Chrysler snubs General Lee

[castrol]

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CHELSEA, Mich. — The Chrysler Group will not tie in any marketing of its 2006 Dodge Charger with the upcoming movie, The Dukes of Hazzard, because it is afraid the display of the Confederate flag on the movie's vintage Charger will offend some viewers.

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[epoch]

Can you blame them? The Confederate Flag (face it, it's the truth) is a symbol of hate and defiance. The T.V. show, I understand, has a good bit of fans and history, but with Chrysler having such tremendous success with the 300C and the Charger, and that success is due (many will say) to black rap artists, it's easy to see why Chrysler would resist biting the proverbial feeding hand.

The question at hand is whether or not you think marketing the Charger alongside and in conjunction with the new film will help bolster sales or hurt them?

I honestly don't know. What do you think?

[DAYTONA_R/T]

1) I dont care what black rap artists buy
2) The General Lee is not the General Lee without it... no matter what you think of the flag.

[ekool]

I have to say that I would agree with this decision by DCX. I think people unfortunately get offended by too many things and they are just playing it safe/smart.

Can't say as I blame them.

[Dysentery Bob]

Can you blame them? The Confederate Flag (face it, it's the truth) is a symbol of hate and defiance. The T.V. show, I understand, has a good bit of fans and history, but with Chrysler having such tremendous success with the 300C and the Charger, and that success is due (many will say) to black rap artists, it's easy to see why Chrysler would resist biting the proverbial feeding hand.

The question at hand is whether or not you think marketing the Charger alongside and in conjunction with the new film will help bolster sales or hurt them?

I honestly don't know. What do you think?

Sorry I have to disagree with you on this issue. The flag means different things to different people. There are groups of people that use this flag as a form of hate and defiance, but that is not it's only use, or it's primary meaning.

As for flags that have profound meaning, the US flag is believed to have both negitive and positive meanings. It's just a mater of which side your on. I would almost believe that the genicidal attacks on native Americans though the use of troops and even smallpox infested blankets can be seen as a flag of hate.

Anyway, Chrysler can promote whoever they want for what ever reason they want, it's their company to do so. I still plan to get a Charger, no matter what they believe about the Flag.

[epoch]

Sorry I have to disagree with you on this issue. The flag means different things to different people. There are groups of people that use this flag as a form of hate and defiance, but that is not it's only use, or it's primary meaning.

As for flags that have profound meaning, the US flag is believed to have both negitive and positive meanings. It's just a mater of which side your on. I would almost believe that the genicidal attacks on native Americans though the use of troops and even smallpox infested blankets can be seen as a flag of hate.

Anyway, Chrysler can promote whoever they want for what ever reason they want, it's their company to do so. I still plan to get a Charger, no matter what they believe about the Flag.

Well said, and I respect your opinion, but the U.S. flag is the flag our nation, whereas the Confederate flag stood for dissentation against progressive thinking and the abolishment of slavery.

Conceptions of the US flag as being a symbol of hate are largely overseas and in gross minority within our own borders. The two [flags] do not equivocate.

[Dysentery Bob]

Well said, and I respect your opinion, but the U.S. flag is the flag our nation, whereas the Confederate flag stood for dissentation against progressive thinking and the abolishment of slavery.

Conceptions of the US flag as being a symbol of hate are largely overseas and in gross minority within our own borders. The two [flags] do not equivocate.
It is the rights of the States to desent against the federal government and even separate themselves if their citizens backed the State's governing body. The war of Northern Agression (Civil War) was really about State Rights and not the Abolishment of slavery.

Then again I am only shouting into the wind with this statement, because everyone knows that the winning side is the one that ends up writing the history of the events.

As far as I know, my family fought and died in defense of Charleston South Carolina. They never owned slaves being opposed of the practice. This stems from being Irish. They fought for the South because they believed that the States had rights that the Federal government did not have authority to control. To make matter even worse, their graves as well as others have been desecrated by these progressive thinkers.

If you’re telling me that it is wrong for people and/or States to protest Federal Government actions then advised me where it says I can't do this and I'll tell you where it says I can. Furthermore, being a Georgia LEO, I have watched protesters march against the Federal Government during the 2004 G8 Summit. Does this mean that I could have shot at them, burned and looted their homes, raped their women for not being progressive thinkers.
Remember Georgia was torched; its women and children were either raped or killed during Sherman's march to the sea through Georgia.

To make matters even worse, the Federal government then saddled the South with the reconstruction era, where again the South was again looted.

I respect your opinion, but this is a Dodge Charger Forum. Please let’s just leave it with that and leave the political, racial, or other topics with other forums. Again, if Chrysler wishes not to advertise with the movie, then fine. I'll will still get the vehicle that has captured my attention. For me this topic is closed.

[epoch]

It is the rights of the States to desent against the federal government and even separate themselves if their citizens backed the State's governing body. The war of Northern Agression (Civil War) was really about State Rights and not the Abolishment of slavery.

Then again I am only shouting into the wind with this statement, because everyone knows that the winning side is the one that ends up writing the history of the events.

As far as I know, my family fought and died in defense of Charleston South Carolina. They never owned slaves being opposed of the practice. This stems from being Irish. They fought for the South because they believed that the States had rights that the Federal government did not have authority to control. To make matter even worse, their graves as well as others have been desecrated by these progressive thinkers.

If you’re telling me that it is wrong for people and/or States to protest Federal Government actions then advised me where it says I can't do this and I'll tell you where it says I can. Furthermore, being a Georgia LEO, I have watched protesters march against the Federal Government during the 2004 G8 Summit. Does this mean that I could have shot at them, burned and looted their homes, raped their women for not being progressive thinkers.
Remember Georgia was torched; its women and children were either raped or killed during Sherman's march to the sea through Georgia.

To make matters even worse, the Federal government then saddled the South with the reconstruction era, where again the South was again looted.

I respect your opinion, but this is a Dodge Charger Forum. Please let’s just leave it with that and leave the political, racial, or other topics with other forums. Again, if Chrysler wishes not to advertise with the movie, then fine. I'll will still get the vehicle that has captured my attention. For me this topic is closed.


There's no need to end the discussion. That is what this is, after all, a discussion. Not an argument.

You've done an excellent job articulating a silent majority's viewpoint of the civil war, and I applaud you.

[Hemilicious]

Erm, you know recently, as of like, the last 50 years, that flag has become more associated with 'southern pride' than anything to do with the civil war. Sure there are a few who really embody the negative line of thinking, but the way it was used in Dukes of Hazzard is definitely the former.

Times change, and it seems the connotation of this flag,at least for the most part, has changed also.

[castrol]

Erm, you know recently, as of like, the last 50 years, that flag has become more associated with 'southern pride' than anything to do with the civil war. Sure there are a few who really embody the negative line of thinking, but the way it was used in Dukes of Hazzard is definitely the former.

Times change, and it seems the connotation of this flag,at least for the most part, has changed also.


You know that the AMERICAN flag is a symbol of hate and defiance for the
entire rest of the world... what about that? Do we quit using that? Eh... I can
go either way on the issue. I just think that a small few set their sights on a
particular item they disapprove of, start a campaign against said item, spread
the word on how bad it is, then let the media, political correctness and a
human being's innate desire not to offend take over...

[adaptabl]

The real reason is that buyers may remember the original Charger and what it was. Then try to compare the new Charger. The new Charger is a Family sedan. The old one was a sports coupe. Big difference.

[epoch]

You know that the AMERICAN flag is a symbol of hate and defiance for the
entire rest of the world... what about that? Do we quit using that? Eh... I can
go either way on the issue. I just think that a small few set their sights on a
particular item they disapprove of, start a campaign against said item, spread
the word on how bad it is, then let the media, political correctness and a
human being's innate desire not to offend take over...
D Bob already said that. It's all a matter of your exposure to it. My only exposure to it, being from Ohio, is that the rednecks in my school used to fly a large one from the back of their pickup truck.

These are the same "good ol' boys" that beat the only black kid in school out in the parking lot and the entire administration covered the thing up, and every teacher denied it (unless you talked to them outside of school). They also routinely spoke of going "****** beating".

Southern pride, it might be, but just because your proud of something doesn't mean it has any valor or worth whatsoever.

[Lunger]

D Bob already said that. It's all a matter of your exposure to it. My only exposure to it, being from Ohio, is that the rednecks in my school used to fly a large one from the back of their pickup truck.

These are the same "good ol' boys" that beat the only black kid in school out in the parking lot and the entire administration covered the thing up, and every teacher denied it (unless you talked to them outside of school). They also routinely spoke of going "****** beating".

Southern pride, it might be, but just because your proud of something doesn't mean it has any valor or worth whatsoever.


Oh give me a break, And as a white boy who took the Colman Young's bussing plan to the inner city Detroit schools , the same Attitude exsisted toward me. The same Attitude exsits all over the world, in every country, in every remote place, and they dont blame it on a flag.

Hey i dont agree with racism, and i judge people on there actions. But wisdom comes with age, people who may have been a ass in high school could have grown up and changed his/ her ways.

Epoch: what nationality are you, hope thers not some german, or italian, or russsion , or mexican, or ect.

Pick one oh,,,, lets say Polish and proud - I have a mastercard with the polish flag on it. Well lets go back in history and find Polish rulers, who had slaves, tortured people, ect.

Zulu Nation - had slaves , tortured people , wiped out entire tribes.
Egyption - had slaves , tortured people

( but just because your proud of something doesn't mean it has any valor or worth whatsoever) /////**** why be proud at all, of anything.

Pride had value to the owner.

Fault can be found with any Person of any Race if you search history.

[epoch]

Oh give me a break, And as a white boy who took the Colman Young's bussing plan to the inner city Detroit schools , the same Attitude exsisted toward me. The same Attitude exsits all over the world, in every country, in every remote place, and they dont blame it on a flag.

Hey i dont agree with racism, and i judge people on there actions. But wisdom comes with age, people who may have been a ass in high school could have grown up and changed his/ her ways.

Epoch: what nationality are you, hope thers not some german, or italian, or russsion , or mexican, or ect.

Pick one oh,,,, lets say Polish and proud - I have a mastercard with the polish flag on it. Well lets go back in history and find Polish rulers, who had slaves, tortured people, ect.

