of the price spectrum.

[Omegalock]

Sixes? I thought they said this was supposed to be a limited production car.

[MOPAR REVolution]

Sixes? I thought they said this was supposed to be a limited production car.
I heard it's suppose to replace the Intrepid.

[hemidakota]

Moparman, sorry about that. I wanted to clear something first before I answer anything else concerning the Charger.


QUOTE]Originally posted by MoparMan
It is my understanding that this will be the configuration of the production PVO Charger. Is that correct?[/QUOTE]

Yes...



Do you mean they're considering a T-56 with an automatically actuated clutch?
Future PVO models may get the latest fad.



You're referring to someone high up in PVO? If you want PM me and we can see if we're referring to the same guy.
Maybe...can't answer that.



Keitho had quoted 600 HP for the 6.1 blown. I'd like to see those kind of numbers sooner rather than later.
Yes...but that is depending on the future Viper direction in performance numbers.




Actually, I'd rather they call it Charger Daytona like the '69 car.
Yes...sorry I had it reverse.



Awesome. Hopefully this car will have been worth all the secrecy surrounding it.

It is a MB 'tight lip' approach to ensure that the car will be the best in its class.

Now, don't be disappointed that the concept above and the car shown are not the same.

[hemidakota]

I heard it's suppose to replace the Intrepid.

Dude, my friend just told me that you asked about the HEMI and the Dakota. Noticed that Keith made a sly remark. Too bad I left the board, I would love to confront him in person.

Though, the kid act immature at times and doesn't read very well. Or at best has bad memory problems. Ranting here...sorry. I hate the internet when you want to confront someone in person to air out the differences.

In regards of insider information, he receives information via relatives and family members who work the corporate/factory side.

Now on the Dakota, I was not referring to the Gen III Dakota or the 2004 model. This is a dead model. It will come out as a 2005 (GEN IV) Dakota model special model as Keith mentioned on the both the SRT-4 and the ALLPAR board when I was on it for awhile. He alluded to the Dakota Hemi R/T.

I have to apologized if this confused you in any manner.

[MoparMan]

It sounds like the new list looks like this:

- summer '05 intro (possible '05 or '06 intro for PVO version)
- 6.1L Hemi (possibly blown) - hp between 425 and 600
- Tremec T56 trans (same as in Viper)
- two doors plus two 1/2 doors
- styling is a mix of the current Viper SRT-10/ESX 3 concept/Airflite concept (sides of Charger not as sculpted as in concept) but level of influence is not necessarily in that order

We should see at least a hint of the Charger at either the Detroit or L.A. autoshow.

Can you clarify or add any more info, hemidakota?

[hemidakota]

There is only two vehicles right now that tickles my fancy for the next purchase: Charger and a supertruck (to tow the Charger).

Let me check...

[MOPAR REVolution]

Dude, my friend just told me that you asked about the HEMI and the Dakota. Noticed that Keith made a sly remark. Too bad I left the board, I would love to confront him in person.

Though, the kid act immature at times and doesn't read very well. Or at best has bad memory problems. Ranting here...sorry. I hate the internet when you want to confront someone in person to air out the differences.

In regards of insider information, he receives information via relatives and family members who work the corporate/factory side.

Now on the Dakota, I was not referring to the Gen III Dakota or the 2004 model. This is a dead model. It will come out as a 2005 (GEN IV) Dakota model special model as Keith mentioned on the both the SRT-4 and the ALLPAR board when I was on it for awhile. He alluded to the Dakota Hemi R/T.

I have to apologized if this confused you in any manner.
Sorry if I caused any harm.

Yea it's a shame there won't be no Gen 3 Hemi....I love the Gen 3 body style, hopefully the Gen 4 will top it.

That's weird the Hemi will only hit a special model of the Dakota.

[PVOMan]

Sorry if I caused any harm.

Yea it's a shame there won't be no Gen 3 Hemi....I love the Gen 3 body style, hopefully the Gen 4 will top it.

That's weird the Hemi will only hit a special model of the Dakota.

The SRT-4 and the SRT-10 Viper were released on small production numbers to check on interest by the buyers public.

Both were successful in selling out the entire production line.

Feedback analysis was conducted to react to the public demand.

With this expection, 3500 models of the SRT-10 Ram will be produced and expecting a complete sell out.

Dakota new design will enhance the appeal of the medium truck market. The interest in a medium PVO version will be made to see the same reaction from the public. SVT is currently working on the 'Lightning Bolt' version of the Ranger. Blown 6-cylinder. It was shown at several shows as we captured picturers and looked it over carefully.

Expect a Durango version that will combat the next SVT Expedition code name 'Thunder' that is currently being tested. Durango will shread the so-called SVT to pieces. Dodge SW doesn't like to loose to the likes of SVT.

Last, both the Viper and Ram released by PVO will push the limits as shown at SEMA. More surprises are coming soon.

[PVOMan]

It sounds like the new list looks like this:

- summer '05 intro (possible '05 or '06 intro for PVO version)
- 6.1L Hemi (possibly blown) - hp between 425 and 600
- Tremec T56 trans (same as in Viper)
- two doors plus two 1/2 doors
- styling is a mix of the current Viper SRT-10/ESX 3 concept/Airflite concept (sides of Charger not as sculpted as in concept) but level of influence is not necessarily in that order

We should see at least a hint of the Charger at either the Detroit or L.A. autoshow.

Can you clarify or add any more info, hemidakota?

Push it in the right direction. This one of the concerned the top brass of leaking information on the SECRETED DODGE SEDAN program. Ford Mustang competition that will steals sales.

To add to the top brass frustation, the engine picture in a 300 PVO sedan didn't help matters.

Will PVO show the sedan in Detroit, (LA), or New York? We have to wait and see.

[soccerbachelor]

useless bump to bring back the days of old school rumors, pre production.

[Banana #2505]

you should be shot :lol:

[bigworm7969]

lol, i was reading the first page thinking... what does this have to do with the current day, while looking at each of the date posted hahah

[The Tac King]

useless bump to bring back the days of old school rumors, pre production.

Wow...... they started this thread around the same time I bought my old Mitsubishi.

[RedChevy79]

At first I was thinking ... Challenger - typo - Charger?

But then I saw the post date, and I knew that wasn't the case. And for the record, I was still a GM boy when this post was created. :nervous s

[goldberg1701]

This thread was started while I was still in Iraq the first time! I didn't even know about the new Chargers then...lol.

[ChargerChick]

Another nice find. It's interesting to see the talk before the car even came out! :)

[fluffykush]

haha the rumors were all wayyyy off...a blown 6.1 with 600 hp? 2 door? viper tranny?

didn't even know chargerforums was active in 2003...what the hell did they talk about on here.

[ttruckinon]

haha the rumors were all wayyyy off...a blown 6.1 with 600 hp? 2 door? viper tranny?

didn't even know chargerforums was active in 2003...what the hell did they talk about on here.

Well, a blown 6.1 WOULD be great! And the Challenger will have the 6 speed manual trans so let's hope MOPAR decides to add it to the Charger option list!

[rajinstalls]

cant wait. awesome

[TBYDaytona40]

they talked about the same thing we talk about......the person below me