Who keeps a firearm in their vehicle?

[Thunderkiss]

Just wondering how many people do, and what caliber?

Also, revolver or semi auto? :confused:

I have a .40 S&W semi-auto in the box at all times.

[milkdud99]

anyone like king of the hill???


NEone see the episode where bobby asks hank if he can put a gunrack on his bike???

[Wilnutt]

hahaha i rememeber that one...

[Crazy_luck]

Desert Eagle .44 in the center console and Walthers P22 Custom on the ankle (both are semi auto)...

[Thunderkiss]

Desert Eagle .44 in the center console and Walthers P22 Custom on the ankle (both are semi auto)...

Sweeeeeeeeeeeet!!!

[Thunderkiss]

anyone like king of the hill???


NEone see the episode where bobby asks hank if he can put a gunrack on his bike???

Awesome episode! I think Hank says, "Son, I've been waiting for this day since you were born?" :happy:

[noggy_t_doggy]

I'm from Canada. All I have in my car is a first aid kit.

[milkdud99]

Awesome episode! I think Hank says, "Son, I've been waiting for this day since you were born?" :happy:
haha nice!!! oh and thanks for starting this thread... now i know (when i dont get my car in a couple of weeks and feel like stealing one) whose not to steal!!

[Crazy_luck]

Sweeeeeeeeeeeet!!!

I was gonna go for the .50, but at $2.75+ a round I decided not to. The .44 ammo is only $6.95 for a box of 100

[brec]

Swith and Wesson airlite .38+p on waist. H&K usp 45 in quick access safe in back.

[1RTw/RT4ME]

Desert Eagle .44 in the center console ...


I don't remember the center console being THAT big.

[Crazy_luck]

I don't remember the center console being THAT big.


It fits, theres also enough room for my Creative Labs MP3 player, digital camera, a note pad/pen, 3 D cell maglight, and my Leatherman tool.....

Unfortunately there is extra room right now, the 'Eagle is being professionally cleaned (have it done once a year, free, takes about 2 1/2 weeks :sad: )

[snowsrfr1]

I keep a Glock 22C on my person at all times (except work, they won't let me carry in the office :confused: ).

Philly is too ghetto not to have a gun. I applied for my permit the day I turned 21, and have been carrying ever since.

http://www.glock.com/g17.jpg

[milkdud99]

I keep a Glock 22C on my person at all times (except work, they won't let me carry in the office :confused: ).

Philly is too ghetto not to have a gun. I applied for my permit the day I turned 21, and have been carrying ever since.

http://www.glock.com/g17.jpg
NICE ICON!!! i love my jets!!!

[snowsrfr1]

NICE ICON!!! i love my jets!!!

Yeah, but watching them this season makes me want to use the Glock on myself.... :mad: :mad: :mad:

Doesn't help I am in Philly where you are killed and eaten if you aren't an E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!! fan.

[milkdud99]

Yeah, but watching them this season makes me want to use the Glock on myself.... :mad: :mad: :mad:
yeah.... its a shame that pennington cant go a season without gettin hurt!!! ima wonderin if he's a hypochondriact! lol jk

[snowsrfr1]

yeah....

yeah.........shame...

BUT HEY, WHO ELSE LIKES GUNS!??? :evil: :evil:

[moparfan]

Yeah, but watching them this season makes me want to use the Glock on myself.... :mad: :mad: :mad:

And they get to play the Bucs on Sunday too :whistle:

[noggy_t_doggy]

You guys are scaring me !

I've often said Toronto drivers are the worst there are, even compared to places like Philly and LA. Now I know why...If you know the drivers around you might be armed you'll think twice about jerking them around. :eek:

[snowsrfr1]

I don't know about Canada drivers, When I busted out 140kph down Eglington @ Bloor coming out of Shark City, they didn't have any trouble getting out of the way. :) :happy:

The cops on the other hand....
Story for another day... Let's just say - Thank heaven for GPS.

Toronto is dangerously fun.

[Thunderkiss]

Swith and Wesson airlite .38+p on waist. H&K usp 45 in quick access safe in back.

Both set you back in the pocket, but nice choices!!!!

[Thunderkiss]

I keep a Glock 22C on my person at all times (except work, they won't let me carry in the office :confused: ).

Philly is too ghetto not to have a gun. I applied for my permit the day I turned 21, and have been carrying ever since.

http://www.glock.com/g17.jpg

I've owned a 17 previously. Freaking sweet!!! Have you ever read the testing they were put through.

They were shot under water of course, but then they were shot in natural hot springs, in a cannister of peanut oil.

They were put through the works.

[Dysentery Bob]

Never keep a weapon in the car, but on the person. At the present, carry my BUG G27 or my Primary G22. It depends where I plan to go at the time.

I sometimes also carry a snubby in a 511 vest.

I also believe that all person should also carry a CQ weapons, for me that would be either a HAK, Buck Tarani, Tarani Masters Karambit or a MT auto(Mikora/Scarab/Halo). Also a shortened ASP baton offers a Less than Leathal advantage.

Guns/Knives left in cars can be stolen and can't be used in times of need.

[moparnutswife]

yeah....

yeah.........shame...

BUT HEY, WHO ELSE LIKES GUNS!??? :evil: :evil:

That would be the "moparnut"!!!!!

After 9/11 he convinced me to bring in a firearm.....just in case..... :cry:

I was not at all keen on the idea. We have teenagers and unless you live at "Fort Knox" and change the combinations daily, they will get into your s..t.

I was unaware at the time of how easy it is to get a permit for a gun in the southern states. Go there and fill out paperwork, submit, pay, leave, come back 3 days later and they give you 5 permits. :eek:

In NY, where we came from you have to fill out a book of papers as big as websters complete dictionary, give 40 or so references, DNA sample, first born and rights to their first born, and then wait for ever only to find out they have misplaced your application........slightly exaggerated....lol but it is very tough there.
I spoke with a NY State Trooper (a friend) a while back and he laughed when I told him that we were getting another gun. He said that was the problem in the south.....everyone is "packing". Do not think you are safe sneaking up on an "innocent old lady" because she can whip one out and plug you faster than you can say "WTF"....lol
We have various rifles in our gun safe along with now.....pistols/handguns.
Hubby had to get himself a Dessert Eagle---357 nickle plated.......I think that was a testosterone thing personally......lol
Then of course he had to get something for me to shoot.....Ruger 9mm
Then he had a friend come over and shoot some Gloc's in our back yard and the next thing I knew we own 2......a 40 and 45.
My husband has a frequent shoppers club card at the local gun shop....lol

As far as putting them in the Charger???? I agree with the statement previously made about them getting stolen. Better to get a conceal/carry and carry them on your person or in a purse.

Maybe we can start a "Packing Charger Owners Club" :whistle: :whistle:

[Thunderkiss]

In NY, where we came from you have to fill out a book of papers as big as websters complete dictionary, give 40 or so references, DNA sample, first born and rights to their first born, and then wait for ever only to find out they have misplaced your application........slightly exaggerated....lol but it is very tough there.
I spoke with a NY State Trooper (a friend) a while back and he laughed when I told him that we were getting another gun. He said that was the problem in the south.....everyone is "packing". Do not think you are safe sneaking up on an "innocent old lady" because she can whip one out and plug you faster than you can say "WTF"....lol


I don't think this is a problem.

Massachusetts, New York and California have the strictest gun laws (Almost impossible to get a permit), and not coincidently have the highest violent crime rates.

I'm in Florida and will be moving to Georgia next week. These are not the states you want to take a chance on commiting crimes against individuals in.

Except in South Florida which is full of liberal idiots from New York. :sad:

[SRT8Texas]

I carry a snub-nose S&W .357 Mag in the car. I also have a gun-safe bolted in my trunk if I have to park it in a place that doesn't honor CCL.

[snowsrfr1]

In NY, where we came from you have to fill out a book of papers as big as websters complete dictionary, give 40 or so references...

I feel your pain, I originally hail from East Meadow, NY.
I think Philly is the only Northeastern city left with any 2nd amendment rights. Anywhere in NJ, D.C., NYC, Baltimore... Forget about it.

http://www.ladylibrty.com/images/armed_n_disarmed.jpg

[epoch]

I feel your pain, I originally hail from East Meadow, NY.
I think Philly is the only Northeastern city left with any 2nd amendment rights. Anywhere in NJ, D.C., NYC, Baltimore... Forget about it.

http://www.ladylibrty.com/images/armed_n_disarmed.jpg

That's an awesome graphic! I've never been in a situation where I've felt like I needed a gun in my glovebox and I've lived in the most dangerous city in the nation.

Please don't think I'm trolling, but have any of you guys ever actually had to use your concealed weapon? Failing that, what about having to at least show it to someone to make them back-off, or whatnot?

Reason I ask is that now I'm wondering if maybe I should consider it. Still haven't even bought one for my new home, but planning on it.

Thanks

[Crazy_luck]

That's an awesome graphic! I've never been in a situation where I've felt like I needed a gun in my glovebox and I've lived in the most dangerous city in the nation.

Please don't think I'm trolling, but have any of you guys ever actually had to use your concealed weapon? Failing that, what about having to at least show it to someone to make them back-off, or whatnot?

Reason I ask is that now I'm wondering if maybe I should consider it. Still haven't even bought one for my new home, but planning on it.

Thanks


I haven't actually had to use either of them (except for target practice). But I have had to show the 'Eagle to intimidate someone who blew a stop sign and almost hit me (I stopped to avoid being hit and they stopped at the same time, got out and came at me with a tire iron. All honesty, had they hit me or the car, they would have been dead, would not have hesitated to drop em....). They saw the BIG black gun and ran back to their car, backed up, turned around and got the hell outta there. I was expecting the police to show up at my door later that night but they never did...

[GoofyGuy]

.45 kimber in the car at all times. I have to carry it around most of the time though.

[epoch]

I haven't actually had to use either of them (except for target practice). All honesty, had they hit me or the car, they would have been dead, would not have hesitated to drop em....).

You'd go to prison, possibly, for life, because someone hit your car?

Sorry, I just don't see that happening. That's why I asked ... I don't get the paranoid notion that everyone on the street who's not you (or not your skin hue?) is out to get you.

[Thunderkiss]

You'd go to prison, possibly, for life, because someone hit your car?

Sorry, I just don't see that happening. That's why I asked ... I don't get the paranoid notion that everyone on the street who's not you (or not your skin hue?) is out to get you.

10 years for pulling a gun.

20 for firing it.

Life for killing someone.

THIS IS THE WORST LAW ON THE BOOKS!!!!!!!

10 for pulling a gun?

The average convicted rapist gets 5 years.

Just another example of hippie, liberal bullsh!t pushed on us by a minority of idiots.

[epoch]

Just another example of hippie, liberal bullsh!t pushed on us by a minority of idiots.

*groan*

Please, oh, please, let's not resort to knee-jerk reactive stereotyping.

Here's a thought: Maybe that ten year law is in place because when a gun is pulled, someone ends up getting shot. It escalates the situation, you cannot deny that. Comparing it to the five year sentence for rape (unsubstantiated, but I'll bite, anyway) isn't justification. Fix the rape law, if it's unjust.

Besides, rape = loss of dignity. Murder = loss of life.

[Crazy_luck]

You'd go to prison, possibly, for life, because someone hit your car?

Sorry, I just don't see that happening. That's why I asked ... I don't get the paranoid notion that everyone on the street who's not you (or not your skin hue?) is out to get you.

If I was in the car and some one actual stopped me (again) and confronted me for something they were in the wrong about and they had a crowbar/tire iron in their hand, I'd shoot 'em. Self defense. If they come at you with a weapon and you didn't provoke them, its self defense.

