Police Pursuit Chargers?

[castrol]

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Dodge Charger pursues high-speed police market; vehicle production advantages touted
RICK KRANZ | Automotive News
Posted Date: 5/26/05

Dodge says it can fill orders for 2006 Charger police cars quickly because the vehicles can be built one at a time rather than in batches.

Depending on price, that assembly method could give Dodge a sales edge. Production begins in the fourth quarter.

"We won't build the cars in batch form," said Craig Love, vice president of Chrysler's rear-wheel-drive product team. That's because police versions will not differ significantly from upscale Chargers.

Full Story (http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=102447)

[MoparG]

Well August is when the police cars are to start production.

here's the new Charger squad brouchure from Fleet; scroll down to the last 2 pics and click on each. There is an enlarge feature below (says something like download orignal picture)

public.fotki.com/copcardo...ure/dodge/ (http://public.fotki.com/copcardotcom/vehicle_manufacture/dodge/)

Here's a pre-production Charger squad in Maryland:

www.copcar.com/month.htm (http://www.copcar.com/month.htm)

It will be nice to see the new dog-dish

So the column shifter will have AutoStick toggle control and I bet it will be UP and DOWN in the direction I'm used to like my 94 Impala SS and 75 and 78 Dodge B-bodies (not to mention my poor 78 Malibu which was destroyed in 1998). I wonder how tough it will be to adapt this system to an R/T or SRT8 becuase I like the UP DOWN instead ofLEFT RIGHT.

PS why can I not start a new Thread from the forum index, I had to find an old thread to reply too; it says I don't have permission...

[GLHS837]

Becuase those threads are the ones that are in the center when you pull up the main page, only Admins can start those.

[MoparG]

I did not no this. So I can start a new thread in GENERAL DISCUSSION but not DODGE CHARGER NEWS. I guess I thought since August police build was news I would put it there.

I could have sworn I used to be able to start threads in the NEWS section or was that back in 2004/2003.

[GLHS837]

Or point the link out specifically to an admin and ask them to do it.

[hopster]

Department of Public Safety (DPS), Texas, is in receipt of or already has twenty Charger units for testing purposes. Don't exactly know how they're equipped. Daytona owners beware. :eek:

[MoparG]

These Chargers may see their first severe duty applications in Hurricane Rita operations.

[manpower flying squad]

I have heard that over 10,000 orders for the Dodge Charger AHB Pursuits/Interceptors have been received. Michigan State Police should be done with their tests and next month the Los Angeles Police Dept/ Los Angeles County Sheriff and the California Highway Patrol will be testing these cars soon. Will not be surprised that the CHP will pick the Dodge Charger Hemi AHB Interceptors over the Ford Crown Victoria for their new battlecruisers. I highly suspect that the Charger AHB HEMI will be the fastest four door sedan ever built, passing the 1969 Dodge Polara A38 Interceptor with a 440 Magnum 4bbl 375 hp 480 ft pds of torque that did 147 mph in the Chrysler Proving Grounds in Chelsea Michigan. (yes, that 4700lb squad with disc/drum brakes and aerodynamics of a cinder block!)

[manpower flying squad]

Let me clarify my statement above: AHB is a police package code used for years in the Chrysler camp now. A38 is the old code for police package before 1981. Dodge Charger Pursuit is the 3.5 liter V6 with 250 hp - 250 ft pds of torque. Dodge Charger Interceptor is the HEMI 5.7 liter with 350 hp 390 ft pds of torque. Unlike the Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor that is chipped no higher that 130mph, the Charger AHB should hit 150 plus.

[manpower flying squad]

Oh by the way, don't be surprised that some of the troopers/police officers driving the Crown Victorias/ Impalas have a bumper sticker saying "MY NEXT POLICE CAR IS GONNA HAVE A HEMI!"

[RT1]

Pulled onto hwy 101 in Northern Cal. yesterday at a good clip and looked in my rearview and saw a black and white CHP coming up fast, As it got closer I realized it was a Charger. 2 troopers in the front seat with smiles on their faces as they came up on my rear. Those things look intimidating, not to be messed with.

[Dr. SRT]

Am I the only person that is pissed that the gov. gets enough spending money to spend it on that

and that is the miniscule trickle......it probably took millions of dollars to politicians in your state to get that done............most of it wasted on bureaucratic gov. organization

i hate my state-----hopefully others are smarter

[GLHS837]

Manpower, care to tel us more about yourself? You sound like either a gearhead police officer or a cop car aficinado who has jumped the Charger wagon:) ahead of the flood I'm sure we'll see once this thng hits the streets.

In either case, welcome, you appear to know your stuff.

Doc? Do I know you from the SRTforums? And BTW, not to turn this into a political thing, but exactly what do you mean? Spend it on what? Testing police cars? Or those two troopers?

[manpower flying squad]

Yep, a confirmed police car nut. Here is the impressive part about the AHB Charger. The Charger have pulled more orders than the Intrepid which had a flaming brake problem for two of the three years tested at Los Angeles. (over 10,000 orders vs. approx. 5000 Intrepids built in 3 years). To compare this cruise missile to the P71 Crown Vic or the 9C1 Impala is comparing apples to oranges. To get a proper perspective to this new squad is to compare it to the Chevrolet Camaro Severe Service Package last built in 2002. Me thinks that this AHB Charger will outhandle, outbrake, and outaccerate every police package car, special service package SUV tested before and now tested to this point. I have heard that Dodge has tested the AHB Charger Hemi without the speed limiter and has reported that this car flew over 163mph plus with Z rated tires. But it will be chipped at 150mph because the county and state budgets have a cost ceiling of not paying tires that is over V rated (149 mph). But the 163mph squads will probably go to the Federal Government (try to purchase this car after 5 years at the auction). Here is my take: The Dodge Charger will make inroads with County and State Governments but will not be like the 60s, 70s and 80s, when you get the best performance and lowest bid price was Chrysler. The lowest bid price will be the P71 Crown Victoria. Why? The Crown Victoria has amoritized its stampings and construction long time ago. The redesigned 2006 Chevrolet Impala 9C1 with the new 3.9 liter motor has come out, will be second after the Crown Victoria. Stay tuned for more!

[manpower flying squad]

Dr SRT, testing is very important. Any car manuafacturer can claim that they make a police package car, but to back it up , testing must be used to affirm or disprove the claim. The Michigan State Police (MSP) tests for top speed, braking and handling. Here is an example: Brake Test: Brake Heat-Up:
Phase 1: Two 90-0 decelerations @22ft.sec squared. Six 60-0 impending skid (abs) maximum deceleration rate stops) A 4 MINUTE HEAT SOAK (rememeber this is in rapid sucession!) Phase 2 Brake Heat-Up: Two 90-0 mph decelerations @22 ft.sec squared then another Six 60-0 impending skid (abs) maimum deceleration rate stops. Then they average the braking rate and give results: any severe brake fading, Vehicle stopped in straight line, and Vehicle stopped within correct lane. and to be under 160 ft. (police package car standard) The MSP test is brutal to be sure, but the West coast guys (LAPD, LASD and CHP) even more so tests for temperture rise in the coolant, transmission, oil and brakes using temperture probes plus the handling, gas mileage and accesability to fix underhood parts. The CHP takes the car and run the car for 25 miles at over 120 mph to see if the engine and transmission stay in one piece. Why they do that, you ask? Liability is one of the answers. A police officer is using his squad to respond to calls and the chances of that officer getting hurt more in accidents is even more so than the officer using his gun. Plus, if you had a really dumb city manager buying non-police package cars at full price and the car reaches 20,000 to 30,000 miles and began to fall apart, overheat, or brakes failing at the wrong time, at 6 months, you have a very big problem. Ask Baltimore PD about the civilian Taurus in the 90's The tests is published and can be mailed or e-mailed to any municipality to find the car they need. You want good gas mileage, OK Chevrolet Impala 9C1, Rear drive with proven components - Crown Victoria - Fast 60 to 130 mph catch times with decent gas mileage (26 mpg) on the highway, Hemi Charger . In other words to find the best car for the job. No more no less. And at the same time, the manufacturer get feedback from the testers to improve the cars. For example: Pre-2003 Ford Crown Victorias have a nasty habit of oversteering extremely quick at the handling limit. The testers ask for improvements and Ford replied by moving the shock absorbers outside of the frame rails, next to the tires and add a panhard rod to minimize axle shift at the limit. That is why testing may cost a little money, but paying out comprehesive and liability damages is even more so. Now I get off my soap box thank you.