Zulu Nation - had slaves , tortured people , wiped out entire tribes.
Egyption - had slaves , tortured people

( but just because your proud of something doesn't mean it has any valor or worth whatsoever) /////**** why be proud at all, of anything.

Pride had value to the owner.

Fault can be found with any Person of any Race if you search history.

Whoa, take it easy man. If you go back to the beginning of this post, you'll see that I took what D Bob said to heart, and I believe it. I'm not blaming anything on the flag. I'm not taking a position on this issue, I'm just telling you what my side of the coin is, and what my sole experience with it has been.

By the way, I'm German, Polish, Irish, Romanian, Russian, and Iroqois Native American. I'd be proud if I could be, but I'm everything. It sort of gives me a stained-glass view of the world, I guess.

Anyway, I haven't argued any points made, but I'm sensing a lot of anger from South of the ol' Mason Dixon...

[castrol]

Heh... I love how these turn.

I do agree with DCX though. Would have been a huge, political stink raised that they
really don't need. Would have brought nothing but bad publicity... even though any
publicity is supposed to be good publicity.

Not going to be a lot of these on cinder blocks in the front yard for quite a number of years.

;)

[epoch]

Would have been a huge, political stink raised ...

Naw, you think? I mean, look, we discussed it without getting into a political argument.

I'M NOT BEING SARCASTIC. NO, REALLY.







honest.


not really.

[tekhen]

It is the rights of the States to desent against the federal government and even separate themselves if their citizens backed the State's governing body. The war of Northern Agression (Civil War) was really about State Rights and not the Abolishment of slavery.

Then again I am only shouting into the wind with this statement, because everyone knows that the winning side is the one that ends up writing the history of the events.

As far as I know, my family fought and died in defense of Charleston South Carolina. They never owned slaves being opposed of the practice. This stems from being Irish. They fought for the South because they believed that the States had rights that the Federal government did not have authority to control. To make matter even worse, their graves as well as others have been desecrated by these progressive thinkers.

If you’re telling me that it is wrong for people and/or States to protest Federal Government actions then advised me where it says I can't do this and I'll tell you where it says I can. Furthermore, being a Georgia LEO, I have watched protesters march against the Federal Government during the 2004 G8 Summit. Does this mean that I could have shot at them, burned and looted their homes, raped their women for not being progressive thinkers.
Remember Georgia was torched; its women and children were either raped or killed during Sherman's march to the sea through Georgia.

To make matters even worse, the Federal government then saddled the South with the reconstruction era, where again the South was again looted.

I respect your opinion, but this is a Dodge Charger Forum. Please let’s just leave it with that and leave the political, racial, or other topics with other forums. Again, if Chrysler wishes not to advertise with the movie, then fine. I'll will still get the vehicle that has captured my attention. For me this topic is closed.

Although a well written 'argument' the war of "Nothern Agression" was not about states rights but as all wars, about $$$. Anyone who is a true study of history(as you seem to be) knows the US gov't could care less for captured and kidnapped peoples of Africa.

The taxation laws as well as the 3/5 rule allowed southern states a political edge in congress that the north did not have. The 'shared' cost of slavery was seen as unfair by the north and to 'share' the cost the north wanted more monies flowing from southern states..

Although to the victor goes the spoils, at least there were more in the north that wanted the abolishment of slavery, for that I am glad the north won. Although it was not the war that 'freed' the slaves but the 13th Amend.

As for Georgia burning, there were many slave women and men who were beat, raped, killed and torn from there families the middle passage alone took more lives than many wars combined.

Jim Crow Laws and the voters rights act was many years after slavery and shows how our country has a torrid past.

I just hope that we all can learn from our past and not repeat the mistakes of our forefathers.

Oh yeah, did I mention that I can't wait to see the SRT8 charger!

[shanes daddy]

Fo sho Tekhen. Juneteenth I believe it is. Anyway, glad to know that we can voice our opinions and show respect here agree or disagree. I love grown ups :happy: Still in all DCX made smart move to leave it alone, and just let the car sell through word of mouth and the strength on the rest of their lineup.

[Thegenerallee]

ya know what i am a huge fan of the dues and their car and the flag i think that you are over your head saying that it is a flag of hate it is a flag of prid ethat many men died for some people are offended cuz the cross was burn in black peoples yard dose this mean we take down our crosses??? i would love to see a show with the new charger as the general..
Gary

[guyton84]

But the thing is, who is Hollywood afraid they will offend? I think the people going to see the new movie are people who watched the show for the most part. I don't think this movie will appeal to black rap artists. Look at all they put in movies these days, violence, rape, without a second thought, and they are afraid of a little old flag.

I really don't care about the flag at all. I think people who claim it's for pride are almost as moronic as the people who are offended by it no matter in what context they see it. But I'll tell you this, if I pay for a ticket to that movie and there is no flag on that car, I am walking out.

That show is SOOOO innocent, I can't believe people make such a stink about that flag.

[DAYTONA_R/T]

I have been trying not to post in this thread but.....
I just think that the path this thread/the world has taken is another example that the politcally correct BS needs to stop...

Tonight after the Daily Show ended on comedy central ended... a stand up comedy show came on.... the comic was a black guy, and started talking about white folk, ..... If a white guy got on stage and said anything about black folk, like this guy was saying... the white guy would be labeled as a rasicst.... so apparently in this moderen politically correct day and age... you only need to watch what you say, do, or paint on the roof of your car if you are white....
Blacks have the NAACP.... but if you are white... you better not form a caucasion assosiation.....

I dont go for the whole we owe the black community BS.... I am first generation american, my father is scottish, my mother is 2nd generation canadian.... german background.... so my family and I dont owe you crap.... we were not here when the blacks in africa sold other blacks as slaves to the whites.

99% of racism is brought about by the minority communities themselves.... if they stopped thier whinning and bitching, then maybe the rest of the world could get on with the point of view that we are all part of the human race....

[ChargerSXT]

I have been trying not to post in this thread but.....
I just think that the path this thread/the world has taken is another example that the politcally correct BS needs to stop...

Tonight after the Daily Show ended on comedy central ended... a stand up comedy show came on.... the comic was a black guy, and started talking about white folk, ..... If a white guy got on stage and said anything about black folk, like this guy was saying... the white guy would be labeled as a rasicst.... so apparently in this moderen politically correct day and age... you only need to watch what you say, do, or paint on the roof of your car if you are white....
Blacks have the NAACP.... but if you are white... you better not form a caucasion assosiation.....

I dont go for the whole we owe the black community BS.... I am first generation american, my father is scottish, my mother is 2nd generation canadian.... german background.... so my family and I dont owe you crap.... we were not here when the blacks in africa sold other blacks as slaves to the whites.

99% of racism is brought about by the minority communities themselves.... if they stopped thier whinning and bitching, then maybe the rest of the world could get on with the point of view that we are all part of the human race....

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[guyton84]

I have been trying not to post in this thread but.....
I just think that the path this thread/the world has taken is another example that the politcally correct BS needs to stop...

Tonight after the Daily Show ended on comedy central ended... a stand up comedy show came on.... the comic was a black guy, and started talking about white folk, ..... If a white guy got on stage and said anything about black folk, like this guy was saying... the white guy would be labeled as a rasicst.... so apparently in this moderen politically correct day and age... you only need to watch what you say, do, or paint on the roof of your car if you are white....
Blacks have the NAACP.... but if you are white... you better not form a caucasion assosiation.....

I dont go for the whole we owe the black community BS.... I am first generation american, my father is scottish, my mother is 2nd generation canadian.... german background.... so my family and I dont owe you crap.... we were not here when the blacks in africa sold other blacks as slaves to the whites.

99% of racism is brought about by the minority communities themselves.... if they stopped thier whinning and bitching, then maybe the rest of the world could get on with the point of view that we are all part of the human race....


Amen too! They should all listen to Bill Cosby. Now there's a black man I really respect.

[Omegalock]

99% of racism is brought about by the minority communities themselves.... if they stopped thier whinning and bitching, then maybe the rest of the world could get on with the point of view that we are all part of the human race....
You don't SERIOUSLY believe that do you?
Minority groups were hated long long long before they started "whinning and bitching". Had they not started whinning and bitching there would probably still be segregation and Jim Crowe laws.
As much as some want to believe it...White Americans are NOT the rest of the world. A lot of the rest of the world wonders why a country that is built upon equality and freedom has such deep running double standards on both sides.

Racism is born out of ignorance and not because somebody is tired of somebody else complaining. Now do I agree various minority groups bring a lot of their own problems upon themselves? Yes. If they all became model citizens would racism go away over night? Not a chance. But as we all know racism finds a reason to hate no matter how illogical. I have seen people hate on minorities who are upstanding pillars in their communities,who are hard workers and who embody the American dream down to the t...solely because they immigrated from the wrong country,are of the wrong religion, or of the wrong skin color.
Racism in this country will never truly go away. Too many people feel entitled to too many things based purely on their race.
Whites feel entitled to keeping their level of influence and power even though the others only want what they have because of the rights promised to them by our nation.
Blacks feel entitled to some sort of pay back despite the sins against them are approaching 600 years for the earliest and 50 years for the latest.
Latinos feel entitled to acceptance without changing themselves.
Middle-eastern immigrants feel entitled to the same level of respect they had in their native countries.
It's a nasty cycle.

Now back to the topic...
Don't agree with the choice but I can see why. It is a hurtful symbol to many people. It's why you won't see say...a Nazi Swastika being put on something that's going to be freely and openly sold in Germany. It COULD be a symbol of pride as a lot of people that didn't believe in the extermination of the Jews,Gypsies, and other lesser races, fought under that flag. However it's recognized as a symbol of oppression and tyranny. They could keep associate with the flag but it could blow up in their face and there's one color at stake here that is more important than black or white. It's green.

[castrol]

Nice to have you over here Omega.

[Omegalock]

Nice to have you over here Omega.
The 4 guys were getting boring lately. :)
Just kidding. Decided I didn't give the Charger a fair chance because I really think the SRT-8 version looks very nice and I figure if there are going to be any big to do concerning mods with the 5.7 and 6.1 Hemis...it'll be over here. Which if they bring out that certain OTHER Hemi powered Dodge vehicle that starts with a C then I kind of want to know what these engines can really do before hand.