[Thunderkiss]

If I was in the car and some one actual stopped me (again) and confronted me for something they were in the wrong about and they had a crowbar/tire iron in their hand, I'd shoot 'em. Self defense. If they come at you with a weapon and you didn't provoke them, its self defense.

I agree, hippie, liberals don't.

But since they run the public schools in this country we should be in the minority very soon.

[epoch]

I agree, hippie, liberals don't. I like your utter lack of grammatical prowess. No wonder you hate educated people.

But since they run the public schools in this country we should be in the minority very soon.
What? I don't even know what this means.

Applying blanket stereotypes like "hippie" and "liberal" destroys what tiny shred of credibility you might have when trying to make a point.

FYI

HAND

[Bad_24_7]

http://x10.putfile.com/10/27900525942-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=10/27900525942.jpg&s=x10)

[Dysentery Bob]

To point a firearm at another is known as Aggravated Assault (atleast in Ga). Its sentence is 1 to 20 years. There will be add on charges that will be piled on for good measure. There is a justification argument, but you need an attorney to help you with that one, I don’t care to involve myself with that one. You may also want to check with your state’s laws and become very familiar with them since you carry a weapon.

609.06 Authorized use of force.
http://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/stats/609/06.html

Subdivision 1. When authorized. Except as otherwise provided in subdivision 2, reasonable force may be used upon or toward the person of another without the other's consent when the following circumstances exist or the actor reasonably believes them to exist:
(4) when used by any person in lawful possession of real or personal property, or by another assisting the person in lawful possession, in resisting a trespass upon or other unlawful interference with such property…

[Thunderkiss]

I like your utter lack of grammatical prowess. No wonder you hate educated people.

What? I don't even know what this means.

Applying blanket stereotypes like "hippie" and "liberal" destroys what tiny shred of credibility you might have when trying to make a point.

FYI

HAND

I suppose it’s the fact that I am private school educated that is infuriating you the most.

I wasn't indoctrinated like most of the "free-thinking" zombies that were and are educated on my tax dollars.

If you read most of the posts in this thread you will see that you are in the minority on this subject.

Although I am sure that just makes you feel like one of the “elite thinkers” that those on the left believe they are.

[Thunderkiss]

Isn't it odd that those who hate guns do so because they are "more educated" than those that don't.

Again, those who are pro-choice are so much more educated than those who are pro-life.

Once again, those who are anti-war are so much more educated than those who see it as the only solution at certain times.

What it comes down to is that we are idiots because we didn't go to college.

Or if we did it wasn't the right college.

The bottom line is that these "open-minded" individuals don't like the way we think even though we have the freedom to think as we see fit.

We just have to think as they do!

[snowsrfr1]

have any of you guys ever actually had to use your concealed weapon? Failing that, what about having to at least show it to someone to make them back-off, or whatnot?

Reason I ask is that now I'm wondering if maybe I should consider it. Still haven't even bought one for my new home, but planning on it.

Thanks

Hopefully I can get this thread back on track and away from the bash-fest it has become between certain members :).

Yes I have had to use my weapon in order to get out of a situation.

3:00 a.m. -- I parked my car near my old apartment, and started walking down N. 32nd street towards my building. I am wearing jeans, a t-shirt, and an unbuttoned long-sleeve over my t-shirt to conceal my out-of-the-pants holster with my Glock 22C inside. Someone rides up to me on a bicycle, and gives me a saga story about he needs money for medicine for his daughter. He said that she needed asthema medicine. I reminded him that it was 3:00 a.m. on a Saturday and there was no way he was getting medicine for anyone. I told him to have a good night, and started to walk away. After a few paces, the man called out to me to "wait up," and a turned around. He told me he wanted to show me something, and came towards me, reaching into the inside of his jacket. I had had just about enough at this point.

To understand the nature of this story, you must understand the nature of the city I live in at the time that this happened. I simply lived in a bad neighborhood.

Crime Stats for Philly (http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Philadelphia&state=NY)

Crime Stats for New York City (http://http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=New%20York&state=NY)

Poeple were getting strongarmed left and right around Drexel and UPenn's campuses, even in broad daylight. Gangs of high-school hoodlums would gang-beat local College students for no reason other than their frustration of living in West Philly under less than ideal condidtions. There was little question in my mind that I was about to be robbed. Hopefully you can understand what I was thinking at the time, at 3:00 a.m, alone...

When I saw the man reach into his coat, I pulled open my overshirt and put my hand on my weapon, telling the man to get his hand out of his jacket. Whether the man was pulling a weapon on me and saw I had better position, or he wanted to show me something totally unrelated, I was really sweating and in fear of bodily harm when this happened. Thankfully, the man backed off, took his hand out of his jacket slowly, and went back to his bicycle. He called me a racist, and I told him I didn't car if he was black, white, or purple! He pedaled off into the night.

The reason I carry is because I never want to be in a situation where I cannot protect myself if I can not get away. I don't want to be a statistic who gets ganged up on by local thugs, or carjacked and shot while minding my own business. These things can happen in the most crime-ridden neighborhoods, or Beverly Hills. It's not a good idea to be naive and think nothing will ever happen to you. That's not to say you should be a paranoid survivalist either.

If you can take on the massive responsibility of carring a weapon, and understand the laws of the land governing its use, then I think you do yourself (and your family) a great service.

Boy, I wrote a lot... Sorry...

[SRT8Texas]

Thanks for getting this topic back on track and posting a good reply. The NRA magazine, "American Rifleman" has great self-defense stories in their "The Armed Citizen" section. They are encouraging stories of responsible and armed adults using justified force with a handgun to protect life or property.

[Crazy_luck]

If you can take on the massive responsibility of carring a weapon, and understand the laws of the land governing its use, then I think you do yourself (and your family) a great service.

Boy, I wrote a lot... Sorry...


Much of what you said was the point I was trying to get across earlier. I have a conceal and carry permit allowing up to 3 handguns on my person at a time. I also have a defensive firearms permit that allows me transport up to 2 fire arms in my vehicle (loaded in SAFE position). But it took several training classes to get these permits and I'm still required to go to target practice once every 3 months.

I carry a gun by choice. I chose to stand up and survive. I have been shot at (not aiming at me in particular, just the direction I was in) at several parties over the last few years, and I have been attacked at knife point twice and robbed at gun point. If it happens again, I now have a way to defend myself.

[Thunderkiss]

Hopefully I can get this thread back on track and away from the bash-fest it has become between certain members :).

Yes I have had to use my weapon in order to get out of a situation.

3:00 a.m. -- I parked my car near my old apartment, and started walking down N. 32nd street towards my building. I am wearing jeans, a t-shirt, and an unbuttoned long-sleeve over my t-shirt to conceal my out-of-the-pants holster with my Glock 22C inside. Someone rides up to me on a bicycle, and gives me a saga story about he needs money for medicine for his daughter. He said that she needed asthema medicine. I reminded him that it was 3:00 a.m. on a Saturday and there was no way he was getting medicine for anyone. I told him to have a good night, and started to walk away. After a few paces, the man called out to me to "wait up," and a turned around. He told me he wanted to show me something, and came towards me, reaching into the inside of his jacket. I had had just about enough at this point.

To understand the nature of this story, you must understand the nature of the city I live in at the time that this happened. I simply lived in a bad neighborhood.

Crime Stats for Philly (http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Philadelphia&state=NY)

Crime Stats for New York City (http://http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=New%20York&state=NY)

Poeple were getting strongarmed left and right around Drexel and UPenn's campuses, even in broad daylight. Gangs of high-school hoodlums would gang-beat local College students for no reason other than their frustration of living in West Philly under less than ideal condidtions. There was little question in my mind that I was about to be robbed. Hopefully you can understand what I was thinking at the time, at 3:00 a.m, alone...

When I saw the man reach into his coat, I pulled open my overshirt and put my hand on my weapon, telling the man to get his hand out of his jacket. Whether the man was pulling a weapon on me and saw I had better position, or he wanted to show me something totally unrelated, I was really sweating and in fear of bodily harm when this happened. Thankfully, the man backed off, took his hand out of his jacket slowly, and went back to his bicycle. He called me a racist, and I told him I didn't car if he was black, white, or purple! He pedaled off into the night.

The reason I carry is because I never want to be in a situation where I cannot protect myself if I can not get away. I don't want to be a statistic who gets ganged up on by local thugs, or carjacked and shot while minding my own business. These things can happen in the most crime-ridden neighborhoods, or Beverly Hills. It's not a good idea to be naive and think nothing will ever happen to you. That's not to say you should be a paranoid survivalist either.

If you can take on the massive responsibility of carring a weapon, and understand the laws of the land governing its use, then I think you do yourself (and your family) a great service.

Boy, I wrote a lot... Sorry...

Sorry, I let it get off track.

I understand where you're coming from.

I am in Ft lauderdale Florida right now although I will be moving to small town GA next weekend.

Year and a half ago my wife woke me up at 3am on a Sunday morning (she's not much of a sleeper) to tell me the next door neighbor (We had a condo then) was drunk and shouting at the top of his lungs again. She went on to tell me that she knocked on the wall to ask him to knock it off (as we had done in the past).

This time though he told her that he was going to SHOOT her (the walls were so thin that a round would have went through 4-5 condos).

She dialed 911, then woke me up.

I grabbed my .40 and waited for the cops. And waited, and waited.

I stuck my head out the door to look for the police when he tore out of his condo pointing a revolver straight at me.

I fired first missing him by a hair. He literally sh!t his pants and went back inside and called 911 himself. Just then the cops showed and dragged his a$$ to county (he had a long record and a bad history in the condo).

Don't know where I'd be today if it weren't for my gun.

[Thunderkiss]

Thanks for getting this topic back on track and posting a good reply. The NRA magazine, "American Rifleman" has great self-defense stories in their "The Armed Citizen" section. They are encouraging stories of responsible and armed adults using justified force with a handgun to protect life or property.

I started this thread. The title is "Who keeps a firearm in their vehicle?"

Maybe it's just me, but if I didn't keep a gun in the car, I wouldn't bother posting in it.

There are many threads I don't look at because the title lets me know that I have no interest in it or it doesn't pertain to me.

But some people believe that their opinion is the only one and that they will change the way others think. And if they can't, they will call people uneducated.

I refer to these people as trolls.

[Dysentery Bob]

Hopefully I can get this thread back on track and away from the bash-fest it has become between certain members :).

Yes I have had to use my weapon in order to get out of a situation.

3:00 a.m. -- I parked my car near my old apartment, and started walking down N. 32nd street towards my building. I am wearing jeans, a t-shirt, and an unbuttoned long-sleeve over my t-shirt to conceal my out-of-the-pants holster with my Glock 22C inside. Someone rides up to me on a bicycle, and gives me a saga story about he needs money for medicine for his daughter. He said that she needed asthema medicine. I reminded him that it was 3:00 a.m. on a Saturday and there was no way he was getting medicine for anyone. I told him to have a good night, and started to walk away. After a few paces, the man called out to me to "wait up," and a turned around. He told me he wanted to show me something, and came towards me, reaching into the inside of his jacket. I had had just about enough at this point.

To understand the nature of this story, you must understand the nature of the city I live in at the time that this happened. I simply lived in a bad neighborhood.

Crime Stats for Philly (http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Philadelphia&state=NY)

Crime Stats for New York City (http://http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=New%20York&state=NY)

Poeple were getting strongarmed left and right around Drexel and UPenn's campuses, even in broad daylight. Gangs of high-school hoodlums would gang-beat local College students for no reason other than their frustration of living in West Philly under less than ideal condidtions. There was little question in my mind that I was about to be robbed. Hopefully you can understand what I was thinking at the time, at 3:00 a.m, alone...

