"Sneak Peek" Upcoming Release!!!

[Ted@MPSC]

We do not have the details ready for release, but here is a couple images for you to drool over.

PS.
"Much better than the SRT8 Brembo caliper, or others on the market in our opinion!"

[GLHS837]

I see poking around that front systems for the Corvette and Mustangs from these guys cost around 3K, just so you guys know.

[Ted@MPSC]

hmmmm, we do not sell systems for Corvette's or Mustang's, so not sure what you meant there GLHS837.
Maybe your stating that after poking around, you have found some Corvette and Mustang "AP Racing" caliper brake kits in that price range. That seems about right, let's see where we can get this, hopefully on the down low homeboy budget price bracket.

[GLHS837]

Yep, that was from another seller of AP systems, and I just posted it to show folks the ballpark they can expect to see, to minimize the "OMFG, Pep Boys sells rotors for %15.99, your trying to rip us off"

These are racecar type parts, with racecar parts pricing.

[Ted@MPSC]

What would you say if we could keep this below $2,500 for the front kit, including (2) front rotors, (2) AP 4 piston calipers, (2) Caliper mounting brackets, (2) new stainless brake lines, Ferodo DS2500 brake pads, and Ferodo 5.1 brake fluid?







SWEEEEEET!

[DutchMaster]

too bad I already painted my calipurs. these would look hot.

[Ted@MPSC]

Some of the added benefits of the AP Racing caliper we will be using.
Anti-knock Back Springs
Internal Seals
Teflon Finish
Lighter weight (aprox 5 3/4lbs each)

[Go ManGo!]

Unless your into autocrossing or putting out some serious horsepower, I wouldn't see a need to spend that much on front brakes alone but what do I know :)

[Ted@MPSC]

This brake system would be ideal for the very spirited driver. Offering much better braking control over the factory system. Like you had stated, they may not be for the everyday run around town driver, not saying they cannot handle that.



Rear setup will also be available!

[mighty noid]

This brake system would be ideal for the very spirited driver. Offering much better braking control over the factory system. Like you had stated, they may not be for the everyday run around town driver, not saying they cannot handle that.



Rear setup will also be available!


Also if you are going from either a 17" or 18" wheel to a 20" or 22". You need a big brake set up to stop those huge wheels. That is just my thoughts.

[Ted@MPSC]

Whoa, this is not a larger brake setup. These are just an improved brake setup, larger setup's may also be available soon.
The thing we have to watch out for, is the rotational mass, a larger rotational mass can hamper the improvement of a larger brake setup. Ideally, the Big Brake setup should be a lighter, and larger, but most importantly, more effective brake system. Anyone can just throw together a Big Brake setup, but is there really any braking improvements? We have many things in the works, one is you do not need to go larger, just build a better system. With less weight, and lower rotational mass, equals a much better braking system, not to mention the other hidden benefits.

More details later on

[Dookie]

How about drilled rotors for the SRT?

[Miranda]

The thing about braking.......The limiting factor with braking is the frictional properties between the tire and the road. Nearly all factory braking systems are already MORE efficient than sliding to a stop. Which means, when your performance brake equipped vehicle decellerates more rapidly than the rate of decelleration provided by a slide to stop, the wheels might stop turning sooner....BUT the vehicle still has forward momentum so either the vehicle will start sliding, or go into ABS, which means the vehicle will keep moving at threshhold braking. Running street tires on the street, HiPO brake components won't really help your vehicle stop in a shorter distance. ALot of people will argue with me here, but the shortest possible distance to a stop is achieved by locking them up and sliding to a stop on dry pavement. Ideal threshold braking might do better, but it is just that, an ideal.

Unless you are going to run racing slicks and run on a track, which would increase the frictional properties between the road surface and the tires above and beyond what you get from street tires on paved roads, expensive brake upgrades are really not going to get you stopped any sooner. But they DO look pretty!

[aflores496]

Also if you are going from either a 17" or 18" wheel to a 20" or 22". You need a big brake set up to stop those huge wheels. That is just my thoughts.
Not 22" forged wheels. They could even weigh less than a stock wheel.

Those calipers dont seem to catch my eye by the way of design and the writing on them compared to the Brembo kit or even the ones on the new challneger proto type with the word "CHALLENGER". Just my opinion..

[Ted@MPSC]

How about drilled rotors for the SRT?
I cannot reveal the updates on our rotor development at this time. We are currently testing prototypes that are unbeleavable. As we get closer to being able to release them to the public, I will elaborate on this more.