[shanes daddy]

Very well put Omega. Again.. I Love grown ups :happy:

[ChargerOsix]

Sorry I have to disagree with you on this issue. The flag means different things to different people. There are groups of people that use this flag as a form of hate and defiance, but that is not it's only use, or it's primary meaning.


I cannot understand how you can separate the beliefs of the Confederate Flag (CF) with the "Southern Pride" feeling of today. Its not about an interpretation or feelings, but its calling a duck a duck so to speak. Under this flag, there were far more atrocities committed than the Nazis could even touch. I'm not talking about slavery but the red rum, torture, scaldings, lynchings, and other offenses committed. How does 400 years and 10s of millions compare to 7yrs and 6 million under a Nazi flag? There is utter disgust and condemnation when that flag is honored. BUT YET, with the CF, people seem not to care and CHOOSE to forget about its meaning and purpose, upon convenience.

By comparison, the CF has more blood on it that the previously mentioned and people dont understand why its offensive? They know, and I know what it means when I see it. Stay the "F" away so to speak. I dont mind because I have no time for that foolishness. I have seen first hand the so called "Southern Pride" feeling about the Confederate Flag. That Southern Pride says to me that I cant go certain places in TX because it may be hazardous to my health. I've been warned by my fellow white coworkers to stay from the Jasper drag races. There's one place they told me about where a "no ******s" sign is posted. Forgot the name but I better ask again. I can't afford to live life the way some of you portray it to be. I'd be in a bad spot if I see it any other way than for what it is. A duck!

[ChargerOsix]

I have been trying not to post in this thread but.....
I just think that the path this thread/the world has taken is another example that the politcally correct BS needs to stop...

Tonight after the Daily Show ended on comedy central ended... a stand up comedy show came on.... the comic was a black guy, and started talking about white folk, ..... If a white guy got on stage and said anything about black folk, like this guy was saying... the white guy would be labeled as a rasicst.... so apparently in this moderen politically correct day and age... you only need to watch what you say, do, or paint on the roof of your car if you are white....
Blacks have the NAACP.... but if you are white... you better not form a caucasion assosiation.....

I dont go for the whole we owe the black community BS.... I am first generation american, my father is scottish, my mother is 2nd generation canadian.... german background.... so my family and I dont owe you crap.... we were not here when the blacks in africa sold other blacks as slaves to the whites.

99% of racism is brought about by the minority communities themselves.... if they stopped thier whinning and bitching, then maybe the rest of the world could get on with the point of view that we are all part of the human race....

This has to be the funniest thing that I have read in a long time. Its so sad, I couldnt help but laugh. The TV thing with the black comic/white joke thing is definitely not cool. I've seen it go the other way as well but not on the same scale. White comics have the same option but its all about respect. I dont care for it but as long as there is no degrading comments or name calling, I guess its all-right.

On the NAACP, ask your father or grandfather why this organization was started. I feel for you if you dont understand such a SIMPLE thing.
Let me ask you something. You have black people walking up to you and asking for money? J/K Its ludacris to assume that you owe money. Today, every one has a choice and a chance. Go for it! My Pops made me work hard and I've worked hard for everything I have. Believe me you are worried over NOTHING.

Also, I see you are very proud of your heritage. Let's see, Scottish, German, and Canadian. Kind of spread out there arent you. Let me give you mine. Decendent of a Slave. I'll post a pic of my Great-Great Grandmother to verify that. READ CAREFULLY

Minority community or ghetto as I call it is the product of what previous generations created from segregation, Crowe, and many other means. Really, in respect to those areas, not much has changed in decades. I used to live in the ghetto and I'm thankful for it because I can play on both sides of the fence. You can only whine and bitch if people listen; no one listened back then and its no different today.

[DAYTONA_R/T]

On the NAACP, ask your father or grandfather why this organization was started. I feel for you if you dont understand such a SIMPLE thing.
Let me ask you something. You have black people walking up to you and asking for money? J/K Its ludacris to assume that you owe money. Today, every one has a choice and a chance. Go for it! My Pops made me work hard and I've worked hard for everything I have. Believe me you are worried over NOTHING.


1) I know why the NAACP was started, however in this day and age I do not see the organization as needed....

2) as far as money.... when did I say money?

3) if you think that I am speaking out of term... and you dont agree with me, thats fine... we in this country have the right to our own opinion....

4) Sorry to hear about your family history, however my sister's husband also has the same background as you.... so dont think you are the only one out there with this kind of background

5)I guess I should be mad and hold a grudge at the English for what they did to the Scots, my acenstors, so many years ago....

[Omegalock]

IForgot the name but I better ask again. I can't afford to live life the way some of you portray it to be. I'd be in a bad spot if I see it any other way than for what it is. A duck!
That's Grand Saline and it's kind of urban myth.

The legend was they had a sign on their bridge that said...

"Don't let the sun set on your black *** here."
I've never seen that sign. Not to say it didn't exist at some point but I've never seen it but I heard the story from my dad who grew up in deep East Texas.

I take it you aren't from Texas originally?

[srt8charger]

I have been trying not to post in this thread but.....
I just think that the path this thread/the world has taken is another example that the politcally correct BS needs to stop...

Tonight after the Daily Show ended on comedy central ended... a stand up comedy show came on.... the comic was a black guy, and started talking about white folk, ..... If a white guy got on stage and said anything about black folk, like this guy was saying... the white guy would be labeled as a rasicst.... so apparently in this moderen politically correct day and age... you only need to watch what you say, do, or paint on the roof of your car if you are white....
Blacks have the NAACP.... but if you are white... you better not form a caucasion assosiation.....

I dont go for the whole we owe the black community BS.... I am first generation american, my father is scottish, my mother is 2nd generation canadian.... german background.... so my family and I dont owe you crap.... we were not here when the blacks in africa sold other blacks as slaves to the whites.

99% of racism is brought about by the minority communities themselves.... if they stopped thier whinning and bitching, then maybe the rest of the world could get on with the point of view that we are all part of the human race....


Wow, and this belongs on a car forum WHY? :mad: I kind of regret opening this thread and making my first thread based on the comments by one of the members but here it goes.

DAYTONA_R/T your a sorry excuse for a human and in no way does your trailer" trash ass represent white people. I'm white (a proud Irish and Italian Amercian) and I don't judge a group of people based on there skin color. And you mention been a "scot" how many times? I for one don't care and I doubt anyone on here does either what your parents are, first or second generation. Maybe you should go back to Scotland and crawl back under the slimey rock you came from. And let me guess, you haven't travelled the world much have you? I bet you don't leave your trailer because you don't want to see any colors? Am I right? And i'm guessing your Dayonta R/T is going be built 100% by white workers? What if a black worker touches your car? Are you going to burn it? You know the car is built in Canada, right? That means your car is anti-Amercian :neutral: Go back to watching "Fox news" and maybe one day Bill will open your e-mail and you might get a free book and shirt from him. I bet you get all excited just thinking about it :yes: Leave this forum alone with your nonsense cause I didn't come on here too read about some 50+ year old guy whos mad at the world (or blacks in this case) because he can't afford Viagra cause he bought a Charger. :laugh:

[DAYTONA_R/T]

Wow, and this belongs on a car forum WHY? :mad: I kind of regret opening this thread and making my first thread based on the comments by one of the members but here it goes.

DAYTONA_R/T your a sorry excuse for a human and in no way does your trailer" trash ass represent white people. I'm white (a proud Irish and Italian Amercian) and I don't judge a group of people based on there skin color. And you mention been a "scot" how many times? I for one don't care and I doubt anyone on here does either what your parents are, first or second generation. Maybe you should go back to Scotland and crawl back under the slimey rock you came from. And let me guess, you haven't travelled the world much have you? I bet you don't leave your trailer because you don't want to see any colors? Am I right? And i'm guessing your Dayonta R/T is going be built 100% by white workers? What if a black worker touches your car? Are you going to burn it? You know the car is built in Canada, right? That means your car is anti-Amercian :neutral: Go back to watching "Fox news" and maybe one day Bill will open your e-mail and you might get a free book and shirt from him. I bet you get all excited just thinking about it :yes: Leave this forum alone with your nonsense cause I didn't come on here too read about some 50+ year old guy whos mad at the world (or blacks in this case) because he can't afford Viagra cause he bought a Charger. :laugh:

1) I have been to more countries then most people I have run into. Would you like me to list everywhere I have been? I will bet I have been to more places then you.
2) I sure as hell aint trailer trash... but since you are so adiment about it, I would guess that you very well may be
3) I far from racist little boy. I look at "black power" organizations in the same light as "white power" organizations... as I dont agree with either.
4) I work side by side with all races with my own job... I dont care if a hispanic/black/irish/italian/hindu midgit works on my car... all races can be just as talented as any other race at anything the person puts thier mind to.
5) I dont judge people by the color of thier skin, I judge them by thier actions. if they bitch and whine about what happened years ago, before they were born, or in some cases, before thier parents were born... I put them in one group... whiners.... on the other hand, people like my brother in law, who is black, works his ass off, and does not "look down" at anyone because of what his ancestors went through... I think highly of, because they are a hard working human being, and that applies to any person of any race.
6) I never said I was speaking for every "white" on earth I was speaking my opinion... you are able to speak yours too... as you did... I just did mine with generalization, rather then picking someone out to point directly at, which on most forums is a TOS violation.
7) Yes I meantion my background as examples... am I supposed to use Italian as an example when I have no Italian ancestry?
8) I aint no 50 year old man... and I am not mad at the world
9) I aint going anywhere... maybe you should

[guyton84]

Wow, and this belongs on a car forum WHY? :mad: I kind of regret opening this thread and making my first thread based on the comments by one of the members but here it goes.