[MoparG]

Manpower:

I wonder why DaimlerChrysler didn't opt to use the old "Pursuit" name for their new cruiser (the 78 Monacos were called Pursuit as well as the A38 code). Perhaps it's because GM of Canada uses the name in a Chevrolet cobalt (http://www.cobaltss.com) 4dr twin.

You mention the 69 Polara 440 (which has been the benchmark car that all others have been judged over the decades). I believe the 94 Caprice 9C1 with the 5.7 came very close to that benchmark (the 95s and 96s were essentially identical) and the car before the 94 that was anywhere near close to the 69 was the 78 Monaco/Fury Pursuits.

You also mention that the new Charger is more like the Camaro special service car vs the Caprice/Impala 9C1. I'd say that's true, for the most part, as I owned a 95 Camaro Z28 with 3.23:1 posi rears/auto. I have also owned since new a 94 Impala SS (essentially a Caprice 9C1) auto with 3.08 posi and that car screams unmodified on the highway and mine does 0-96mph in 6.0s flat on a good day (and I have that good day captured on video on a crisp evening on a December filming, while driving, the digital display. It will do 6.5 on any day. This car was very fast off the line and on the highway at 4200lbs and only 260hp and 330lbs-ft of torque. The Charger R/T with the Perf Pack (Daytona power and suspension) was pretty darn good but not that much different than my Impala on the highway.

The acceleration felt closer to the Camaro, however, the Charger weighs in at 4100lbs and has 350hp and 390lbs-ft of torque. This tells me that the Charger should be MUCH faster off the line vs my Impala and it's not which tells me that if DaimlerChrysler's traction control circuits/ESP circuits can be defeated 100% and a limited slip axle added, more power to the ground managed properly will yield an acceleration time around 5.5s (to compare a 3400lb Camaro with 275hp/325lbs-ft did 0-96 in 5.8).

The Charger R/T is rated at 6.0s 0-96 (mind you Car and Driver got low 5s in one of their "banzai" car tests in a 5.7 Chrysler 300C last year but after how many tries; the car needs limited slip surely).

[manpower flying squad]

Mopar G,

The Dodge division has not annointed the Charger a subname (Pursuit or Interceptor) as this time. However, the performance numbers I have gathered, calling the the Charger a Pursuit or Interceptor is to denote a class of Police Packages: 1. Patrol 2. Pursuit/Interceptor 3.Surveillance 4. Undercover 5. Taxi 6. Service.
But then again, I wish that Dodge did do the deed because the Crown Vic is awfully slow for the 4.6 liter engine with 250 horsepower and that is not an Pursuit or Interceptor as Ford has named after its Panther chassis. Here is the numbers for the 1994-95-96 9C1 Caprices:

1994 0-60 8.30 seconds
0-100 21.64 seconds
Top Speed: 141.2 mph
Quarter Mile: 16:18 seconds 86.8 mph


1995 0-60 7.53 seconds
0-100 22.43 seconds
Top Speed: 135 mph
Quarter Mile: 15.87 seconds 89.8 mph


1996 0-60 7.91 seconds
0-100 21.41 seconds
Top Speed 139 mph
Quarter Mile 16.14 seconds 88.0 mph


Let's compare the 1977/78 B-bodies Dodge Monaco/Plymouth Fury to the above stats:


1977 Dodge Monaco E86 440 4bbl 245hp 350lbs of torque


0-60 8.1 seconds
0-100 24.3 seconds
Top Speed: 126 mph
Quarter Mile: 16.3 seconds 88.2 mph



1978 Plymouth Fury E-86 440 4bbl 225hp 360lbs of torque

0-60 9.2 seconds
0-100 24.8 seconds
Top Speed: 132.7 mph
Quarter Mile: not listed

Both cars with the 2.71 gear ratio - It has been said that a 3.21 gears were used, it would get up quicker without losing top speed listed above.


But wait a minute here, these times are slow compared to the time I got from my personal car. Yes, the Michigan State Police test all cars with two people on board with approximately 300 lbs of equipment, like on the street. All these cars have no lightbar, spotlights or push bumpers on there because to make it fair. (slick top) If you add a lightbar on it, you lose 5 to 8 mile per hour top speed, single or dual spotlights, 1 to 4 mph or push bumpers an additional 2-5 mph. Unfortunatly I do not have the times of the Camaro Severe Service Package numbers to compare with the Charger AHB at this time. I shall dig some more .

[MoparG]

http://www.ryanpatrickdean.com/ChargerPolice.html

great site

[Raxstone]

Manpower:

I have also owned since new a 94 Impala SS (essentially a Caprice 9C1) auto with 3.08 posi and that car screams unmodified on the highway and mine does 0-96mph in 6.0s flat on a good day (and I have that good day captured on video on a crisp evening on a December filming, while driving, the digital display. It will do 6.5 on any day. This car was very fast off the line and on the highway at 4200lbs and only 260hp and 330lbs-ft of torque. The Charger R/T with the Perf Pack (Daytona power and suspension) was pretty darn good but not that much different than my Impala on the highway.

The acceleration felt closer to the Camaro, however, the Charger weighs in at 4100lbs and has 350hp and 390lbs-ft of torque. This tells me that the Charger should be MUCH faster off the line vs my Impala and it's not which tells me that if DaimlerChrysler's traction control circuits/ESP circuits can be defeated 100% and a limited slip axle added, more power to the ground managed properly will yield an acceleration time around 5.5s (to compare a 3400lb Camaro with 275hp/325lbs-ft did 0-96 in 5.8).

The Charger R/T is rated at 6.0s 0-96 (mind you Car and Driver got low 5s in one of their "banzai" car tests in a 5.7 Chrysler 300C last year but after how many tries; the car needs limited slip surely).

I certainly hope you realize the typo you made (repeatedly). There is no way that those cars are running those 0-96mph times. Those are the 0-60mph times that are posted all over the place. Maybe you meant 0-96kph?

[MoparG]

yes, I meant 0-96kph (0-60mph).

[MoparG]

Here's some more data on the Charger AHB:

http://www.allpar.com/squads/police-cars/charger.html

[MCaesar]

Great stuff guys

I would imagine that the state troopers would want the hemi Charger more since they do more high speed work and the extra power is extremely important hauling someone down from 100mph.

In the city the V6 will work fine but I wonder if it makes much sense for city squads to switch over. They will save a little gas versus the Crown Vic but they lose a lot of room in the Charger with the low roofline versus the box of the Vic.

Plus they probably have tons of spare CV parts laying around.

[manpower flying squad]

MCaesar,


You're definitely correct on the State Police/Highway Patrol usage - actually 60 to 120 mph catch times for traffic enforcement and the adage "the best pursuit is no pursuit and a small pursuit is better then a long pursuit." Imagine this: A jet black Dodge Charger AHB slick top with a black spotlight on the A-pillar, black pushbar (ala California Highway Patrol) with strobes/ Led mounted on it with back deck strobes/led going off with headlight wig wags going down an highway on-ramp at almost 90 mph, and zipping and zagging thru traffic like OJ Simpson in the old Hertz commercials. Kinda make you pause a little, doesn't it? (the car not OJ). Also you will see more V/6 Chargers in a lot more towns/cities because of the class action lawsuit filed against Ford Motor Corp, due to exploding gas tanks after a huge hit (over 70 mph). The municipilities settled the lawsuit, by taking the payment doled out by the courts, decided that hey, we won the case, lets buy more P71 Crown Victorias! Ford put a halt to that quickly, saying if you sue us, why should we sell you the Crown Victorias? Ok, if you want a Ford product, you must purchase the Special Service Explorer or Expedition. However, the SUVs are not pursuit rated, (high center of gravity, so so brakes, and handling) because they are used as Canine units and Sergeants/Commanders/Crime Scene Investigators, other towns will not go front drive (Chevrolet Impala 9C1 or pay big bucks (Chevrolet Tahoe 9C1 Police Pursuit) the Dodge Charger AHB V/6 and Hemi will make some inroads in some municipalities.

[Nanook]

Police Charger's http://ufish.invisionzone.com/style_emoticons/default/vu.gif

Remember now kids, ALWAYS just pull over immediately and say "Yes kind Officer? http://ufish.invisionzone.com/style_emoticons/default/redface.gif."

