5.7L Power Package Pcm, Tcm and Converter Info.

[JEFF@MPSC]

Mopar Performance has released the Pcm for ordering. TheTCM and Performance Torque converter have also been released for ordering as well.

P5153450 2006 5.7L Mopar Performance Pcm Mopar List $349.00 MPSC Price $288.72

P5153331 2005 5.7L Mopar Performance Pcm Mopar List $349.00 MPSC Price $288.72

P5153726 Torque Converter Mopar List $339.00 MPSC Price $279.91

P5153332 Performance TCM Mopar List $249.00 MPSC Price $206.07


When Placing an order you Must Call Or Email us your Vin Number and Milegage When Ordering a PCM or TCM.
Jeff

[UA_who]

Excellent.

I had placed an order a month ago for the cam and PCM.
http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=388219&postcount=11

Will I need to do that again now? Overall I am looking for the cam/PCM/torque converter/TCM.

I am very excited about getting this setup installed. I was hoping to get everything installed before christmas. But now, if I can get it in by mid January, I will still be good to go.

[TNCHARGER]

Jeff could you give a little detail on what these mods are and what we can expect. I have not followed much about this since I have an SRT..My brother has an RT and might be interested.

[UA_who]

Jeff could you give a little detail on what these mods are and what we can expect. I have not followed much about this since I have an SRT..My brother has an RT and might be interested.

TN,
There's two groups of MOD's here that MOPAR has just come out with.
There is a CAM/LIFTER package that has been available, but needed the PCM (the $288.72 part) to go with it.

Then there is the new torque converter and the TCM (torque control module) that just came out as well.

I have been waiting for the Torque converter and TCM because it will save installation price to do them and the cam at the same time.

[1stDaytona]

I'm interested also. What can we expect for gains with just the pcm, tcm, & TC?
Can you install just those three on an otherwise stock R/T? Or do you have to have the cam/head package also?
Will those three items do anything for your mileage (if you can keep your foot out of it!!)?

[UA_who]

I'm interested also. What can we expect for gains with just the pcm, tcm, & TC?
Can you install just those three on an otherwise stock R/T? Or do you have to have the cam/head package also?
Will those three items do anything for your mileage (if you can keep your foot out of it!!)?

From what I understand, the PCM is designed just to compensate for the new CAM. I don't think it would work otherwise.

I think the TCM and TC on the other hand, can be installed on their own.

Jeff,
Can you chime in with a little insight here?

[MadC]

From what I understand, the PCM is designed just to compensate for the new CAM. I don't think it would work otherwise.

I think the TCM and TC on the other hand, can be installed on their own.

Jeff,
Can you chime in with a little insight here?

Not true. According to Mopar, the TCM must be used in conjunction with the PCM, or it will not function properly....

[Ted@MPSC]

Exactly, check out the install docs we posted under the Power Package thread. This information is in BOLD from Mopar.

[UA_who]

Not true. According to Mopar, the TCM must be used in conjunction with the PCM, or it will not function properly....

Point taken.
So if you want the TC, you need the TCM and the PCM.

I just ordered all 4 pieces though (TC/TCM/PCM/Cam) because for either the CAM or the TC, the best way to install is to pull the motor. So do both at the same time to save big install costs.

Currently, the best install price I've gotten locally here is $1200. But I think I'm going to get the dealer to do it for $1600. It would give me a little more piece of mind since it involves the computer modules.

[HEMIDON]

Seems like MOPAR is limiting their market by making all parts nessesary for any to work properly.

What is the difference between the MOPAR TCM and the HEAT TCM HHP has. HHP says their TCM needs a StarScan flash on the stock OE computer to work. Can the stock computer be flashed for the MOPAR TCM.

[Ted@MPSC]

HEMIDON,
Currently there is no PCM flash from Mopar to flash the factory PCM to accept the Mopar TCM.

[GoDaddy]

hey jeff,

are these prices still good? i looked on the site and i noticed the pcm pricing has increased. any reason? i am going to order in a few days and want the best price.

thanks,

scott

Mopar Performance has released the Pcm for ordering. TheTCM and Performance Torque converter have also been released for ordering as well.

P5153450 2006 5.7L Mopar Performance Pcm Mopar List $349.00 MPSC Price $288.72

P5153331 2005 5.7L Mopar Performance Pcm Mopar List $349.00 MPSC Price $288.72

P5153726 Torque Converter Mopar List $339.00 MPSC Price $279.91

P5153332 Performance TCM Mopar List $249.00 MPSC Price $206.07


When Placing an order you Must Call Or Email us your Vin Number and Milegage When Ordering a PCM or TCM.
Jeff

[GoDaddy]

another quick question...

which cam on your site is the performance cam that bearmandog has in his car? i see 2 listed but can't figure out which one is the correct cam. like i said earlier...i am very ready to order. just need pricing and the parts.

also, any word on when this stuff will be released?

sorry for the question, but i am really excited about these mods......

another question while i am at it - sorry dude! - how much better is the aps torque converter over the mopar torque converter? what are the stall differences?

thank you kind sir!

[JEFF@MPSC]

another quick question...

which cam on your site is the performance cam that bearmandog has in his car? i see 2 listed but can't figure out which one is the correct cam. like i said earlier...i am very ready to order. just need pricing and the parts.

also, any word on when this stuff will be released?

sorry for the question, but i am really excited about these mods......

another question while i am at it - sorry dude! - how much better is the aps torque converter over the mopar torque converter? what are the stall differences?

thank you kind sir!

Mopar change the pricing on the PCM once they became available to order. Our best price is what is currently posted in the thread and on our website. The camshaft bearmandog has in his car is the Mopar Performance Cam p/n P5153570. We feel the APS converter is better choice due to a more efficient design and usage of high performance materials or stock compents. We don't have any word on when these modules will ship.
Jeff

[UA_who]

Mopar change the pricing on the PCM once they became available to order. Our best price is what is currently posted in the thread and on our website. The camshaft bearmandog has in his car is the Mopar Performance Cam p/n P5153570. We feel the APS converter is better choice due to a more efficient design and usage of high performance materials or stock compents. We don't have any word on when these modules will ship.
Jeff

With that being said, what are your thoughts on buying the complete package. Except using the APS converter instead of the Mopar one.
Any issues with the Mopar compter parts TCM? PCM?

[JEFF@MPSC]

With that being said, what are your thoughts on buying the complete package. Except using the APS converter instead of the Mopar one.
Any issues with the Mopar compter parts TCM? PCM?

We have only received one set of the modules, the ones in bearmandog's car. So far we have had no problems with his car. We feel the APS converter will work great with the TCM upgrade. We have the converter in a Charger now with stock PCM and TCM and has worked wonders on this car and we are waiting on the modules to come in and have them put into this Charger as well.
Jeff

[GoDaddy]

i spent the better part of last night researching the aps converter and learning all i can about this product. i am very impressed with what i have read about this company and the product they are selling.

the thing that caught my eye and made me understand this mod......you aren't gaining horsepower per se....but more of gaining back what we already have. the parasitic lose of torque and hp is minimal compared to that of a stock setup......aps compared it to a 20-30ish hp increase out of the hole (from a dead stop).

in my mind, this will work perfectly with the mopar tcm. i am still trying to convince myself of the mopar pcm and going with a different cam.....i wish i could hear bearmandogs lope! that would sell me on the cam for sure.

[UA_who]

We have only received one set of the modules, the ones in bearmandog's car. So far we have had no problems with his car. We feel the APS converter will work great with the TCM upgrade. We have the converter in a Charger now with stock PCM and TCM and has worked wonders on this car and we are waiting on the modules to come in and have them put into this Charger as well.
Jeff

Jeff,
What do you think the timing is on actual delivery of the MOPAR parts? Is it still a month or so away? Or are they already available for delivery?

If it is some time from now, then I could see how your car reacts to the APS converter and the Mopar PCM/TCM. If that works well, I'd like to use the APS TC.

[MadC]

Jeff,
What do you think the timing is on actual delivery of the MOPAR parts? Is it still a month or so away? Or are they already available for delivery?

If it is some time from now, then I could see how your car reacts to the APS converter and the Mopar PCM/TCM. If that works well, I'd like to use the APS TC.

Ditto for me too Jeff! :wink:

[GoDaddy]

there is always one smart a$$ among us! :grin: are ya still loving the converter? i am pretty stoked about getting this....i have super mushy issues . i really hope this is the fix all for that feel.....with the power are cars make, we should be sideways everytime you stomp on the gas.