When I saw the man reach into his coat, I pulled open my overshirt and put my hand on my weapon, telling the man to get his hand out of his jacket. Whether the man was pulling a weapon on me and saw I had better position, or he wanted to show me something totally unrelated, I was really sweating and in fear of bodily harm when this happened. Thankfully, the man backed off, took his hand out of his jacket slowly, and went back to his bicycle. He called me a racist, and I told him I didn't car if he was black, white, or purple! He pedaled off into the night.

The reason I carry is because I never want to be in a situation where I cannot protect myself if I can not get away. I don't want to be a statistic who gets ganged up on by local thugs, or carjacked and shot while minding my own business. These things can happen in the most crime-ridden neighborhoods, or Beverly Hills. It's not a good idea to be naive and think nothing will ever happen to you. That's not to say you should be a paranoid survivalist either.

If you can take on the massive responsibility of carring a weapon, and understand the laws of the land governing its use, then I think you do yourself (and your family) a great service.

Boy, I wrote a lot... Sorry...

All I have to say is that your assumption is correct, you were about to be robbed. The only thing that bothered me about this is letting him get close enough to have a conversation and then turning around and walking away. I would have never turned my back or even allowed a person ride up on me.

Especially since you live in the Garden of Eden that you do. I worked for a number of years in Savannah Ga and our crime stats put us on the map as the highest per population percentage. Same environment as your, high segment of the population in an environment that breed this type of activity.

http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Savannah&state=GA

Possibly next time, pull your gun and point at suspect and loudly tell him not to hurt you, rob you or kill you. When we are fighting a suspect were always yell, "...please stop fighting..." loudly. That way if there are witnesses, you will remember our statements. Same goes with "..Drop the (insert weapon)..."

Good read. I have to agree with Epoc, like your graphic under your post. True statement.

[06sxt06]

I can understand having a gun at home... but in your car? (Well, if you live in a place like Oakland, it's understandable why you might be paranoid, one of the highest murder rates in the country). Me myself wanted a .22 for personal protection AT HOME. However, in the car? That might provoke road rage at its worst!

I'm damn glad I live in California! We are not hippie liberals, we just have a bit more of common sense!

[Glock22]

I can understand having a gun at home... but in your car? (Well, if you live in a place like Oakland, it's understandable why you might be paranoid, one of the highest murder rates in the country). Me myself wanted a .22 for personal protection AT HOME. However, in the car? That might provoke road rage at its worst!

I'm damn glad I live in California! We are not hippie liberals, we just have a bit more of common sense!

Commiefornia is the home of the crystal gripping hippie liberals. If you people had 1 ounce of sense you would allow your citizens the right to open carry. But no, you people have some of the most asinine gun laws ever. Hopefully that S-hole of a “state” will break off the continent so us people in AZ don’t have to deal with any more commiefornia morons coming over here and trying to change things.

I can tell your from CA as you have no common sense when it comes to guns. Only a commifornia citizen would consider a .22 for home protection. Your just like every other sheeple over there has adopted the "if its powerful its evil" way of thinking (.50 cal ban) Im sure you also subscribe to the "if it holds more than 10 bullets its evil" ideology. Crazy gun laws only hurt law-abiding citizens. Criminals by definition do not care what gun laws say; they will own/carry what ever they want.

In short, stay out of conversations that you cant understand.


To answer the main question in this thread. I pretty much carry when ever im going anywhere other than work. (or other places where firearms are not allowed).

[Thunderkiss]

Commiefornia is the home of the crystal gripping hippie liberals. If you people had 1 ounce of sense you would allow your citizens the right to open carry. But no, you people have some of the most asinine gun laws ever. Hopefully that S-hole of a “state” will break off the continent so us people in AZ don’t have to deal with any more commiefornia morons coming over here and trying to change things.

I can tell your from CA as you have no common sense when it comes to guns. Only a commifornia citizen would consider a .22 for home protection. Your just like every other sheeple over there has adopted the "if its powerful its evil" way of thinking (.50 cal ban) Im sure you also subscribe to the "if it holds more than 10 bullets its evil" ideology. Crazy gun laws only hurt law-abiding citizens. Criminals by definition do not care what gun laws say; they will own/carry what ever they want.

In short, stay out of conversations that you cant understand.


To answer the main question in this thread. I pretty much carry when ever im going anywhere other than work. (or other places where firearms are not allowed).

What's the use? The "subjects" in the People's Republic of California aren't going to change their minds no matter what facts are presented.

Very open-minded people there! They won't let the facts get in the way of how they "feel".

[Glock22]

What's the use? The "subjects" in the People's Republic of California aren't going to change their minds no matter what facts are presented.

Very open-minded people there! They won't let the facts get in the way of how they "feel".


I know, its sad really. Oh well, they must enjoy thier crime and lack of rights.

[06sxt06]

For some reason we pay your guy's well fare check. Richest state in the nation and most populated. We are the reason that you guys can even afford a Dodge Charger.

[Thunderkiss]

For some reason we pay your guy's well fare check. Richest state in the nation and most populated. We are the reason that you guys can even afford a Dodge Charger.

Very intelligent response. Welfare (that is the way it is spelled), hmmmm? How much of that is dished out in Cali? Let me see: East LA, Watts. Yeah, I guess no tax dollars go there.

Drive bys, gang wars, race riots, mud slides, earthquakes. You must be so proud!

And, oh yeah, my six rental properties paid for my R/T.

But if you're from California you probably think it's evil for others to acquire wealth.

California: That's right, the home of more limousine-liberals than any other state. They hate the rich, except themselves!

[06sxt06]

I think it is evil to aquire wealth? Hmmmm... no, I believe in capitalism. If a person get's rich on his own, it is because he is doing something right. Hmmm, sure, we hate the rich cuz they employ us, the average people. C'mon man, make more sense.

You are just like when people started talking crap about Bush's tax cut "tax cut for the rich, not the average joe." Well, if the rich has a tax cut, that means he can invest more in machinery and hire more workers... People just don't get it. By the way, what Bush did with the tax cut was the same exact think JFK did in the 60's.

Wonder why us Californians are so hated? Maybe cuz we are all rich compared to the averge joe shmoe in the rest of the nation? (Yeah, the average house over here is about $560,000)


N E ways, I though this was a CHARGER FORUM? Lets just get along and get politics aside... thats why we vote.

[moparfan]

(In my best Harry Caray imitation)

Juuuust a bit off topic.

Back to the question, I'm seriously considering getting a licensed weapon for my vehicle after all these posts by the guys about stealing my hood for GoDaddy. LOL! :laugh:

[a14umbra]

You are just like when people started talking crap about Bush's tax cut "tax cut for the rich, not the average joe." Well, if the rich has a tax cut, that means he can invest more in machinery and hire more workers... People just don't get it. By the way, what Bush did with the tax cut was the same exact think JFK did in the 60's.
N E ways, I though this was a CHARGER FORUM? Lets just get along and get politics aside... thats why we vote.

It's amazing how much we all really agree in the end.

[Thunderkiss]

(In my best Harry Caray imitation)

Juuuust a bit off topic.

Back to the question, I'm seriously considering getting a licensed weapon for my vehicle after all these posts by the guys about stealing my hood for GoDaddy. LOL! :laugh:

LOL!!!

[a14umbra]

LOL!!!


LOL!!!^2

[moparfan]

LOL!!!^2

Don't laugh.

Just because of those posts I am actually looking on the web for hood locks/pins right now. :grin: (j/k)

Actually, more afraid of the whole vehicle being stolen. It's not like the insurance can just replace the SRT8. It would be many months without a Charger if someone did steal it.

I'm getting nervous about this car now. Like painting a big, red target on it. :sad:

[Thunderkiss]

I think it is evil to aquire wealth? Hmmmm... no, I believe in capitalism. If a person get's rich on his own, it is because he is doing something right. Hmmm, sure, we hate the rich cuz they employ us, the average people. C'mon man, make more sense.

You are just like when people started talking crap about Bush's tax cut "tax cut for the rich, not the average joe." Well, if the rich has a tax cut, that means he can invest more in machinery and hire more workers... People just don't get it. By the way, what Bush did with the tax cut was the same exact think JFK did in the 60's.

Wonder why us Californians are so hated? Maybe cuz we are all rich compared to the averge joe shmoe in the rest of the nation? (Yeah, the average house over here is about $560,000)


N E ways, I though this was a CHARGER FORUM? Lets just get along and get politics aside... thats why we vote.

I think you will find that we agree on much. I agree about the tax cuts. I agree about jobs being created. I agree that wealth is not evil.

What I don't understand about California is the restrictions on gun laws (there are some other things but that is the topic of this thread). It is indeed a fact that the states with the highest crime rates have the most restrictive firearms laws.

What this does is take away the ability of the lawful citizen to defend themselves from those that act outside of the law. Criminals in southern states have to think twice before they climb through the window of that house with the 3500 pickup w/ the gun rack.

Not to mention that the first thing that the most oppressive regimes in history (Soviet, Nazi, various African dictatorships) do is to disarm the citizenry.

It may seem far-fetched and you may think it could never happen in this country but hasn't it started in the main states of New York, California and Massachusetts? Things like this tend to snowball. Then only criminals and the government will have guns. I don't know which one scares me the most.

[moparfan]

What this does is take away the ability of the lawful citizen to defend themselves from those that act outside of the law.

This is somewhat "on topic", so I'd like to respond.

This sounds just like the crap that Charton Heston spouts with his "gun credo". You know it...

"A gun is not a good thing, a gun is not a bad thing. A gun in the hands of a bad man is a bad thing. A gun in the hands of a good man is no threat except to the bad man."

Tell that to the "good parents" of children who have found their loaded weapons and shot themselves, their relatives or their friends.

Tens of thousands of innocent people will be killed by guns this year and every year to come unless we get some control. Are we saying we can't do as good as some of the European countries that have very little gun violence and don't even arm their "street police" because it isn't necessary?

The "Wild West" is gone. I understand protecting your life and your loved one's lives from bad people, but when the protection becomes the threat (that's not my opinion, that is a fact per statistics) you have to wonder if it's worth it.

Just my 2¢

[06sxt06]

Mopar fan, you have a really good point. That is one of the reason's californias law's are so restrictive. Another reason is because of the gang warfare that began in the 70's. And ofcourse, they don't want to give a weapon to some idiot that beats his wife every night.

Hmmmm, while we are restrictive on guns, we are "lite" on marijuana :whistle:

[moparfan]

"lite" on marijuana :whistle:

Yep... that's how it is administered. :smoke:

[CO-Charger]

This is somewhat "on topic", so I'd like to respond.

This sounds just like the crap that Charton Heston spouts with his "gun credo". You know it...

"A gun is not a good thing, a gun is not a bad thing. A gun in the hands of a bad man is a bad thing. A gun in the hands of a good man is no threat except to the bad man."

Tell that to the "good parents" of children who have found their loaded weapons and shot themselves, their relatives or their friends.

Tens of thousands of innocent people will be killed by guns this year and every year to come unless we get some control. Are we saying we can't do as good as some of the European countries that have very little gun violence and don't even arm their "street police" because it isn't necessary?

The "Wild West" is gone. I understand protecting your life and your loved one's lives from bad people, but when the protection becomes the threat (that's not my opinion, that is a fact per statistics) you have to wonder if it's worth it.

Just my 2¢Please site your sources that "... Tens of thousands of innocent people will be killed by guns this year...". Sorry, on this point I say bulls*it. How does banning gun ownership help this situation yet maintain out rights. Those are called "accidents" and the blame is on the idiot parents who didn't store the weapon properly and didn't educate thier kids properly to STAY AWAY from this and NEVER TOUCH it if they even saw the thing. If we have to save the kids, then we'd better ban swimming pools, cars, and other items that have contributed to the accidental death of kids. Just curious, how does a gun in the hands of a law abiding citizen threaten you? I'd be more afraid of the citizen who doesn't know how to handle their cars more than a citizen who owns a gun.

