What happened to the Reverend Hammer?

[high888]

I see he got the boot from the forum. What happened? Or is it none of my business?

[no-rulz25]

I'm sure glad I canceled my Hammer order!!

[FlyByU]

Glad you cancelled your order? The Air Hammer is still a good product and Rev is a supporting vendor on other forums. Not sure what happened here.

[Half 918]

did he get booted or just decide not to be a suporting vendor?

[Half 918]

My intake is freakin awsome!!

it took forever for me to get it,, 11 weeks in all, :silenced:

I had one question durring my install and I called the cell number he gave in the intructions and he answerd right away and gave me more info then I needed lol!! So its hard for me to complain about anything.

[FlyByU]

heres the scoop guys, pretty interesting.

http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=69400

[Half 918]

I am afraid to ask or say anything about this issue, in fear that something might happen to me!!!:ninja: :devil:

[arfur]

heres the scoop guys, pretty interesting.

http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=69400
Just the standard 'one side of the story' and a rallying of support. Not really interesting....more partial bits of info which have been molded to support the claims of some peed off peeps.

IIRC (to the OP), there was a ban due to advertising of a product/service before the go-ahead had been given by the Admin here. A warning was apparently given and then ignored by the hard of understanding. The resultant ban was taken very badly by all accounts........

Also - the request of making one's car available for testing of a product was not taken up by anybody here through freedom of choice, no interest, or just not convinced of the product. I myself have no inclination to use my time/vehicle to prove or disprove a vendors product unless I actually want to. And I didn't (and still don't).

Anyway - even though the thread there clearly bashes these forums, I think it best if the subject is left well alone and if you have any issues/questions, PM HEMEEE and she could prolly fill in a few of the gaps.

It's really not worth the effort in getting into this old, old argument. :smoke:

[arfur]

I am afraid to ask or say anything about this issue, in fear that something might happen to me!!!:ninja: :devil:
Nothing will happen to you if you have all the facts and don't just bad-mouth other forums because you got your knuckles rapped..... :)

[FlyByU]

Someone asked the question and I found the answer, simple as that.

I think alot of people are so worried about saying what they feel or whatever. Whats the big deal Arfur? Just let people talk, its just words. Nobody is perfect, not even the moderators/owners of these forums. Im sure their feelings arent hurt.

[PaCharger]

hehe...what a great thread to read on a first stop by in a while. Went to LX and 300 since I'm a member there as well. Seems demographics may play a part in attitudes...maybe it's longer term car owners as well.

Either way, ashame. Guess thin skin is an epidemic.

[arfur]

Someone asked the question and I found the answer, simple as that.

I think alot of people are so worried about saying what they feel or whatever. Whats the big deal Arfur? Just let people talk, its just words. Nobody is perfect, not even the moderators/owners of these forums. Im sure their feelings arent hurt.
Somebody asked the question and you found a thread on a forum giving one side of the story - I didn't say there was anything at all wrong with that. Just trying to point out that the thread you pointed to was soooo heavily biased in one direction, as to be not really worth reading.

There's no 'big deal' here. Just don't want this spiralling out of control as this topic has in the past.

It's not a case of hurt feelings - it's a case of fact.

And by your logic, with people not being perfect, it is entirely feasible that what was done to the aggrieved was justified and that the info there is scewed....due to imperfection.

BTW - my reply was not meant to throw any kind of 'mud' at you - my response was to that thread only - not the fact that you posted it.

[FlyByU]

Sounds good to me. I didnt read the whole thread and dont plan on it. I just read the first post that HAMMER MOTORSPORTS posted. Not sure what everyone else is saying. Im sure its just a bunch of blah blah :)

To each his own.

[arfur]

Sounds good to me. I didnt read the whole thread and dont plan on it. I just read the first post that HAMMER MOTORSPORTS posted. Not sure what everyone else is saying. Im sure its just a bunch of blah blah :)

To each his own.
:grin:

It's really not worth lowering your IQ for. ;)

[HKLEVI]

Was worried for a minute Arf, thought you were getting pulled into a black hole of "why he got banned and it's so wrong".
Personally, I haven't found anyone's banning to be unsubstantiated yet.
Now the pulling of some threads......

[arfur]

Was worried for a minute Arf, thought you were getting pulled into a black hole of "why he got banned and it's so wrong".
Personally, I haven't found anyone's banning to be unsubstantiated yet.
Now the pulling of some threads......
Precisely - no matter what might get said on other forums, there was a banning for a reason - nobody turns away business unless that business is not worth having...... People were asked not to do something and they went ahead and did it just the same (IIRC) - HEMEEE can fill anybody in who asks (or cares). Guess there are just people about who cannot take responsibility for their part in what actually happened.

Oh - and as to the pulling of threads - I gotta list of some that need to be binned.... ;)

[HKLEVI]

Precisely - no matter what might get said on other forums, there was a banning for a reason - nobody turns away business unless that business is not worth having...... People were asked not to do something and they went ahead and did it just the same (IIRC) - HEMEEE can fill anybody in who asks (or cares). Guess there are just people about who cannot take responsibility for their part in what actually happened.

Oh - and as to the pulling of threads - I gotta list of some that need to be binned.... ;)
Let me guess, 1583 threads started by some Brit wanker????

[arfur]

Let me guess, 1583 threads started by some Brit wanker????
Hehehe - yeah - that's a good start! :grin:

[high888]

Gotta ask: What's a IIRC?