Ditto for me too Jeff! :wink:

[bearmandog]

Ted/Jeff;
Not that I want tear my car up again; but send me a APS TC and I'll put one in my car and give you a comparison. I'll let everybody know if there is a difference and if the difference is enough to justify the much higher cost of the APS. All it will cost you is a APS TC since I will bear the cost of the install. To truely give the best information to your customers and the forums, this needs to considered.

I don't think anyone wants to spend the extra money if they don't have too. If there is no performance difference between the two, why spend the extra money when it could be used for a Cam or other performance upgrade?

This is just a suggestion................

bearmandog

[MadC]

there is always one smart a$$ among us! :grin: are ya still loving the converter? i am pretty stoked about getting this....i have super mushy issues . i really hope this is the fix all for that feel.....with the power are cars make, we should be sideways everytime you stomp on the gas.

Yep - Still lovin' it, even just for it's daily driver qualities. My shifts used to feel like the car was actually shutting off, shifting, then turning back on. It was horrible to say the least (and the Superchip did nothing to improve that). All that is gone now, and the car is running better than ever :)

I would offer Jeff and Ted the same thing as Bear, if they send me the Mopar converter, I could compare - but quite honestly, I wouldn't do it. The APS converter works great, and is built with longevity in mind - so I wouldn't want to swap to the Mopar (even for free!)
:ninja:

[GoDaddy]

thanks madc - my shifts are pretty horrible as well. my 1-2 is the killer for me....it feels like the car is hitting the rev limiter or more like it is stalling out, and then it takes off......and for me the same is true as you - superchips didn't help it at all. i have always thought it was mechanical over technical (tcm).

madc - are you getting a tcm to go along with the converter any time soon? the calibration with the hardware should rock!

i am a few days from ordering and i am leaning heavily toward the aps converter. their website is very informative.....where as mopar is biting the big one on this.

i will still use the mopar tcm in conjunction with the aps converter....the only difference should be internals (stall seems to be the same)....gonna order them at the same time if possible.

[GoDaddy]

Ted/Jeff

what do you guys have available to ship at the present moment? any of the mopar performance parts pcm/tcm/cam-lifters/torque converter.....have money! want to spend!

thanks guys

[MadC]

madc - are you getting a tcm to go along with the converter any time soon? the calibration with the hardware should rock!


I have the Mopar performance PCM/TCM both on order. I'm quite certain that this should improve things even more. There are now some choices out there of PCM flashes, and even more TCM options - but in the end, I'd rather give the Mopar computer parts a shot for a few reasons.
1. They're much cheaper! A B&G PCM flash is $450, compared to $320 for the Mopar. The TCM's out there are around the $300 range, where the Mopar is just over $200.
2. I still keep my stock PCM and TCM. If something goes wrong with the Mopar stuff, or if I want to get another flash, or go back to stock, I always have that option.
3. It's Mopar! They don't need to figure out the programming of these things, to figure out how to improve them - they already have all this info!

[GoDaddy]

i have the install setup already......my best bud is a dodge mechanic and huge mopar head! so that part is done....i am just trying to get the nerve to pull the trigger. i want alot out of this converter and i am afraid i will be dissappointed.

tell me it will make it all better madc and i am ordering right now!:D

I have the Mopar performance PCM/TCM both on order. I'm quite certain that this should improve things even more. There are now some choices out there of PCM flashes, and even more TCM options - but in the end, I'd rather give the Mopar computer parts a shot for a few reasons.
1. They're much cheaper! A B&G PCM flash is $450, compared to $320 for the Mopar. The TCM's out there are around the $300 range, where the Mopar is just over $200.
2. I still keep my stock PCM and TCM. If something goes wrong with the Mopar stuff, or if I want to get another flash, or go back to stock, I always have that option.
3. It's Mopar! They don't need to figure out the programming of these things, to figure out how to improve them - they already have all this info!

[MadC]

i have the install setup already......my best bud is a dodge mechanic and huge mopar head! so that part is done....i am just trying to get the nerve to pull the trigger. i want alot out of this converter and i am afraid i will be dissappointed.

tell me it will make it all better madc and i am ordering right now!:D

Depends on what you mean by "all better"? It didn't get me into the 12's, but it did shave at least a tenth (traction limited) off my 60' time, which should equate to .2 in the quarter. It made my shifts feel much more like a shift should feel like. It allows me to really roast the tires, with the ESP disabled, if that's what I want to do (tires are expensive, so not so sure I like this feature :) ).

I would drop the coin for it all over again, without hesitation! But that's me. To me, less than 1k for a mod that cut a couple of tenths of my 1/4, and did wonders for driveability, is well worth it. Others will tell you that they expect to knock a second of their 1/4 times if they spend 1k. Luckily for you, sounds like you'll save a few pennies having a friend doing the install for you. I look at it like this - I spent just as much on an exhaust system that did nothing but change the sound of my car - yet I was still glad I did it, and would do it again. This mod, for the same money, makes a big difference to me. I'm really excited to see how the Mopar TCM affects it, cause it could only get even better!

[GoDaddy]

i ordered it already...i am sticking with the facts. "you made me do it!":nervous s

seriously.....my idea of "all better" is losing the slow shifts, and adding back the hooliganism of taking off with a car like ours (i read your posts over at lxforums.com). losing a few tenths on the 1/4 mile is just, as we say in louisiana - lagniape!(extra) and i love that it shaves some time off! and the raised points with the tcm/pcm and cam should be incredible (just have to wait a little longer).

Depends on what you mean by "all better"? It didn't get me into the 12's, but it did shave at least a tenth (traction limited) off my 60' time, which should equate to .2 in the quarter. It made my shifts feel much more like a shift should feel like. It allows me to really roast the tires, with the ESP disabled, if that's what I want to do (tires are expensive, so not so sure I like this feature :) ).

I would drop the coin for it all over again, without hesitation! But that's me. To me, less than 1k for a mod that cut a couple of tenths of my 1/4, and did wonders for driveability, is well worth it. Others will tell you that they expect to knock a second of their 1/4 times if they spend 1k. Luckily for you, sounds like you'll save a few pennies having a friend doing the install for you. I look at it like this - I spent just as much on an exhaust system that did nothing but change the sound of my car - yet I was still glad I did it, and would do it again. This mod, for the same money, makes a big difference to me. I'm really excited to see how the Mopar TCM affects it, cause it could only get even better!

[MadC]

i ordered it already...i am sticking with the facts. "you made me do it!":nervous s

seriously.....my idea of "all better" is losing the slow shifts, and adding back the hooliganism of taking off with a car like ours (i read your posts over at lxforums.com). losing a few tenths on the 1/4 mile is just, as we say in louisiana - lagniape!(extra) and i love that it shaves some time off! and the raised points with the tcm/pcm and cam should be incredible (just have to wait a little longer).

Ahh! Then yes! You will be very happy..... :)
Honestly, I had no idea the shift hesitation would change - that was an added bonus for me. And quite frankly, if that was the only thing it did, it would have been well worth it!

[GoDaddy]

now i must sit back and wait for moparsupercenter to process my order.....tick, tick, tick, tick, tick.......damn it!:grin:


Ahh! Then yes! You will be very happy..... :)
Honestly, I had no idea the shift hesitation would change - that was an added bonus for me. And quite frankly, if that was the only thing it did, it would have been well worth it!

[Ronaldo]

now i must sit back and wait for moparsupercenter to process my order.....tick, tick, tick, tick, tick.......damn it!:grin:Great posts guys! You make me very happy, and excited for future mod ideas!

[bearmandog]

Ted/Jeff;
Not that I want tear my car up again; but send me a APS TC and I'll put one in my car and give you a comparison. I'll let everybody know if there is a difference and if the difference is enough to justify the much higher cost of the APS. All it will cost you is a APS TC since I will bear the cost of the install. To truely give the best information to your customers and the forums, this needs to considered.

I don't think anyone wants to spend the extra money if they don't have too. If there is no performance difference between the two, why spend the extra money when it could be used for a Cam or other performance upgrade?

This is just a suggestion................

bearmandog

Ted/Jeff;
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[Ted@MPSC]

Hold on guys & gals, were still trying to process that order a few posts back.
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[crhemi]

Are you done yet?

[UA_who]

How about now?

[Ted@MPSC]

Darn it, Now I got to start all over again!!!!!

[UA_who]

Are we there yet?