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[GLHS837]

Hey, manpower, have you caught either of the threads where I posted up the article the makes point of explaining how the LX cars have been designed to comply with an upcoming offset 50 offset rear crash? Seems the spare tire well is so designed that the spare folds upright, protecting the gas tank. Pretty slick

[manpower flying squad]

GLHS837,


No I did not. But to be fair, the Ford Crown Victoria has been put in a position as the best selling rear drive police package car, the criticism have been unwarranted in my opinion. I have never read or seen any vehicle that is rated to take a rear end collision at 70 -75 mph but, the Crown Vic has to be engineered to take that huge hit. Ford has taken unprecedented steps to ensure officer/driver safety by putting/installing kevlar lined cases built by other suppliers, covers with binnicles and explicit written/pictures with instructions to place sharp objects upwards toward the trunklid not aiming at the fuel tank. The spare tires in most marked/unmarked Crown Victorias is mounted on top of a aluminum shelf, which on the bottom carries the communications equipment/computer/etc. During the impact, the spare does not protect the tank as designed. I have seen Illinois State Police squads get punched on the back upwards of 60-70 miles a hour with rear bumper practically on top of the rear tires and survive not to catch on fire. So the design is pretty sound with the spare protecting or not protecting. Although the car is pretty totalled.............

[GLHS837]

http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/040402.html

There you go. I've never thougt the CV was a bad police car, except of course for the speed, but I'm obsessive that way:)

[manpower flying squad]

Then again please direct me to the article so I can take a look. A LX/Charger taking a 50mph hit in the rear is pretty extreme. Not a pretty sight IMHO. Kind to make me wonder if the doors could open after the impact. Reminds me of a story that was told to me 20 years ago. I was in the Air Force a while back at Grissom AFB Indiana and ran into a 10 year veteran of the Indiana State Police who was driving at that time, a 1987 Chevrolet Impala. I asked him about the squad and he was glowing with praise. The Impala is a full frame car, faster, more room, heavier ect. So I decided to ask about the Dodge Diplomat that he used to drive. His face turned into stone and told me that he was on US 30 on the right shoulder, on a traffic stop, after letting a speeder go, he was punched in the back by a car doing close to 60 mph. The Diplomat rear crumpled, but the worst part was that the floor board in the rear blew the welds/seams and about 20 gallons of fuel was filling up fast in the passenger compartment with the radio/emergency equipment sparking. Needless to say, he bailed out of the car via the driver's side window and the calvery came to the rescue.

[GLHS837]

http://www.safercar.gov/NCAP/Cars/3425.html

Charger crash test numbers, no rear impact stuff, since the NHTSA does not yet test that.

CV info,

http://www.safercar.gov/NCAP/Cars/3482.html

[manpower flying squad]

GLHS837,

Saw the articles, very impressed. About the prevous thread about the top speed of the Crown Victorias, a few years back I saw a 32 valve 4.6 litre engine from a Mercury Maruader, installed into a P71 Crown Victoria tweaked for max performance and durability and tested on the Chrysler Chelsea track in Michigan. That sucker flew by me at almost 146mph and the 0-60 times were pretty impressive. Blew the 1994 9C1 Chevrolet Caprice (the crown standard at that time) into the weeds. The spectators were surprised and wondered if the motor would be used in police packages, but was told that it was expensive and may not last as long as the regular aspired 4.6 engine. Imagine if it was released and you guys get pulled over by one! I know, not funny. Keep a watchful eye on Ford.... The 3 valve 4.6 Romeo motor, while not as powerful as the 5.7 Hemi, will make things a little interesting down the road.........

[manpower flying squad]

Mopar G,

Here is the numbers: 2006 Michigan State Police squad test and the 2003 Chevrolet Camaro Special Service Package 5.7 automatic comparisions:


Sec: Charger V/6 Charger Hemi Ford Police Chevy Impala 03 Camaro

0-20 1.99 1.58 1.89 1.97 1.57

0-30 3.37 2.56 3.21 3.29 2.42

0-40 4.82 3.57 4.66 4.64 3.29

0-50 6.61 5.01 6.62 6.29 4.34

0-60 8.90 6.52 8.93 8.83 5.69

0-70 11.56 8.23 11.42 11.50 7.10

0-80 14.59 10.76 14.43 14.28 8.75

0-90 19.06 13.33 18.80 17.70 10.94

0-100 24.55 16.24 24.12 23.58 13.48

Top Speed: 135 150 130 142 159


Braking in ft: 130 131 143 142 141

The numbers are pretty impressive - comparing the AHB Charger Hemi to the 2003 Special Service Camaro V/8 LS1. Yes, the Camaro does beat the Hemi, but the Hemi takes it back on braking. Here is the whole picture: The Camaro is a three season car with limited room for storage, get hung up on medians, does not go limited off-road, is treacherous in the rain and special training and instruction to drive the Camaro. The AHB Charger does not have this handicap plus you can put a prisoner in the back seat. Try do that to the Camaro, and you will have a brutality charge lodged against you. Plus you have to call a additional unit with a back seat, causing the deployment of officers in the area to be short. The Impala could do better on braking but the info I got was that GM switched ABS computer systems and it was still being worked on. The P71 Crown Victoria has switched 17 inch wheels from the 16 inch and is slowing around the track compared to last year. The Impala is now fast enough to over take the Crown Victoria and the 1994 Chevrolet Caprice 9C1 LT1 in time and speed. Definitely interesting times we have here in the police package sweepstakes......

[MCaesar]

Pre 2003 CVs had weak frames, particularly in the front end.

All CVs are underpowered. The 32 valve motor is similar in cost to the 6.1 hemi yet not nearly as powerful. Ford has a fundamental problem of trying to compete with a small, weak V8 (compared to the hemi).

It is also saddled with a suspension design inferior to the LX cars.

But all is not lost for Ford. The Crown Vic has a few things going for it over the Charger

1. So many forces have been using it for years and have all the spare parts already in stock

2. The formal roofline makes the rear seat much accomodating for putting prisoners in and out

3. More trunk space

[manpower flying squad]

MCaesar,

1. Agreed - the Crown Victoria has been in production since 1979. The parts can be used from 1992 to now with some exceptions. (steel wheels, tires, and interior parts- exterior parts- redesign in 1993, 1998, and 2003. Anybody have any extra plastic manifold gaskets for the spraying of coolent in those years?


2. Not by much. The prisoner cage is used in most marked units. It is tight in the Crown Victoria as in the back of the Charger. Actually the Charger has a smidge more knee and foot room with the cage compared with the Crown Victoria. Now you know why the Crown Victorias come with two wheelbases. Regular and extended for the taxi fleet. The P71 Crown Victoria can be retrofitted with fiberglass molded rear seats with more legroom but it is very uncomforable to sit on with handcuffs around your wrists and behind your back. The Charger has a swoopier third pillar (flying butress?) that you have to be very careful (or not if the prisoner is royal a**bag) when you move his head to clear it.

3. No argument from me about that. You can carry some bodies in the trunk of the Crown Victoria. The Charger's trunk is shallower and shorter.

[manpower flying squad]

By the way, I was in the back seat of a cage-equipped Charger, unfortunately I got in the back seat, shut the door and found myself in kind of a situation. (Inopertive interior door handles and no window switches. Had to yell to a fellow buddy of mine to get me out of the car! (numerous gestures, yelling etc.)

[MCaesar]

Too funny!

BTW

The Charger has a swoopier third pillar (flying butress?) that you have to be very careful (or not if the prisoner is royal a**bag) when you move his head to clear it.


That is exactly what I was talking about. I almost hit my own climbing in. Of course with some prisoners that might be a good thing! j/k

[RT X 2]

A source close to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department said a Test driver for the dapartment made the following statement regarding Hemi Chargers after driving one on their pursuit course: "Our deputies will never see those cars. They are way too fast. Too many deputies will get killed." I suspect L.A. County may get their first widespread V6 patrol vehicles as suspected by other posters on this thread.

[RickG]

By the way, I was in the back seat of a cage-equipped Charger, unfortunately I got in the back seat, shut the door and found myself in kind of a situation. (Inopertive interior door handles and no window switches. Had to yell to a fellow buddy of mine to get me out of the car! (numerous gestures, yelling etc.)

That happened to a guy on my former job many years ago... fortunately he had his portable radio with him (...and was someplace that it worked). Naturally he took lots of abuse over having to be rescued.

