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castrol
11-21-2005, 12:05 PM
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Rising to the Challenger: Detroit auto show debut for Dodge muscle coupe concept
BOB GRITZINGER
Posted Date: 11/20/05

To all those purists who still can’t forgive Dodge for building a four-door Charger, here’s your answer: the 2006 Dodge Challenger concept. The Dodge boys released a sketch of the car to the world, but we obtained these exclusive spy photos of the car, which will premiere at the North American International Auto Show in January in Detroit.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c325/castrolsrt/challenger_drawing.jpg


Full Story (http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=103629)




castrol
11-21-2005, 12:05 PM
Yes, I have seen posts about it... I wanted it on the front page though.

a14umbra
11-21-2005, 12:05 PM
Nevermind :embarrese

castrol
11-21-2005, 12:06 PM
Nevermind :embarrese


:D

Hehe.

PaCharger
11-21-2005, 12:06 PM
and thats not a charger...it has some tall skinny letters like CHALLENGER

castrol
11-21-2005, 12:10 PM
Craaaaaaaaaap... wrong name. My bad.

PaCharger
11-21-2005, 12:12 PM
hehe, figured you didnt mean it, but there are already 2 threads started on this

06sxt06
11-21-2005, 02:42 PM
It Better Come Out In Spring... I'll Be The First One In The Dealer Ready To Trade In My Charger!!!!!!!!!!!! And This Time I Will Get The Hemi!!!!!!!!! C'mon Dodge, Don't Be P***ies And Release The Car This Spring!!!! I Beg You!!!! I Beg You!!!!! I Beg You!!!!!!

epoch
11-21-2005, 02:42 PM
Nevermind :embarrese

Ownt.

06sxt06
11-21-2005, 02:45 PM
You know what? I don't think this is a concept, I have a feeling it is a prototype. They would never, ever, ever take a concept car to the outdoors until it has been showed in an auto show. It makes no sense. This has to be a prototype. Yay!!!! Challenger for spring!!!!

a14umbra
11-21-2005, 02:47 PM
You know what? I don't think this is a concept, I have a feeling it is a prototype. They would never, ever, ever take a concept car to the outdoors until it has been showed in an auto show.


I kinda agree. (gotta stop this).

mustangsally
11-21-2005, 03:13 PM
IF... I repeat IF the Challenger is resurrected to look similar to that photo, or even some of the others floating around the internet... AND if it gets the 6.1 Hemi (maybe something with more than 425hp)...

The Mustang will end up getting traded in. If this new Challenger can duel with the 07 GT500, I'll sell my house to get one...

Anyone looking to move?

MYSTR8
11-21-2005, 03:19 PM
looks like a mid-80's firebird rearend.

Crazy_luck
11-21-2005, 03:27 PM
looks like a mid-80's firebird rearend.

Looks like a mid '70's Challenger rear end.........



You know what? I don't think this is a concept, I have a feeling it is a prototype. They would never, ever, ever take a concept car to the outdoors until it has been showed in an auto show. It makes no sense. This has to be a prototype. Yay!!!! Challenger for spring!!!!

I agree, but the question I have is, why don't they have the black masking on the front and rear of the car like every other prototype they road test?

Maybe this was someone's expensive hobby and they modified a LX car and this whole story is getting pulled outta porportion..... (just a theory)

TriShield
11-21-2005, 03:37 PM
This was the concept they were going to reveal in Detroit this January. GM has a Camaro concept for this January as well. The pony party is about to get crowded.

RapidTransit
11-21-2005, 04:01 PM
You know what? I don't think this is a concept, I have a feeling it is a prototype. They would never, ever, ever take a concept car to the outdoors until it has been showed in an auto show. It makes no sense. This has to be a prototype. Yay!!!! Challenger for spring!!!!

That would be sweet, but Motor Trend says it's a 2010 vehicle...it did take Dodge 5 years to release the Charger, right?

From Motor Trend (online version):

"2010 Dodge Challenger: Dodge will lead the cars built off the next-generation Chrysler LX platform--called LY--with a new Challenger ponycar for the 2010 model year. The Challenger will be a true Mustang-fighter, with 350-horsepower Hemi V-8 and 3.5-liter, 250-horsepower V-6 versions going up against the Mustang coupe. And given Chrysler's ambitions for its performance franchise, you can expect a 6.1-liter, 425-horse SRT version as well. The LY platform is described as an evolution of the current LX underpinnings for the Chrysler 300 and Dodge Magnum and Charger."

a14umbra
11-21-2005, 04:08 PM
This was the concept they were going to reveal in Detroit this January. GM has a Camaro concept for this January as well. The pony party is about to get crowded.