[UA_who]

Darn it, Now I got to start all over again!!!!!

lol

[GoDaddy]

noooooooo!!!!!!!!!! lmao! my bud is good to do my converter for the weekend of xmas. 25 dollars and a dream........please jeffy....make my dream come true.:cry:

[UA_who]

noooooooo!!!!!!!!!! lmao! my bud is good to do my converter for the weekend of xmas. 25 dollars and a dream........please jeffy....make my dream come true.:cry:

That may be wishfull thinking.
I am just hoping that I get the parts installed before mid January. Our annual company-drag-night is in early February. I reeeeeealy want to have this upgrade in before that.

[GoDaddy]

jeff said the converter should ship by the end of the week from aps.......so i am praying!

in your scenario.....hell yeah, you need the cam and everything you can get. scare the hell out of all of them man! they will fear all chargers after you blast off of the line.

That may be wishfull thinking.
I am just hoping that I get the parts installed before mid January. Our annual company-drag-night is in early February. I reeeeeealy want to have this upgrade in before that.

[UA_who]

jeff said the converter should ship by the end of the week from aps.......so i am praying!

in your scenario.....hell yeah, you need the cam and everything you can get. scare the hell out of all of them man! they will fear all chargers after you blast off of the line.

Last year I was running stock, and was getting 14.4-14.6 at about 97mph.

I very much want... no, need to pull a 13.x at 100+mph.

It's all for fun, but these are a bunch of mechanical and aeronautical engineers... (read that as nerds that like cars).

14.4 gets you a "nice run"
13.5 gets you a "wow man!"

[MadC]

Last year I was running stock, and was getting 14.4-14.6 at about 97mph.

I very much want... no, need to pull a 13.x at 100+mph.

It's all for fun, but these are a bunch of mechanical and aeronautical engineers... (read that as nerds that like cars).

14.4 gets you a "nice run"
13.5 gets you a "wow man!"

For about $700, throw a 100 shot nitrous system on there, and run some 12.XX's! That should earn you a "Holy sh!t man!" :)

[GoDaddy]

any updates on the mopar performance tcm/pcm? thanks guys!

[Ted@MPSC]

Our PCM order show that they should be shipping on Monday, no status yet on TCM's. We will see what we can dig up.

[UA_who]

Our PCM order show that they should be shipping on Monday, no status yet on TCM's. We will see what we can dig up.

That's good news! GoDaddy, if the PCM gets delivered by next week, you may have done the B&G flash for only 1 week worth of driving.

[TNCHARGER]

That's good news! GoDaddy, if the PCM gets delivered by next week, you may have done the B&G flash for only 1 week worth of driving.

Doesn't matter..Scott would have been dead in less than a week if he had to wait..

[MadC]

I think Scott only got the Mopar TCM, and not the PCM.....

[GoDaddy]

yeah i am wondering what the tcm is going to do with the bg flash....guess we will find out soon enough. i am too happy with the flash at this point....and it has only been a few hours. i just wonder how the tcm shifts with the flash...will it raise it to 6200? i wonder....

[GoDaddy]

yep!:dead:

Doesn't matter..Scott would have been dead in less than a week if he had to wait..

[MadC]

yeah i am wondering what the tcm is going to do with the bg flash....guess we will find out soon enough. i am too happy with the flash at this point....and it has only been a few hours. i just wonder how the tcm shifts with the flash...will it raise it to 6200? i wonder....

I'll be waiting to see how yours works out Scott. I'm going with the Mopar PCM/TCM, which should work perfectly with my 6.1 cam. The unknown is how it will react to the Littleboy! If it has problems with it, I'll send my stock pcm over to B&G, and pair it with the Mopar PCM, if yours works out.

[UA_who]

Our PCM order show that they should be shipping on Monday, no status yet on TCM's. We will see what we can dig up.


Ted,
Any further development on the PCM's??

[Ted@MPSC]

All orders are programmed, boxed, and ready for shipping, vendor is waiting on Chrysler to ok release.

[UA_who]

All orders are programmed, boxed, and ready for shipping, vendor is waiting on Chrysler to ok release.

Thanks for the quick reply.

Will those be shipped direct? or to you guys first?

[Ted@MPSC]

Shipped to us, then we must ship to the customer.
Also just received new news, they have begun shipping!!!

[UA_who]

Also just received new news, they have begun shipping!!!

VERY good news!

I am now officially holding-my-breath :pray:

[UA_who]

On another note Ted,
Can you provide more info on what is included in the "cam install" kits you are selling?

What's included? Are they all Mopar parts? etc.

thanks

[Ted@MPSC]

Our cam install kit consists of all OEM Mopar parts. It includes the needed gaskets, seals, and head bolts that should be replaced when changing over to a non-mds camshaft.

[RobAGD]

Ok Silly question time, why would you need to change head bolts with a change in msd lifters ?

-R

[UA_who]

Our cam install kit consists of all OEM Mopar parts. It includes the needed gaskets, seals, and head bolts that should be replaced when changing over to a non-mds camshaft.

The CompCam 260 that I have will be using the same lifters - since the MDS is still active.

I assume then that I will only need the gaskets, seals, and lube to complete the install.

[UA_who]

Ok Silly question time, why would you need to change head bolts with a change in msd lifters ?

-R

I've heard quite a few times... that when you take off the heads, you should replace the bolts.

I don't know why though.

[GLHS837]

Ok Silly question time, why would you need to change head bolts with a change in msd lifters ?

-R

I imagine they ase assuming the heads are coming off also, and th stock bolts are torque to yeild. Which cant be reused, or at any rate shouldnt be.

http://www.robbos.com.au/myweb/Tech_Bolts.htm

Unlike a conventional bolt, TTY bolts are tightened beyond their elastic range past their yield point from which the bolt material can recover to its original length, and into the plastic phase of the bolt material. The bolt is permanently stretched and for this reason should not be reused. The reliability of these bolts once stretched is greatly reduced. If they are reused, they are permanently stretched further a second or third time. It is also for this reason why you should never retorque a torque to yield bolt.

[UA_who]

I imagine they ase assuming the heads are coming off also, and th stock bolts are torque to yeild. Which cant be reused, or at any rate shouldnt be.

http://www.robbos.com.au/myweb/Tech_Bolts.htm

Good answer. I never knew why they recommended replacement, but that makes sense now.

[bearmandog]

I replaced mine when I changed heads and lifters; it was recommended by Mopar.

[RobAGD]

Ah I didnt know they were torque to yeild.

If thats the case Ill be putting in studs I think.

-Robert

[MadC]

Well - I just got the Mopar Performance PCM up and running today :)

I'll write a full report on it tomorrow, after I beat the crap out of it a bit more - but so far, NICE!!

[InferAl]

Looking forward to it Nick

[UA_who]

Our cam install kit consists of all OEM Mopar parts. It includes the needed gaskets, seals, and head bolts that should be replaced when changing over to a non-mds camshaft.

Ted,
Any further news on shipping?

[UA_who]

Ted,
Any further news on shipping?

Nevermind Ted.

I received it by FedEx yesterday!

[UA_who]

Ted/Jeff,
I hate to be a pest, but now I have to ask about the TCM. I heard that they were shipping out last week? Any news?

[JEFF@MPSC]

Ted/Jeff,
I hate to be a pest, but now I have to ask about the TCM. I heard that they were shipping out last week? Any news?

The latest release date we have seen is 02/14.07. This is the second time Mopar has pushed the release date back.
Jeff

[UA_who]

The latest release date we have seen is 02/14.07. This is the second time Mopar has pushed the release date back.
Jeff

Thanks Jeff.
I will keep on waiting. But if I hold my breath much longer, I will start to turn blue :D

[Hemi~C~]

I too have been holding out with my MOPAR PCM sitting in the box patiently. I will need to visit the dealer for the install and I don't want to have to go twice.

Do you need Starscan to install TCM?

Chris

[MadC]

I too have been holding out with my MOPAR PCM sitting in the box patiently. I will need to visit the dealer for the install and I don't want to have to go twice.

Do you need Starscan to install TCM?

Chris

You don't have to have the Starscan for the TCM, but it would make setting the adaptives much faster. Otherwise you'll need to go through the cycling process to manually set the addaptives. If you're holding out, you may as well have the dealer scan both the PCM and TCM for you.

[p_Town_10]

now would this mopar pcm work good with FRI littleboy?

[MadC]

now would this mopar pcm work good with FRI littleboy?
All depends on what kind of vacuum it pulls at idle - but all indications are that it very well may work with the stock or Mopar PCM idle. If not, the addition of an ARC or PSC controller would certainly make it work perfectly. I'll be doing the Hellfire on the Mopar PCM, and I have no doubt it will idle on it's own.

[GoDaddy]

damn, another 2 weeks?! puts head down and walks away with a pain in heart......

[MadC]

damn, another 2 weeks?! puts head down and walks away with a pain in heart......