DAYTONA_R/T your a sorry excuse for a human and in no way does your trailer" trash ass represent white people. I'm white (a proud Irish and Italian Amercian) and I don't judge a group of people based on there skin color. And you mention been a "scot" how many times? I for one don't care and I doubt anyone on here does either what your parents are, first or second generation. Maybe you should go back to Scotland and crawl back under the slimey rock you came from. And let me guess, you haven't travelled the world much have you? I bet you don't leave your trailer because you don't want to see any colors? Am I right? And i'm guessing your Dayonta R/T is going be built 100% by white workers? What if a black worker touches your car? Are you going to burn it? You know the car is built in Canada, right? That means your car is anti-Amercian :neutral: Go back to watching "Fox news" and maybe one day Bill will open your e-mail and you might get a free book and shirt from him. I bet you get all excited just thinking about it :yes: Leave this forum alone with your nonsense cause I didn't come on here too read about some 50+ year old guy whos mad at the world (or blacks in this case) because he can't afford Viagra cause he bought a Charger. :laugh:

Go back to watching Fox News? Are you prejudging him sir? Are you saying that because Fox News gives conservatives a fair shake that only racists watch Fox? Are you assuming things about people before you know them? You seem to like to throw a lot of insults and reprimands for prejudice when you just proved that you think a certain way about an entire group of people.

[srt8charger]

Go back to watching Fox News? Are you prejudging him sir? Are you saying that because Fox News gives conservatives a fair shake that only racists watch Fox? Are you assuming things about people before you know them? You seem to like to throw a lot of insults and reprimands for prejudice when you just proved that you think a certain way about an entire group of people.

You don't want me to get started on "Fox news". You might call it fair and balanced but for whom? Conservatives? Fox news loves to play the race card and they always will. Case in point, after the London attacks they have a retired NYPD officier give insight on the threat againist the US. The cop basically has a rage attack and says "we should go and drop bombs on Afghanistan and it'll end this whole mess" :clap: Wow, killing millions of innocent people because of a few nut jobs? So wouldn't we be the terrorist by going into a country, dropping a bomb and murdering innocent people? I know it won't happen but *cough* Baghdad *cough* isn't exactly going to well. It just makes me wonder about the amount of crap that is actually spoken on Fox News compared to actually news and facts. And I wonder what the average education level is for a Fox news viewer. Things that make you go mmmm...... :whistle:

[Dysentery Bob]

And I wonder what the average education level is for a Fox news viewer. Things that make you go mmmm...... :whistle:

College Grad with a BS in Management; focus on Productions Operations Management, Strategic Planning. I also have minors in History, Computer Science and Accounting. I ran out of money and time to continue my enlightenment.

Do I use anything I have learned with my current occupation? I really don’t know, though I do know that for years the other new stations have portrayed conservatism in a negative light. I grew tired of that, but had no alternative to go to. I am glad that there is a news agency that gives both sides of the issue. If you disagree that it your right to do so, I will not hold that against you.

I will say that you calling everyone that watches Fox News a white racist is just as wrong as hating a black person for the color of their skin. Maybe you should respect his right to have his own opinion. It’s not illegal to hate people because of their differences; it’s only illegal to act upon that hate.

Anyway, back to more important matter like the Charger. Oh, by the way, have to give respect to my Alma-Ata….Go Chanticleers. That’s Coastal Carolina University; formerly known as USC Coastal.

[guyton84]

You don't want me to get started on "Fox news". You might call it fair and balanced but for whom? Conservatives? Fox news loves to play the race card and they always will. Case in point, after the London attacks they have a retired NYPD officier give insight on the threat againist the US. The cop basically has a rage attack and says "we should go and drop bombs on Afghanistan and it'll end this whole mess" :clap: Wow, killing millions of innocent people because of a few nut jobs? So wouldn't we be the terrorist by going into a country, dropping a bomb and murdering innocent people? I know it won't happen but *cough* Baghdad *cough* isn't exactly going to well. It just makes me wonder about the amount of crap that is actually spoken on Fox News compared to actually news and facts. And I wonder what the average education level is for a Fox news viewer. Things that make you go mmmm...... :whistle:

Wow what a simple, warped view of the world you have. I am not going to defend Fox on here, I again will point out how ignorant you are.

You assume that your point of view is the only one that could be correct. And people who have another opinion are stupid.

Fox gets ALL kinds of viewers, from socialist liberals to right-wing religious nutjobs. Here are the stats:

"According to the ratings, Fox News had 5.2 million viewers; NBC, 5.1 million; CBS, 4.4 million; ABC, 4.3 million; MSNBC, 1.6 million and CNN, 1.5 million."
- written by Paul McGuire, newsmax.com


You are stating that you are above all these people, both in intelligence and morals. What difference is there between that and a racist? You prejudge, you assume, you insult, you smear and destroy.

You are smug in your rehearsed opinions, and you pull the race card. You are entitled to your simple little ideas, but the world is not the tiny capsule you believe it is. You have no solutions, only complaints. your OPINION does not make you RIGHT, just as MY opinion does not make ME right. However when you attack an entire section of the population for being racist idiots, when in fact your opinion states that YOU are victim of the same sort of ignorance, I have to call you out.

Open your eyes and understand that just because daddy and CNN tell you something doesn't make it fact. Your opinion of Fox based on an interview with one person is just absurd.

BACK ON TOPIC...
I did hear that there is going to be an '06 Charger parked somewhere in the movie. If that is true, I don't think "Chysler snubs General Lee" fits very well. They can SAY they are against the car, but if they pay to have an '06 in there, well that's just wrong.

[ChargerOsix]

1) I know why the NAACP was started, however in this day and age I do not see the organization as needed....

2) as far as money.... when did I say money?

3) if you think that I am speaking out of term... and you dont agree with me, thats fine... we in this country have the right to our own opinion....

4) Sorry to hear about your family history, however my sister's husband also has the same background as you.... so dont think you are the only one out there with this kind of background

5)I guess I should be mad and hold a grudge at the English for what they did to the Scots, my acenstors, so many years ago....

1) The NAACP is still around because situations like the one in Jasper and the guy in New York that was beat with a pole. If people didn't possess prejudicial beliefs and attitudes, and then choose to act upon them, then it wouldnt be necessary. You should here some of the music they play here in TX. Ever heard of David Allen Coe? Funny stuff.

2)True that, but that what do you think you owe?

3) Everyone has a right to express their opinion. No problem there but we can disagree.

4) Definitely not the only one but I think it sucks to know nothing of my heritage but that. Not the end of the world but definitely an empty feeling.

5) No one is mad and I hold no grudges. What "was: has past and the what "is" of today is the concern.

All I'm saying is that I would be a fool to view the CF in any other way than I do. Cant live behind a smoke screen and ignore the obvious.

[ChargerOsix]

That's Grand Saline and it's kind of urban myth.

The legend was they had a sign on their bridge that said...

"Don't let the sun set on your black *** here."
I've never seen that sign. Not to say it didn't exist at some point but I've never seen it but I heard the story from my dad who grew up in deep East Texas.

I take it you aren't from Texas originally?

No, not originally from TX. But the guys that told me are. True or not, I couldnt dismiss the story regarding the source(S).

[badkolo]

you people are nuts, so chrylser might find it offensive to push the charger alongside the movie becuase of the flag but the movie company who made the film and the actors who are in it are ok with it. More people will see the movie then own the car. If they feel its ok to have it in the movie then whats all the fuss about. Its not a swatstika its a confederate flag dudes.

The rappers can kiss my white arse. They will see the movie too and wont say a word and they will buy a cahrger becuase its hot so who cares about them anyway
I didnt realize we have to walk on eggshells for all of america this political correctnise bullcrap is getting out of hand.

If the poeple are offended at the flag then dont buy the car in the first place becuase it was once linked to the dukes of hazard car.

[srt8charger]

Wow what a simple, warped view of the world you have. I am not going to defend Fox on here, I again will point out how ignorant you are.

You assume that your point of view is the only one that could be correct. And people who have another opinion are stupid.

Fox gets ALL kinds of viewers, from socialist liberals to right-wing religious nutjobs. Here are the stats:

"According to the ratings, Fox News had 5.2 million viewers; NBC, 5.1 million; CBS, 4.4 million; ABC, 4.3 million; MSNBC, 1.6 million and CNN, 1.5 million."
- written by Paul McGuire, newsmax.com


You are stating that you are above all these people, both in intelligence and morals. What difference is there between that and a racist? You prejudge, you assume, you insult, you smear and destroy.

You are smug in your rehearsed opinions, and you pull the race card. You are entitled to your simple little ideas, but the world is not the tiny capsule you believe it is. You have no solutions, only complaints. your OPINION does not make you RIGHT, just as MY opinion does not make ME right. However when you attack an entire section of the population for being racist idiots, when in fact your opinion states that YOU are victim of the same sort of ignorance, I have to call you out.

Open your eyes and understand that just because daddy and CNN tell you something doesn't make it fact. Your opinion of Fox based on an interview with one person is just absurd.

BACK ON TOPIC...
I did hear that there is going to be an '06 Charger parked somewhere in the movie. If that is true, I don't think "Chysler snubs General Lee" fits very well. They can SAY they are against the car, but if they pay to have an '06 in there, well that's just wrong.


Well is that right eh? Isn't it funny that ALL Fox news viewers have to bring up "look at how many viewers" watch us fact? Cut the crap and don't tell me its "just one interview" and don't tell me that I watch "CNN". I watch Fox news so attacked myself :wink: I watch Fox news for the entertainment factor, not my news. I don't need "CNN" or anyother cable news for my news. I actually have a good laugh when all Fox news does is talk about what country or what person is anti-Amercian and the false facts they have to base there opinions. According to Fox News your anti-Amercian if you disagree with the war. If you disagree with Bush well hell your anti-Amercian. When you stick up for human life and the lives of millions of people who are innocent and are been killed over a war that we can't win well hell you guessed it your ANTI-Amercian.