We need a 2008 GN :wink:

a14umbra
11-21-2005, 04:35 PM
I noticed something interesting on this car. You gotta look really close. I zoomed in to help.

http://www.dotany.com/img/challenger.jpg

HIGH_HEMI
11-21-2005, 04:45 PM
ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

aarcuda
11-21-2005, 05:03 PM
My wife will NEVER let me buy this now that I got the Charger :mad: !
It better be a 2010 model, I might have a chance then if she gets her hot rod Jeep Wrangler before then. Either that or she will say the Challenger is hers.

Inferno Red
11-21-2005, 07:03 PM
Even if I'd had a choice between it and the Charger, I'd stay with the Charger. I like a few angular lines in cars, and they make the Charger distinctive. The Challenger looks more rounded, and to me, a bit more generic. Still wouldn't kick it out of bed for eating crackers, though.

Bentho
11-21-2005, 07:28 PM
That looks Nice! But buy the time it's made if ever it won't look anything like it.

06sxt06
11-21-2005, 08:17 PM
Check back with Motor Trend... they completely missed the boat with the Charger. Almost nobody had no clue until Dodge released the media drawings, same as they just did with the Challenger. Motor Trend is not very accurate. Remember the C5 Corvette? They initially stated there was not going to be a 97 model, that the C5 would come out in '98.

I don't think it is somebody's expensive hobby. I mean, how many times have you seen a "concept" spied upon on the outdoors? There is something weird going on and we will find out in January.

No Moa
11-21-2005, 08:33 PM
looks nice, but i think the charger is much better, i do like the idea of the 6 speed with the pistol grip shifter they state the challenger will have.

Notaf4nboiE
11-21-2005, 09:41 PM
IF... I repeat IF the Challenger is resurrected to look similar to that photo, or even some of the others floating around the internet... AND if it gets the 6.1 Hemi (maybe something with more than 425hp)...

The Mustang will end up getting traded in. If this new Challenger can duel with the 07 GT500, I'll sell my house to get one...

Anyone looking to move?


Need extra money?!

DrDeath
11-21-2005, 09:51 PM
Should I replace my Skylark with a Challenger ragtop?
Its got me thinking.
http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1848

hey11101
11-21-2005, 10:52 PM
wow I like it. I wonder how it will compare to new camero? either way they need to produce this car as soon as possible cause I want one.

Notaf4nboiE
11-21-2005, 11:09 PM
Should I replace my Skylark with a Challenger ragtop?
Its got me thinking.
http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1848


NO! Have it your way with both. :happy:

I really do think a convertablie would look sweet with that body.

I'd mount her quickly...

:whistle:

whiteman
11-22-2005, 10:19 AM
thats badass, if the camaro doesn't come back i know what i'm getting

JohnnyG
11-23-2005, 08:36 AM
IF... I repeat IF the Challenger is resurrected to look similar to that photo, or even some of the others floating around the internet... AND if it gets the 6.1 Hemi (maybe something with more than 425hp)...

The Mustang will end up getting traded in. If this new Challenger can duel with the 07 GT500, I'll sell my house to get one...

Anyone looking to move?
I totally agree!! This will be one hott hott looking 2 dr. muscle car with the retro looks that we all have been waiting for,and if it can compete with the new ShelbyGT-500,I will also sell my house and be standing first in line to get one of these bad boys!! I love the big azz duals out the back,not to mention the rear end,and for that matter the whole car! Awesome!!! Please DCX,Don't screw this up,make it retro with pistol grip and a srt-8 hemi motor and it will sell bigtime!! I picture a big hood scoop on the srt-8 version! I can't wait and I hope its true!! :happy:

HemiChemi
11-24-2005, 10:48 AM
My bet is that the "2010" date is part of DCX's FUD campaign. I'd guess we'll see it no later than as an '07.

MoparG
11-25-2005, 07:59 AM
dodgechallenger.com is taken as is dodgechallenger.net

challengerforums.com is gone to but challengerforums.net is available

this info available from www.whois.com (http://www.whois.com/)

when you enter the site, later click on the WHO IS link on the bottom.

enjoy

time to start a new forum

RobertKing1
12-01-2005, 05:48 PM
:) My wife has given permission to have this car inthe garage with charger. Lucky me!!