[HumbleBlueSE]

*bumpy*

Nothing new, but worth mentioning that CNN.com had an article about the dominance of domestic cars as police vehicles, and Charger that was mentioned:

Article (http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/funonwheels/01/19/best_cars_for_cops/index.html)

Gallery (http://money.cnn.com/popups/2006/autos/police/frameset_cnn.exclude.html)

Quote:

Overall, based on the Michigan police's recently published final scores for the 2006 model year, the Dodge Charger ran away with all the performance categories. It fell short, however, in communications and ergonomics.

[ttowncop]

Hi, posted a few pictures of a recent track day / test day for local police departments at the Texas Motor Speedway on 01/13/06.
http://www.chargerforums.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1671
http://www.chargerforums.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1718
http://www.chargerforums.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1720

Tulsa has their chargers and magnums ordered. Should be here within a month.

[mybrid]

Great Pics! Got any more???
Love the Blue one!!!

[ttowncop]

I have some more and a pretty neat video of the charger going from 0 to 65 and then braking to 0 again. The exhaust sounds awesome. Problem, I am having a difficult time getting this forum to cooperate when uploading photos.

[slickrick]

Your search - link:http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5875&highlight=resizing+pics This should help....

[ttowncop]

Okay, I uploaded the video of the Dodge Charger Police Package into PUTFILE.COM
The video file is 12MB so be patient. It actually sounds soooo much better in person.

http://media.putfile.com/Dodge-Charger-Police-Package-at-the-Texas-Motor-Speedway-on-011306

[RedSRT8]

Have any of you seen the recent movie "The Island"?

Not going to win any Academy Awards - But - LX cop cars all OVER the freakin' place!

Interesting comment on the look of the 300/charger/magnum - the movie takes place in 2019!

They do look tough.

[BrilliantBlackHemi]

Scarlett Johansson looks hot too. :)

[mybrid]

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :rockon:
Love the video!!!
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Thanks for the great video! I for one would love to see the rest of the pic's you have.

:wave:

[k9eros]

I've been driving police cars for more years than I care to count. Currently, it is the only rear wheel drive car that's been offered since the beancounters at GM killed the Caprice, the Crown Vic. It is a pile, but the only game in town until now. Yesterday I received a new Magnum, wow what a difference! It seems to have better performance than my old Caprice, which stayed on the road until 163,000 miles because I didn't want a CV. What is going to really hurt the Dodge's is their price, they are higher than the CV even with the V-6, the Hemi adds some serious coin to it. A nicely equipped Charger is about $3,000 more than a CV. The Magnum is even more, but still less than the Tahoe.
One of the problems with the CV that has been talked about here is the explode-o-matic gas tank. Yes, there is danger anytime you get rear-ended at 70mph, but Ford still hasn't addressed the real problem. They use a metal gas tank that is vertically mounted between the front of the trunk and rear axle. It gets crushed instantly in a rear-ender. But it allows that deeper trunk so it won't change. I haven't looked at the Dodge, but I'll bet it's not like the Ford. Even the old Caprice had a plastic fuel tank mounted under the trunk.
It sure is nice to have a real car again.

[mybrid]

k9eros

Glad to hear that you are driving a Maggie!!! Got any Pic's of that beauty??
What Department you working for?? Also does it have 3.5 or HEMI?
This is so cool, I'd love to get a ride-along in a Charger or Maggie.

:wave: :wave:

[GLHS837]

WEll, K(, your in luck if the whole gas tank thing bugs you. The LX cars were designed so that the spare tire folds up, protecting the gas tank as the crumple zone crumples. Also it was designed to pass a 50mph offset rear crash test.

[k9eros]

Not driving it yet, the K-9 insert is ordered but the company that makes them is 2 months behind in their orders (for any insert, not just the Magnum; Charger insert is still in R&D) and finding equipment for it could prove interesting. Not much made yet specifically for the LX cars. It will be slick topped with as many L.E.D.'s as I can stuff into it. Taking it next week to start the equipment install.
Definitely a Hemi!
Gonzales TX. PD.

k9eros

Glad to hear that you are driving a Maggie!!! Got any Pic's of that beauty??
What Department you working for?? Also does it have 3.5 or HEMI?
This is so cool, I'd love to get a ride-along in a Charger or Maggie.

:wave: :wave:

[mybrid]

EXTRA! EXTRA! :rockon: :headbang: :yes:
The LASD Vehicle report is out!
http://www.nwjcra.org/copcharger/viewtopic.php?t=51

:ninja: :wave:

[GLHS837]

Thanks, mybrid.

[SilverSteelHemi]

NYPD eyes souped-up 'Dukes of Hazzard' patrol cars

By TOM HAYS
Associated Press Writer

February 9, 2006

NEW YORK -- The muscle car perhaps best known for outrunning a hapless sheriff in "The Dukes of Hazzard" will soon have a new role in Gotham: police cruiser.

The New York Police Department plans to buy 15 police versions of the 2006 Dodge Charger for a pilot program that will begin this summer, officials said on Thursday. If the sporty four-door sedans pass inspection, they eventually could replace hundreds of squad cars in the NYPD's 3,000-vehicle patrol fleet, now dominated by Ford Crown Victorias and Chevrolet Impalas.

"The fact that the NYPD would consider the Charger is an honor," said Kevin McCormick, spokesman for DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler Group.

Rest of Article:
http://www.amny.com/news/local/crime/am-nypd0210,0,4387411.story

[manpower flying squad]

Interesting article. However, there is an error on the story. The Ford Crown Victoria has a top speed of 130 mph with the 3:27 gears, 124 mph with the (city) 3:73 gears. and the Chevrolet Impala does 124 to 127 mph. Where does a car does "110 mph" doesn't cut it anymore? A better statement would be to get a new squad with reduced catch times and faster 60 to 130 mph without getting punched in the back and catch those pesky Hondas with big fart cans for mufflers and Bimmers. However, it does make sense that the NYPD would get city cars with the V/6, while the highway cars get the V/8. Just wondering if the Emergency Services Unit (ESU) high ranking officials, Lieutenants and above would get the Hemis. Usually in the past, when the ESUs gotten squads in the past, they usually get the biggest motors or four barrels carbs when the Diplomat/Gran Fury were king back in the 80's.

[Blkout]

Here's a picture of our GA State Trooper Charger.

http://members.cox.net/mikem359/GSP%20Charger.JPG

[manpower flying squad]

Wow. That looks sooo sharp!!!! The first traffic stop and wouldn't this be a major surprise on the motorists in Georgia!

Speeder in a Mustang pulled over, caught doing 83 in a 65 mph zone, just received his speeding ticket and insurance card back, asks the trooper prior to pulling away and asking: Does it has a -

Very Smug Trooper: Yes, and drive carefully.

Or have a bumper sticker on the bumper, Find Out! :laugh:

[mybrid]

Blkout Here's a picture of our GA State Trooper Charger.

Great pic! :cool: :cool: :rockon: :headbang: :rockon:
Got any more? It looks to me like the paint colors are Electric Blue (used on PT Cruisers and Neons) and silver.

[mricorp]

Here is A Whelen Demo Car............

[mcinfantry]

my crown vic would do 130. my impala would do 112. night and day difference in pursuits. the impala sucks in ALL situations except parking and narrow streets. the impala RARELY kept up on interstate pursuits, and long surface streets. the accleration (lack of) was more detremental than the top speed imo.

[mybrid]

mricorp
Here is A Whelen Demo Car............
Great pic! Got more??

:cool: :headbang: :clap: :rockon: :rockon:

[TGW]

MC,

I take it you guys are switching to the Chargers here?

[mcinfantry]

i did as a personal vehicle. narcotics is getting ONE v8. due to monetary constraints BRPD will NOT buy ANY for patrol, or detectives. the impala is cheapest. the ford next, and then the charger... from what i understand.

i quit after 8.5 years.

[mcinfantry]

walker PD has 3

[TGW]

So then I saw the only Charger they have about a month ago. I got all excited that they were possibly switching to them especially since I have heard how much many officers HATE the Impala. That, and I was hoping to watch people slow down if I came up on them after I got my windows tinted like they did before we lost our white Impala in the hurricane. It was always fun to watch.

[mcinfantry]

i think BRPD had a test white charger. they never had a striped (marked) one. EBRSO may get a few. and believe me, most people will think its one anyway. people think mine is! the narcotics division may get a few... so people will think its UC

[superdart]

I was just notified that our local Transit Police are getting several. Delivery is expected in 6 weeks.

[TGW]

i think BRPD had a test white charger.

That's what I saw then. It's funny, my friend and I were running some errands, and we just got done talking about me getting my Charger in a couple of weeks when I look over and see it in a parking lot with 2 squad cars. I think that was end of February or early March.