I'm not a Lib nor am I a Conservative but I do have strong opinions and I don't need some guy sitting behind a desk living in the Hamptons telling me who and what is "anti-Amercian". Nor do I need some suit in Washington telling me that i'm not a true Amercian because I don't agree with the policies that this Government has set fourth. And I sure as hell don't need some kid telling me that I watch "CNN" and my life is trapped in a "tiny capsule". You need to walk your baby nuts around the block before you can come on here and tell me i'm this and that. If you believe in the "cause" then strap your boots and join a Army core son instead of preaching your nonsense about Fox news and how superior it is on here. :mad:

[guyton84]

Well is that right eh? Isn't it funny that ALL Fox news viewers have to bring up "look at how many viewers" watch us fact? Cut the crap and don't tell me its "just one interview" and don't tell me that I watch "CNN". I watch Fox news so attacked myself :wink: I watch Fox news for the entertainment factor, not my news. I don't need "CNN" or anyother cable news for my news. I actually have a good laugh when all Fox news does is talk about what country or what person is anti-Amercian and the false facts they have to base there opinions. According to Fox News your anti-Amercian if you disagree with the war. If you disagree with Bush well hell your anti-Amercian. When you stick up for human life and the lives of millions of people who are innocent and are been killed over a war that we can't win well hell you guessed it your ANTI-Amercian.

I'm not a Lib nor am I a Conservative but I do have strong opinions and I don't need some guy sitting behind a desk living in the Hamptons telling me who and what is "anti-Amercian". Nor do I need some suit in Washington telling me that i'm not a true Amercian because I don't agree with the policies that this Government has set fourth. And I sure as hell don't need some kid telling me that I watch "CNN" and my life is trapped in a "tiny capsule". You need to walk your baby nuts around the block before you can come on here and tell me i'm this and that. If you believe in the "cause" then strap your boots and join a Army core son instead of preaching your nonsense about Fox news and how superior it is on here. :mad:


Hahaha. I find it funny that you still cannot defend yourself against my comment about you being as ignorant as a racist because you group all Fox viewers into the same "racist" category.

You missed my point entirely about the number of Fox viewers. I was simply making it clear to everyone else on this forum just how many people you think you are better than morally and intelectually.

I didn't call you anti-American. That is your propaganda-fed defense mechanism kicking in.

Again all you can do is complain, saying something about walking baby nuts around a block or something. I judge you sir based on your ignorance and arrogance displayed here, in this forum, the only connection I have to you. YOU, however, judge me based on an image you have of me because I watch Fox (although I watch all news networks) You continue to prove your ignorance over and over again...it's quite comical.

But I'm just a kid, I guess. There again you assume you are older and wiser than I am without knowing a thing about me...also assuming I have never been in the service. Man it just never ends.

I thought this was going to be an interesting debate here, but man, I was wrong. Your simple little arguments are getting boring.

[Omegalock]

No, not originally from TX. But the guys that told me are. True or not, I couldnt dismiss the story regarding the source(S).
lol they are just messing with ya.
I live in Dallas and have lived in this area my whole life. You'll get more grief for being from out of state than being black. :happy:

[Omegalock]

you people are nuts, so chrylser might find it offensive to push the charger alongside the movie becuase of the flag but the movie company who made the film and the actors who are in it are ok with it. More people will see the movie then own the car. If they feel its ok to have it in the movie then whats all the fuss about. Its not a swatstika its a confederate flag dudes.

The point is different symbols mean different things to different people.

Put up a Swastika in say....a rural village in Ecuador. Most folks won't bat an eye. It means nothing to them. Fly a swastika in down town Berlin or in the middle of Manhattan...you are going to have problems.
Same thing for the Confederate flag.
Both flags can stand for oppresion or pride, Nobility or hate. Both were used in those manners.

Is there a chance people would look over the flag and not raise a fuss? Yeah.
Is there a chance people would be all over the association like flies on stink? YES!
From a purely corporate state of mind...it makes sense not to cause any huge problems. And to be honest...the average person in this country would never put the two together(General Lee and new Charger)you'd be shocked how many people wouldn't be able to tell you what KIND of car the General Lee was.

[amcguru]

I have been trying not to post in this thread but.....
I just think that the path this thread/the world has taken is another example that the politcally correct BS needs to stop...

Tonight after the Daily Show ended on comedy central ended... a stand up comedy show came on.... the comic was a black guy, and started talking about white folk, ..... If a white guy got on stage and said anything about black folk, like this guy was saying... the white guy would be labeled as a rasicst.... so apparently in this moderen politically correct day and age... you only need to watch what you say, do, or paint on the roof of your car if you are white....
Blacks have the NAACP.... but if you are white... you better not form a caucasion assosiation.....

I dont go for the whole we owe the black community BS.... I am first generation american, my father is scottish, my mother is 2nd generation canadian.... german background.... so my family and I dont owe you crap.... we were not here when the blacks in africa sold other blacks as slaves to the whites.

99% of racism is brought about by the minority communities themselves.... if they stopped thier whinning and bitching, then maybe the rest of the world could get on with the point of view that we are all part of the human race....

Very well spoken sir...only thing you forgot is that B/S f****ed-up thing called "affirmitive action" that kept me from being hired for a job once :mad:

[ChargerOsix]

Very well spoken sir...only thing you forgot is that B/S f****ed-up thing called "affirmitive action" that kept me from being hired for a job once :mad:
Affirmative action served its purpose for its day and time. For every individual like yourself that didnt get a job because of AA, there are surely more that didnt get a job because of issues unrelated to capability. So don't point the finger at the person that got the job, point it at the people that created a situation where a program like AA is even necessary. Kunta Kente lost his kidz and a foot. I'd rather lose my job.

[epoch]

Affirmative action served its purpose for its day and time. For every individual like yourself that didnt get a job because of AA, there are surely more that didnt get a job because of issues unrelated to capability. So don't point the finger at the person that got the job, point it at the people that created a situation where a program like AA is even necessary. Kunta Kente lost his kidz and a foot. I'd rather lose my job.

Osix, in your opinion, do you feel that AA still has its place? I agree with you that it had a purpose *at one time*, but I don't think it still does.

Disclaimer: I'm "White" (I'm so many things that I don't like to consider myself white, because white to me usually means WASP, but I digress...), but I imagine that if I were black, or the tables were turned, I wouldn't want a government organization patronizing me and giving me a job over another man that is more qualified because of the color of my skin. It's still racism, in my opinion.

It's like "Oh, you're black and inferior, so here, we'll hand you something." It's insulting, don't you think?

[amcguru]

When I consider affirmitive action B/S, I am speaking for present day...it was started because there was a need at that time and I would have supported it. Unions are much the same way now...there was a time they were needed to protect the best interest's of America's skilled labor workforce...in today's world with the labor and social standards set in place, both of these are more of a hinderance than a help. Feel free help me understand how I pionted the finger at anyone.

[Lunger]

Affirmative action served its purpose for its day and time. For every individual like yourself that didnt get a job because of AA, there are surely more that didnt get a job because of issues unrelated to capability. So don't point the finger at the person that got the job, point it at the people that created a situation where a program like AA is even necessary. Kunta Kente lost his kidz and a foot. I'd rather lose my job.


Dam i love this one.

Lets take what the police department did in detroit.

Theres 25 promotions to detective open But because of AA you dont get the top 25 in the job's.

We have to have a ratio
5 white males
5 black males
5 black female
5 white females
5 dumb ass polocks

I'm 100 percent of polish decent so i can say that lol


now only 5 polocks take the test, hell they can't spell there name, lowest scores ever in the department. But they become detectives, because of AA.

Now tell me how the **** can you run a good department, or anything of that matter, when the people in charge dont know there ass from a hole in the ground. Please tell me how this make the department run better?

Would it not be better just to take the 25 best scores?
Are you the kind of person who bitches about rights, gets your way , then bitches about how its being run?

[JohnnyG]

5 dumb ass polocks

I'm 100 percent of polish decent so i can say that lol


now only 5 polocks take the test, hell they can bearly spell there name, lowest scores ever in the department.
AH,Now that explains your problem!!!

[Lunger]

I see lil Johnny still cant answer the question lol

[ClassicChargerDriver]

Hey Gang, new to the board and this was the first thing I saw. Not a good subject.
For one thing you need to do some history reading ( of real books ) to find out about the true meaning of the flag. For one the flag was made to define the southern states not to promote hate. As too putting the flag on the 06, if I was them I would'nt do it either. It would be a shame to dress up a family car as a stock car.

[epoch]

It would be a shame to dress up a family car as a stock car.

Yay! A new old-man troll!

I can't get enough of you guys.

[ClassicChargerDriver]

It's like "Oh, you're black and inferior, so here, we'll hand you something." It's insulting, don't you think? No whats insulting is an American that dont know true History. ( mostly the school systems fault ) Spend some time around some real Rednecks. You will see a diffrence. I fly my Flag daily and have black freinds who know what it means. Anyone with a brain knows that the word ****** means ignorant. It dont have nothin to do with color. The Black folks here will even refer to people as such when indeed they act as so. White , Black, Mexican it dose not matter.

As too your quote up top, the Gov. gives hand outs for Votes. Yes most Blacks get these hand outs for one reason. They have played the Slave card too long. Do some reading, it was their cheifs that sold them over here to start with. Yes my family had slaves, and when the war was over they stayed ! They were treated good, paid well ( for that day and time as a slave ). I dont care if your green with 2 heads, if you act like a man I will respect you like one.

The KKK ( david duke really ) started the whole Flag/hate thing years ago. Anybody that uses the flag for such things is a dissgrace to the Southern Pride of all of us. Most of which caint tell ya the first flag of the US muchless its meaning.

As to me being a New Old Troll, Thank You. Ive been called worse by better.

[epoch]

No whats insulting is an American that dont know true History. ( mostly the school systems fault ) Spend some time around some real Rednecks. You will see a diffrence.
They're all the same. They're all hateful imbeciles.
Anyone with a brain knows that the word ****** means ignorant. It dont have nothin to do with color.
Uh...just because you and five of your friends in the deep south use the word in a different way than 95% of the american population, doesn't mean that's the definitive meaning.

Main Entry: nig·ger
Pronunciation: 'ni-g&r
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger
1 usually offensive, see usage paragraph below : a black person
2 usually offensive, see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark-skinned race
3 : a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons <it's time for somebody to lead all of America's ******s... all the people who feel left out of the political process -- Ron Dellums>
usage ****** in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles ****ens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use by and among blacks is not always intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry.

To use your own "I like to bang my sister" dialect:
That thur don't say nuthin' 'bout it being ignorant.