EDIT:
I did a little digging. Found the CDC site and requested the stats for all firearm deaths for victims 0-18 years of age from 2000-2002 (3 years, 2002 was the latest or I would have gone more current). Granted this figure contains ALL firearm deaths, so in some cases it is a case of murder not an accident. I also read a statistic (while search for this one) that 2/3rds of firearm deaths are usually a result of suiside. Those too would not be accidents. So, based on CDC from 2000-2002, the number of firearm deaths for victims 0-18 was ... 6438 or about 2100 per year. A far cry from "tens of thousands per year". Of those 2100 a great portion of them are not accidents and there for I wouldn't consider the victims to be "innocent".

With all that said, I am not saying that people being harmed, killed or maimed by firearms isn't tragic. But there are many ways in our society that tragic events happen. The problem with firearms is not the firearms themselves, but who is using them improperly that needs to be addressed. NRA is a good starting place for law abiding citizens to better understand a firearm they may chose to purchase. Tougher laws against people who use firearms in the wrong way (murder, robbery, or other crimes, not accidents) should help as well.

[moparfan]

Please site your sources that "... Tens of thousands of innocent people will be killed by guns this year...".

Look it up on the Internet, I'm not your information officer.

Those are called "accidents" and the blame is on the idiot parents who didn't store the weapon properly and didn't educate thier kids properly to STAY AWAY from this and NEVER TOUCH it if they even saw the thing.

Agreed. There are tens of thousands of idiot parents out there with guns that DO leave them loaded (easier to protect my family!) and DON'T educate their kids

If we have to save the kids, then we'd better ban swimming pools, cars, and other items that have contributed to the accidental death of kids.

Ludicrous, fallacious arguments. Guns and everyday items are not an equivalent comparison. Bad debate choice there.

Just curious, how does a gun in the hands of a law abiding citizen threaten you?

When their child finds it and shows it to my child and shoots them accidentally.

I think this thread has become too political. Simple question, do you carry one in your vehicle. I say no. It is not secure and could easily lead to a road-rage incident where another innocent victim would be killed needlessly.

[Thunderkiss]

This is somewhat "on topic", so I'd like to respond.

This sounds just like the crap that Charton Heston spouts with his "gun credo". You know it...

"A gun is not a good thing, a gun is not a bad thing. A gun in the hands of a bad man is a bad thing. A gun in the hands of a good man is no threat except to the bad man."

Tell that to the "good parents" of children who have found their loaded weapons and shot themselves, their relatives or their friends.

Tens of thousands of innocent people will be killed by guns this year and every year to come unless we get some control. Are we saying we can't do as good as some of the European countries that have very little gun violence and don't even arm their "street police" because it isn't necessary?

The "Wild West" is gone. I understand protecting your life and your loved one's lives from bad people, but when the protection becomes the threat (that's not my opinion, that is a fact per statistics) you have to wonder if it's worth it.

Just my 2¢

Whose statistics? You name Charleton Heston like he's a crackpot and then there's Michael Moore on the other side making fiction and calling it fact.

You want facts? In 99.9% of the violent crimes committed the "protectors", the police (the government), show up after the crime is committed.

If protecting myself and my loved ones from criminals means I have to take a so-called "Wild West" mentality, I guess you'll have one more stereo-typical redneck, whatever, to use as a punchline.

As Mark Twain said:
There are liars, damn liars, and those that quote statistics.

PS- Wow, another Europe worshipper, when are you all just gonna go live there?

[Thunderkiss]

I think this thread has become too political. Simple question, do you carry one in your vehicle. I say no. It is not secure and could easily lead to a road-rage incident where another innocent victim would be killed needlessly.

Another example of someone who knows their limitations.

You know that you are out of control and will shoot someone who cuts you off.

As for the other 97% of us with self-control, we can have a gun and not be tempted to do that.

Thanks for showing your true colors. Now if you just stopped going to the Moveon.org school of statistics you might be a decent taxpayer.

Good luck with that!

[moparfan]

Whose statistics?

Here are just a few. (from 1995, but it illustrates the point)

In 1995 a firearm was the weapon used in about 7 out of 10 murders in the United States. In 1994, there were 39,720 firearm-related deaths in the United States; 13,593 people were murdered with handguns; 20,540 committed suicide by using firearms; 1,610 people were killed accidentally with firearms; and the remaining 3,977 died from other firearm-related incidents including self-defense; justifiable use of force by a law enforcement officer; and homicide using a firearm other than a handgun. About 1.3 million violent crimes were reported which included the use of firearm, more than 86% of them involved a handgun.

More U.S. teens aged 15-19 die of gunshot wounds than of all natural causes combined, and firearms are involved in 65% of all suicides among persons under the age of 25.

An estimated 150,000 people are treated annually in U.S. hospital emergency units for nonfatal gun-related injuries and approximately 80,000 require admission for in-patient care. Cost estimates range from $1.4 billion to $4.0 billion annually in direct medical costs and $19 billion annually in indirect costs, such as lost future earnings, permanent disability, etc. An estimated 86% of gun shot victims receiving medical treatment in hospital emergency units are uninsured or insured by Medicaid, so tax payers bear most of the cost of their medical care.

The F.B.I.'s stolen gun file contains over 2 million reports, 60% of which are reports of stolen handguns, although handguns represent only one third of all firearms privately owned in the U.S.

And another interesting thought:

But while we might not "blame" the swimming pool, bathtub or lighter for an accidental death, we would certainly hold the owner and/or manufacturer responsible if their negligence or defective design were responsible for the accident. (Which raises the question of how any death or injury by a firearm can be considered "accidental" when the purpose for which the firearm is designed is to cause death or injury.)

PS- Wow, another Europe worshipper, when are you all just gonna go live there?

I love this country and would never leave it. But to say it has no room for any improvement and couldn't learn a few things from other countries/people, is the most arrogant statement anyone could make.

"Love it or leave it"... all or nothing with the unquestioning "patriots".

[moparfan]

You know that you are out of control and will shoot someone who cuts you off.

Actually, it's not me I'm worried about... it's the other guy who is out of control and decides to carry a handgun in his car that I'm worried about.

Actually, I want peace man. We both have our opinions on this subject and better men than you or I have debated this endlessly. It won't be settled here, but opinions can be expressed and discussed.

[Thunderkiss]

We both have our opinions on this subject and better men than you or I have debated this endlessly.

I think this is where will be able to agree.

I just can't believe my thread got hijacked by hippies.

[moparfan]

I think this is where will be able to agree.

I just can't believe my thread got hijacked by hippies.

Glad we agree to disagree. That's what makes this country so great.

(now if we'd just get the FCC to keep their noses out of our business, it would be even better!)

I'll take that as a compliment.

"Hippy" was always a "term of endearment" to me. :happy:

[a14umbra]

Glad we agree to disagree. That's what makes this country so great.

(now if we'd just get the FCC to keep their noses out of our business, it would be even better!)

I'll take that as a compliment.

"Hippy" was always a "term of endearment" to me. :happy:


That's it! From now on, I surf porn. :)

[moparfan]

Just one more little thought on this and I'll call it a night.

I compare handguns in this country to nuclear weapons escalation.

He has one so I have to have one. He has two so I have to have two.. etc, etc.

Inevitable outcome: Mexican standoff

Protecting yourself is a right in this country and I'd never want that denied to anyone. But escalating a problem isn't a solution either.

It's like the nuclear escalation.. runaway freight train with no "emergency stop". We have to live with the good and bad of "right to bear arms", but let's all hope for humanities' sake that we use our heads and realize, violence begets violence... always.

[moparfan]

That's it! From now on, I surf porn. :)


PM me... I have some good "links" for ya. LOL!! :drool:

[CO-Charger]

Look it up on the Internet, I'm not your information officer.See my post. Edited for statistics found via CDC.

Ludicrous, fallacious arguments. Guns and everyday items are not an equivalent comparison. Bad debate choice there.I disagree. Guns, Swimming Pools and Car are all everyday items. People carry guns with them (not everyone, but there are people that do). People drive their cars. They are tools of humans to perform a purpose. One kills when used for the purpose of killing (the use of a gun at a practice range rarely if ever causes a death on purpose), the other provides transportation. However, when used inappropriately both are just a deadly. Swimming Pools are inert, they just sit there and cannot do anything unless we interact with them. Just like a handgun just sits there until interacted with. A gun will not go off all by itself, a human has to interact with it (i.e. pull the trigger). Yet if either of them are left out in the open (swimming pools are hard to hide but I guess you could create a locked gate for them) and leave kids unsupervised in there viscinity so that curious kids will try to play with (in) them, then accidents can happen.

We'll just have to agree to disagree, but I think if anyone makes an argument against guns because of the accidents that can happen with them, then they have to acknowledge that there are far more dangerous things out there that can also cause accidental deaths.

When their child finds it and shows it to my child and shoots them accidentally.But its not the gun that is threatening you, it is the stupid parent of the other child who leaves a gun out where a child can find it a play with it. Again, it is not the GUN that is the problem. What if the child finds a hammer and does not know that hitting your child in the head will harm him. Does the hammer threaten you too?

I think this thread has become too political. Simple question, do you carry one in your vehicle. I say no. It is not secure and could easily lead to a road-rage incident where another innocent victim would be killed needlessly.That is your choice as a free citizen just as I myself do not even own a gun. But I realized what freedom is and the rights that our fore-fathers gave us. The right to bear arms defined in the 2nd amendment is the basis for which keeps us free people. Its not the goodness of the government, but the ability of the people to protect themselves from agressors (both internally and externally) that will keep us free.

[moparfan]

Oh crap! Cardinal sin in debating. You asked me to name my sources and I didn't for the statistics I posted.

(I happen to agree with Mark Twain on the statistics quote - unless they can be substantiated and directly linked to the discussion)

Here they are for the record:

Guns Used in Crime: Firearms, Crime, and Criminal Justice-Selected Findings. No. 5. Rockville, MD: U.S. Dept of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics: 1995. Publication no. NCJ-148201.

Cook PJ, Ludwig J. Guns in America: National Survey of Private Ownership and Use of Firearms. National Institute of Justice Research in Brief. Rockville, MD: U.S. Dept of Justice, Office of Justice Programs, National Institute of Justice; 1997. Common Core of Data [public-use database]. Washington, DC: National Center for Education Statistics, U.S. Dept of Education; 1994.

U.S. Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics. Sourcebook of Criminal Statistics-1994. Washington, DC: U.S. Dept of Justice; 1995.

Advance Data From Vital and Health Statistics of the National Center for Health Statistics. Rockville, MD: U.S. Dept of Health, Education, and Welfare, Public Health Service, Health Resources Administration; 1994;242:1-12.

Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice. Handguns used in more than one million violent crimes; the use of semi-automatic guns in murders is increasing. Press release, July 9, 1995.

Ash P, Kellermann AL, Fuqua-Whitley D, Johnson A. Gun acquisition and use by juvenile offenders. JAMA. 1996;275:1754-8.

Suicide among children, adolescents, and young adults-United States. MMWR Morb Mortal Wkly Rep. 1995;44:289-91.

Annest JL, Mercy JA, Gibson DR, Ryan GW. National estimates of nonfatal firearm-related injuries. Beyond the tip of the iceberg, JAMA. 1995;273:1749-54.

Rice DR, MacKenzie EJ. Cost of Injury in the United States: A Report to Congress. San Francisco: Institute for Health and Aging, University of California; Baltimore, MD: Injury Prevention Center, Johns Hopkins University; 1989.