[mricorp]

[QUOTE=mybrid]Great pic! Got more??

Sure, how about this one?

[mybrid]

Dude That is SICK!!!:cool: :cool: :clap: :clap:
:yes: :yes: :yes: :wave: :wave: :wave:

[2006MangoCharger-Oregon]

mybrid:

Are you with OSP ? Cant wait to see the OSP Chargers on the road. Former Deputy here w/ Marion County SO.

[mybrid]

No! Not with OSP. I just :love: the Blue! Better than B&W!

:ninja: :ninja: :wave: :wave:

[mricorp]

No! Not with OSP. I just :love: the Blue! Better than B&W!

:ninja: :ninja: :wave: :wave:

Ouch! You hurt my feelings.

[mybrid]

Sorry Blue is #1 in my book but B&W is cool too.
:wave: :ninja: :wave:

[rtmike]

"We won't build the cars in batch form," said Craig Love, vice president of Chrysler's rear-wheel-drive product team. That's because police versions will not differ significantly from upscale Chargers.
Story[/url]

What about interiors? I imagine the rear seats would be puke proof for the drunks and such, but by the above statement they're upscale. Wouldn't the cruiser's definitely be a stripped model???

[GLHS837]

Well, the only real interior difference is the shifter. All the other stuff is easy. Seats are nothing, the SRT has different seats and such, and they are making way less of those.

[rtmike]

Really. I guess that means the possibility of a stinky rear seat exists. As you said, no big deal I guess. I was hoping they put the factory interiors back in when the car came out of service. But then again that would require storing all that interior somewhere.
My wife and daughter ride in the back was my only concern. My wheelchair rides shotgun with me. ;)

I have plenty of time before they start coming up for auction.

THANK YOU Mr. Moderator man.

[GLHS837]

Mike, those cars can also be equipped with full fiberglass seat area. Even have molded relief areas for cuffed arms:) If so, unbolt and replace with what I discuss below. I would never put my loved ones on a seat that actually seen service in a patrol car, the risk is too high.

What I would do is watch Ebay before my purchase, looking for a totalled car that you can buy the rear seats from. Also, guys who build show cars quite often sell off interior bits from brand new cars.

[HemichargerSRT10]

Oh, Man, just wait if the CHP gets their hands on the Charger to pull you over!

Marie

[mybrid]

Does ya mean one of these??:yes: :yes:
Well it aint going to happen this year!!:sad: :rolleyes:
CHP contract is with Ford and Chevy for 2006 MY.:beat:

[LuvnRadr]

I've been driving police cars for more years than I care to count. Currently, it is the only rear wheel drive car that's been offered since the beancounters at GM killed the Caprice, the Crown Vic. It is a pile, but the only game in town until now. Yesterday I received a new Magnum, wow what a difference! It seems to have better performance than my old Caprice, which stayed on the road until 163,000 miles because I didn't want a CV. What is going to really hurt the Dodge's is their price, they are higher than the CV even with the V-6, the Hemi adds some serious coin to it. A nicely equipped Charger is about $3,000 more than a CV. The Magnum is even more, but still less than the Tahoe.
One of the problems with the CV that has been talked about here is the explode-o-matic gas tank. Yes, there is danger anytime you get rear-ended at 70mph, but Ford still hasn't addressed the real problem. They use a metal gas tank that is vertically mounted between the front of the trunk and rear axle. It gets crushed instantly in a rear-ender. But it allows that deeper trunk so it won't change. I haven't looked at the Dodge, but I'll bet it's not like the Ford. Even the old Caprice had a plastic fuel tank mounted under the trunk.
It sure is nice to have a real car again.

As far as I've been told, Dodge hasn't done any 70 MPH rear end testing on the Chargers/Magnums to see what will happen. Have you heard any different?

[ronaldrwl]

Seeing more and more in Colorado
http://denverresearch.com/Charger/charger cop.jpg

[mallomm]

Just got back from Reno and all the cop cars were chargers.

[HyperPak1]

Hello Oregon!

Where's the Chargers??

HyperPak1

Six In a Row Just Might Go

[Sable]

That would be a mean looking cop car.

[Manicmechanic]

That would be a mean looking cop car.
I think this is as mean as you can get in a Charger patrol car.
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l240/Stinkfngr/IMG_0234.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l240/Stinkfngr/SPD4.jpg

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l240/Stinkfngr/SPD3.jpg
:knockout:

[1stDodge]

now, that's one cool looking police car. Love the graphics on it.

Mike

[Darko1912]

First Ever Michigan State Police Charger:


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8780

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[whiskey]

I think this is as mean as you can get in a Charger patrol car.
:knockout:

Is that for real? If that is not a fantastic photoshop, I am very nervous.

[GLHS837]

Thats not a chop, not at all. I do think a slightly more covert lighting system for the grill would be better, but it still kicks ass:)

[ChargersxtPA]

A couple videos on this subject can be found here :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs_kH1Au3zc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5HeYuCMRMc&mode=related&search=

My apologies if these links have been posted.

I see these regularly when traveling for work as the Trenton, NJ police force is using them.

[elcobra44]

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l240/Stinkfngr/IMG_0234.jpg
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l240/Stinkfngr/SPD3.jpg
:knockout:

Is that just flat black on black or what? Paint or vinyl?

That looks really slick.

[Manicmechanic]

That's the factory black color w/ Gold metal flake I believe. The decals are gold. I really need to get a night shot of this car with the decals reflecting, but it probably won't be till fall as all he works is days.

[pdcharger]

Just watch out for the slick top's.
Most of the ones we put out are.

[copstuff]

pdcharger ,

"2006 Dodge Charger Police Admin Package"
There's no such thing as a "POLICE admin pkg" (yet)
What your showing is a retail car with emergency equipt. thrown on it.

[AB Charger]

Question. Do most departments order the Charger with side curtain air bags or with out them? CPS orderd 5 with them and then Setina put together some flimsy piece of plastic for the corners of the prisoner shield to compensate for the side air bags. Problem with that is a prisoner who is not handcuffed can push the flimsy plastic out of the way as it is held in place with velcro, and get at the officer(s). Also, are most of the Chargers one or two officer cars in your jurisdictions? I ask that because of the way the Panasonic Toughbook is installed on the console. Very intrusive to the passenger officer. Look forward to your thoughts.

[jtm]

pdcharger ,

"2006 Dodge Charger Police Admin Package"
There's no such thing as a "POLICE admin pkg" (yet)
What your showing is a retail car with emergency equipt. thrown on it.

Don't know where you've been, but it is a "Charger Police Package." See the window sheet on this link http://www.copcarsforsale.com/STK%2006153.htm

DCX also calls them 'special services package' when they dress up their demo units, at least here in Canada.

[grandpa-srt4]

There are a couple of Charger Police cars in my area. Looks good as long as they are behind you with the lights on.

[tim_1522]

I saw a Police Charger today in the St. Johns/Berkeley area...just outside of St. Louis, near St. Louis/Lambert International Airport. I was at Natural Bridge and McDonnell for anyone that's familar with the area.

I saw it so briefly, that I couldn't see who it belonged to, but I did clearly see "Police Charger" markings on it.

[snicker]

An appropriate picture for this thread:

http://www.3dretreat.com/snicker/generations.jpg

[superdart]

I feel cheated by that pic!!

I see no 66-67 charger, no 71-73 Coke Bottle, no FWD Shelby Charger....LOL

BTW..was that YOUR General Lee Replica at our Huffines car show this last April?

[snicker]

I feel cheated by that pic!!

I see no 66-67 charger, no 71-73 Coke Bottle, no FWD Shelby Charger....LOL

BTW..was that YOUR General Lee Replica at our Huffines car show this last April?

Negative, wasn't mine. It was a buddies of mine. I haven't taken mine to any car shows yet.

[BLACKONBLACK]

I see those cars all over NY now

[1stDodge]

There's one less here in Oklahoma. Rumor has it he made a U-turn in front of a semi and didn't make it. Of course, the Highway patrol is claiming the truck had bad brakes.

[mcinfantry]

as an accident reconstructionist you would be surprised at some tractor violations/bad equipment.... i can see it.

[DaGeezer]

Border Patrol here just received a Hemi Pursuit Charger. Was at the dealer today and my sales guy took me out to the Service Department where they were checking it out. Front brakes are slotted 13" rotors with 4-puck calipers you can hold up with one hand. Ve-e-ry cool!