Let's just cross our fingers that it STAYS 2 weeks, and doesn't get pushed back again!
:mad:

[UA_who]

Two more weeks = 5500 rpm shifts at the company drag night = disappointing

:(

[GoDaddy]

are you feeling the same thing i am nate? just blowing through 2nd b/c you are so high in the rpm scale when it drops in that you aren't there long. i just feel like i should be getting more out of 2nd.

Two more weeks = 5500 rpm shifts at the company drag night = disappointing

:(

[UA_who]

are you feeling the same thing i am nate? just blowing through 2nd b/c you are so high in the rpm scale when it drops in that you aren't there long. i just feel like i should be getting more out of 2nd.

Absolutely Scott.
I am having alot of difficulty hooking up in 1st at all. And 2nd goes too fast. We really need that extra RPM range to get the most out of these beasts.


I am dragging my Dad out to a empty stretch of road outside of town this weekend to practice some launch techniques. He is going to bring a G-meter from his office so we can tell how best to do it.

[GoDaddy]

cool, get some footage. it was suppose to stop raining yesterday but the bad weather is lingering around here. hopefully i can get some good weather and i will get some videos of the launch. ain't it fun not having traction?!:grin:

i can spin my tires for days if i don't let up. i have to milk it just right to get it to hook up on take off. i haven't tried holding an rpm to launch. i am hoping for better weather so i can try that.

i have never been to the track so i am trying to do what you are doing and find the right launch to get the best times. i am sure i am going to be nervous on my first time at the track!:nervous s

Absolutely Scott.
I am having alot of difficulty hooking up in 1st at all. And 2nd goes too fast. We really need that extra RPM range to get the most out of these beasts.


I am dragging my Dad out to a empty stretch of road outside of town this weekend to practice some launch techniques. He is going to bring a G-meter from his office so we can tell how best to do it.

[InferAl]

Are you missing 2nd because the wheels are spinning or when it shifts at 5500 or 5600 it only looses a little rpm bsfore it stars back up.. Where does it recover what rpm does it drop down to between 1st and 2nd before heading back up

[UA_who]

Are you missing 2nd because the wheels are spinning or when it shifts at 5500 or 5600 it only looses a little rpm bsfore it stars back up.. Where does it recover what rpm does it drop down to between 1st and 2nd before heading back up

Godaddy may already know, but I haven't paid attention that much.

I will watch this weekend as I practice my launch techniques.

[GoDaddy]

i guess the easiest way to explain it is that the i lay into the gas and not jam the gas so i don't get traction issues. the car zooms through 1st and hits 5400ish rpms and drops into second. when it hits 2nd i am at something around 4000ish rpms or higher and i hit 5400ish rpms and it flips to 3rd which i drops in lower at (if i recalll i am dropping in at 2500/3000ish and its like she gets a second wind and takes off like a banshee and pulls all the way to 5400ish rpms and shifts to 4th.

basically what i have been saying is that i am in 2nd for around 1400rpms and then shifting. i am hoping and thinking that the mopar tcm with its 6250 shift points will drop me into 3000 rpms and then i can stay in those gears up to 6250rpms before shifting.

that is what i mean by blowing through 2nd. i am only there for 1400rpms and i am not getting the full potential. bearmandog with his mopar tcm is coming out of 2nd at like 90mph. i can't remember what we come out of 2nd in at a stock tcm configuration but it is something like 75/80.

i am wasting power....meister with his altered tcm is shifting at 6000ish rpms and then 6300 after that.so it is my belief he is dropping into that sweet spot and staying in gear longer and getting every bit of power he can at each gear. that is what i want.

as far as traction issues.....it is awesome, but very controllable. you just have to relearn how the car launches. it is all about peddle position which i am more than sure you are going to be very aware of soon!:grin:. so when are you dropping the card on a vendor man.....

oh, and sorry i was busy yesterday. i will get something for you today.



Are you missing 2nd because the wheels are spinning or when it shifts at 5500 or 5600 it only looses a little rpm bsfore it stars back up.. Where does it recover what rpm does it drop down to between 1st and 2nd before heading back up

[InferAl]

i guess the easiest way to explain it is that the i lay into the gas and not jam the gas so i don't get traction issues. the car zooms through 1st and hits 5400ish rpms and drops into second. when it hits 2nd i am at something around 4000ish rpms or higher and i hit 5400ish rpms and it flips to 3rd which i drops in lower at (if i recalll i am dropping in at 2500/3000ish and its like she gets a second wind and takes off like a banshee and pulls all the way to 5400ish rpms and shifts to 4th.

basically what i have been saying is that i am in 2nd for around 1400rpms and then shifting. i am hoping and thinking that the mopar tcm with its 6250 shift points will drop me into 3000 rpms and then i can stay in those gears up to 6250rpms before shifting.

that is what i mean by blowing through 2nd. i am only there for 1400rpms and i am not getting the full potential. bearmandog with his mopar tcm is coming out of 2nd at like 90mph. i can't remember what we come out of 2nd in at a stock tcm configuration but it is something like 75/80.

i am wasting power....meister with his altered tcm is shifting at 6000ish rpms and then 6300 after that.so it is my belief he is dropping into that sweet spot and staying in gear longer and getting every bit of power he can at each gear. that is what i want.

as far as traction issues.....it is awesome, but very controllable. you just have to relearn how the car launches. it is all about peddle position which i am more than sure you are going to be very aware of soon!:grin:. so when are you dropping the card on a vendor man.....

oh, and sorry i was busy yesterday. i will get something for you today.


I think with the higher shiftpoint it will be the same but on a higher level maybe shifting at 6200 but only dropping to 4500 not sure though but it seems to me I seen some video I will check, but I think that is a good thing the less rpm you loose between shifts
Al

[InferAl]

Hey Scott here are acouple videos of higher shiftpoint and how far rpm drops at them between gears
This one is 1 to 2
Here it is..... (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/bb315e65-0257-4a82-bfbf-988401055643.htm)

and this one is 2 to 3
http://s115.photobucket.com/albums/n310/dcoburn248/?action=view&current=Kooks-n-Creem-50-110.flv

Looks like with higher shiftpoints it just drops to around 4500 rpm between gears.
And I talked with Lee last night at probably will be pulling the trigger next week
Al

[UA_who]

I just got back in after practicing about 15 or 16 launches outside of town.

A couple of key things we figured out:

1) The best launch is with traction control off, launching from idle (no power braking) and then peddle control a bit for the first 1/2 second or so to prevent blowing up the tires.

2) The RPM ranges and speeds for the gears (in full auto drive) are about:
------1st------800rpm to 5500rpm--------0 mph to 40mph
------2nd------4100rpm to 5500rpm------40 mph to 75mph
------3rd------3500rpm to ??rpm---------75 mph on up
(we didn't go any faster since we were still on a public street - even though we were miles from anyone at all)

3) If you aren't carefull, and just punch it from a stop, the tire break loose and the engine over revs in an instant. The tranny then goes into limp mode and you have to restart the car. This would be BAD at the track.

4) Using the g-meter, we managed a VERY respectable 0.7 g's at about 20mph during launch. This drops to about 0.35 g's by 60mph, and then slowly drops to 0.30 by 75mph.. which is as fast as we went.

5) Using some charts that we have with this g-meter, it predicts about 104mph in the quarter-mile.


Come this Friday night, I will know for sure. I am hoping that the track has better traction than the old farm-road that we were on. Also hoping that it is a little colder at the track. The temp today was over 70 degrees.

[InferAl]

You will do a whole lot better when you get that TCM

[UA_who]

You will do a whole lot better when you get that TCM

Agreed. The engine has alot more power available above 5500.

[InferAl]

Agreed. The engine has alot more power available above 5500.

Those 2 video's a while a couple posts back show it

[UA_who]

The latest release date we have seen is 02/14.07. This is the second time Mopar has pushed the release date back.
Jeff


I hate to be a nag... any news on the TCM yet?

[JEFF@MPSC]

Your being a nag.....LOL! We still don't have a firm release date. Everytime we get one it Mopar pushes it back. We are looking at sometime in March now.
Jeff

[UA_who]

Your being a nag

Ouch!:silenced:



.....LOL! We still don't have a firm release date. Everytime we get one it Mopar pushes it back. We are looking at sometime in March now.
Jeff


Double ouch!!:sad: :cry:

[Scottwoos06RT]

Your being a nag.....LOL! We still don't have a firm release date. Everytime we get one it Mopar pushes it back. We are looking at sometime in March now.
Jeff

AHHH, S_ _ T !!!!!!!:cry: :cry: :cry:

[Hemi~C~]

Double Damn!!!!