Yes my family had slaves, and when the war was over they stayed ! They were treated good, paid well ( for that day and time as a slave ). I dont care if your green with 2 heads, if you act like a man I will respect you like one.
Hate to break it to you, but maybe if you had an IQ over 100, you'd understand this, but I'll lay it out anyway. Being a slave is nothing like being a free man working a free job. Just because you treated your slaves with your so-called "respect" doesn't mean they were treated the way a man should be treated. Doesn't the word "slave" have a negative connotation to you?
Yikes.

The KKK ( david duke really ) started the whole Flag/hate thing years ago. Anybody that uses the flag for such things is a dissgrace to the Southern Pride of all of us. Most of which caint tell ya the first flag of the US muchless its meaning.
I don't care who did what or started what. The flag is used for hate today. I've seen it first-hand (see my first post on this thread back on page one or two). Again, your make-believe microcosm of crackers and black people who don't mind working as slaves and call Mexicans ******s doesn't exactly portray the mainstream American demographic.

You're just a racist. Save us all the time of bickering and just come right out and say it.

[ClassicChargerDriver]

You really need to read a book sometime. You are the exact reason people are blind to reality. You say what you think is right but have no knowledge of truth. The American Flag is looked at in the same way from other people from around the world. Just because we are free they think we are the Devil.

And Umm , I think before you talk about someones elses IQ you might need to check yourself. Imbociles = Imbecile

and umm Im not 200 years old. Think about it .

and the sister thing well thats a yank state, try west VA.

[epoch]

You really need to read a book sometime. You are the exact reason people are blind to reality. You say what you think is right but have no knowledge of truth.

Please enlighten me as to how reading a book will make witnessing people wearing and displaying the confederate flag while beating up a black kid at my school go away. Tell me how it will erase images of the KKK carrying it as they march. You're ****ing delusional. And I never said what I "thought was right", I said what I've seen and experienced first-hand. Except for the part about slavery being wrong. It is wrong. Do you disagree? You probably do, since you're a racist.


And Umm , I think before you talk about someones elses IQ you might need to check yourself. Imbociles = Imbecile

It's "imbeciles", just as I spelled it the first time. Are even southern dictionaries full of lies and inconsistencies, or what? Christ.

[ClassicChargerDriver]

I'm glad you atleast know how to use the Modify button.
and your right I am a racist ( racism, prejudice against certain people )
Like the ones that use symbols to hide behind. The ones that are to stupid to see the real meaning of things, and kids that buy into government regulated crap. Color aint got nothing to do with it.
I bet your one of the tree huggers that think we should rebuild Iraq being the war is our and all.

The real reason they dont want to associate the 06 to the Real G Lee. It was a colored guy that designed it, and its a Greman that has his face all over it. Oh yeah lets not use real American History on a non American car.

Read a book, get a education, and grow up.

done

[GLHS837]

Guys, guys. Can we bring this back on topic, and drop all the other crap? If not, I might just lock it. This is about a car, not the redneck way of life or anything else. Until we have a dedicated off topic section, let this stuff go.

[DAYTONA_R/T]

Until we have a dedicated off topic section, let this stuff go.

umm... we do have a dedicated off-topic area... http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6

or click on forums and look at the last sub-forum heading...

:whistle:

[GLHS837]

Doh!!!!! You all take it over there:)

[Drew82]

Alright, first off, I was a huge fan of Dukes of Hazzard. Huge. Also, i am from the south. Furthermore, I have quite a lengthy knowledge about the historical causes and effects of the War Between the States. As with any war, it was one brought about for a myriad of reasons. State's rights was the biggest reason, money influenced some and slavery was an issue, but truly just a catalyst for the State's Rights debate. Abraham Lincoln's plan to resolve the "slave question" was to ship all persons of African descent back to Africa.

However, this thread is about The General Lee, not the causes and effects of the War. In the show, the flag was a symbol of Southern Pride in its most innocent form. The Flag is actually not even the Confederate Flag. It is the Naval Jack. So, technically it should only be flown from a ship. Now, to me the real issue is not the flag, but the fact that the car is a four door! Seriously?!? Are you joking? That and the fact that the Daytona is the only one that comes in Orange. Also, the Axle ratio is horrible! 2.82?!? My 2002 Z28 is a crappy 3.41.

I want to see a 2 door, available in Orange, 6.1 Litre, 3.73 rear axle, MANUAL transmission Charger in production next year.

[Stonebreaker]

I think Chrysler's smart not to draw too close a comparison to the old charger. Look what happened to the GTO. The Charger name, in and of itself, is a great name for an American car. But the new charger is too different from the old one to try to draw parallels.

[ChargerOsix]

Osix, in your opinion, do you feel that AA still has its place? I agree with you that it had a purpose *at one time*, but I don't think it still does.

Disclaimer: I'm "White" (I'm so many things that I don't like to consider myself white, because white to me usually means WASP, but I digress...), but I imagine that if I were black, or the tables were turned, I wouldn't want a government organization patronizing me and giving me a job over another man that is more qualified because of the color of my skin. It's still racism, in my opinion.

It's like "Oh, you're black and inferior, so here, we'll hand you something." It's insulting, don't you think?

No I don' think AA is a good idea today despite the fact there is still racism. A system based on the poor would be better than a system based on race. Poorness is color blind. In todays society, its easier to succeed despite of racism. I am the perfect example of that. Done nothing but work my ass off to get where I'm at today. No college degree but I manage an office building for a major financial institution, make well over $50K per year, and I'm barely in my 30s (look more like 25). AA had nothing to do with it either. I have this job because I know how to deal with people, get the job done, and I'm no fool about the ways of the world (cant bull**** me). And there are some people here who fit the bull**** category.

[ChargerOsix]

Dam i love this one.

Lets take what the police department did in detroit.

Theres 25 promotions to detective open But because of AA you dont get the top 25 in the job's.

We have to have a ratio
5 white males
5 black males
5 black female
5 white females
5 dumb ass polocks

I'm 100 percent of polish decent so i can say that lol


now only 5 polocks take the test, hell they can't spell there name, lowest scores ever in the department. But they become detectives, because of AA.

Now tell me how the **** can you run a good department, or anything of that matter, when the people in charge dont know there ass from a hole in the ground. Please tell me how this make the department run better?

Would it not be better just to take the 25 best scores?
Are you the kind of person who bitches about rights, gets your way , then bitches about how its being run?

I'll bitch about right when its wrong. Again, AA was created because of the injustices handed out to blacks in this country from the previous centuries. It wasnt blacks that created the situation where this is necessary. Nor did blacks have the power to make the AA law itself. And today we dont have the power to keep it. So in the beginning and end, blacks ride the wave of the power establishment. Being victims of racism and prejudiceness is why AA was created. Don't blame the victim for a situation they could not control, even til this day. Blame the perpetrators that made the situation where AA is even necessary.

[ChargerOsix]

No whats insulting is an American that dont know true History. ( mostly the school systems fault ) Spend some time around some real Rednecks. You will see a diffrence. I fly my Flag daily and have black freinds who know what it means. Anyone with a brain knows that the word ****** means ignorant. It dont have nothin to do with color. The Black folks here will even refer to people as such when indeed they act as so. White , Black, Mexican it dose not matter.

As too your quote up top, the Gov. gives hand outs for Votes. Yes most Blacks get these hand outs for one reason. They have played the Slave card too long. Do some reading, it was their cheifs that sold them over here to start with. Yes my family had slaves, and when the war was over they stayed ! They were treated good, paid well ( for that day and time as a slave ). I dont care if your green with 2 heads, if you act like a man I will respect you like one.

The KKK ( david duke really ) started the whole Flag/hate thing years ago. Anybody that uses the flag for such things is a dissgrace to the Southern Pride of all of us. Most of which caint tell ya the first flag of the US muchless its meaning.

As to me being a New Old Troll, Thank You. Ive been called worse by better.
I must of missed the "hand out" line. Where can I go pick mine up?
Yes, Africans did sell other Africans but how does that justify the inhumane treatment of blacks in this country. It goes beyond slavery because if it didnt the black guy in Jasper, TX wouldnt have been dragged to his death. What did that have to do with slavery?

And on the flag thing, as a black man how am I supposed to distinguish one showing Southern pride apart from the person thats a racist. I'm the type of person to talk to anyone but when I see that flag, its a red light. I wont take that chance because of the flag. It causes more division than unity. Even amongst fellow Southerners.

[ChargerOsix]

The American Flag is looked at in the same way from other people from around the world. Just because we are free they think we are the Devil.
Not entirely true. It has more to do with our governmental policies and politics more than being a free country. In the ME, the policy has been, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Case in point Afghanistan vs USSR and Iraq vs Iran. OBL was an American ally in the war against the Russians. When that was over so was the relationship. Iraq was our ally when they were battling Iran. We even sold Saddam checmical weapons. Then to make things worse the Gov't turns around and sells arms to Iran while fighting the Iraqis. (Iran - Contra - North)
The policies and procedures the gov't has taken in that area contributes to the devil philosophy. However, its mostly due to the support for Israel.

[Omegalock]

Not entirely true. It has more to do with our governmental policies and politics more than being a free country. In the ME, the policy has been, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Case in point Afghanistan vs USSR and Iraq vs Iran. OBL was an American ally in the war against the Russians. When that was over so was the relationship. Iraq was our ally when they were battling Iran. We even sold Saddam checmical weapons. Then to make things worse the Gov't turns around and sells arms to Iran while fighting the Iraqis. (Iran - Contra - North)
The policies and procedures the gov't has taken in that area contributes to the devil philosophy. However, its mostly due to the support for Israel.
Bin Laden never trusted or liked us. He and many of his extremist buddies will use who ever they can to do what they can. It's not like we sold him up the river. The Jihadist in Afghanistan took our help but they were never our allies or friends.

I'll freely admit we have made our bed to an extent in the Middle East however many of those folks just hate us and the west in general on spec.
Just wait though. As the world starts moving away from middle eastern crude oil and their economies go into the tank you'll start to see a very different opinion on the west.

[Thunderkiss]

If anyone thinks that the Civil War was about slavery you probably went to public school. Remember, those that win the war write the history books.

The war was about taxes and land, pure and simple. Lincoln even said that the south could seceed if it kept paying taxes and let northern troops on their land.

Slavery was a nice emotional issue to rile up the Colleges and newspapers.

Grant (a northern General) wouldn't even release his slaves, even after the war. His wife released them when he made a trip to Washington.