[GLHS837]

"Aieeeeee, the Hemiiiiiiiiiiii" :)

[King Savage]

WHP had two Chargers in this area wrecked within days of each other. One was chasing a dirt bike that crossed the road in front of him and the other was passing (100+) a line of traffic where a semi was waiting to make a left off of the highway.
They do look good all black with gold graphics on the side!

[Joe O.]

Saw on the New Jersey State websight that 2007 Chargers would be ordered along with other makes. Did not see any indication that Hemis were ordered as an option, looks like 3.5's.

[Bradbxyz]

They don't need Hemi's in Jersey, no one can ever get over 70 without slowing down for the next toll booth!! he he

[top banana 37]

anaheim police dept bought 25 pursuit chargers and 5 interceptors. i actually saw one about a week ago in action. one word SCHWEEEEEEET:)

[GLHS837]

anaheim police dept bought 25 pursuit chargers and 5 interceptors. i actually saw one about a week ago in action. one word SCHWEEEEEEET:)


Are they saying what the difference between pursuit and interceptor? The V6s pursue, and the V8s intercept?:grin:

[leftyturner]

I believe the Crown Vic is known as an Interceptor. Mine old one even had a sticker on the rear side window stating such.

[GLHS837]

Right, but as far as I know the Dodge police units carry no such distinctions. There not any of them called Interceptor.

[leftyturner]

Maybe Top Banana 37 can further enlighten us.

[TRP460]

Right, but as far as I know the Dodge police units carry no such distinctions. There not any of them called Interceptor.

I'm not real sure what "top banana 37" is talking about but, I had occasion to be at our auto shop this past Monday getting my "wimpala" serviced and one of our highway patrol troopers was there getting his police Charger (V-8) serviced as well.

He was holding one of those black "police interceptor" badges (the same one's that are on all the Ford CVPI's trunk lids since the 1999 model year) up to the lower right side of his Charger's trunk lid to see how it looked ...

I don't know if he placed that badge on there but I have to wonder if any other LEO's out there have done this. It might explain some of this "pursuit" and "interceptor" confusion.:confused:

[GLHS837]

That could very well be it:) Whats funny, is that after almost a year, still not one shred of proof from anywhere of the mythical SRT-8 police cars:)

[Green_Manalishi]

I'm not real sure what "top banana 37" is talking about but, I had occasion to be at our auto shop this past Monday getting my "wimpala" serviced and one of our highway patrol troopers was there getting his police Charger (V-8) serviced as well.

He was holding one of those black "police interceptor" badges (the same one's that are on all the Ford CVPI's trunk lids since the 1999 model year) up to the lower right side of his Charger's trunk lid to see how it looked ...

I don't know if he placed that badge on there but I have to wonder if any other LEO's out there have done this. It might explain some of this "pursuit" and "interceptor" confusion.:confused:

Do me a favor and dot his eye, will ya? Clown Vics have the nifty lil "Police Interceptor" badge. It does not belong on a Charger!

[leftyturner]

Do me a favor and dot his eye, will ya? Clown Vics have the nifty lil "Police Interceptor" badge. It does not belong on a Charger!

Nor is it needed.

[Edge35]

I think what he was saying is that they purchased some police package Chargers and some Ford Police Interceptors.

I'm not real sure what "top banana 37" is talking about but, I had occasion to be at our auto shop this past Monday getting my "wimpala" serviced and one of our highway patrol troopers was there getting his police Charger (V-8) serviced as well.

I don't know if he placed that badge on there but I have to wonder if any other LEO's out there have done this. It might explain some of this "pursuit" and "interceptor" confusion.:confused:

[H-Town_Charger]

i seen those police chargers around south padre island, they haul ass, too bad the 5-0 has chargers, makes me kinda upset to own one

[Old Racer]

None of the Chargers I've observed on the job have any 'Ford' garbage badges on them. No LEO (or mechanic) would ever think about commiting that sacrilege. Most of us tolerated the Fords after the LT1's; and when the Chargers began being ordered we started to smile again. We're all gearheads.

Civilian feedback is appropriate--and positive. They recognize the Chargers for what they are---as they are!

H-Town-----You should be pleased that 5-0 has the Charger. It only enhances the vehicle's reputation for all of us. Unless there's something else on your mind.

[Joe O.]

I took the Police Intercepter Badge off my station's 2006 CVPI and turned it upside down. The car really is a POS. No Chargers in our future I guess.

[azziado]

Anyone have any idea how the police crusers come equipped ?

[red35]

Anyone have any idea how the police crusers come equipped ?

here are a few links that might help.
http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=565831&highlight=police+package#post565831

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Followup/articleId=120003?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1

http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27132&highlight=police+package

I especially like the last....they came up with some Bada$$ visual design schemes on many of them.

[azziado]

Thanks for the links!

[Flames]

Just got my very own Charger Police car with the Hemi Engine...All I can say is its a BEAST! I am not any law enforcement officer, but I bet I am close to the very few that own one and a one owner car....
Tomorrow I will post some pics...

[red35]

Just got my very own Charger Police car with the Hemi Engine...All I can say is its a BEAST! I am not any law enforcement officer, but I bet I am close to the very few that own one and a one owner car....
Tomorrow I will post some pics...

I guess you were able to special order since you work for a dealership or manufacturer?

[Flames]

I guess you were able to special order since you work for a dealership or manufacturer?

Wasn't special ordered. They had 8 left over from the state contract and by Louisiana law, Louisiana cannot accept bids on any cars except the current model year. So, they brought 3 to the body shop to have sprucedup for sale. I never knew they existed on the lot till they brought themto the body shop. I asked about them, and viola, I bought one. I helped the dealer out to, because they were in his inventory and they have been paying Chrysler Corp. a monthly fee just because they were in the inventory.

So i guess I am lucky being in the right place at the right time

[red35]

Wasn't special ordered. They had 8 left over from the state contract and by Louisiana law, Louisiana cannot accept bids on any cars except the current model year. So, they brought 3 to the body shop to have sprucedup for sale. I never knew they existed on the lot till they brought themto the body shop. I asked about them, and viola, I bought one. I helped the dealer out to, because they were in his inventory and they have been paying Chrysler Corp. a monthly fee just because they were in the inventory.

So i guess I am lucky being in the right place at the right time

I can think of a person or two on this forum that should hang out with you...you seem to be pretty darn lucky!:)

[Flames]

Sorry it took so long to post pics, they were on the laptop and had to get em home.... Anyways here is the pics of my pursuit charger.

[mybrid]

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
:cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:
:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
What else can I say!
:rockon: :rockon: :wave:

One more thing if ya like to see more Charger P/P pics go to
http://www.nwjcra.org/copcharger/

[Edge35]

Flames,

Got a question about your police package Charger. Did it come with the wheels that are on it in the picture or did it originally have the standard police wheels and were later switched?

The reason I ask is because I'm up for a new car at work but it can't look like a cop car. My old car was an Impala with the street appearance package and I'm hoping there is a similar "undercover" type package for the Charger. Unfortunately my agency doesn't have any so I can't go and check one out.

[Flames]

Flames,

Got a question about your police package Charger. Did it come with the wheels that are on it in the picture or did it originally have the standard police wheels and were later switched?

The reason I ask is because I'm up for a new car at work but it can't look like a cop car. My old car was an Impala with the street appearance package and I'm hoping there is a similar "undercover" type package for the Charger. Unfortunately my agency doesn't have any so I can't go and check one out.

It came with the police steel rims with those 18 inch wheel covers. Weird thing is, those covers look like mag wheels. We had another shipment of police cars come in last week, no hubcaps, just the steel black rims with center caps, The bottom sill plate between front and rear wheels was black and has the morphodike looking dome light in it. If my car woulda looked like those, I probally woulda passed on the deal unless you could get rid of that awful domelamp.
As if today, I think i heard they have a shipment coming in again for somewhere, and I overheard like 100 units are sold. Gonna ask the fleet manager tomorrow.
Look at some other pics for other states and some have those wheel covers also. According to my sticker part of Customer Preferred Package 29A for $3580 is the Bright Hub Caps, but below in the next group is 18-inch wheel covers for $30. So I got the wheel covers instead of the bottle cap center caps...
Another thing I am not sure of, is what mods I can do to it? It states Dual Exhaust and under that it has Perf Exhaust/Steering/Shift Program. The reason I am asking is the fleet manager stated to me that it already has the Cat-Back Exhaust system on it. I can't add any Superchip programming to it, as the main thing people add it is to getthe speed limiter raised, which on this car has none.