[Ted@MPSC]

The thing about braking.......The limiting factor with braking is the frictional properties between the tire and the road. Nearly all factory braking systems are already MORE efficient than sliding to a stop. Which means, when your performance brake equipped vehicle decellerates more rapidly than the rate of decelleration provided by a slide to stop, the wheels might stop turning sooner....BUT the vehicle still has forward momentum so either the vehicle will start sliding, or go into ABS, which means the vehicle will keep moving at threshhold braking. Running street tires on the street, HiPO brake components won't really help your vehicle stop in a shorter distance. ALot of people will argue with me here, but the shortest possible distance to a stop is achieved by locking them up and sliding to a stop on dry pavement.

Unless you are going to run racing slicks and run on a track, which would increase the frictional properties between the road surface and the tires above and beyond what you get from street tires on paved roads, expensive brake upgrades are really not going to get you stopped any sooner. But they DO look pretty!

Respectfully, I will not argue your case here. Tires do play a big roll in this, but there is more to it than just that. Just by changing pads one can acheave shorter stopping distances. Reduction in rotor weight will also help acheave shorter stopping distances. If you do not beleave me on this, then just do some googling regarding police brake testings. They show the changes in braking based on pads and or rotor swaps without changing tires.

[Ted@MPSC]

Not 22" forged wheels. They could even weigh less than a stock wheel.

Those calipers dont seem to catch my eye by the way of design and the writing on them compared to the Brembo kit or even the ones on the new challneger proto type with the word "CHALLENGER". Just my opinion..
In regards to your opinion, I would tend to agre as they may not be as appealling to the eye as your examples. They are not meant to be appealling, these are extremely high end brake calipers. These exceed most Brembos on the racing circuits.

[Dookie]

I cannot reveal the updates on our rotor development at this time. We are currently testing prototypes that are unbeleavable. As we get closer to being able to release them to the public, I will elaborate on this more.
If you have a list for them...put me on it!

[Ted@MPSC]

Not a problem Dookie, and when you get them , expect to shave some of that time off your time slips as well.

[DAYTONA_R/T]

I like the look of aftermarket systems... and always ponder the idea of getting a setup like this... however I will just go with Hawk HPS pads when my brake pade wear down... Better braking, low dust, and alot freak cheaper then a kit like this or the brembos...

[Ted@MPSC]

I like the look of aftermarket systems... and always ponder the idea of getting a setup like this... however I will just go with Hawk HPS pads when my brake pade wear down... Better braking, low dust, and alot freak cheaper then a kit like this or the brembos...
DAYTONA_R/T,
That is a perfectly good choice, and an excellent alternative to the high priced brake setups. When you do wear out your pads, please consider our Carbon Fiber Metalic pads, they rate in between the Hawk HPS and the Hawk HP+ pads. They are also low dusting, good breaking, and excellent pad rebound. These are a very consistant pad, excellent for spirited driving, but not so much as for racing. These pads will be available very soon for R/T and lower vehicles. SRT is still waiting on Mopar solution first, then we will look at this for a possible as well.

[AB Charger]

What would you say if we could keep this below $2,500 for the front kit, including (2) front rotors, (2) AP 4 piston calipers, (2) Caliper mounting brackets, (2) new stainless brake lines, Ferodo DS2500 brake pads, and Ferodo 5.1 brake fluid?







SWEEEEEET!Ted, I would be happier :smile: if you ammended your policy to include the brothers and sisters north of the 49th..We keep waiting for your website to say you ship to Canada, instead of you are looking into it. :sad:

[Ted@MPSC]

Ted, I would be happier :smile: if you ammended your policy to include the brothers and sisters north of the 49th..We keep waiting for your website to say you ship to Canada, instead of you are looking into it. :sad:
Canada is not a problem,Hey. We have been selling to our northern brothers and sisters for some time now, Hey. I do have to say that our site is not Canadian friendly, as it doesn't like Canada addresses. So, send us an email, or call us for our Canadian service, Hey!

lol J/K

No joke, we do business in Canada, just limited. We usually have our Canada order placed over the web site and then they send us a reply from the confirmation with the correct address. Some have called us, and we even sell to Canadain dealers, and I mean Dodge dealers. Let me know if we can help you in any way.

[Miranda]

Respectfully, I will not argue your case here. Tires do play a big roll in this, but there is more to it than just that. Just by changing pads one can acheave shorter stopping distances. Reduction in rotor weight will also help acheave shorter stopping distances. If you do not beleave me on this, then just do some googling regarding police brake testings. They show the changes in braking based on pads and or rotor swaps without changing tires.