Kizer KW, Vassar MJ, Harry RL, Layton KD. Hospitalization charges, costs, and income for firearm-related injuries at a university trauma center. JAMA. 1995;273:1768-73.

Max W, Rice DP. Shooting in the dark: estimating the costs of firearm injuries. Health Aff (Millwood). 1993;12:171-85.

Headden S. Guns, money and medicine. U.S. News & World Report. 1 July 1996.

General Accounting Office. Trauma Care: Lifesaving System Threatened by Unreimbursed Costs and Other Factors. Report to the Chairman, Subcommittee on Health for Families and the Uninsured, U.S. Senate Committee on Finance. Washington, DC: General Accounting Office; 1991. Publication no. GAO/HRD-91-57.]

[moparfan]

We'll just have to agree to disagree, but I think if anyone makes an argument against guns because of the accidents that can happen with them, then they have to acknowledge that there are far more dangerous things out there that can also cause accidental deaths.

Good arguments and we will agree to disagree on this subject.

But I would like to point out that everything you've cited as examples of "accidental death" were not "tools" made specifically to kill. A gun is. It has no other real purpose. (target shooting is to.. what.. improve your shooting skills... for... using a tool that was designed to kill)

Anyway, I agree that we should defend the 2nd amendment and support the Constitution in all it's glory. But it is a guideline. I am the very last one to support more government involvement... just asking people to police themselves.

[Dysentery Bob]

Nice Post. Nice to see where everyone stands. Given the current practice of making statisical figures fit your political agenda, I tend to look at these stats with distrust.

My view, if you want to give up your guns, then do so. Place a big ol sign in your yard, neighborhood stating that your house and community is gun free.

My only concern is when you want to take my rights away. Now if you want, I'll give up my 2nd if you give up your 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8.

You also must look at the fact that if you give up your ability to protect yourself and start to rely upon the police to do so, then you have already lost the battle. You can never trust anyone but yourself with the defense of your and your loved one's lives.

Now I must go and take a BC powder (headache) and follow it with a coke.

[XXL HEMI]

Fire arms not allowed in Cali as they are considered to be illegal unless they are locked up in the trunk. Carrying a concealed weapon in a moving vehicle is a felony.

[06sxt06]

Yup, this law is is meant to prevent other incidents such as the I-580 of a couple a years ago, where road rage led to a driver pulling out his gun and shooting another driver to death.

[06sxt06]

By the way... lets make peace and smoke a toke :whistle:

J/K... you in the south carry a gun, us in the west carry a sack.

[Glock22]

Tell that to the "good parents" of children who have found their loaded weapons and shot themselves, their relatives or their friends.

This is a good thing; do we want another generation of dumbasses out there? Good parents aren’t good parents if their child kills its self with a gun found in the home. Common sense always prevails.


Tens of thousands of innocent people will be killed by guns this year and every year to come unless we get some control. Are we saying we can't do as good as some of the European countries that have very little gun violence and don't even arm their "street police" because it isn't necessary?

The amount of people saved by firearms out numbers the amount killed. 9/11 wouldn’t have happened if they allowed firearms on planes.

Do we really need more control? NO, we need more laws that allow citizens to protect them selves and their property. Like i said before, restrictive gun laws only hurt law-abiding citizens. Criminals will own/carry whatever gun they want regardless of what the law says.

Sure Europe has very little gun violence but i would wager that non-gun violence is proportionally higher. Violence will occur regardless. Lets ban everything that could possibly be used as a weapon so little miss soccer mom can feel safe.


The "Wild West" is gone. I understand protecting your life and your loved one's lives from bad people, but when the protection becomes the threat (that's not my opinion, that is a fact per statistics) you have to wonder if it's worth it.

Just my 2¢

This logic is simply idiotic. Please show me your statistics, or for that matter anything that backs this statement.

[06sxt06]

If guns were to be allowed in airplanes, 9/11's would occure no more. However, there are so many nut cases out there that I would doubt some idiot would hijack a plance for a kilo of crack.

[Glock22]

Mopar fan, you have a really good point. That is one of the reason's californias law's are so restrictive. Another reason is because of the gang warfare that began in the 70's. And ofcourse, they don't want to give a weapon to some idiot that beats his wife every night.

Hmmmm, while we are restrictive on guns, we are "lite" on marijuana :whistle:

California’s laws are so restrictive because the masses are stupid. Media brain washing played a major part in getting most of these laws passed.

Hmm, they made all kinds of restrictive laws but did that stop the violence? NO! Major gang activity lasted well into the 90's (obviously still exists today but not to the extent that it once did)

Not only did the laws not stop the violence but it hurt the average citizen.

Enjoy your lack of rights.

[06sxt06]

Most guns out here in California are illegal. In fact, you can probably get an illegal russian AK-47 over here within a couple of days.

What California does not want is some looney geting a gun legally. Its a way for the citizens of the state to feel more relax and for the government of california to wash their hand from crime.

However, I still agree with california law, simply 'cuz I dont want no looney to get a gun legally. It does not prevent gang violence, however, if you have been accused of domestic violence, you are for sure not getting a gun (too many loonies out here killing their wives [Scott Peterson]).

[06sxt06]

Okay, you guys in the South want gun rights, right? Us in the West want to legalize marijuana.

So, what do you guys think of legalizing marijuana?

[Glock22]

Most guns out here in California are illegal. In fact, you can probably get an illegal russian AK-47 over here within a couple of days.

I should hope you could obtain an AK in a couple of days. AK-47's are not illegal.


What California does not want is some looney geting a gun legally. Its a way for the citizens of the state to feel more relax and for the government of california to wash their hand from crime.

However, I still agree with california law, simply 'cuz I dont want no looney to get a gun legally. It does not prevent gang violence, however, if you have been accused of domestic violence, you are for sure not getting a gun (too many loonies out here killing their wives [Scott Peterson]).

Why should 100% of the public be punished for the .1% of people that should not own a gun?

Its a way for the ignorant commifornia resident to have a false sense of safety. As stated numerous times banning guns does not stop crime. Criminals will own/carry guns regardless of what the law says. Restrictive gun laws only hurt the law abiding citizens.

If you actually knew anything about guns or gun laws you would know that felons cannot own firearms. Pretty sure a dealer cannot sell a gun to anyone who has been convicted of a domestic violence crime or currently has a restraining order placed against them.

Furthermore, people where killed long before guns where invented, and will still be killed long after they are banned.

[Glock22]

Okay, you guys in the South want gun rights, right? Us in the West want to legalize marijuana.

So, what do you guys think of legalizing marijuana?

I personally could care less what somone else does to them selves. Look at gun bans like the ban on drugs. Law abiding citizens are restricted. Criminals do what ever they want.

[06sxt06]

We are not commies!

Callin us commies is like calling you guys rednecks.


Yeah, but how about the road rage factor? Most people who committ road rage have never been accused of a crime.

[Thunderkiss]

I should hope you could obtain an AK in a couple of days. AK-47's are not illegal.

I have a Chinese made AK and it is legal as long as it is not full-auto. Any full auto is illegal w/o a class 3 permit (I believe that is the classification) and they only give those to law enforcement or some gun shops.

The drug addict hippies are most worried about those.

[Thunderkiss]

Callin us commies is like calling you guys rednecks.


Us "rednecks" turn on a TV show or go to the movies and there is the culture of Hollywood (which is becoming the dominent epistemology among children) calling us names, portraying us as toothless, uneducated buffoons who fu|< our sisters and play the banjo.

This happens everyday!!!!!!!

And when we decide to do a lil name-calling back it's not OK.

"Oh, Hollywood isn't serious."

MY A$$.

I followed the last election.

According to the beachhead of education today I never went to college (I have a Bachelors in philosophy), I hate minorites (I am Hispanic and proud of it), I want the government to be able to walk into my house whenever they feel like it (Believe me, I will die trying to keep them out), etc, etc, etc.

So please don't get upset if I, or anyone that may think like I do, do a lil name-calling. We get to hear it everyday, from every media outlet.

[Dysentery Bob]

I have a Chinese made AK and it is legal as long as it is not full-auto. Any full auto is illegal w/o a class 3 permit (I believe that is the classification) and they only give those to law enforcement or some gun shops.

The drug addict hippies are most worried about those.

Dirty, you too can apply for a class III weapon license. That would include a silenced weapon, a short barreled rifle/shotgun and or a fully auto firearm. The class III license is for life and is abled to be passed down tou your heirs.

[Glock22]

I have a Chinese made AK and it is legal as long as it is not full-auto. Any full auto is illegal w/o a class 3 permit (I believe that is the classification) and they only give those to law enforcement or some gun shops.

The drug addict hippies are most worried about those.

Anyone who can own a firearm can leagally own a full auto once you go though the process to get a tax stamp. That is unless your state laws say different.

[Dysentery Bob]

Okay, you guys in the South want gun rights, right? Us in the West want to legalize marijuana.

So, what do you guys think of legalizing marijuana?

I could careless what you do in the privacy of your own home. So long as your actions don't interfer with my freedoms or my safety, you can smoke a pound of pot a day for the rest of your life, I don't care. My only concern lies in the fact that most people will then get in their cars and drive or perform other activities that endanger the lives of others.

I could careless what the people of California does within the borders of their state. As for legalizing marijuana in my state, no. I think it's a bad idea and would promote and encourage the use of other types of drugs.

JMOH

[DAYTONA_R/T]

Okay, you guys in the South want gun rights, right? Us in the West want to legalize marijuana.

So, what do you guys think of legalizing marijuana?

some of us guys in the west want gun rights and dont give a damn about marijuana......

[Glock22]

We are not commies!

Callin us commies is like calling you guys rednecks.


Yeah, but how about the road rage factor? Most people who committ road rage have never been accused of a crime.

Who cares? As stated many times before. Violence will occur regardless of gun laws. Sheeple like your self can not understand this very simple fact.

[Madman]

I carry everyday. Concealed carry reduces crime.

Violent crime rates are highest overall in states with laws severely limiting or prohibiting the carrying of concealed firearms for self-defense. (FBI Uniform Crime Reports, 1992) -

The total Violent Crime Rate is 26% higher in the restrictive states (798.3 per 100,000 pop.) than in the less restrictive states (631.6 per 100,000).

The Homicide Rate is 49% higher in the restrictive states (10.1 per 100,000) than in the states with less restrictive CCW laws (6.8 per 100,000).

The Robbery Rate is 58% higher in the restrictive states (289.7 per 100,000) than in the less restrictive states (183.1 per 100,000).

The Aggravated Assault Rate is 15% higher in the restrictive states (455.9 per 100,000) than in the less restrictive states (398.3 per 100,000). Using the most recent FBI data (1992), homicide trends in the 17 states with less restrictive CCW laws compare favorably against national trends, and almost all CCW permittees are law-abiding.

Since adopting CCW (1987), Florida's homicide rate has fallen 21% while the U.S. rate has risen 12%. From start-up 10/1/87 2/28/94 (over 6 yrs.) Florida issued 204,108 permits; only 17 (0.008%) were revoked because permittees later committed crimes (not necessarily violent) in which guns were present (not necessarily used).

Of 14,000 CCW licensees in Oregon, only 4 (0.03%) were convicted of the criminal (not necessarily violent) use or possession of a firearm. Americans use firearms for self-defense more than 2.1 million times annually.

By contrast, there are about 579,000 violent crimes committed annually with firearms of all types. Seventy percent of violent crimes are committed by 7% of criminals, including repeat offenders, many of whom the courts place on probation after conviction, and felons that are paroled before serving their full time behind bars.

Two-thirds of self-protective firearms uses are with handguns.

