How different if Cup drivers coundn't drive the Busch series

[charger1]

I don't think Cup drivers should drive in the Busch series. I think the Busch would be more competive and would allow alot more new drivers to show there stuff. I will leave this up for debate. I could add more. Lets see what people think.

[charger1]

So I take it no body cares about NASCAR? Its not my favorite sport. I do enjoy it though.

[Of The Moonlight]

i agree. this is a problem that gets more and more rampant every year and, honestly, im shocked nascar has still done nothing to stop it. im sure the reason is that busch races sell more tickets when cup drivers compete, but it dilutes the series.

what should be done is this: make all nextel cup drivers register for only the nextel cup series as a regular competitor. allow that driver to compete in no more than 5 races in any other series.

there's certain tracks where cross-over drivers are almost a given and is enjoyable to see. daytona is one, talladega is another....actually, thats really all i can think of. maybe atlanta too, i dunno.

thinking more about it, what REALLY should be done is this: have the 2 series run at different tracks. that would naturally end the crossovers except for those that REALLY want to run both series. also, in doing this, cup should drop 2nd race weekends at a lot of tracks (like god damned new hamshire.) this way, the schedule could be shortened (or more tracks added) and greedy track operaters would still get 2 solid race weekends.

they could pair up the truck series and busch series if they wanted to, too. cross over in those 2 series isn't as big of an issue and would help ticket sales of those series.

[Of The Moonlight]

So I take it no body cares about NASCAR? Its not my favorite sport. I do enjoy it though.

heh, i was a minute too slow.

i love nascar. its MY sport. those around me (friends and family members) can talk endlessly about football or baseball or basketball, i was never into those growing up but am moreso these days. but nascar is MY domain.

[GoDaddy]

i agree. this is a problem that gets more and more rampant every year and, honestly, im shocked nascar has still done nothing to stop it. im sure the reason is that busch races sell more tickets when cup drivers compete, but it dilutes the series.

what should be done is this: make all nextel cup drivers register for only the nextel cup series as a regular competitor. allow that driver to compete in no more than 5 races in any other series. i really like this idea or more to the point....don't let them get points in the races. so they are racing for fun and not taking the big money and points away from drivers that need the time down in the "minor leagues" so that they can develop.



there's certain tracks where cross-over drivers are almost a given and is enjoyable to see. daytona is one, talladega is another....actually, thats really all i can think of. maybe atlanta too, i dunno.

thinking more about it, what REALLY should be done is this: have the 2 series run at different tracks. that would naturally end the crossovers except for those that REALLY want to run both series. also, in doing this, cup should drop 2nd race weekends at a lot of tracks (like god damned new hamshire.) this way, the schedule could be shortened (or more tracks added) and greedy track operaters would still get 2 solid race weekends. i am not to keen on this idea and friends and i have discussed this one many times. i think that the busch series is surviving on the nextel cups coat tails right now. i am concerned that the series, completely by itself, might fail with out the support of big brother right next to it. from an advid race goer, i also like the fact that i can go to 2 or 3 events. when i went to daytona it was incredible....racing from the duels, trucks, busch and nextel cup....it was heaven for race fans. same thing at texas....i love the multi events at the track - it just adds to the experience

they could pair up the truck series and busch series if they wanted to, too. cross over in those 2 series isn't as big of an issue and would help ticket sales of those series. this goes with my above experience, they will sell so many more tickets when paired with other events. i use this as a perfect example. being season ticket holders at texas last season is the perfect example. last year the first race for the truck series was in june paired up with the indy race. there was no body there for the truck race...seriously, one of the lowest amount of people i have seen at a major racing event. the indy race only brought in around 100,000..........on to the nov. race where all three (trucks, busch, nextel) raced at texas for the first time all together. there was at least 3 times as many people at the truck race that friday night. and don't forget next to 215,000 people at the race on sunday. i just can't agree with your thought process. and nascar is my sport as well.......:grin: :grin: :grin:

[a14umbra]

Take it from someone who liked watching Busch BEFORE Winston Cup drivers invaded. You couldn't fine a race on TV. If it wasn't for the Cup drivers, Busch would fall into obscurity.

I like the idea of limitations though.

[stealthrider]

I don't see a problem with the Cup drivers driving in the Busch series as long as if they do they must drive all of them that they can. Much like Kevin Harvick did last year with his own team. I agree with out the Cup drivers it would allow more of the younger drivers to show their stuff but I think with a few of the Cup drivers there it give the younger guys a chance to see what they are made of against one of the big boys. I believe Dave Gilliland will back that. :lol: Plus, with the Cup guys there I get to watch more of the younger drivers on TV..:lol:

[charger1]

I really don't watch the Bucsh series unless Kasey is in it. So I see the point in the spectator side and ticket sells. With that in mind aren't tickets sold in whole weekend packages. It is out here at sears point(infineon) I went to the race in 2005. Busch doesn't race here. Well, I like the suggestion of limiting the amount of races they can participate in. And or, they can only race at the superspeedways. Other sports the people don't go to the minors unless they suck. Good points out there.

[GoDaddy]

I really don't watch the Bucsh series unless Kasey is in it. So I see the point in the spectator side and ticket sells. With that in mind aren't tickets sold in whole weekend packages. no they are not, unless you are a season ticket holder. they offer race tickets seperately but if you are a season ticket holder you get discounts for buying the whole package and usually a great pick of seats. It is out here at sears point(infineon) I went to the race in 2005. Busch doesn't race here. Well, I like the suggestion of limiting the amount of races they can participate in. And or, they can only race at the superspeedways. Other sports the people don't go to the minors unless they suck. Good points out there.