[leftyturner]

Flames,

My old car was an Impala with the street appearance package and I'm hoping there is a similar "undercover" type package for the Charger. Unfortunately my agency doesn't have any so I can't go and check one out.

The Charger can be ordered with the full wheel covers. The spotlight doesn't have to be ordered either. Fog lights can be installed too to further "hide" the nature of the car. Unless something has changed, Dodge doesn't offer an appearance package like Chevy and Ford do.

[Jbond122]

Ok, has anyone heard anything about a strike at Continental Tires? I just ordered a police edt charger couple of weeks ago and when I called today to get a status on the build process i was told that nothing has been done due to Continental Tires being on strike and DC will not start any builds until it's over. I done some internet searching, just can't find anything. Anybody else hear anything?

[Rapid/Transit]

Anybody how much the full wheel covers are?


Ed

[STiMULi]

Do me a favor and dot his eye, will ya? Clown Vics have the nifty lil "Police Interceptor" badge. It does not belong on a Charger!

Badges... Badges... We don't need no stinkin' badges! :)

[Tee]

The base AM/FM CD Radio. Does it have an audio in ? Trying to gather stuff to add XM when mine arrives.

[Kaos]

yes, just got my Charger (actually its still being outfitted) but it has the aux plug in the front of the radio.

[Tee]

Thanks Kaos.I am on vacation until Aug 8th. I retire my Crown Vic on the 1st of Aug and pick up the Charger. I am ready. My Crown Vic has been a real leamon... Just trying to strip out all the stuff I have added...

[darsh39]

charger p/p pics are cool!!

i luv em... its got style.

nd yeah.. congrats for ur new charger tee ;)

[HyperPak1]

Somewhere here in Oregon the other night, a relaxed, law abiding unmarked Oregon State Police Dodge Charger was riding along on a secondary two lane highway when it was passed on a double line by 2 "fast moving" Motorcycles.

Radar indicated * 139 Mph *

OSP Charger was able to make the arrest. I don't know the details of the pursuit.

Crime Doesn't Pay. Big fines and suspensions in oregon for over 100 MPH.

[cocobean]

SRT 8 In Houston,? http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5249899.html

[GLHS837]

Sounds like the reporter was either given bad info from the police, or he looked up stuff and got the wrong info that way. SRT-8s cant be had in white, no matter who you are.

[cocobean]

A very poorly written article, that is way to vague. However, it would be great if our Houston contributing Charger folks can dispell/confirm this.

[Rapid/Transit]

Picture of Sweetwater, Florida unmarked Charger 3.5L.
http://i14.tinypic.com/8f46gm1.jpg

Ed

(PS-Picture taken next to Route 595 in Broward County)

[ICEChargerRT]

Picture of Sweetwater, Florida unmarked Charger 3.5L.
Ed

(PS-Picture taken next to Route 595 in Broward County)

With the property tax rate in South Florida you would think they could at least spring for a Hemi...

[Rakk101]

With the property tax rate in South Florida you would think they could at least spring for a Hemi...

I thought the police cruiser Chargers were hemi's, but just didn't have the decals showing they were?

[Rapid/Transit]

Read this pdf gentlemen.https://www.fleet.chrysler.com/fleetcda/files/site1/type5/1080_en_e_07buyersguidedodgechargerpolicevehicle.p df

Ed:)

[Tee]

I am in the fortunate position of having both. One for work and a personal. The last MOPAR Trooper Car I had was a 1983 Plymouth Grand Fury. All I can say is MOPAR has come a looooooooooong way. The BEST cruiser up until now was a 1995 Chev Caprice with the LT1. Now that was a tank with wings. Awesome car.My work Charger is a 2007. It draws a lot of comments and compliments. The seats are a big improvements over the Crowns, which I came out of for the Charger. Performance, no comparison. The only Con, if I had to find one, would be the lag time in the gear engagement between Reverse and Drive, which can make 3 point turn arounds on a narrow highway
a little concerning at times. All in all, I love them both. Still, they both drive and perform totally different...

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y58/stueart/CIMG0010.jpg

[Black Bullet]

Read this pdf gentlemen.https://www.fleet.chrysler.com/fleetcda/files/site1/type5/1080_en_e_07buyersguidedodgechargerpolicevehicle.p df

Ed:)

Interesting that the Hemi package has top speed limited to 129 mph - you would think they should be able to go as fast as neccessary to catch bad guys...

[GLHS837]

Note is says (optional), indicating that the department can specify that. The 2006/07 Hemi cars had a top end in the 150 range, and I suspect that if you dont ask for the 130, thats what you get. Its for departments that dont want their officers going higher.

[Doug at RSI]

I was given a citation by the friendly TX highway patrol just the other day. I complimented his black and white charger. It looked pretty mean :)

[Silver Charger R/T]

Interesting that the Hemi package has top speed limited to 129 mph - you would think they should be able to go as fast as neccessary to catch bad guys...

THIS DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME !I HAVE READ THAT THE R/T PACKAGE IS LIMITED TO 145MPH. I PERSONALLY HAVE SEEN 143MPH. I HAVE ALSO BEEN TOLD THE POLICE PACKAGE IS NOT COMPUTER LIMITED. SO WHY WOULD THEY PUT OUT SPECS SO WEAK top speed limited to 129MPH. (https://www.fleet.chrysler.com/fleet...evehicle.pdf) WHEN THEY HAVE BUILT THE BEST LAW ENFORCEMENT ALL AROUND PERFORMER TO DATE? OFFICERS OF THE LAW FEEDBACK PLEASE. THEY SHOULD HAVE CLAIMED TOP SPEED OF 150MPH IT LOOKS COOL AND IS REACHABLE. [B]Found this site while working on this post. Seems to back up my above input. Funny video too! (http://www.roadfly.com/2007-dodge-charger-police-package.html)COMMENTS PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. Like this review too. http://www.weshow.com/us/p/27073/review_of_the_2007_dodge_charger_hemi_police_packa ge

[speeddawg]

Our agency, KHP, has some chargers in our fleet. I have heard of speeds of 155+, though I have not experienced it personally. I do know ours are not limited to 129 though because that is what our Crown Vics do and the Chargers have whooped CVs butts in top end, as well as in every other performance option.

[GLHS837]

Whoa, Silver:) Ive seen a few different reports that the 150 top end wasn't real. We've seen this before, with the Neon SRT-4, where the car didnt have a top end limiter. See, its like this. Tire speed ratings drive limiters. Its that simple.

The Neon had tires rated for 168, a speed it could never reach, so it didnt have a limiter. It could, and did reach 150, though, stock, and higher than 150 speeds, modified.

When they released the Stage 3 upgrade kit, which made the top speed above 168, they also recommended tires good for 186.

Now, I think you'll find the 130mph cars have as part of the package slightly cheaper tires. And some departments dont want their officers going that fast (150). Heck, the reason they dropped the Disable mode for ESP was that departments requested it.

Of course, this doesnt touch on the fact that you can still get get the higher speed cars. so you havent lost anything.

[Silver Charger R/T]

thanks For The Feedback. Lets Keep It Coming !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tymont]

Talking with one of Texas' DPS Troopers one afternoon, he told me he has had his Charger to 155mph chasing a donor cycle. Said it was the smoothest car he's ever driven at speed.
Our local police chief asked me how fast I have had my wife's R&T. My reply... "70mph sir" :grin:

[Cap'n Hook]

Talking with one of Texas' DPS Troopers one afternoon, he told me he has had his Charger to 155mph chasing a donor cycle. Said it was the smoothest car he's ever driven at speed.
Our local police chief asked me how fast I have had my wife's R&T. My reply... "70mph sir" :grin:

I thought Police Chargers were limited to 149 cuz of the V-rated tires!? Not smart on his part if he did.

[Hemifyd]

Georgia State Patrol has rolled out the Charger and it looks pretty intimidating. I saw a black one with smoked windows and orange lettering on I-75 north of ATL yesterday. No lights on top so it's pretty sleek. Cherokee County sheriff's are using the Charger now too and phasing out the Crown Vics.

[tims96se]

I thought Police Chargers were limited to 149 cuz of the V-rated tires!? Not smart on his part if he did.

you do know that there is speedo error so if it was saying 155 he still could only be going 145 maybe, i know they say calibrated but at that speed there is no way... oh and by the way you can get a predator for a police now... another thing I was wondering my friend is a trooper and he said that FHP Florida Highway Patrol is getting theres starting June 08.... 10 for each troop... I wonder what octane rating the police car requires... Because the state only pumps 87 unless they go to bp and pump 89 ...