99.9% of self-defense firearms uses do not result in fatal shootings of criminals, an important factor ignored in certain "studies" that are used to claim that guns are more often misused than used for self-protection. Of incarcerated felons surveyed by the Department of Justice, 34% have been driven away, wounded, or captured by armed citizens; 40% have decided against committing crimes for fear their would-be victims were armed.

[Glock22]

I carry everyday. Concealed carry reduces crime.

Violent crime rates are highest overall in states with laws severely limiting or prohibiting the carrying of concealed firearms for self-defense. (FBI Uniform Crime Reports, 1992) -

The total Violent Crime Rate is 26% higher in the restrictive states (798.3 per 100,000 pop.) than in the less restrictive states (631.6 per 100,000).

The Homicide Rate is 49% higher in the restrictive states (10.1 per 100,000) than in the states with less restrictive CCW laws (6.8 per 100,000).

The Robbery Rate is 58% higher in the restrictive states (289.7 per 100,000) than in the less restrictive states (183.1 per 100,000).

The Aggravated Assault Rate is 15% higher in the restrictive states (455.9 per 100,000) than in the less restrictive states (398.3 per 100,000). Using the most recent FBI data (1992), homicide trends in the 17 states with less restrictive CCW laws compare favorably against national trends, and almost all CCW permittees are law-abiding.

Since adopting CCW (1987), Florida's homicide rate has fallen 21% while the U.S. rate has risen 12%. From start-up 10/1/87 2/28/94 (over 6 yrs.) Florida issued 204,108 permits; only 17 (0.008%) were revoked because permittees later committed crimes (not necessarily violent) in which guns were present (not necessarily used).

Of 14,000 CCW licensees in Oregon, only 4 (0.03%) were convicted of the criminal (not necessarily violent) use or possession of a firearm. Americans use firearms for self-defense more than 2.1 million times annually.

By contrast, there are about 579,000 violent crimes committed annually with firearms of all types. Seventy percent of violent crimes are committed by 7% of criminals, including repeat offenders, many of whom the courts place on probation after conviction, and felons that are paroled before serving their full time behind bars.

Two-thirds of self-protective firearms uses are with handguns.

99.9% of self-defense firearms uses do not result in fatal shootings of criminals, an important factor ignored in certain "studies" that are used to claim that guns are more often misused than used for self-protection. Of incarcerated felons surveyed by the Department of Justice, 34% have been driven away, wounded, or captured by armed citizens; 40% have decided against committing crimes for fear their would-be victims were armed.


:clap:

[ekool]

Here's an old picture :)

http://skank.fiendish.net/~ekool/ids/albums/Supra/10-25-00/ekool-z919-dsbc.jpg

[Cueball418]

i got a glock 10 police issue

[milkdud99]

ME!!! JK just making the post turn to Milkdudly

[Glock22]

i got a glock 10 police issue

What is a glock 10?

[Thunderkiss]

I carry everyday. Concealed carry reduces crime.

Violent crime rates are highest overall in states with laws severely limiting or prohibiting the carrying of concealed firearms for self-defense. (FBI Uniform Crime Reports, 1992) -

The total Violent Crime Rate is 26% higher in the restrictive states (798.3 per 100,000 pop.) than in the less restrictive states (631.6 per 100,000).

The Homicide Rate is 49% higher in the restrictive states (10.1 per 100,000) than in the states with less restrictive CCW laws (6.8 per 100,000).

The Robbery Rate is 58% higher in the restrictive states (289.7 per 100,000) than in the less restrictive states (183.1 per 100,000).

The Aggravated Assault Rate is 15% higher in the restrictive states (455.9 per 100,000) than in the less restrictive states (398.3 per 100,000). Using the most recent FBI data (1992), homicide trends in the 17 states with less restrictive CCW laws compare favorably against national trends, and almost all CCW permittees are law-abiding.

Since adopting CCW (1987), Florida's homicide rate has fallen 21% while the U.S. rate has risen 12%. From start-up 10/1/87 2/28/94 (over 6 yrs.) Florida issued 204,108 permits; only 17 (0.008%) were revoked because permittees later committed crimes (not necessarily violent) in which guns were present (not necessarily used).

Of 14,000 CCW licensees in Oregon, only 4 (0.03%) were convicted of the criminal (not necessarily violent) use or possession of a firearm. Americans use firearms for self-defense more than 2.1 million times annually.

By contrast, there are about 579,000 violent crimes committed annually with firearms of all types. Seventy percent of violent crimes are committed by 7% of criminals, including repeat offenders, many of whom the courts place on probation after conviction, and felons that are paroled before serving their full time behind bars.

Two-thirds of self-protective firearms uses are with handguns.

99.9% of self-defense firearms uses do not result in fatal shootings of criminals, an important factor ignored in certain "studies" that are used to claim that guns are more often misused than used for self-protection. Of incarcerated felons surveyed by the Department of Justice, 34% have been driven away, wounded, or captured by armed citizens; 40% have decided against committing crimes for fear their would-be victims were armed.

Thanks for the info Madman! Of course it just solidifies my opinion, but it won't change the mind of those who KNOW that they're position is correct no matter what the facts are! Don't bother telling them facts, they know how they FEEL. :sick:

[Thunderkiss]

Dirty, you too can apply for a class III weapon license. That would include a silenced weapon, a short barreled rifle/shotgun and or a fully auto firearm. The class III license is for life and is abled to be passed down tou your heirs.

Hey Bob, from your past posts I believe you are law enforcement?
If so, I appreciate all you do.

I don't need the class 3, I like the skill it takes one round at a time. But I appreciate the info. Thank you!

[Thunderkiss]

Here's an old picture :)

http://skank.fiendish.net/~ekool/ids/albums/Supra/10-25-00/ekool-z919-dsbc.jpg

Now that's what I'm talking about!!!!! :clap:

[Thunderkiss]

i got a glock 10 police issue

Very nice!! :)

[Dysentery Bob]

Hey Bob, from your past posts I believe you are law enforcement?
If so, I appreciate all you do.

I don't need the class 3, I like the skill it takes one round at a time. But I appreciate the info. Thank you!

I agree that fully autos are not as good as semi-automatics, but they do come in handy. The Class III items I perfer are silenced weapons and 16" shotguns. I carry a 16" 870 on duty, that is a wicked beast. I had to dispatch a deer the other night on I75. Man do I love the feel of a 12 ga.

[Dysentery Bob]

Here is food for thought in reference to gun ownership. Read Stephens Kings novel;" The Stand ". After reading this, if you want to not own weapons for your own self protection then thats your right.

On a side note, my wife is a yellow dog democrat, as well as her whole leftist family. Well they do not like the idea that I own weapons or plan to teach my little ones to shoot. Thats cool, it's their right to disagree, but I am not going to send my children out in life with out the basic lessons of survival. My son and daughter will know how to shoot. More importantly, they will understand and adhere to safe gun handling practices.

[06sxt06]

Hmm, at what age are you going to teach your kids to shoot guns?

At five years old? Just asking, since I remember shooting a gun at about age five in Mexico, that thing knocked me to the floor. Dumb, irresponsable uncle of mine..., should he had been right behind me, helping me aim?

Anyways, I believe that only police departments should be allowed to carry fully automatic weapons. Why would the average citizen want one?

Collection, yes. Self-defense? With a fully automatic weapon? Gotta think that one.

[Dysentery Bob]

Hmm, at what age are you going to teach your kids to shoot guns?

At five years old? Just asking, since I remember shooting a gun at about age five in Mexico, that thing knocked me to the floor. Dumb, irresponsable uncle of mine..., should he had been right behind me, helping me aim?

Anyways, I believe that only police departments should be allowed to carry fully automatic weapons. Why would the average citizen want one?

Collection, yes. Self-defense? With a fully automatic weapon? Gotta think that one.

Thanks for you concern in my parenting skills....this coming from a person that advocates the use of illegal drugs.

Why would I want one / already own one...because I can. I am granted that right. My State further up holds that right. Though she(my auto) may be collecting dust in my safe and has for years, she is mine.

There you go again relying on the police for all things. To be blunt, I don't trust the police to defend me, protect me or to be there during my darkest hour. When that time comes, I want to be able to speak and do for myself.

You go ahead and call 911 and wait.

Like I have already said, I have not attacked your desire to be a druggy so you can smoke pot legally. I have not critized your dreams of legalizing drugs. So why don't you just back off the gun issue.

By the way, lets agree to disagree here. You don't like guns and I don't like drugs.

[06sxt06]

LOL. Man, drugs? I am not advocating the use of cocaine, heroin, crystal, or anything like that. However, if you look at the stats, 60% of the population has tried it. If you legalize it, you will stop a whole illegal industry, and it won't be that "hip" to teenagers.

However, alcohol is a more dangerous drug than marijuana.

[Lisa GT]

Crazy gun laws only hurt law-abiding citizens. Criminals by definition do not care what gun laws say; they will own/carry what ever they want.

This is the reality that the anti-gun champions can't seem to grasp. Law abiding citizens with guns handle their guns, and manage their responsibility, with great care. I've got an extensive gun collection: handguns, and I'm somewhat partial to military style rifles for shooting sport. I've never been arrested for ANY crime. There's not any reasonable argument for suspending MY Second Amendment rights.

To answer the main question in this thread. I pretty much carry when ever im going anywhere other than work. (or other places where firearms are not allowed).

Same here with the exception that I work for two attorneys and they allow me, even encourage, to be armed at the office.

[moparfan]

My son and daughter will know how to shoot. More importantly, they will understand and adhere to safe gun handling practices.

I applaud and support your decisions.

However, I think you are in the minority when it comes to teaching safe gun practices. Unfortunately, people own and keep loaded weapons in their homes and never teach their children about the dangers or how to handle them properly. If everyone who owned a gun was as responsible as you, then we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

Once again, I don't think anyone should touch the 2nd ammendment rights. But that doesn't mean I agree that eveyone should carry a gun in their car.

[Bad_24_7]

Same here with the exception that I work for two attorneys and they allow me, even encourage, to be armed at the office.

There will be no sexual harrassment in this office! LisaGT you rock!

[Lisa GT]

There will be no sexual harrassment in this office! LisaGT you rock!

Well, if you saw, or had to deal with, some of our clients, you'd probably understand why. We take some criminal appointments, and well, they're usually not the most upstanding of folks. Not to mention that our office is right next door to a BP station we affectionately refer to as 'crack central'.

[Blue_Streak]

The only problem with people carrying guns is that they dont get proper instruction. Its more to it than pulling the trigger. If you look at the shooter in lisa gt's post the shooter's stance is terrible, she is leaning away from the target. The basic things that have never been learned is what will get the wrong person hurt in a stressful situation. I am all for Right to Carry but at least get some kind of training first. Real life ain't no Grand Theft Auto!

[Lisa GT]

The only problem with people carrying guns is that they dont get proper instruction. Its more to it than pulling the trigger. If you look at the shooter in lisa gt's post the shooter's stance is terrible, she is leaning away from the target. The basic things that have never been learned is what will get the wrong person hurt in a stressful situation. I am all for Right to Carry but at least get some kind of training first. Real life ain't no Grand Theft Auto!

Alway a freaking 'expert' on hand to jump in and critique other people, isn't there.


That shooter is me, and my army ranger friend who shoots with me frequently doesn't seem to have any problem with my shooters stance. You don't have to lean into your target to be a proficient shooter. If you notice, my arms didn't recoil up at all, and it would take me a minimum of effort and distance to drag my pistol back on target. Would you like to see the result of that stance:

http://photobucket.com/albums/v691/lisa2000gt/th_deadguy.jpg

Can you make out the grouping in the left chest? I have the video clip we pulled that pic off of somewhere. I'll look for that tonight, so I can substantiate how controlled my shooting actually is.