The South wanted the right to govern themselves and thought that it was hypocritical that the states (Massachusetts namely) who taught them slavery, would now try to use it for politics.

The funny thing is that I heard a liberal after the last governor's race here in Florida say that the state should be split up since the north is southern and the south is a bunch of displaced northerners.

Then after the presidential of 2004 Fatass Michael Moore said the country should be split up.

We tried to do that 145 years ago and the president decided to invade a territory that declared itself sovereign and kill and burn everything in sight.

The confederate flag represents a different and simpler way of life free from the governments prying hands. Too bad they didn't succeed.

Oh and by the way, the industrial revolution would have ended slavery eventually anyway. :silenced:

[Omegalock]

Oh and by the way, the industrial revolution would have ended slavery eventually anyway. :silenced:
Ummm no.

A slave is a slave. Whether he is tending a field or working a lathe.
You would have just had better trained and more skilled slaves.

[Thunderkiss]

And I am sure some liberal idiot will say that slavery never ended, we are all slaves now. Blah blah blah wah wah wah.

Fact is most everyone is a bunch of whiners. Climb back in your $30,000 car, your nice house and quit the whining and judging. Most people who say that slavery was so horrible would have owned slaves then. Hindsight is 20/20 and you just don't know how you would have felt.

It is easy to judge people with 21st century blinders on. Whine whine whine, blah blah blah :cry: .

[DX-TYPE]

I watched the show as a kid what i like the most about it what every kid liked was the dodge charger the flag didnt mean anything to us the name General Lee was just the name of the car it didnt mean anything to us
01 was just that nothing else
untill we got older and learned more about the civil war and socitey and are enviorments we grew up in told us what they the symbols on the General Lee really meant in there eyes and yes too this day if i see a confederate flag i think of rasisim, slavey,KKK and every other negative thing that you can imagine that's how society programed us to think i dont like thinking that way i rather stay positive but its a automatic relfex but never once when i see the flag on the Genreal Lee i thought of it or the characters on the show of being that way who here can say other wise.
Chrysler might be afraid of offending anyone which is impossible now a days your going to pist someone off cant make everyone happy, you cant mention Dodge Charger without thinking about
Mussle Car,The General Lee,or 70's real fast and truly furious classic car
same goes with the Potiac Trans Am , Smokey and the Bandit
and Night Rider you cant think about one and without the other. And as far what rappers buy who cares i like to see what they can do with these cars as far as tricking them out but i bought my dodge chager because i Luv the dodge chager style its a sporty version of the magnum and 300M just wish the had a two door need i say more? and yes racisms can go both ways, agree to disagreee its the american way:)

[Omegalock]

And I am sure some liberal idiot will say that slavery never ended, we are all slaves now. Blah blah blah wah wah wah.

Fact is most everyone is a bunch of whiners. Climb back in your $30,000 car, your nice house and quit the whining and judging. Most people who say that slavery was so horrible would have owned slaves then. Hindsight is 20/20 and you just don't know how you would have felt.

It is easy to judge people with 21st century blinders on. Whine whine whine, blah blah blah :cry: .
Mmmmm no I'm pretty sure how I would have felt.
21st century blinders...what a wonderful way to phrase realizing that certain things are WRONG. That's why it went away. I'd like to think with my 21st century blinders that bashing my neighbor over the head with a club and taking stuff from him I didn't need was wrong. But hey who knows how I would have felt if my name was Ugh... :confused:

[Mattparker]

Check the history books! Every slave brought to America came under the American Flag NOT the Confederate Flag.

[Thunderkiss]

Ouch!!!

Good point there mattparker!!

It's amazing to me that people still think the War of Northern Aggression was fought over slavery.

He's probably the kind of person who would like to abolish the Constitution because (what did they know about freedom) they owned slaves.

Well we've lasted 229 years with it.

And even now people are trying to INTERPRET it or IMPROVE upon it.

Good luck, probably can't balance your checkbook. :embarrese

[JohnnyG]

Alot of you guys here need to chill!!When talking about all human beings,Everybody is created equal in the eyes of The Lord,and no one,I repeat no one, has more authority than Him!!!! Race,color,creed,we are all equal!!! We all can have our opinions,but in the final end, the first statement above is the The Only Statement that will apply!! For the rest,all as we can do,is pray for them not to have a darkened heart!! Now back to the subject of this thread,I think its a good idea on Chrysler's part to let this flag deal rest,and open the market up to everyone showing no bias to any customer!! Hopefully from our pasts,we can and should have already learned how to treat everyone equal. peace :yes:

[whiteshark1981]

im new to this forum but cant believe people are concerned with the confederate flag being on a charger. who cares. racism, i dont think so. im 24yrs old and grew up watching the dukes. its a family show about doing the right thing no matter the consequences, so if i want to take my charger, stamp an 01 on the side complete with the rebel flag then i should be able to do so. once in a college class i had a 1967 cherry impala with the old georgia state flag license plate on it and got cussed out by this group of ignorant black girls because part of it is a confederate flag. it had nothing do do with slavery it was a smokey and the bandit thing(loved that car). everybody is equal in my book until they come up with some bs to b*tch about. anyway i cant wait to get my go mango daytona. yall have a great day.

[RonRacer]

Can you blame them? The Confederate Flag (face it, it's the truth) is a symbol of hate and defiance. The T.V. show, I understand, has a good bit of fans and history, but with Chrysler having such tremendous success with the 300C and the Charger, and that success is due (many will say) to black rap artists, it's easy to see why Chrysler would resist biting the proverbial feeding hand.

The question at hand is whether or not you think marketing the Charger alongside and in conjunction with the new film will help bolster sales or hurt them?

I honestly don't know. What do you think?
I just think it's ugly. :neutral:
i mean i'm black but i don't care about the confederate flag. i mean it is a part of history bad or not. besides i think the 06 resembles the 66/67 more than the General Lee which is a 68.

[Goat Lover]

Anyone who states that the Confederate flag is a symbol of hate is severely uneducated on the Civil War. It wasnt about slavery, it wasnt about blacks, it wasnt about racism. it was about freedom and the norths control and enforcement over the souths. This enslavement of the south by the north forced the south to succeed and BAMM! civil war.

The Flag is about the spirit of the south, freedom, pride, and herritage.

[RonRacer]

Anyone who states that the Confederate flag is a symbol of hate is severely uneducated on the Civil War. It wasnt about slavery, it wasnt about blacks, it wasnt about racism. it was about freedom and the norths control and enforcement over the souths. This enslavement of the south by the north forced the south to succeed and BAMM! civil war.

The Flag is about the spirit of the south, freedom, pride, and herritage.
Wow... Yyyouu must be a redneck

but i will sadly have to a agree w/ mini Lee. the flag represents someone herritage. i mean how many blacks in here would be upset if they took away the black panther insignia. or said the neoafrican flags are not allowed in the US. "There is always two sides to a line"

[cork]

it was about freedom and the norths control and enforcement over the souths. This enslavement of the south by the north forced the south to succeed and BAMM! civil war.


Huh? :confused: please explain "enslavement of the south by the north"

[t5rider]

Wow... Yyyouu must be a redneck

but i will sadly have to a agree w/ mini Lee. the flag represents someone herritage. i mean how many blacks in here would be upset if they took away the black panther insignia. or said the neoafrican flags are not allowed in the US. "There is always two sides to a line"

Actually, GoatLover is right. The war did start because of the belief in the south that the North did not understand their way of life. Slavery was an issue at the time, but not strong enough of one to start a civil war. But when faced with rising taxes on southern crops and the North's desire to press forth an agenda wherein the Federal Gov't had authority over all states (therefore trouncing on States' rights to decide their own fates, etc...)the Southern states said "enough!" and formed a confederacy.

Lincoln added insult to injury with the Emancipation Proclamation, but that did not occur until well into the CIvil War.

[Thunderkiss]

Actually, GoatLover is right. The war did start because of the belief in the south that the North did not understand their way of life. Slavery was an issue at the time, but not strong enough of one to start a civil war. But when faced with rising taxes on southern crops and the North's desire to press forth an agenda wherein the Federal Gov't had authority over all states (therefore trouncing on States' rights to decide their own fates, etc...)the Southern states said "enough!" and formed a confederacy.

Lincoln added insult to injury with the Emancipation Proclamation, but that did not occur until well into the CIvil War.

And don't forget that even Barak Obama, a black senator from Illinois said recently that the Emancipation Proclamation had less to do with freeing slaves and more to do with military marching orders.

I just about sh!t when I read that a black man, or any man for that matter, said that, I've been saying that for years.

You know there are history books out there other than the one's in public schools.

[Goat Lover]

Wow... Yyyouu must be a redneck

but i will sadly have to a agree w/ mini Lee. the flag represents someone herritage. i mean how many blacks in here would be upset if they took away the black panther insignia. or said the neoafrican flags are not allowed in the US. "There is always two sides to a line"
So you call me a name and bassically say im wrong without facts to backup your thoughts :rolleyes: real nice :mad:

Actually, GoatLover is right. The war did start because of the belief in the south that the North did not understand their way of life. Slavery was an issue at the time, but not strong enough of one to start a civil war. But when faced with rising taxes on southern crops and the North's desire to press forth an agenda wherein the Federal Gov't had authority over all states (therefore trouncing on States' rights to decide their own fates, etc...)the Southern states said "enough!" and formed a confederacy.

Lincoln added insult to injury with the Emancipation Proclamation, but that did not occur until well into the CIvil War.