[bearmandog]

Ouch! Ouch! And Ouch! Again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[UA_who]

Ouch! Ouch! And Ouch! Again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep quiet bearman, you are one of the lucky few who already has this installed!

[bearmandog]

Keep quiet bearman, you are one of the lucky few who already has this installed!

Hey; I just wish these TCM's would come out already. I've had this whole upgrade in my car since October 2006 and it has run great. But with Mopar moving back the TCM again and again, I'm sure you guys think I'm full of poop when I talk about this upgrade. The PCM/TCM with the rest of the performance upgrade work as advertised. I think when you get them in your cars you guys will very pleased with the results. As most of you know Mother Mopar moves very slowly when it comes to performance upgrades. All I can tell you is, when they do get released(the TCM), you'll have a SMILE on your face. It's that good.

[Scottwoos06RT]

I've had my set ordered w/the dealer since October........As MADC is always telling everyone "car is a monster..." well, hurry up MOPAR....give me the stuff to make the name!!!!!!!!!!!!

[UA_who]

Hey; I just wish these TCM's would come out already. I've had this whole upgrade in my car since October 2006 and it has run great. But with Mopar moving back the TCM again and again, I'm sure you guys think I'm full of poop when I talk about this upgrade. The PCM/TCM with the rest of the performance upgrade work as advertised. I think when you get them in your cars you guys will very pleased with the results. As most of you know Mother Mopar moves very slowly when it comes to performance upgrades. All I can tell you is, when they do get released(the TCM), you'll have a SMILE on your face. It's that good.

Right now, I have a CAM and TC (not Mopar though) and the Mopar PCM all installed. It's running well, but I can tell I am wasting alot of the available power.

I am hoping that the TCM is the last pice of the puzzle.

[InferAl]

Right now, I have a CAM and TCM (not Mopar though) and the Mopar PCM all installed. It's running well, but I can tell I am wasting alot of the available power.

I am hoping that the TCM is the last pice of the puzzle.

Does the TCM you are running now have raised shiftpoints

[UA_who]

Does the TCM you are running now have raised shiftpoints

Misstype Al.
I have the non-mopar CAM and TC, and Mopar PCM installed. I am waiting on the mopar TCM.

So I am still running the stock TCM and my shift points are at 5500 still :(

[InferAl]

Misstype Al.
I have the non-mopar CAM and TC, and Mopar PCM installed. I am waiting on the mopar TCM.

So I am still running the stock TCM and my shift points are at 5500 still :(

I am also concerned that it will not be here in time for my upgrade i was thinking if I were to get the TCM flashed with superchips with the stock PCM and then put in the Mopar performance PCM. then the shiftpoints only would be raised. I know one member a couple hours away that has SC but I don't know if you could do 2 cars with the same SC just for the tranny settings not any kind of tune

[UA_who]

In addition to raising the shift points, you also have to raise the rev limit. Otherwise it does no good. You can do both with the SC I think. And based on Bearmandog, the combo of Mopar PCM and TCM do both as well.

I'm not sure which computer module handles which part of the overall setup, but I do know that with just the Mopar PCM installed, if I'm not carefull I break the tires loose and the RPM shoots up so fast the tranny can't shift in time, and I go into limp mode. So I'm guessing that my rev limit is already raised, but not the shift point.

[InferAl]

In addition to raising the shift points, you also have to raise the rev limit. Otherwise it does no good. You can do both with the SC I think. And based on Bearmandog, the combo of Mopar PCM and TCM do both as well.

I'm not sure which computer module handles which part of the overall setup, but I do know that with just the Mopar PCM installed, if I'm not carefull I break the tires loose and the RPM shoots up so fast the tranny can't shift in time, and I go into limp mode. So I'm guessing that my rev limit is already raised, but not the shift point.

I am almost positive the Mopar Performance PCM raises the rev limiter and you could just do the tranny setting with SC and that would hold you over till the TCM is available. I'm pretty sure Nick is doing that. My question would be if someone elses SC could be used to do the tranny settings on my car or if you have a SC is it only good for that one car

[Hemi~C~]

SC is only good for one car at a time. S/C has to read/store the cars factory settings before it will load its improved settings into the PCM/TCM. He could return his to stock and then allow you to use the S/C to verify the combination of Mopar PCM/Stock SC calibrated TCM.

If you wait until Monday, I can give you first hand knowledge as I plan on:
1. returning my SC settings to stock.
2. having Dodge dealer install the Mopar PCM
3. conduct TCM TSB
4. pull MOPAR PCM out, install stock PCM
5. use SC to raise RPMS shift points, change tire size etc....
6. reinstall MOPAR PCM to hopefully have the best of both worlds until my damn MOPAR TCM arrives.

Anyone see any issues that would prevent me from completing this sequence?

[MadC]

That will work Hemi. That's exactly what I did (minus the TSB on the TCM, as mine was at the latest already)

SC is only good for one car at a time. S/C has to read/store the cars factory settings before it will load its improved settings into the PCM/TCM. He could return his to stock and then allow you to use the S/C to verify the combination of Mopar PCM/Stock SC calibrated TCM.

If you wait until Monday, I can give you first hand knowledge as I plan on:
1. returning my SC settings to stock.
2. having Dodge dealer install the Mopar PCM
3. conduct TCM TSB
4. pull MOPAR PCM out, install stock PCM
5. use SC to raise RPMS shift points, change tire size etc....
6. reinstall MOPAR PCM to hopefully have the best of both worlds until my damn MOPAR TCM arrives.

Anyone see any issues that would prevent me from completing this sequence?

[UA_who]

SC is only good for one car at a time. S/C has to read/store the cars factory settings before it will load its improved settings into the PCM/TCM. He could return his to stock and then allow you to use the S/C to verify the combination of Mopar PCM/Stock SC calibrated TCM.

If you wait until Monday, I can give you first hand knowledge as I plan on:
1. returning my SC settings to stock.
2. having Dodge dealer install the Mopar PCM
3. conduct TCM TSB
4. pull MOPAR PCM out, install stock PCM
5. use SC to raise RPMS shift points, change tire size etc....
6. reinstall MOPAR PCM to hopefully have the best of both worlds until my damn MOPAR TCM arrives.

Anyone see any issues that would prevent me from completing this sequence?

Sounds good Hemi.
With both the Mopar PCM and SC at your disposal, any thoughts on using the SC on the new PCM? Has anyone tried this yet? or not advisable at all?

[Scottwoos06RT]

That will work Hemi. That's exactly what I did (minus the TSB on the TCM, as mine was at the latest already)

I was gonna do that........had SC ordered and everything. Changed my mind though.

[InferAl]

Sounds good Hemi.
With both the Mopar PCM and SC at your disposal, any thoughts on using the SC on the new PCM? Has anyone tried this yet? or not advisable at all?

No you don't want to use it on the Mopar peformance PCM or TCM. You have to use the stock PCM and TCM and flash the tranny settings for the TCM then take out the stock PCM and install the Mopar performance PCM and your TCM will stay with the tranny settings. Just to hold you over till the Mopar Performance TCM is available

[UA_who]

OK... I broke down and ordered a Superchip 3825.

Here's the plan:
- Take the Mopar performance PCM out, and install the stock one back in
- Run the Superchip on it, change shift patterns, etc. as necessary
- Take the stock PCM back out and put the Mopar one back in.

So I will have a "superchip" modified TCM, with a unchanged Mopar PCM.

Is that right?

[MadC]

OK... I broke down and ordered a Superchip 3825.

Here's the plan:
- Take the Mopar performance PCM out, and install the stock one back in
- Run the Superchip on it, change shift patterns, etc. as necessary
- Take the stock PCM back out and put the Mopar one back in.

So I will have a "superchip" modified TCM, with a unchanged Mopar PCM.

Is that right?

That'll work. As long as you don't have a Torque converter, it will work perfectly. With a TC, you just won't get the electronically controlled stall to compliment the TC...

[UA_who]

That'll work. As long as you don't have a Torque converter, it will work perfectly. With a TC, you just won't get the electronically controlled stall to compliment the TC...

I do have a TC.. the APS 2600 stall converter.

And this is going to be just a interim fix until the Mopar TCM is available.

[MadC]

I do have a TC.. the APS 2600 stall converter.

And this is going to be just a interim fix until the Mopar TCM is available.

That's exactly how I'm running it in the interim also. I think I heard shipment of the TCM was pushed back to May now though.....
:smoke:

[InferAl]

I do have a TC.. the APS 2600 stall converter.