No Moa
12-06-2005, 10:54 AM
My local dealer was talking about this new Challenger, he told me its possible it will be a hand built car, and only 2k will be built for the first year. And it will be closer to 500hp. from his sources anyway.

HemiChemi
12-06-2005, 11:01 AM
My local dealer was talking about this new Challenger, he told me its possible it will be a hand built car, and only 2k will be built for the first year. And it will be closer to 500hp. from his sources anyway. I'd say there goes hopes for it being $28k... if this' true.

GLHS837
12-06-2005, 11:03 AM
Hes smoking dope. Hell, a lot of them dont have accurate info on whats in the showroom now, let alone a model two years down the road.

HemiChemi
12-06-2005, 11:08 AM
Hes smoking dope. Hell, a lot of them dont have accurate info on whats in the showroom now, let alone a model two years down the road.I concur. I think what DCX wants/needs is a "Mustang Killer", something they can sell in BIG quantities. A low production "boutique" car isn't the answer to that. Make a sporty retro non-chick-car coupe with a Hemi for $28k and it'll sell... big.

TurboAWD
12-06-2005, 11:42 AM
Oh yea...Now lets see a comercial with "Deputy Dodge" and a plum crazy challenger to make sure of it!

Raxstone
12-06-2005, 12:13 PM
Was just thinking that Dodge should do a 40th anniversary edition in 2010. Start with the base SRT8 Challenger, but swap in a 392 Hemi (or whatever their big gun is in 2010). Give 3 color choices, Purple, Orange or Lime with some retro trim cues like the T/A had.

RonRacer
12-06-2005, 02:09 PM
To be honest guys :embarrese ive always thought of the challenger as the ugly step-brother to the charger that was drop to go after fords step child the cougar. even w/this concept i think the charger still looks better

mustangsally
12-06-2005, 04:06 PM
Was just thinking that Dodge should do a 40th anniversary edition in 2010. Start with the base SRT8 Challenger, but swap in a 392 Hemi (or whatever their big gun is in 2010). Give 3 color choices, Purple, Orange or Lime with some retro trim cues like the T/A had.

You loco?!?! That car would cost mucho pesos, homes. Let Dodge drop the 6.4 into the 07/08 Challenger SRT8 and be done with it. Produce in numbers high enough to keep the price down so I can get one.

My 2cents. Self serving, but I "ain't got no pride left".

Inferno Red
12-06-2005, 04:40 PM
To be honest guys :embarrese ive always thought of the challenger as the ugly step-brother to the charger that was drop to go after fords step child the cougar. even w/this concept i think the charger still looks better

+1

No Moa
12-06-2005, 04:59 PM
Hes smoking dope. Hell, a lot of them dont have accurate info on whats in the showroom now, let alone a model two years down the road.

well i'll say one thing about this, he is a car guy, ownes 2 dealerships, and is pretty straight forward. I'm sure this info is not correct, but he stated it was what he was told, i take that with a grain of salt. We have bought several cars off him, and has always been straight up and honest. And my wife runs a car dealership, i would buy one from him, before her!!!! :)

arfur
12-06-2005, 07:03 PM
+1

+2

Raxstone
12-06-2005, 09:14 PM
You loco?!?! That car would cost mucho pesos, homes. Let Dodge drop the 6.4 into the 07/08 Challenger SRT8 and be done with it. Produce in numbers high enough to keep the price down so I can get one.

My 2cents. Self serving, but I "ain't got no pride left".

Of course it would cost a lot. That is the point of a limited, anniversary edition. What, you didn't notice Ford do the same thing with their S/C'd Mustang Cobra? They still have the GT for people who don't want to dole out cash for the Cobra. Dodge would still have the SRT8 or R/T for those that don't want to pay for the 6.4L.