Exactly my thoughts :) ... just worded better, lol

[RonRacer]

So you call me a name and bassically say im wrong without facts to backup your thoughts :rolleyes: real nice :mad:
I didn't say you were wrong.
wait...you like GTO(goats)right? :neutral:

[Goat Lover]

You bassically implied i was wrong by angrily calling me a redneck

[RonRacer]

You bassically implied i was wrong by angrily calling me a redneck
What!?!?! you need to learn to read between the lines. i was trying to imitate jeff foxworhty. and i agreed w/u. i getting sick of you women getting offended if i don't put a smile at the end of everything. i mean damn i actually agreed w/u and you go and focus on the redneck joke ya senitive bastard :) . maybe i should be upset at this whole thread offending my people's opression? :happy: but i won't cuz i culd care less you guy think or say in here :happy: . cuz it's just a forum :happy:

[Goat Lover]

What!?!?! you need to learn to read between the lines. i was trying to imitate jeff foxworhty. and i agreed w/u. i getting sick of you women getting offended if i don't put a smile at the end of everything. i mean damn i actually agreed w/u and you go and focus on the redneck joke ya senitive bastard :) . maybe i should be upset at this whole thread offending my people's opression? :happy: but i won't cuz i culd care less you guy think or say in here :happy: . cuz it's just a forum :happy:
lol, its hard to read between the lines and see humor in something without a smiley, seeing as the internet doesnt convey tone of voice and type of attitude that well, lol

Well, sorry bout he misunderstanding, lol

[MCaesar]

Ouch!!!

Good point there mattparker!!

It's amazing to me that people still think the War of Northern Aggression was fought over slavery.

He's probably the kind of person who would like to abolish the Constitution because (what did they know about freedom) they owned slaves.

Well we've lasted 229 years with it.

And even now people are trying to INTERPRET it or IMPROVE upon it.

Good luck, probably can't balance your checkbook. :embarrese

comical

"War of Northern Agression" that is too funny.

Lets summarize, the South was scared that Lincoln was going to ban slavery so they tried to leave the Union. They got beat in their one and only war and surrendered.

The North then came down and put harsh terms on the South that were eventually done away with.

Now fast forward to modern times.

A few people think that the flag of this beaten revolt signifies southern pride. Why would the flag of a nation that was beaten and dissolved instill pride? I don't know but if it works for them so be it. Sure, there may be some lunatic fringe people who the flag symbolizes white superiority but nothing you can do about that in a free country so long as they don't violate the rights of others.

If you want to put civil war loser's flag on your car I won't object. Me, I am an American and prefer the American flag.

[Red5]

When DCX considered this they had a couple questions that had to be answered:
1. Will tying the current Charger in with the General Lee increase sales?
Given the history of the Charger, its highly probable that it would. That raised question 2.
2. Is the Confederate Flag a racist symbol by definition?
The answer to this one is a little more complicated. Before I attempt to answer it, let me first say that I think that there is nothing fundamentally wrong with "southern pride." The issue of rascism comes into play when Confederate symbols are tied in with southern pride. That raises the question 3.
3. Was the Confederacy founded upon racist ideas?
This is the most delicate question, and everyone seems to have a very definite opinion on the matter. The answer, however, is relatively easy to find if you look in the right places. There was a speech, delivered by Vice President of the Confederacy Alexander H. Stephens in the capitol in Savannah that clearly outlines several aspects of the Confederacy that are often debated. Keep in mind two things about this speech: it was delivered by the Vice President, not some low level official, and it was Hitler's personal favorite speech by a non-German.
"All the essentials of the old constitution, which have endeared it to the hearts of the American people, have been preserved and perpetuated. [Applause.] Some changes have been made. Of these I shall speak presently. Some of these I should have preferred not to have seen made; but these, perhaps, meet the cordial approbation of a majority of this audience, if not an overwhelming majority of the people of the Confederacy. Of them, therefore, I will not speak. But other important changes do meet my cordial approbation. They form great improvements upon the old constitution. So, taking the whole new constitution, I have no hesitancy in giving it as my judgment that it is decidedly better than the old. [Applause.]"
...
"But not to be tedious in enumerating the numerous changes for the better, allow me to allude to one other -- though last, not least. The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution -- African slavery as it exists amongst us -- the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split." He was right. What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact. But whether he fully comprehended the great truth upon which that rock stood and stands, may be doubted. The prevailing ideas entertained by him and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew."

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition. [Applause.] This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind -- from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity."

As is plainly visible from this speech by the Vice President, the true foundations of the Confederacy and the cause of the so called "War of Northern Aggression" was not states' rights, but that "the negro is not equal to the white man...that slavery is his natural and normal condition." This is blatantly racist and should put to rest any debate over the true causes of the Civil War.
Keeping this in mind, there is little doubt as to why DCX chose not to tie their marketing of a product projected to sell heavily among African American males with that of a car sporting a large, obviously racist flag. The truth is that the descendants of those subjected to the horrors of slavery simply have a longer cultural memory than those descended from the masters. That being said, I personally love both the DoH and the General Lee, but I understand why DCX made what I consider to be an intelligent marketing decision.

[MCaesar]

Outstanding work!

"All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind -- from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity"

Amen

[W.C.C.BaLLeR]

Our 2 dr General Lee proudly sports the flag on the roof...wouldnt be a Gen Lee without it. You guys are looking too far into it and so is Chrysler.

[MCaesar]

Would that be the winning American flag or the flag of the loser rebels?

The American flag is the only flag worthy of flying on my car.

[Thunderkiss]

Would that be the winning American flag or the flag of the loser rebels?

The American flag is the only flag worthy of flying on my car.

Thought I'd post a little American History.

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]-that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. [Cheers and laughter.] My understanding is that I can just let her alone. I am now in my fiftieth year, and I certainly never have had a black woman for either a slave or a wife. So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes. I will add to this that I have never seen, to my knowledge, a man, woman or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political, between negroes and white men."

Abraham Lincoln - 4th debate with Stephen Douglas - September 18, 1858 - Charleston, Il.

[Thunderkiss]

Civil War

Who were the real winners?

Politicians, pure and simple.

[danaM]

I looked for some top notched forum guys I think are real cool in this forum to post on this thread and they did not. I think that is cool. Goddady and a few others, no where to be seen on this non mod changer thread. They are in other sections posting message on the Charger and how to make our chargers better cars for us. Hmm, there is an idea??? I want to follow their lead but, as a black man and I do consider my self a black man although, my mother is Italian and my father is 1/2 black and 1/2 spanish, I had to at least jump in a say a few words.

The flag could have went on the 06 GL in the movie. I would have not noticed the flag. Might have not noticed Jessica Sympson either although, can't say for sure on that one. There probably would have been a few things I could not keep my eyes off of. :)

Just like when I was a little boy, my eyes were always glued to the original GL, the car on the show, the wheels and tires, rear, any interior shoots, and finally the decals and paint job got all my attention.

As far as the flag is concerned and southern pride. whatever, southern pride is fine. I like southern pride and I am from Ohio. I like the way the folks down south are passionate about their basketball and football. I like southern pride in the form of old southern rock groups. Don't get me started on breaking out the live Blackfoot, Molly Hatchet, Mountain, lynard skynard or Georgia Satellites mp3s collection. :-)

I like southern country rock, the new stuff from the past 12 years and the old stuff. George Jones, Hank Jr., Randy, Kenny, Alan and Tim, they all make my list.

As does, Twister, Babyface, Snopp Dogg, Tupac, Bow Wow, and others such as Four Play, Bob James, Earl Klugh, Anita Baker, and Rick Bruan. I guess the point I am trying to make here is flag or no flag, not everyone is offended by it being there even it it had been in the movie. Some folks might even dig it. If that charger had the confederate flag on it and I would have seen that move and there were no burnout's, no revs, no smoking tires, I would have been offended but not by the flag, If the flag was on the car, and they were burning rubber all over the screen and leaving other muscles cars in the dust, I would have probably seen the movie more than a few times and thought everything about the GL was very cool :-)

-d

[MCaesar]

The bottom line is that DCX is making their money on the strength of the hip-hop crowd for the LX, not the good ole boys.

From a BUSINESS standpoint, it makes no sense to cater to a few guys who prefer pickup trucks and piss off the people who made the 300C a hit.

[KY-Daytona]

Our 2 dr General Lee proudly sports the flag on the roof...wouldnt be a Gen Lee without it. You guys are looking too far into it and so is Chrysler.
Your General Lee is Bad A$$ too!
As for everyone getting so tore up about the flag, is it not in the past?
I mean, sure there are a select few all over the country that still embrace this flag in a negative way. I for one am from the South and never really give the flag a second thought, but if someone were to dis-associate(sp) the flag with the Charger... then that would be unacceptable! :yes:

[arfur]

Your General Lee is Bad A$$ too!
As for everyone getting so tore up about the flag, is it not in the past?
I mean, sure there are a select few all over the country that still embrace this flag in a negative way. I for one am from the South and never really give the flag a second thought, but if someone were to dis-associate(sp) the flag with the Charger... then that would be unacceptable! :yes:

As much as I agree, I wouldn't want to paint a Swastika on the roof of my car - for obvious reasons.

That was in the past as well, but there are ppl around who will always see the swastika and be reminded of sad days gone by. The same would be true of the Confedorate Battle flag IMHO. Guess the company just doesn't want to do anything too controversial.

It does seem to get excessively politically correct sometimes and it does drive ppl up the wall - but if there are objections from an area of society, are these to be ignored (or the potential for such objections)?

I am in no way comparing the Confedorate (Battle) flag with a swastika (or what it stood for), just trying to make a point!!! :happy:

[KY-Daytona]

As much as I agree, I wouldn't want to paint a Swastika on the roof of my car - for obvious reasons.

That was in the past as well, but there are ppl around who will always see the swastika and be reminded of sad days gone by. The same would be true of the Confedorate Battle flag IMHO. Guess the company just doesn't want to do anything too controversial.

It does seem to get excessively politically correct sometimes and it does drive ppl up the wall - but if there are objections from an area of society, are these to be ignored (or the potential for such objections)?

I am in no way comparing the Confedorate (Battle) flag with a swastika (or what it stood for), just trying to make a point!!! :happy:

Point Well Made

[HIGH_HEMI]

Did you know that the American 45th Division shoulder patch has a swastika on it...until the Nazi's literally changed it's perceived meaning?
http://www.m38a1.com/Misc-MV/thunderbirds.htm

Ain't us human's a peculiar bunch?

[arfur]

Did you know that the American 45th Division shoulder patch has a swastika on it...until the Nazi's literally changed it's perceived meaning?
http://www.m38a1.com/Misc-MV/thunderbirds.htm

Ain't us human's a peculiar bunch?

No - I had no idea! Oh yeah - nowt as queer as folk! :happy:

IIRC the Hindu religion uses a symbol very much like th