[Enano]

i suggested my grandma get a police charger cause she wants a column shifter.

[GLHS837]

you do know that there is speedo error so if it was saying 155 he still could only be going 145 maybe, i know they say calibrated but at that speed there is no way... oh and by the way you can get a predator for a police now... another thing I was wondering my friend is a trooper and he said that FHP Florida Highway Patrol is getting theres starting June 08.... 10 for each troop... I wonder what octane rating the police car requires... Because the state only pumps 87 unless they go to bp and pump 89 ...

Sure there is. Heck, even the SRT-4s non-calibrated speedos were accurate at that speed. We had a lot of folks, some on video, over in Germany, who went on the autobahn and used GPS to verify. If aNeon can be accurate, I'm pretyy darn sure our cars can be. The Michigan State police surely would have noted any discrepancy between indicated and instumented speeds. And they do test top end.

[NBx33]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/Nbx33/untitled.jpg
here is my charger... Only one i get to beat the snot out of until i get my personal R/T

[GLHS837]

NBX, what county, man? Is that PG?

[Doug at RSI]

Whoa, Silver:) Ive seen a few different reports that the 150 top end wasn't real. We've seen this before, with the Neon SRT-4, where the car didnt have a top end limiter. See, its like this. Tire speed ratings drive limiters. Its that simple.

The Neon had tires rated for 168, a speed it could never reach, so it didnt have a limiter. It could, and did reach 150, though, stock, and higher than 150 speeds, modified.

I've heard quite a few stories of guy's SRT4's getting skiddish and the drivers losing control at those high speeds.:knockout:

[GLHS837]

Hmm, I cant recall any myself. All reports Ive read says the cars stable as anything is at that speed. Where did you hear these stories?

[Doug at RSI]

Just from some local guys in Houston and observing situations where the drivers lost control on some high speed highway runs. Talking with some folks I was told that the stock suspension/chassis that hasn't evolved much from the mid 90's didn't take well to high speed stuff.

That could be why Dodge put the huge supra wing on it.

It should be noted that I haven't owned or driven an SRT4 neon at high speeds so my information could be totally off :)

[GLHS837]

A driver losing it at high speed doesn't mean the cars unstable:) And yes, the wing is there for a reason, it provides I think about 80lbs of downforce at 150. Not becuase the suspension is not capable, just that neon is shaped like a wing itself, and makes lift, which must be counteracted. They maybe coulda used a smaller spoiler off the back, but the styling guys insisted on a wing, so the SRT guys made one that accomplished both the styling look, and the aero requirement.

Like the dual exhaust, which SRT didnt want, but styling insisted on. Since they had to have it, they went to great oains to make sure is didnt harm performance and was functional.

The new Beatle had a similar aero issue, the first year was wobbly above 100, thats why the second year got its wind flap:) Local stories are usually a bad source of info, stories grow in the retelling, details get garbled. If you have any links to the local houston racing forums, Id love to read them.

[Doug at RSI]

I wouldn't really take notice if i hadn't heard it a sufficient amount of times from enough random people in similar situations to give it a little credibility. In any case I'm not in the market for a Neon so its really kind of a moot point :)

[MotorCity Muscle]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/Nbx33/untitled.jpg
here is my charger... Only one i get to beat the snot out of until i get my personal R/T

Get it while you can - word is that the V8 Hemi is doomed at Chrysler in the next few years....

[pushin it]

nice graphics

[Airborne]

Talking with one of Texas' DPS Troopers one afternoon, he told me he has had his Charger to 155mph chasing a donor cycle. Said it was the smoothest car he's ever driven at speed.
Our local police chief asked me how fast I have had my wife's R&T. My reply... "70mph sir" :grin:

My brother, a Small Town Police Chief, said the exact same thing. He also said he could barely feel the shifts. I wonder when we might see surplus Chargers with police packages.

[Old Racer]

140+ easily, and rock solid. Had plenty more but didn't trust the Conti's

[vt650]

Our agency, KHP, has some chargers in our fleet. I have heard of speeds of 155+, though I have not experienced it personally. I do know ours are not limited to 129 though because that is what our Crown Vics do and the Chargers have whooped CVs butts in top end, as well as in every other performance option.

They shut down at 150. Been there once with mine, and my old crown would only go 129. Both speeds were on the radar.

[tims96se]

My brother, a Small Town Police Chief, said the exact same thing. He also said he could barely feel the shifts. I wonder when we might see surplus Chargers with police packages.

lol

[RedMenace]

Here's one from Oklahoma
Oklahoma Highway Patrol

[RedMenace]

And another in Oklahoma City

[NBx33]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c107/Nbx33/untitled.jpg
here is my charger... Only one i get to beat the snot out of until i get my personal R/T

MO CO.

[kbak303]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/44/183515917_0a2e8b32e0.jpg?v=0

[teflon74]

Hey all just thought i would drop a line and let you all know i am working in the facility converting the cars over. We are doing a massive order for the Mexican police as we speak (1200+cars). Pretty cool work, but they insist on a very rapid turn over so the work is intensive. Teflon

[transman]

Cops with chargers cool!

[stocksj]

I just bought mine today. A black 2006 3.5 V6.

[suprman133]

I live near Cal State Northridge, and the cops out here just started driving them. I may put some steelies and some antennas on mine and blend in with them!

[tskatz]

I had a new P71 Crown Vic CVPI. last year and the Charger is absolutely the better car. Modern Technology makes a big difference. Mine was purchased brand new and it is used as a daily driver and for my EMA volunteer work. I also have an 08 Toyota 4Runner which I have not driven since I got my Charger. My Toyota has 209 miles on it. My Charger has just over 2000. I bought my car in Texas so the first 600 miles were put on it driving home. I am currently installing a Jotto Desk console for my scanner and switches for lighting. I have hide-a-way strobes and wig wags. I will post interior picks as soon as the rest of the face plate parts come in for my console. My strobes are clear in the front and red in the back. I do not play cop impersonation. I do work for EMA.

[Samoan Tsunami]

are any of them running run flats by any chance?

out here in howard county last night, the police charger had a high speed pursuit on I-95 North, the chased got away dodging the stop sticks, the charger blew out two tires when he hit em.

the finally caught two of the four later down on the outskirts of DC/Bethesda...

[GLHS837]

Nope, unless the department added them. And they are too expensive. I think.

[tskatz]

This is the console in my Charger Police Package.
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff72/tskatz/JottoDeskChargerConsole002.jpg

[Samoan Tsunami]

This is the console in my Charger Police Package.
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff72/tskatz/JottoDeskChargerConsole002.jpg

looks nice... somehow i like that look more than the civilian setups.

[1stDodge]

Not a charger, good public relations tool!!
http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2008-03-24-bug-police_N.htm?csp=34

[Johna]

Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond their security are driving white chargers.

Sheriff Department in Powhatan is driving a silver one with a hemi in it.

[Jonny]

I highly suspect that the Charger AHB HEMI will be the fastest four door sedan ever built, passing the 1969 Dodge Polara A38 Interceptor with a 440 Magnum 4bbl 375 hp 480 ft pds of torque that did 147 mph in the Chrysler Proving Grounds in Chelsea Michigan. (yes, that 4700lb squad with disc/drum brakes and aerodynamics of a cinder block!)

Sorry to quote an old post, but I gotta...


Year:1975
My Dad : Fire Chief
Me : 9 years old
Dads car: '74 Monte Carlo w/350 4bbl
The call: Tractor trailer fire on freeway, two men trapped.
Back then: If with Dad at firehouse, I got to ride!


So... We're doing 120mph (I was watching the speedo with glee) , lights and siren, understand that this was a TRUE emergency.

As we approached the State Police barracks, the Trooper pulled out in front of us, I could measure the spot we were at, but I'm guessing here we were around 150 yards from him when he pulled out.

This is the part that impresses me to this day.... We didn't slow down and HE LEFT US!!!!

After the call, the Trooper said he heard the call, grabbed a fire extinguisher and keys to the 440, threw the extinguisher in the back and never saw us.

[SEMPER FI]

Not a charger, good public relations tool!!
http://www.usatoday.com/news/offbeat/2008-03-24-bug-police_N.htm?csp=34

I want one.......ha ha ha