[arfur]

Gotta ask: What's a IIRC?
Sorry - 'If I Remember Correctly'

:)

[high888]

Oh. Had not heard of that one before. Thank you.

[Half 918]

I am afraid to ask or say anything about this issue, in fear that something might happen to me!

For the record I was just kidding!!:rolleyes:

[HEMEEE]

Normally we believe business should be conducted in private, but because of the way things played out at LXF, to remain silent would be unfair to our members. To answer your question high888, yes, it is your business, but not by our choice.

Thank you all for NOT letting this thread go in the same direction as the other!

For the member's consideration, I've copied a post below that I made at 300cforums. I'm sorry it's a long post, but it's been a long ordeal:

----Non-Supporting Vendor Violations- Rev.Hammer/wheelife----

We know you have questions, and we want to address those. Typically we believe these matters should be handled privately, however, in light of the thread RH has created at LXF (http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=69400), and the negativity it has generated, we feel we have no choice but to bring this out in the open. This thread will run for as long as his does, to answer his unfounded accusations.

There really is no reason for anyone to make this personal, it's a matter of policy. The short of it is, we have specific forum & vendor rules and when a member violates those rules they take a calculated risk on the consequences that may result. The reason Rev. Hammer lost his privileges here is because he violated our vendor rules countless times. As a non-supporting vendor he is not permitted to participate in discussions about his products... it really is just that simple. He began posting here when he started making his CAI's and was warned, and warned, and warned, with much effort having been made on the part of staff to clean up threads, handle complaints, and fire off more warnings. It was extremely frustrating and tiresome for several months until finally he was told his choices were to sign on or leave the forums. He chose to sign on for 3 months at both our 300C and Charger boards. At that point, we even restored all the threads/posts that we had deleted as a courtesy... again time-consuming.

During his short era as a supporting vendor, things at 300C went well... chargerforums, not so much. His product and posts were not met with the same warm welcome they were here and now it was his turn to be frustrated. There were many PM complaints back and forth between him and admin about the situation and we tried to explain that it is up to the vendor to "sell" his product, we have no control over the way a vendor will be received, nor can we tell our members how to react. Long story longer... at the end of the first 3 months, in a few very inflammatory PM's insulting our members and chargerforums, he stated he would not renew at Chargerforums. It was at that time ekool told him he felt it best if he did not sponsor any of our boards any longer due to the mutual negative feelings. We extended the courtesy of allowing threads and posts created by him during his sponsorship (thru 2/14/07) to remain, even including those that were created/deleted/restored in violation before he became a vendor. We reminded him that, as a non-supporting vendor now, he must again comply with the rules.

THAT should have been the end of it...

Until we received a system alert regarding a user with multiple accounts - that user was Rev.Hammer. That account was banned before it could be used but, the possible ramifications caused us to look deeper. Upon further investigation, we found numerous posts by Rev.Hammer, in threads about his products, which, again is not allowed now that he is no longer a sponsor vendor - period. To add insult to injury, another member, wheelife, who now works for Hammer, joined in and was posting in violation of our rules as well; double-teaming. We don't know what more we could possibly have done to prevent this end result... we explained the rules and enforced them until we were blue in the face and until he finally decided to become a sponsor rather than be banned. He knew what it was that nearly cost him his account privileges before he sponsored us, and those same circumstances existed once he was no longer a sponsor. He broke the rules knowingly and enough was enough. All anyone has to do is research their posts to see what their motive was to be here - it wasn't because they have a deep abiding love of this community, there is no participation to speak of except in threads about their products. Their objective here was strictly mercenary... to build their customer base and SELL, even though they had no right to do so.

Supporting vendors pay a fee for the privilege to promote their business here. For a non-supporting vendor to do the same is disrespectful of those vendors as well as our forum policies. That happens for one of 2 reasons: ignorance (didn't know there were rules) or ignored (knows the rules and does it anyway). After many, many PM's, reminders, and warnings, it seems obvious to us, which reason was at work here.

In closing- Our rules are here (http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/announcement.php?f=4) for all to review. Please do take a moment to read the vendor rules as they pertain to you as a regular member. We want you to understand the distinction for you - You CAN discuss Hammer Motorsports all you want... there are currently over 200 threads/posts (at 300c) (100+ at charger) about that product here alone which disproves those who are trying to twist this and say this is about something it's not. No one is saying you cannot discuss those products, or ANY other non-supporting vendor's products for that matter. What we ARE saying is Hammer Motorsports employees (or any other N/S vendor) may NOT join in on those threads without benefit of a Supporting Vendor Title. Describing products, providing contact info, shipping & pricing details, answering questions... those are all promotional activities and customer service that were being conducted here in violation of our rules and with disregard for our paying vendors. In the end, only the players involved know all the details, but because this became a public issue, we felt it necessary to address 'the other side' publicly.

We hope this answers any questions about this specific situation, as well as any concerns you have as members about being able to discuss N/S vendor products among you. Share your impressions, ask and answer questions, give opinions on products out there to your heart's content, we allow it and encourage it.... As long as YOU are not that vendor, and as long as your posts don't turn into an obvious "advertisement" or shill for that vendor, like linking to their ads on another forum, or copying those ads here, for example.

As far as we are concerned, this issue is closed and no further threads need be created. If you have a lingering concern, please PM an Admin.

Thank you-