And this is going to be just a interim fix until the Mopar TCM is available.

I was thinking maybe we would be able to borrow one just to do the tranny till the TCM came in

[GoDaddy]

what????????? man oh man!

That's exactly how I'm running it in the interim also. I think I heard shipment of the TCM was pushed back to May now though.....
:smoke:

[InferAl]

Has it changed from March to May now ??

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Your being a nag.....LOL! We still don't have a firm release date. Everytime we get one it Mopar pushes it back. We are looking at sometime in March now.
Jeff
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[JEFF@MPSC]

The new release date on the TCM is now showing 3/26/07.
Jeff

[UA_who]

The new release date on the TCM is now showing 3/26/07.
Jeff

:jeez:

[Scottwoos06RT]

That's exactly how I'm running it in the interim also. I think I heard shipment of the TCM was pushed back to May now though.....
:smoke:

Ya know Nick....if this is ture, that I am holding you personally responsible for getting in the way of my quest and that you will leave no alternative, but to git on an airplane and get on over there t' "Car-o-lin-a" and stomp on some yer Hillbille A _ _ .:grin:

[MadC]

Ya know Nick....if this is ture, that I am holding you personally responsible for getting in the way of my quest and that you will leave no alternative, but to git on an airplane and get on over there t' "Car-o-lin-a" and stomp on some yer Hillbille A _ _ .:grin:

:grin: :grin:
I was making that up - but I'll bet in the end, I won't be that far off :cry:

Oh - and don't be fooled by the North Carolina address - I'm a New Yawka down to the bone, and I drive a car with a BIG trunk!! :lol:

[UA_who]

You have to think positively! If you believe May, then it will be May.

I personally think it will show up at my doorstep tomorrow!
Everyday, I am 100% sure, it will come tomorrow. Eventually, that statement will be true. :)

[Scottwoos06RT]

:grin: :grin:
I was making that up - but I'll bet in the end, I won't be that far off :cry:

Oh - and don't be fooled by the North Carolina address - I'm a New Yawka down to the bone, and I drive a car with a BIG trunk!! :lol:

Thats good to hear, gonna need the extra room for whatever boys you be runnin' wit when I's gits there.:lol:

[Scottwoos06RT]

You have to think positively! If you believe May, then it will be May.

I personally think it will show up at my doorstep tomorrow!
Everyday, I am 100% sure, it will come tomorrow. Eventually, that statement will be true. :)

"Ithink I can...I think I can...I think I can......Aw S_ _ _ ! @$%#&^%(*&#* anyways!"

[GoDaddy]

any updates on the mopar tcm?

[InferAl]

Last date was March 26 lets hope it is going to happen

[GoDaddy]

then, 9 days and counting......:nervous sLast date was March 26 lets hope it is going to happen

[Scottwoos06RT]

I REALLY NEED this TCM upgrade.......I am soooo frustrated knowing whats under the hood and being held back cause of some stupid line of code!!!!!!!!

[UA_who]

then, 9 days and counting......:nervous s

I wouldn't hold my breath. 9 days may be 39 days too... or 90 days...

[InferAl]

That would really suck, Don't even say it

[GoDaddy]

i hate you!!:cry:

we might be coming out to san anton this summer to go to seaworld.....we need to try and hook up if the family decides to do this. we are torn by a few locations but my 3 year wants to see shampu really bad again.

I wouldn't hold my breath. 9 days may be 39 days too... or 90 days...

[UA_who]

i hate you!!:cry:

we might be coming out to san anton this summer to go to seaworld.....we need to try and hook up if the family decides to do this. we are torn by a few locations but my 3 year wants to see shampu really bad again.

Let me know when/if you're coming through town.

[JEFF@MPSC]

We have spoken to Mopar once again and voiced our concerns but we still don't have a firm release date.
Jeff

[InferAl]

We have spoken to Mopar once again and voiced our concerns but we still don't have a firm release date.
Jeff

So is March 26th no longer good ?

[Scottwoos06RT]

So is March 26th no longer good ?

Sorta sounds that way.....................again:fuming:

[InferAl]

Anyone hear anything

[UA_who]

I received mine in the mail today!

























































j/k

I've got nothing :(

[Scottwoos06RT]

I received mine in the mail today!

























































j/k

I've got nothing :(

You jus keep this sort stunt coming........one of those boxes you get will have a really big surprise in it for you.....:grin:

[GoDaddy]

i am thinking about sending him a really big turd! nice and fresh and overnight it to him......that should help his tcm antagonizing a$$......lol!

[UA_who]

Now now... Boxes of smelly brown surprise won't get you the TCM any faster.

It would be very funny, true. but won't help.

Only sarcasm and a sense of humor will help pass the time until the ****ing TCM gets here!

Come on Mopar. Time to step up.

[Scottwoos06RT]

Now now... Boxes of smelly brown surprise won't get you the TCM any faster.

It would be very funny, true. but won't help.

Only sarcasm and a sense of humor will help pass the time until the ****ing TCM gets here!

Come on Mopar. Time to step up.



hehehehehehehehe:lol: :lol:

[GoDaddy]

they can put out a damper but not a freaking tcm? come on mopar?!

[Awesome]

they can put out a damper but not a freaking tcm? come on mopar?!

Hi Scott,
So I got so irritated last week, since my order has been with Mopar SuperCenter for months, so I put a call into Mopar Performance Parts directly. I spoke to Ivan (really nice guy) and asked if he could find out for us exactly what was going on with the TCM. He took all my info and said that he would call me back after he called the SRT group. He did several days later... The delay is truly in the final release from the original prototype. They needed to make sure that protection was built into the TCM to prevent over-reving and therefore engine failure. It needed to be foolproof. This has been accomplished but the bad news is we are about three to four weeks away from release. :(

[GoDaddy]

thanks for the update my friend......

Hi Scott,
So I got so irritated last week, since my order has been with Mopar SuperCenter for months, so I put a call into Mopar Performance Parts directly. I spoke to Ivan (really nice guy) and asked if he could find out for us exactly what was going on with the TCM. He took all my info and said that he would call me back after he called the SRT group. He did several days later... The delay is truly in the final release from the original prototype. They needed to make sure that protection was built into the TCM to prevent over-reving and therefore engine failure. It needed to be foolproof. This has been accomplished but the bad news is we are about three to four weeks away from release. :(

[Scottwoos06RT]

Hi Scott,
So I got so irritated last week, since my order has been with Mopar SuperCenter for months, so I put a call into Mopar Performance Parts directly. I spoke to Ivan (really nice guy) and asked if he could find out for us exactly what was going on with the TCM. He took all my info and said that he would call me back after he called the SRT group. He did several days later... The delay is truly in the final release from the original prototype. They needed to make sure that protection was built into the TCM to prevent over-reving and therefore engine failure. It needed to be foolproof. This has been accomplished but the bad news is we are about three to four weeks away from release. :(

Well, I hear that, BUT (don't ya jus' love that word...?) They've been sayin 3-4 weeks for 4 freaking months now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:angry:

[UA_who]

Back in November, when they said it would be out before Christmas....
We just didn't know that it was Christmas 2007!

I'm glad now that I bought the Superchip and programmed in the 6200rpm shift point. But the more I drive it, the more I can tell the shifting schedule and tranny control is NOT perfect. I am assuming that with all of these delays, the Mopar TCM will BE perfect.

[Scottwoos06RT]

Back in November, when they said it would be out before Christmas....
We just didn't know that it was Christmas 2007!

I'm glad now that I bought the Superchip and programmed in the 6200rpm shift point. But the more I drive it, the more I can tell the shifting schedule and tranny control is NOT perfect. I am assuming that with all of these delays, the Mopar TCM will BE perfect.

We can only hope...(and pray and sacrafice small furry animals to the Gods of MOPAR)....:cry:

[Scottwoos06RT]

BUMP
Bumpity, Bump Bump!