RonRacer
12-07-2005, 09:17 AM
Of course it would cost a lot. That is the point of a limited, anniversary edition. What, you didn't notice Ford do the same thing with their S/C'd Mustang Cobra? They still have the GT for people who don't want to dole out cash for the Cobra. Dodge would still have the SRT8 or R/T for those that don't want to pay for the 6.4L.
But like i said for the gomango SRT charger " i like dodge but i'm not paying more than 60 for a car thats not under supercar status". so this challenger srt better be around 45.

mustangsally
12-07-2005, 11:25 AM
My stance on the whole limited edition thing is that whatever Dodge does with the Challenger, the SRT8 version MUST outperform the upcoming (and coming soon) Cobra GT500. Otherwise, why make a car that is inferior, out of the box?!?! If I'm going to pay $40,000+ for a car, it best beat its competition. The Charger SRT8 WOULD beat its competition, but it really doesn't have any, except the GTO.

The GT500 will have a reported "at least 450 hp". Figure anywhere from 475-500 to be safe. The Challenger and the GT500 will weigh just about the same. So, if you dump the 6.1 in the Challenger, its automatically under powered compared to its ONLY competition (the GT500). Then, when Chevy unveils the new Camaro... they'll match and/or beat the GT500's power output and weight.

Now, the Challenger is behind two 8balls... within a short period of time.

Of course, this is going by factory ratings.

My opinion: go ahead and create a Limited Edition Challenger... use the classic colors (Plum Crazy, GoMango, etc.), use some special badging, different wheels, interior accents, etc. But maintain a consistent powerplant, otherwise, like I said, its beat before its even produced.

Ford thought ahead and produced a car in the GT500 that's WAY AHEAD of other muscle cars in power (50+ hp) from the factory, thus improving its weight/power ratio, improving performance.

As with anything in life, you don't want to start off in a compromising position and try to play catch-up later on.

I'd pay a couple extra grand for the 6.4 in the SRT8. I'd consider paying a couple more for the "Limited Edition" one I described.

No Moa
12-07-2005, 11:34 AM
I don't believe the new Camaro will come true, not anytime soon anyway.

Nothing GM has i can see will run with the GT 500 or the new Challenger...

I do like the new Impalla ss, nice little V-8 but its FWD. 0-60 in 5.8 seconds.

Raxstone
12-07-2005, 12:04 PM
My stance on the whole limited edition thing is that whatever Dodge does with the Challenger, the SRT8 version MUST outperform the upcoming (and coming soon) Cobra GT500. Otherwise, why make a car that is inferior, out of the box?!?! If I'm going to pay $40,000+ for a car, it best beat its competition. The Charger SRT8 WOULD beat its competition, but it really doesn't have any, except the GTO.


Keep in mind that the GT500 isn't a normal Mustang, it's basically a limited edition itself. If you think you can get a GT500 for $40k, then you are fooling yourself.

Dodge could easily pack the 6.4L in an equally limited and closely priced package to the GT500. The two cars should be quite similar in performance, the power edge going to the Challenger. Do not expect the SRT8 to compare with the GT500. Dodge has set a standard of putting the 6.1 in the SRT8's, and I doubt that will change. That doesn't mean that the SRT8 will remain their 'top dog' though. I expect the SRT8 to fall into the category of just another trim level (a'la SS for GM).

RonRacer
12-07-2005, 02:23 PM
I don't believe the new Camaro will come true, not anytime soon anyway. I'm a GM guy as is my dad, but other than the new Impala SS (going to drive a new one today) nothing i can see will make any run at the GT500 or the New Challenger...
wait a second...maybe my reading comperhension is off do you think the new IMPALA SS can take on a GT500 or the new challenger????!!!! or are you saying the GT500 and challenger will run over the impala ss?

RonRacer
12-07-2005, 02:28 PM
wait a second...maybe my reading comperhension is off do you think the new IMPALA SS can take on a GT500 or the new challenger????!!!! or are you saying the GT500 and challenger will run over the impala ss?
as a matter of a fact nothing on any GM production line can run over anything{including roadkill}! and i swaer if anyone in here say any thing about a vette ...

No Moa
12-07-2005, 02:35 PM
Sorry, i was not paying attention, i got info on the new Impala ss from the local Chev dealer, and he told me to come drive it tonight.

arfur
12-07-2005, 02:35 PM
as a matter of a fact nothing on any GM production line can run over anything{including roadkill}! and i swaer if anyone in here say any thing about a vette ...

VETTE.....VETTE......VETTE.....VETTE......