[Of The Moonlight]

some tracks (like chicagoland) only sell tickets as packages. its frustrating because i dont want to go to all the races. going to a race can be such a scam. plus you gotta get up at 4 am so you avoid most of the traffic.

but back on subject somewhat, i DO think busch and truck would do well if they were together away from cup. and if not, why keep something on life support? but i digress, cuz it'll never happen anyway. the key is with registration i think.

[charger1]

What if they slowly moved the Cup drivers out of the Busch series. For example. 10 Cup drivers one race then 9 then so on and so forth. Do this till they the Cup drivers have all been removed from Busch series driving. This way Nascar or who ever moniters ticket sells and or media ratings can see the change if any.

[Of The Moonlight]

giving this subject more thought:

the problem lies with the nextel cup big guns racing in the busch series, not some of the mid level guys that bounce back and fourth and dont have much impact on either series but have the money and love of racing to do both.

maybe what they should do is make a rule that says if you are in the top 'X' in nextel cup points, you can only compete in 'X' amount of busch series races. the actual rule book wording would need to be clearer, of course, but something to this effect.

as i said, sometimes its enjoyable to see the cup guys race both days, such as daytona. but its not fair when they race at, say, california, just because they want to, while the busch guys are trying to get into the swing of the points race. y'know what i mean?

[charger1]

giving this subject more thought:

the problem lies with the nextel cup big guns racing in the busch series, not some of the mid level guys that bounce back and fourth and dont have much impact on either series but have the money and love of racing to do both.

maybe what they should do is make a rule that says if you are in the top 'X' in nextel cup points, you can only compete in 'X' amount of busch series races. the actual rule book wording would need to be clearer, of course, but something to this effect.

as i said, sometimes its enjoyable to see the cup guys race both days, such as daytona. but its not fair when they race at, say, california, just because they want to, while the busch guys are trying to get into the swing of the points race. y'know what i mean?
I like this idea. Cup drivers use the Busch race as a template to get a head start for the cup race the next day. This Idea would make both Busch and Cup races more competive.

[PikeBoy98]

I think they should keep the Cup drivers off of the Saturday races. Let the Busch guys get their time on the big screen, because they are all trying to get into the big race. The fact that they let Cup racers on play on Saturday is for the tv ratings. More cup racers in a Bushc race, the more sponsorship and tv ratings go up. Let the kids bang it out in the Busch series without the big boys.

[Of The Moonlight]

thats why i said the schedules should split after daytona.....but it was not a well received idea haha.

[GoDaddy]

based on my nascar magazine "nascar scene" they discussed the truck series and how much more of a fan base it has received with the pairing up of the nextel weekend. this in itself lends some credibility to my belief. they (all the minor leagues - ie busch and trucks) need the nextel cup weekend to get a larger fan base and sell more ticket sales.......

now in the same article they discussed that it is the same cost to run the busch series as the truck series but the purse is so much larger in the busch series. one particular driver drove an entire season the truck series and made 400,000 over the season....he drove something around 6 busch races and won over 400,000. the discussed that the pairing up with the nextel weekend has done wonders but the winnings need to be raised substantially.

what they have found is that the truck guys are having a horrible time getting a sponser b/c it costs the same as the busch series but they get more exposure.

i am just not sure the minors can really stand on their own legs like many think here. now, in the same thought process as you guys there should and needs to be limitations. the first thing i did after the busch race at daytona was call my dad and say, "thank god he isn't running a full season, he would dominate again!"......it isn't fair and there needs to be a development series where drivers can progress to the cup series...hell, it makes for more wrecks and more fun on the track...nothing better than some rookies trying to prove themselves!

[Of The Moonlight]

i dont doubt that tv viewership and ticket sales go up with truck and busch are paired with cup. thats not what im arguing. thats a given and thats why nothing will ever change. cuz of money. but what im saying is that if they REALLY wanted to fix this 'problem' they'd split off the schedules.

personally i think it waters down the series a little bit. its neat when they're all split up and you get a different race from a different track 3 different nights. but i dont contribute nearly enough money to the sport to sway current marketing trends.

also, if split, obviously trucks wouldnt draw enough to go to certain tracks. thats fine. thats what makes it a lower tier series and why only cup goes there. but, again, wealthy track owners (SMS) bitch and moan for more races (money) so this is the way of the world.

[GoDaddy]

i found this to be sort of on topic for this thread.....at least the money part.

http://www.nascar.com/2007/news/opinion/02/24/maumann.short.fields/index.html

[Of The Moonlight]

haha y'know, that thought honestly never even crossed my mind. that busch and truck fields might not be full and there's actually room for the other guys.

and poor ward burton. going home a second week in a row.

[charger1]

Look at this last weekend. Matt swept the weekend. Kevin swept in Daytona. There is no need for this. This is happening more and more. There is no spotlight getting to the normal Busch drivers. I went to the Race in Fontana. It just killed the crowd. So I feel People will get turned off to seeing the race knowing that the race will be a blowout by some fancy Cup driver dominating the Busch race. Oh well. I don't think I will ever understand. That or will except the way it is. I know money is the key. I think they can make more money following other sports and how players(drivers) move up in there series.