[GoDaddy]

now Al will be joining in the fight!!! he truly understands what we have been needing b/c he now NEEDS it bad....lol

[InferAl]

now Al will be joining in the fight!!! he truly understands what we have been needing b/c he now NEEDS it bad....lol

10/4 I heard a little different story than awsome but the result is the same we will still be waiting

[Awesome]

10/4 I heard a little different story than awsome but the result is the same we will still be waiting

Hi InferAl
What story did you hear????? This wait is killing me!!!! :(

[Scottwoos06RT]

Hi InferAl
What story did you hear????? This wait is killing me!!!! :(

.....another 3-4 MONTHS, right????:cry: :cry: :cry:

[InferAl]

.....another 3-4 MONTHS, right????:cry: :cry: :cry:

No it had nothing to do with time but was a financial dispute between 2 buisinesses that till it was resolved the TCM's would be sitting somewhere like in a warehouse waiting to go

[Scottwoos06RT]

No it had nothing to do with time but was a financial dispute between 2 buisinesses that till it was resolved the TCM's would be sitting somewhere like in a warehouse waiting to go

Oh...just one of those wee Superior Court things...well, that's it, it'll be year now. Guess I might as well cough up for the FAST system and see if that will do it. DAMN!:monster:

[InferAl]

Oh...just one of those wee Superior Court things...well, that's it, it'll be year now. Guess I might as well cough up for the FAST system and see if that will do it. DAMN!:monster:

I don't think its anything that serious but what is the fast system

[UA_who]

Yes. Please elaborate on this "fast" system.
I like the sound of it.

[MadC]

The FAST system is a stand alone computer system, that takes control of your engine, and piggybacks to the PCM. You can see it here (http://www.fuelairspark.com/Products/Information/xfi.asp)

It's expensive to buy, and expensive to have installed. You may or may not be ODBII compliant for inspections with it (not sure about that)....

[Scottwoos06RT]

The FAST system is a stand alone computer system, that takes control of your engine, and piggybacks to the PCM. You can see it here (http://www.fuelairspark.com/Products/Information/xfi.asp)

It's expensive to buy, and expensive to have installed. You may or may not be ODBII compliant for inspections with it (not sure about that)....

Ahhh....Trusty ol Nick to the rescue (thanks)....got the covers this morning....SWEET!:grin:

[MadC]

Ahhh....Trusty ol Nick to the rescue (thanks)....got the covers this morning....SWEET!:grin:

Cool - send me some pics when you're all done! :)

[Scottwoos06RT]

Count on it! Hey, don't you "work"? ( oh yeah, your one of them "rich" self-employeed guy's aren't you!!!)

[MadC]

Count on it! Hey, don't you "work"? ( oh yeah, your one of them "rich" self-employeed guy's aren't you!!!)

Self employed - yes. Rich - not since Uncle Sam just had his way with me....... I feel cheap....
:cry:

[GoDaddy]

Al, do you know the secret location of this warehouse? i see a raid in my future!:grin:

No it had nothing to do with time but was a financial dispute between 2 buisinesses that till it was resolved the TCM's would be sitting somewhere like in a warehouse waiting to go

[Ted@MPSC]

We heard through the grapevine that the issues have been resolved. The TCM's are now in process for programming and packaging and that we should start seeing shipment hopefully in mid-May.

[UA_who]

We heard through the grapevine that the issues have been resolved. The TCM's are now in process for programming and packaging and that we should start seeing shipment hopefully in mid-May.


I appreciate the news Ted. However, "hearing through the grapevine" doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the schedule.

[InferAl]

I forget are they plug and play?

[Scottwoos06RT]

I forget are they plug and play?


Don't think so....need an "inital" boot up w/the Starscan

[louz]

Any new info on the performance TCM????

LZ

[Scottwoos06RT]

Here,here....May is in 2- days......

Where's my TCM ????????

[UA_who]

Here,here....May is in 2- days......

Where's my TCM ????????


Keep dreaming Scott. Ted said Mid-May :(

[Scottwoos06RT]

Keep dreaming Scott. Ted said Mid-May :(

Bah, humbug !:(

[UA_who]

Does May 10th count as Mid-May? Please?

[Scottwoos06RT]

Does May 10th count as Mid-May? Please?


Close enough for the girls I go with.....

Where are them thar TCMS???????????

[Scottwoos06RT]

So....here it is the 15th (that qualify as "middle of May"????)....

Any news?

[Scottwoos06RT]

Bump !
Bumpitee
Bump
Bump

[UA_who]

Bump some more.

Any word Ted?

[Scottwoos06RT]

am I getting the feeling that someone dosen't want us to know whats up????

Like....is there a "problem" no one knew about that has suddenly cropped up?????

[Scottwoos06RT]

Hey Ted, Whass up man....?

You're our window into this part of the World.....open up the Shades man and let some Sun in.....:wink: :wink: :wink:

[UA_who]

May 18th now. I wonder if he meant Mid-May of 2008?

Hmmmm.

[Scottwoos06RT]

Bump!!!
Bump

[Scottwoos06RT]

bump
bump

Hey Ted, whats up ????

[Scottwoos06RT]

Well.....

Am I missing something here? Has there been another thread started on this?

Does anybody know whats up with the TCM Upgrade??????

Where'd ever body go???

[InferAl]

Probably just giving up

[UA_who]

We're all still here Scott.

[aarcuda]

Actually someone has been missing since 4/12...

[falchulk]

I am still waiting for this whole damn package to get out there and tested!!

[InferAl]

Actually someone has been missing since 4/12...

GoDaddy's been in stealth mode

[aarcuda]

GoDaddy's been in stealth mode
Actually I meant Ted, the man we need for the answers.

[UA_who]

Ted,
Even if the answer is that there isnt' any new news... please let us know you're still watching.

You're our only source of info.

[Scottwoos06RT]

Ted,
Even if the answer is that there isnt' any new news... please let us know you're still watching.

You're our only source of info.



Twice for me :)


whoo.....for a minute I thought that I was the only one still after these things.

Thanks Guys!

[InferAl]

Twice for me :)


whoo.....for a minute I thought that I was the only one still after these things.

Thanks Guys!

No we are all still here hoping it will be soon

[Scottwoos06RT]

Yeah, I 've been climbing the Walls since the first minute off the dyno in Oct 07 after all my mods!

Glad you guys are still out there

[InferAl]

Actually someone has been missing since 4/12...

GoDaddy's been in stealth mode

Actually I meant Ted, the man we need for the answers.

4/12 is also the last date Scott posted anything. Must be pissed at the whole waiting game

[Scottwoos06RT]

4/12 is also the last date Scott posted anything. Must be pissed at the whole waiting game


Well....he's be on the receiving end of bad news from Mopar as much as the rest of us. Unfortunatrely, he's been gettin the privledge of giving all the "bad" news....over, and over and over, again. Can't blame him though.


Hey Ted.....we "still" love ya man, it ain't you're fault!......Whass up!

[Scottwoos06RT]

bump, bump bump

[MadC]

I know both Ted & Jeff have been under the gun trying to make a deadline for the new website, and trying to ship parts at the same time. I think the only way you'll get hold of them is to call 'em. I've gotta call Jeff today anyway, so I'll let him know the troops are getting restless, and they need to give up some info....

[Scottwoos06RT]

I know both Ted & Jeff have been under the gun trying to make a deadline for the new website, and trying to ship parts at the same time. I think the only way you'll get hold of them is to call 'em. I've gotta call Jeff today anyway, so I'll let him know the troops are getting restless, and they need to give up some info....

Ah, we thank you kind sir, for your gentlemeness and sauve influence!

[MadC]

Ah, we thank you kind sir, for your gentlemeness and sauve influence!

Only I'll have to put it off till Saturday. Stupid me left on another biz trip, and forgot my cell phone! I feel violated.....
:slapper:

[Ted@MPSC]

Alright, I just want you all to know we have not forgotten all of you, and we are still on top of getting these released. I have spoken to Mopar regarding this several times, and until yesterday afternoon I did not have anything positive to say. The latest scoop on the TCM's is this.

Stock is now available, programming has begun, shipping should commence next week. There was a part number problem at Mopar, and this is being resolved immediately, and I have been assured that all of our orders should be shipped out to us sometime next week. I am sorry for the lack of updates, but we have been getting just as discouraged as many of you have. I can assure you though, this is worth the wait as it will resolve so many issues many of you may have with the transmission and the shift points. Those with the higher stall converters will benefit the most from this unit.

[UA_who]

Thank you Ted.
Keep up the good work.

[Scottwoos06RT]

WhoooHoooo!

If you were a girl, I'd kiss ya!

[louz]

Alright, I just want you all to know we have not forgotten all of you, and we are still on top of getting these released. I have spoken to Mopar regarding this several times, and until yesterday afternoon I did not have anything positive to say. The latest scoop on the TCM's is this.

Stock is now available, programming has begun, shipping should commence next week. There was a part number problem at Mopar, and this is being resolved immediately, and I have been assured that all of our orders should be shipped out to us sometime next week. I am sorry for the lack of updates, but we have been getting just as discouraged as many of you have. I can assure you though, this is worth the wait as it will resolve so many issues many of you may have with the transmission and the shift points. Those with the higher stall converters will benefit the most from this unit.