So Kewl they kick puppy dogs! :wink:

:whistle: :happy:

JohnnyG
12-07-2005, 03:21 PM
"Wrap yo ass in fiberglass"! Although its a nice car(new vette) But....No thanks. After seeing the pre-pics of the retro hemi challenger,I will take the optional(wishful thinking) 6.4L (392) Hemi,pistol-grip manual shiftin' ...Get-The-Hell-Out-of-My-Way....Challenger srt-8. Heck, I might even be able to get 2 of them for the price of one z06. :happy: I have a feeling this new real retro hemi challenger will be the coolest looking muscle car in the already over-whelming DCX arsenal. Yea Baby!....were do I sign! :clap:

mustangsally
12-07-2005, 03:34 PM
Keep in mind that the GT500 isn't a normal Mustang, it's basically a limited edition itself. If you think you can get a GT500 for $40k, then you are fooling yourself.

Dodge could easily pack the 6.4L in an equally limited and closely priced package to the GT500. The two cars should be quite similar in performance, the power edge going to the Challenger. Do not expect the SRT8 to compare with the GT500. Dodge has set a standard of putting the 6.1 in the SRT8's, and I doubt that will change. That doesn't mean that the SRT8 will remain their 'top dog' though. I expect the SRT8 to fall into the category of just another trim level (a'la SS for GM).

If this is the case, then the 5.7 with 350 hp would be sufficient to defeat or at least match the competition (Mustang GT, and the GTO, if the Challenger is light enough). So there'd be "no place" for the 6.1. in a Challenger, as the 5.7 could defeat the GT/GTO, while the 6.1 couldn't defeat the GT500. Get what I'm saying?!?! Why go deer hunting with an elephant gun... and why go elephant hunting with a deer gun...

Use the 5.7 in 'base' RT models, the 6.4 in the SRT8. Its roughly comparable to what Ford uses (4.6 @ 300hp in the GT, 4.6 @475/500 in the GT500). Then, start plugging the 6.4 in the Charger... and the 6.1 in the Caliber! :monster:

JohnnyG
12-07-2005, 04:20 PM
First,the shelby gt-500 has a 5.4L around 500 Hp and price is said to be just under $40k(excluding greedy dealers mark-ups),and the challenger srt-8 with an optional(if they do it) 6.4L hemi with 500+ hp would indeed be in direct competition with each other. I just hope it comes true like that. Man even if they would make a very limited amount of a 6.4L hemi's as a option of the challenger,I am in!!! I know you'll be able to get it in the mopar aftermarket,but by the time you bought the motor and dropped it into whatever DCX vehicle, including labor,it would be too much $ for me,plus I really love the way the new challenger looks....AWESOME!.Actually,I can't wait when I go to NAIAS show in next month to see both cars together.....I think I'll be in new retro muscle-car HP heaven. :happy:

mustangsally
12-07-2005, 06:14 PM
My bad on the 5.4/4.6 thing.

But here's another idea.

Hurst shifters on the Challenger. Toss that into your debate salad... maybe sprinkle in a little shift kit action as well, just to kick it up a notch...

BAM!

mustangsally
12-07-2005, 06:15 PM
20" wheels

BAM!

mustangsally
12-07-2005, 06:16 PM
Exterior/interior color-coordinated stitching inside, with embroidered "Challenger R/T... SRT8" on head rests...

BAM!

mustangsally
12-07-2005, 06:23 PM
And the coup de gras... (sp?)...

_________________ (you fill in the blank, I've already added the "BAMs")

BAM!
BAM!
BAM!

JohnnyG
12-07-2005, 09:25 PM
SOLD!!!!!!!!! :happy: Got to have the pistol-grip shifter though!! :wink:

RonRacer
12-08-2005, 07:55 AM
Sorry, i was not paying attention, i got info on the new Impala ss from the local Chev dealer, and he told me to come drive it tonight.
oh :neutral: ok. its ok guys he did know better :redface:

No Moa
12-08-2005, 07:58 AM
lol, ya i did, sometimes i type faster than my brain can react!

JohnnyG
02-18-2006, 10:55 AM
And the coup de gras... (sp?)...

_________________ (you fill in the blank, I've already added the "BAMs")

BAM!
BAM!
BAM!Sounds like alot of BAM!-BAM! from The Flintstones!

canadiancharger
05-10-2006, 07:17 PM
For me its ok I guess.

I think they went a little overboard with the retro theme.

Our Chargers are soooo much more appealing to the eyes.

rbaroncpd
05-16-2006, 10:41 AM
They look ppretty good to me.

Can't wait to see them in person.