I've not only googled police brake testings, I've participated in them. Police vehicle testing nearly always occurs on tracks, not street conditions. One example I googled was a Michigan State Police track with a coefficient of friction of 1.20, which in no way resembled real life street conditions, where the coefficient of friction is typically closer to .80. Yes, braking systems will compare directly to each other on a track, but unless you are driving on a track, the results are pretty meaningless, because the limiting factor, as I said before, is that typical .80 coefficient of friction.

So why do police testers compare performance of braking systems on tracks? 1) Because we are gearheads and want the best of everything. 2) Because fade IS a very important factor in pursuit driving. Police pursuits involve alot alot of turns and braking and accelerating and braking again, so heat buildup and fade become an issue. That type of extended on/off application is just about never done in street conditions, except by police. Street racers don't brake much.

If you put 5 different new cars on a highway with a typical coefficient of friction and stock tires, and do a brake test, they will all come within a negligible difference of each other when it comes to braking distance. Add brake mods (rotors/pads) and you won't see any significant difference. Put them all on a sticky track and/or add slicks and THEN you will start to see a big difference.

BUT, somethign that stops shorter on a track will NOT stop shorter on the interstate. the road surface is the weak link and great equalizer.

Nevertheless, your new brakes are cool! And I LOVE MPSC!!!!

[Ted@MPSC]

.......Michigan State Police track with a coefficient of friction of 1.20, which in no way resembled real life street conditions, where the coefficient of friction is typically closer to .80. .........

Nevertheless, your new brakes are cool! And I LOVE MPSC!!!!

Excellent point, and you are correct. As I had stated, I will not argue your post. All braking is limited to the road and tire friction coefficient. We also need to look at other forms of driving, such as hill and mountain areas, nice long winding country roads, and of course, our wonderfully spirited drivers. People who push their vehicles to nearly the limits that the road will allow. These people can gain some improvement in braking conditions by upgrading to performance style brakes, and yes the SRT does have some very performance orientated brakes. There is room for improvement, and we will be investigating this as a definite target. There are many people here who do take their car to the tracks, and that is where they will see the benefits of improved braking systems the most. We are excited about our new secret project, and we cannot wait to be able to unveil it. This new project is not what is pictured in post #1, this is something totally different. We may have an unveiling at the SRT Nationals, or at least a prototype on display of what is to come. More info later on, please stand by!

Ted

[Miranda]

Excellent point, and you are correct. As I had stated, I will not argue your post. All braking is limited to the road and tire friction coefficient. We also need to look at other forms of driving, such as hill and mountain areas, nice long winding country roads, and of course, our wonderfully spirited drivers.
Ted
Very Good points! (I'm in Florida and sometimes I forget the world isn't flat) Will look forward to the unveiling. You & Jeff remind me of :santa: Santa Claus.I love all my great stuff from MPSC.

[chargershed]

any new info on this awesome upgrade? did you announce at the srt nats? pics? prices? anyone? bueller? Ferris Bueller?

[Ted@MPSC]

Yes, we are still working on this. We did not announce or display the initial proto-type, due to some Canadian government restrictions at this time. We are developing this with a Canadian based business. The project is progressing extremely well, and we are excited about it as well. When we can release more details, I will post the information.

[chargershed]

Canada is not a problem,Hey. We have been selling to our northern brothers and sisters for some time now, Hey. I do have to say that our site is not Canadian friendly, as it doesn't like Canada addresses. So, send us an email, or call us for our Canadian service, Hey!


Yes, we are still working on this. We did not announce or display the initial proto-type, due to some Canadian government restrictions at this time. We are developing this with a Canadian based business. The project is progressing extremely well, and we are excited about it as well. When we can release more details, I will post the information.
Looks like Canada is a problem, after all....:lol:
I know you guys are working hard on this...( among other things, like running a business etc...) keep up the great work!

[Trevor]

Sure - blame Canada (that's a joke - South Park).

And Ted - it's "eh", not "hey". LOL - but it was pretty funny never the less...

...ya hoser.

[Ted@MPSC]

ah, Take off!


J/K

No, the Canadian government has put a restriction on the compound we are using due to the fact that it has not gone through the patent process. They don't want anyone stealing the the secret, and until they are covered, they dont want it to leave the country.

I have received some additional updates on this on Friday, due to the chemists coming up with some new ideas using some new technology, we are being pushed back another year. I hate to say that, but the end result will blow the automotive world wide open when it is revealed.This has MANY, and I mean MANY more possibilities than just the function we were originally going to use it for.