I'm a competent and prolific shooter. I've been shooting since I was a child. I've even been INVITED to join the local police department, although that holds no interest for me not to mention it would be a decrease in what I make. If you go to any IDPA sanctioned match, you'll see a variety of positions and stances which people take to shoot. What's correct for someone twice the body mass as me, isn't necessarily going to work for me. In that picture I didn't weigh 100 lbs, consider that I'm 5'2".

[DutchMaster]

I dont carry a gun, but now that I know all of you whackos do, I definitely will!

[Lisa GT]

I dont carry a gun, but now that I know all of you whackos do, I definitely will!

Come on down...my girl and I will get ya fixed up:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/lisa2000gt/bunsnguns.jpg

[moparfan]

I dont carry a gun, but now that I know all of you whackos do, I definitely will!

LOL!! :laugh:

See... escalation.

I guess I need to get one too now. :frown:

[Glock22]

Come on down...my girl and I will get ya fixed up:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/lisa2000gt/bunsnguns.jpg

Bitchin G3, is it real?

[Lisa GT]

Bitchin G3, is it real?

It's a HK G3.

[Thunderkiss]

I dont carry a gun, but now that I know all of you whackos do, I definitely will!

Forget it Dutchmaster. You have a better chance of owning the Eiffel Tower than getting a permit in Hillary's state. :neutral:

[Madman]

Come on down...my girl and I will get ya fixed up:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/lisa2000gt/bunsnguns.jpg

I'm sure. And I dig the HK and everything, but I'm still not sure I want to go shooting with someone who fires an AR with their middle finger. :)

Glad to see a female so involved in shooting. Good going Lisa, you and your bunsnguns!

[moparfan]

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_283120120.html

[Notaf4nboiE]

I dont carry a gun, but now that I know all of you whackos do, I definitely will!


Pssst, I can loan you this-

http://dx.ampednews.com/images/content/6/content/0008/RocketLauncher.jpg

[Glock22]

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_283120120.html

S-happens.


http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/stories/KTVKLNews20051009.de17b917.html

[Thunderkiss]

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_283120120.html

And if the child had been stabbed with a steak knife would we outlaw steak knives, and steaks?

How about if the child had been hit by a car?

[Lisa GT]

That is an example of irresponsible parenting, not the evil of guns.

We have a 6-year old child in the household. We have instructed him never, ever to touch a gun, but additionally we keep the guns in safes to ensure that he can't.

[Notaf4nboiE]

How about if the child had been hit by a car?


Then no CHARGER 4 U!!!

[Thunderkiss]

Then no CHARGER 4 U!!!

Great :neutral:

[Dysentery Bob]

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_283120120.html


"...Twenty-one-year-old Juan Ramierez is charged with the unlawful use of a weapon by a felon, felony defacement of a firearm, and misdemeanor "firearm child protection," because the gun was near the two children, police said.

Police said the serial number on the gun had been scratched off. ..."

This person is a scum bag. he has no right to a firearm. Further more, the serial number is scratched off. Thats a Federal violation and he should be turned over to the Feds.

[DutchMaster]

Lisa, are we sure a wedding is out of the question? ok just checking. ;)

[moparfan]

We have a 6-year old child in the household. We have instructed him never, ever to touch a gun, but additionally we keep the guns in safes to ensure that he can't.

I am so glad to hear that. I wish every parent that owns a gun would do the same. :clap:

Look guys, I never said "all guns should be taken away". Jeeze... with you guys it's all or nothing.

(just like those unquestioning, flag-waving "patriots" who say you can't say anything bad against our country or you are "unpatriotic" - love it or leave it)

Look at the topic in this forum... "Who keeps a firearm in their vehicle?"

If you KEEP it in your vehicle, then it isn't locked up in a safe now is it? How many cars get broken into and things stolen from them?? Maybe if you keep your gun in the car, it will be stolen and end up as one of those with the "serial number scratched off" ???

If the topic was "do you carry a firearm when driving?", then I wouldn't have such a big deal with it if responsible, licensed individuals choose to do that. But I have even seen a picture on here that appears to indicate the gun is left in the vehicle at all times. THAT is irresponsible. Period.

[06sxt06]

Moparfan, I completely agree with you.

[Thunderkiss]

But I have even seen a picture on here that appears to indicate the gun is left in the vehicle at all times. THAT is irresponsible. Period.

You are absolutely right. Yours is the only opinion that counts. What you state is absolute fact. There is none that can argue with you since you are God. I bow down to you.

Please tell us EXACTLY how we should raise our kids.

What should we eat?

Who should we marry?

Please God, I need your guidance.

I am looking at 2 pieces of property in Georgia, what will they be worth in 10 years? Will I have to evict any renters? Will there ever be a problem with the roof?

My father has pulmonary fibrosis. Will he get the transplant and when? How old will he be when he dies?

Please Lord, I need your help!!!!!

[Thunderkiss]

Moparfan, I completely agree with you.

Hey dude man, I mean dude, how can you type, like, totally stoned and all dude. I mean dude, like dude, how do you have a job dude?

Dude when I wake and bake, I'm like dude, I don't want to go to work dude.

Like dude, when do you shower, like dude? I can't handle the shower dude, kills my buzz dude.

[threeputt]

Time to shut this one down, it is becoming a waste of bandwidth.

[06sxt06]

Hey dude man, I mean dude, how can you type, like, totally stoned and all dude. I mean dude, like dude, how do you have a job dude?

Dude when I wake and bake, I'm like dude, I don't want to go to work dude.

Like dude, when do you shower, like dude? I can't handle the shower dude, kills my buzz dude.


Just to let you know, I haven't done that in years. However, I don't believe that it should illegal.

Oh... nice way to demonstrate your anger at me. Can't we agree to disagree?

[Thunderkiss]

Just to let you know, I haven't done that in years. However, I don't believe that it should illegal.

Oh... nice way to demonstrate your anger at me. Can't we agree to disagree?

Anger???? I don't waste my anger on closed minded people.

This society would call me a "conservative" even though as the years pass and I learn more I continue to adjust my thinking.

My problem is that the so-called "liberals" are the most stubborn I have ever met. Their opinion is golden and no one can alter it. That is not very open-minded.

I personally do not know one liberal who has altered thier opinion as long as I've know them. That's just plain anti-intellectual.

[06sxt06]

Anger???? I don't waste my anger on closed minded people.

This society would call me a "conservative" even though as the years pass and I learn more I continue to adjust my thinking.

My problem is that the so-called "liberals" are the most stubborn I have ever met. Their opinion is golden and no one can alter it. That is not very open-minded.

I personally do not know one liberal who has altered thier opinion as long as I've know them. That's just plain anti-intellectual.


Stubborn? Wow, guess that's what we both think about each other.


Hmmm, how about changing the subject, since this is just going to cause bad blood between us.

Oh, remember, a good society is the one that disagrees to disagree. We don't want to cause a civil war, do we?

Let's agree to disagree and change the subject. Agree?

[bashlin]

i always keep my 9 with me, hell i live in georgia. and usually keep my .223 not far out of reach
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/759000-759999/759979_13_full.jpg

[Glock22]

i always keep my 9 with me, hell i live in georgia. and usually keep my .223 not far out of reach
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/759000-759999/759979_13_full.jpg


Nice, here is my baby.

http://ds1.ath.cx:82/IMG_2692.jpg

[bashlin]

can't see the pic glock22, try again!

[Lisa GT]

I need to find a good pic of mine.

[Lisa GT]

I can't find any handy of my .223, but for good measure, I'll throw in one of my old Russian gal:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/lisa2000gt/m44.jpg

[Blue_Streak]

Anybody notice how all the gun nuts are from the South!

[SRT8Texas]

That's because our states haven't made restrictive right-to-carry / own laws. :D If I wanted that, I'd go live in Australia or Canada.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1998/schools/gun.control/

[moparfan]

That's because our states haven't made restrictive right-to-carry / own laws. :D If I wanted that, I'd go live in Australia or Canada.

Where their murder rates and violent crimes with guns is dramatically lower than the US.

[Crazy_luck]

Anybody notice how all the gun nuts are from the South!

I'm a gun nut, and I live in Minnesota............

[Glock22]

Nice, here is my baby.

http://ds1.ath.cx:82/IMG_2692.jpg


Bah, it might not work if your at work. (behind a firewall)

[Glock22]

I can't find any handy of my .223, but for good measure, I'll throw in one of my old Russian gal:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v691/lisa2000gt/m44.jpg

Nice mosin, I have one that i re-blued and put a synthetic stock on. Nothing beats the huge fireball that comes out of that thing. (with albanian ammo).

[epoch]

Where their murder rates and violent crimes with guns is dramatically lower than the US.

This is entirely true. The culture of paranoia and "everyone is out to get me" has got to stop.

Obviously you want to protect your family, and it's good to have a little bit of distrust towards your fellow man, but when it gets to the point where no one will stop on the road to help someone out (which is the case, currently) you're being counterproductive.

And I'm sorry, but carrying a gun in your car is just really stupid. You step out to the mall, leave the gun in the glovebox, someone breaks into your car to steal it, or the stereo, or something else, and grabs the gun while he's at it. Then an altercation ensues, or, worse yet, down the road, he murders someone with your gun.

Now there's a gun registered in your name with your prints on it, because maybe he was smart enough to wear gloves. Was your paranoia really worth all that? I asked earlier if anyone had ever had to actual use their gun, and by and large, no one had to.

Disclaimer: I just grabbed an old single shot 12 from my dad to protect my home. But it's my home, it doesn't move into bad areas where people can break into it and steal **** out of it.

EDIT::: I am not against guns at all. I am for common sense, though.

Repeat after me: Not everyone is out get me.

[Lisa GT]

That Mosin is my favorite gun that I own, hands down. Oh, I've got nicer guns, definitely more expensive guns (I think we paid like $79 for it), but none I love more. I affectionately refer to her as 'Boomer.' I know you understand why! :wink:

[Glock22]

Where their murder rates and violent crimes with guns is dramatically lower than the US.

This statement is just blind idiocy.

Look at these Australian Crime stats.

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/facts/2002/fig02.html
http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/ECFAF68AB75AE9E3CA256DEA00053A5A

Compare the Australian crime numbers with the numbers from stated that have very restrictive gun laws. See a trend?

Violent crime rates are highest overall in states with laws severely limiting or prohibiting the carrying of concealed firearms for self-defense. (FBI Uniform Crime Reports, 1992) -

The total Violent Crime Rate is 26% higher in the restrictive states (798.3 per 100,000 pop.) than in the less restrictive states (631.6 per 100,000).

The Homicide Rate is 49% higher in the restrictive states (10.1 per 100,000) than in the states with less restrictive CCW laws (6.8 per 100,000).

The Robbery Rate is 58% higher in the restrictive states (289.7 per 100,000) than in the less restrictive states (183.1 per 100,000).

The Aggravated Assault Rate is 15% higher in the restrictive states (455.9 per 100,000) than in the less restrictive states (398.3 per 100,000). Using the most recent FBI data (1992), homicide trends in the 17 states with less restrictive CCW laws compare favorably against national trends, and almost all CCW permittees are law-abiding.

Since adopting CCW (1987), Florida's homicide rate has fallen 21% while the U.S. rate has risen 12%. From start-up 10/1/87 2/28/94 (over 6 yrs.) Florida issued 204,108 permits; only 17 (0.008%) were revoked because permittees later committed crimes (not necessarily violent) in which guns were present (not necessarily used).

Of 14,000 CCW licensees in Oregon, only 4 (0.03%) were convicted of the criminal (not necessarily violent) use or possession of a firearm. Americans use firearms for self-defense more than 2.1 million times annually.