So you got em ???????

[InferAl]

What happened to GoDaddy

[MadC]

What happened to GoDaddy

He's probably in jail by now......

Haven't seen him around in quite some time.

[Scottwoos06RT]

WhoooHoooo!

If you were a girl, I'd kiss ya!




So....am still waitin' t' kiss ya......but no TCM's yet, whass up????

[UA_who]

Scott,
Keep that kissin' action to another place man. You're weirding me out! :)


Today's date: June 4, 2007.
TCM status: Unknown

[Ted@MPSC]

Scott,
Keep that kissin' action to another place man. You're weirding me out! :)


Today's date: June 4, 2007.
TCM status: Unknown


Yea, me too!
I don't know wether to embrace it or run from it, got me a little scared!!!
Still working on the TCM, phone call is in the office now, awaiting a return call. Trying to find out what the heck is going on, why are they not enroute to us?

[Scottwoos06RT]

OK.....My Wife will kiss you for me instead ( and by the way, If you'd seen her the way I have, you wouldn't be wasting time on the phone to them guys, you'd be standing @ their door pounding on it for all your worth! )....

There, everybody "happy" now???

lol

[Scottwoos06RT]

Bump.........!

Whass up man?????

[InferAl]

Hey Scott did you ever put those 6.1 injectors in

[Scottwoos06RT]

Nope, not yet.

Dealer says its the valve guides, so for right now, everything stays "Static" till I git the oil usage issue resolved.

[InferAl]

Nope, not yet.

Dealer says its the valve guides, so for right now, everything stays "Static" till I git the oil usage issue resolved.

You need to check out this thread we all have the oil usage issue and have it figured out. Its the PCV blowing oil ito the intake I had oil on the plugs in the 3 rear cylinders.2 on the pss side rear and 1 drivers side rear. went trough a quart in 2500 miles. Check it out. we installed catch cans and they are filling up quick

http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=69236&page=2

[Scottwoos06RT]

Hehehe....Thanks Al.

Why this is funny is that I came to this conclusion BEFORE I had the Dealer look into it and am like 99% sure this is what it is, BUT, being that it's warrantied, I am waiting to see what the Dealer does as far as his claim of standing on his warranty.......

Thanks again! :)

[UA_who]

Yea, me too!
I don't know wether to embrace it or run from it, got me a little scared!!!
Still working on the TCM, phone call is in the office now, awaiting a return call. Trying to find out what the heck is going on, why are they not enroute to us?

Are they confirmed yet Ted? Enroute?

[Scottwoos06RT]

Are they confirmed yet Ted? Enroute?

Yeah.....any word, yet???

[Scottwoos06RT]

Bumpity bump bump!

It's pretty close to qualifying as the end of June....any word on the TCM????

[Scottwoos06RT]

AND...one more bump for measure.....

[UA_who]

Keep on bumpin'

[Scottwoos06RT]

Righty-ohh....

Till they come out or I get tried and buy me a ford!

[UA_who]

Ummm... what was I going to say?

Oh yeah!

_________________B U M P !
___
___
___

[UA_who]

Righty-ohh....

Till they come out or I get tried and buy me a ford!

The F word!

That's blasphemous.

[turbobuckeye]

Righty-ohh....

Till they come out or I get tried and buy me a ford!

The F word!

That's blasphemous.

Scott dropped an F-bomb. Ban him immediately!!! :lol::lol::lol:

....j/k

[Scottwoos06RT]

hehehehe.....

Maybe that will get someone's attention ????

[UA_who]

Bump for the day.

[Scottwoos06RT]

Another Bump.....

Anyone listening?

[Scottwoos06RT]

Alright, I just want you all to know we have not forgotten all of you, and we are still on top of getting these released. I have spoken to Mopar regarding this several times, and until yesterday afternoon I did not have anything positive to say. The latest scoop on the TCM's is this.

Stock is now available, programming has begun, shipping should commence next week. There was a part number problem at Mopar, and this is being resolved immediately, and I have been assured that all of our orders should be shipped out to us sometime next week. I am sorry for the lack of updates, but we have been getting just as discouraged as many of you have. I can assure you though, this is worth the wait as it will resolve so many issues many of you may have with the transmission and the shift points. Those with the higher stall converters will benefit the most from this unit.

So......whats the "official" word now ?????

[Scottwoos06RT]

Another "Bump".....

Sure hope someone gives us an update soon (ish).... :)

[Scottwoos06RT]

Bumpity bump bump!

[Scottwoos06RT]

Bumpity bump bump!

BUMP

And one more time cause I am couple days behind!

[UA_who]

Scott,
I'll try and help out here.


BUMP!

[Ted@MPSC]

Mopar, are you seeing this?

BUMP!


No really, I have only posted what I was being told, now that that information has not come true, they seem to have decided that they do not want to answer me anymore. I have numorous calls, emails sent and have not received any word back. The system is showing a negative quantity on hand, meaning there are backorders, but we already knew that. The scheduled release date that is in the system constantly gets pushed back. I hate to post anything here now due to the fact that this is making me look bad. When I state something, I expect it to happen.

What can I tell you?

I do not know when.

[UA_who]

Mopar, are you seeing this?

BUMP!


No really, I have only posted what I was being told, now that that information has not come true, they seem to have decided that they do not want to answer me anymore. I have numorous calls, emails sent and have not received any word back. The system is showing a negative quantity on hand, meaning there are backorders, but we already knew that. The scheduled release date that is in the system constantly gets pushed back. I hate to post anything here now due to the fact that this is making me look bad. When I state something, I expect it to happen.

What can I tell you?

I do not know when.


Thank you for being honest Ted. I don't think anyone here was doubting you... just getting frustrated with the whole deal.

[elcobra44]

So.. Is it here yet?



Sorry, I had to do it. :D

[Scottwoos06RT]

Ted...

Just "hearing" from you is "great".....I know you've been on them bout this, and I for one "really" appreciate your efforts.... any lil "dribble" of info is good, no matter how insignificant.

Thank you.
Scott

[UA_who]

Bump for the week.

March... no May... nope. mid July and counting

[Scottwoos06RT]

Bump for the week.

March... no May... nope. mid July and counting

Make that 2-bumps!

Come on Momma MOPAR......there of those of us who will take it as it is...flash updates later we can wait for......

[UA_who]

Scott,
I think everyone else has given up on it. It's just you and me against the world.

[Scottwoos06RT]

Scott,
I think everyone else has given up on it. It's just you and me against the world.

I absolutely refuse to give in!!!!!!! Damn the torpedeo's!

[Scottwoos06RT]

another Bump.................

[UA_who]

Maybe if we tried it in different languages:

English:
The bump for the day

French:
La BUMP pour le jour

Spanish:
El BUMP para el día

German:
Der BUMP für den Tag

Italian:
L'BUMP per il giorno

Canadian:
The BUMP for the day, eh?

[elcobra44]

Is it here yet?

[Scottwoos06RT]

Maybe if we tried it in different languages:

English:
The bump for the day

French:
La BUMP pour le jour

Spanish:
El BUMP para el día

German:
Der BUMP für den Tag

Italian:
L'BUMP per il giorno

Canadian:
The BUMP for the day, eh?

hahahahahaha!:fuming: :beat:

[Scottwoos06RT]

Bumble Bee should have been Super Bee!

[mighty noid]

Oh btw... I am putting the Mopar Performance Package on... That is the following...

Camshaft
Non-MDS lifters
Torque Convertor
LT Headers
Hi-Flow Cats
Cat-back exhaust
TCM
PCM

[UA_who]

Oh btw... I am putting the Mopar Performance Package on... That is the following...

Camshaft__________---------> No problem
Non-MDS lifters ____---------> No problem
Torque Convertor___---------> No problem
LT Headers________---------> No problem
Hi-Flow Cats_______---------> No problem
Cat-back exhaust___---------> No problem
TCM______________---------> BIG PROBLEM. IT DOESN'T EXIST YET!
PCM______________---------> No problem

[Scottwoos06RT]

Yeah....I was gonna ask, "TCM???" Where'd you'd git one of those????

[MadC]

Yeah....I was gonna ask, "TCM???" Where'd you'd git one of those????

It's not the Mopar Performance TCM.....

[Scottwoos06RT]

is it the HHP one?

[MadC]

is it the HHP one?

It's the same AFAIK, but it's bought directly by Dodge from the German company that makes them. I believe that it's a Mercedes TCM.

[mighty noid]

Well let's see... I got it from my Dodge dealer when I got the Mopar Performance Package... It has a Mopar part number.... so I am still going to call it a Dodge TCM...