By contrast, there are about 579,000 violent crimes committed annually with firearms of all types. Seventy percent of violent crimes are committed by 7% of criminals, including repeat offenders, many of whom the courts place on probation after conviction, and felons that are paroled before serving their full time behind bars.

Two-thirds of self-protective firearms uses are with handguns.

99.9% of self-defense firearms uses do not result in fatal shootings of criminals, an important factor ignored in certain "studies" that are used to claim that guns are more often misused than used for self-protection. Of incarcerated felons surveyed by the Department of Justice, 34% have been driven away, wounded, or captured by armed citizens; 40% have decided against committing crimes for fear their would-be victims were armed.

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/guncontrol_20010302.html
http://www.cdnn.info/news/travel/t050417.html

[Lisa GT]

This is entirely true. The culture of paranoia and "everyone is out to get me" has got to stop.

Obviously you want to protect your family, and it's good to have a little bit of distrust towards your fellow man, but when it gets to the point where no one will stop on the road to help someone out (which is the case, currently) you're being counterproductive.

And I'm sorry, but carrying a gun in your car is just really stupid. You step out to the mall, leave the gun in the glovebox, someone breaks into your car to steal it, or the stereo, or something else, and grabs the gun while he's at it. Then an altercation ensues, or, worse yet, down the road, he murders someone with your gun.

Now there's a gun registered in your name with your prints on it, because maybe he was smart enough to wear gloves. Was your paranoia really worth all that? I asked earlier if anyone had ever had to actual use their gun, and by and large, no one had to.

Disclaimer: I just grabbed an old single shot 12 from my dad to protect my home. But it's my home, it doesn't move into bad areas where people can break into it and steal **** out of it.

Repeat after me: Not everyone is out get me.

Tell that to my mom. Her gun probably saved her life. In the mid 80's my mom was an upper level corporate executive in New Orleans. He job, although lucrative, often required long days in which she worked well into the evening hours. One evening, she was driving home on Interstate 10 in her Corvette, when a pickup truck came over on her from the left and forced her off of the road onto the right shoulder. When the vehicles came to a stop, the man jumped out of his truck and ran over to her car door in an attempt to open it. My mom, who holds a CCP, showed him her gun. He changed his mind about whatever his intent was, ran back back to his truck, and fled the scene. I can't say what his intention was. My mom is a very attractive well kept woman. Maybe he was going to abduct and rape her. Maybe he wanted to jack her car. We'll never know. The only thing I know for sure is that my mom having possession of a gun deterred whatever evil intent he had in store for her, without a shot having been fired.

[SRT8Texas]

I think the OP just wanted to know who carried in their vehicle; not neccesarily whether it was a good idea or not. Apologies to the OP.

[Lisa GT]

I think the OP just wanted to know who carried in their vehicle; not neccesarily whether it was a good idea or not. Apologies to the OP.

I think most of the people here answered the question as if they 'carry' a gun while in their vehicle, as opposed to 'storing' a gun in their vehicle. For most of us, I would believe that it would be obvious that STORING a firearm in a vehicle would be unwise. Do you have to leave it in there sometimes? Perhaps. Even with a carry permit, in Tennessee, you can't carry where liquor is served or sold, and obviously not in courts or jails. (I work for an attorney, so I have occasion to have to go to such places.) Often what we try to do if we go out to dinner or someplace is to park where we can see our car and request a seat near the window so we can keep an eye on it.

[DutchMaster]

Smart AND deadly, she is.

[SRT8Texas]

Agreed. I store a handgun in a lock-box that is bolted to the frame in my trunk, for times when I have to enter a property that does not permit CCL.

[Dysentery Bob]

This is entirely true. The culture of paranoia and "everyone is out to get me" has got to stop.

Obviously you want to protect your family, and it's good to have a little bit of distrust towards your fellow man, but when it gets to the point where no one will stop on the road to help someone out (which is the case, currently) you're being counterproductive.

And I'm sorry, but carrying a gun in your car is just really stupid. You step out to the mall, leave the gun in the glovebox, someone breaks into your car to steal it, or the stereo, or something else, and grabs the gun while he's at it. Then an altercation ensues, or, worse yet, down the road, he murders someone with your gun.

Now there's a gun registered in your name with your prints on it, because maybe he was smart enough to wear gloves. Was your paranoia really worth all that? I asked earlier if anyone had ever had to actual use their gun, and by and large, no one had to.

Disclaimer: I just grabbed an old single shot 12 from my dad to protect my home. But it's my home, it doesn't move into bad areas where people can break into it and steal **** out of it.

EDIT::: I am not against guns at all. I am for common sense, though.

Repeat after me: Not everyone is out get me.

Not to nit pick at you but I had 2 guns stolen from my vehicle. I had a right to carry in my vehicle per state law. I was not the one who committed a crime, the damn thief did when he entered my vehicle and victimized me.

Now, I reported the two guns stolen and had them listed in NCIC as stolen weapons. Both were used in a crime up north. So does that make me responsible for the crimes committed with these two weapons? As for carring a loaded weapon in a vehicle only, not everyone can carry their concealed weapon in all enviroments. Furthermore, to go those areas that are deemed unsafe without any weapons is just plain stupid.

What I dislike is the elitest liberals who live behind gated communities and armed security telling me that I am paranoid for wanting to protect myself and family. Or worse yet, attempt to set governmental policy based upon their beliefs.

My belief that it is the RIGHT of every law abiding American to own and carry a weapon for preservation (self defense). When I pull over a vehicle, for the most part, I could care less if you have a gun. Hell, in the South 90% of the cars I pull over the driver is armed, big deal.

I am not going to have some person who feels threatened by the fact that I carry tell me that I am paranoid. Or worse yet set a value on my family. You telling us that you grabbed your single shot 12 gauge for protection like John Kerry telling the NRA he is a hunter.

[Thunderkiss]

Just because I'm paranoid it doesn't mean that everybody isn't out to get me.

Heck, I keep a remote detonated mini-grenade in my a$$ just in case someone takes me hostage so that I can take them out too.

Yeah, it's uncomfortable, but my intentions are good.

[a14umbra]

Yeah, it's uncomfortable, but my intentions are good.


Don't you have somewhere to be? :biggrin:

[06sxt06]

Compare the Australian crime numbers with the numbers from stated that have very restrictive gun laws. See a trend?




Now, that's an unfiar comparison, is it not?

Why not compare it to France? Sweden? UK? Germany?

[Lisa GT]

Now, that's an unfiar comparison, is it not?

Why not compare it to France? Sweden? UK? Germany?

Actually France's gun laws regarding ownership are similar to the United States. You can simply go into a gun store and buy a gun in France. They don't have nearly the crime problem that England (who has very restrictive gun laws) does.

[06sxt06]

Hmmm... interesting.

[Thunderkiss]

Don't you have somewhere to be? :biggrin:

I can't stay away for long. Had a lil time, thought I'd give my 2 cents.

[Thunderkiss]

Actually France's gun laws regarding ownership are similar to the United States. You can simply go into a gun store and buy a gun in France. They don't have nearly the crime problem that England (who has very restrictive gun laws) does.

Or all of Great Britian for that matter. Recent poll called Scotland and Wales the countries where you would most likely have a violent crime commited against you of all the western countries.

And I do believe gun ownership is illegal in both. Hmmmmmm???

Liberal: (whining) "But could you imagine what it would be like if they had guns (wipes the pablum off his chin)?"

Yeah, but that's not the point, is it? If criminals thought people might have a gun they would think twice wouldn't they?

[metalwrayth]

I have a pair off hikeing shoes in my trunk

[Glock22]

Now, that's an unfiar comparison, is it not?

Why not compare it to France? Sweden? UK? Germany?


Is it truly an unfair comparison? No.

The aussies are taking anything that even remotely resembles a weapon (including airsoft and blow guns), they now have a HUGE crime problem.

[AppelDodgeRacing]

Heck, I keep a remote detonated mini-grenade in my a$$ just in case someone takes me hostage so that I can take them out too.

Yeah, it's uncomfortable, but my intentions are good.
[QUOTE]

YOu tooo?

[FlyByWire]

Depending on the weather here in AZ, Ive got my Glock 21 on my person.. If its dead summer, Ive got my Kel-Tec P3AT, or Walther PPK in my pocket. Ive usually got 3 AR-15's in the trunk since I cant stay away from the range these days.

I NEVER leave a firearm in the car when Im not in it myself.. especially now with the Charger... and living in the worst state for auto theft.

[moparfan]

I NEVER leave a firearm in the car when Im not in it myself

:clap: :clap:

[06sxt06]

Is it truly an unfair comparison? No.

The aussies are taking anything that even remotely resembles a weapon (including airsoft and blow guns), they now have a HUGE crime problem.


Blow guns?

What's next, paint ball guns? Hey, I love paint ball guns. Shoot some one in capture the flag is the best.

[DAYTONA_R/T]

going to join the ranks of those with pistols in their vehicle...

I was looking to buy a Taurus 24/7 either 40 or 9MM.... but for the past month and a half I have not been able to find anyone that has one in stock...

Also considered the Taurus Mill Pro PT111 compact 9MM... but figured for the price difference I had seen (about 50 bucks) I was going to go for the full frame... today I came across a place selling tthe PT111 for 259.99.... only thing is they only had one left... gun felt comfortable... but figured I would contemplate it... went and looked at holsters... decided to get it...... while I was looking at holsters someone came and bought it... they were starting the paperwork when I came back to the counter.
By the time they get more in they will be regular price... they told me no rainchecks offered... 2 hours later called the manager and he said to come back in and he would give me a raincheck...

So now just have to wait for them to get one in... :whistle:

I did talk to one gun dealer who is selling his personal Glock 17 for $420, he said it is in great shape and he is upgrading... to what I dont know... didnt interest me because I wanted to stay under $400 right now... (with the PT111 I am at $280 out the door... :D)

[Glock22]

going to join the ranks of those with pistols in their vehicle...

I was looking to buy a Taurus 24/7 either 40 or 9MM.... but for the past month and a half I have not been able to find anyone that has one in stock...

Also considered the Taurus Mill Pro PT111 compact 9MM... but figured for the price difference I had seen (about 50 bucks) I was going to go for the full frame... today I came across a place selling tthe PT111 for 259.99.... only thing is they only had one left... gun felt comfortable... but figured I would contemplate it... went and looked at holsters... decided to get it...... while I was looking at holsters someone came and bought it... they were starting the paperwork when I came back to the counter.
By the time they get more in they will be regular price... they told me no rainchecks offered... 2 hours later called the manager and he said to come back in and he would give me a raincheck...

So now just have to wait for them to get one in... :whistle:

I did talk to one gun dealer who is selling his personal Glock 17 for $420, he said it is in great shape and he is upgrading... to what I dont know... didnt interest me because I wanted to stay under $400 right now... (with the PT111 I am at $280 out the door... :D)


Go to J&G and get a used glock for $340. You cant go wrong. jgsales.com

[DAYTONA_R/T]

glocks are over rated and over priced IMHO.... I would rather spend $370 on a brand new Taurus 24/7 then $340 on a used glock.

I went and looked at their site... for the Taurus they are more expensive then local...... their "wholesale to the public" is nothing but BS

[Glock22]

glocks are over rated and over priced IMHO.... I would rather spend $370 on a brand new Taurus 24/7 then $340 on a used glock.

I went and looked at their site... for the Taurus they are more expensive then local...... their "wholesale to the public" is nothing but BS

Over rated in what sense?

If you want 99.999% reliability and 100% simplicity get a glock.

[Dysentery Bob]

glocks are over rated and over priced IMHO.... I would rather spend $370 on a brand new Taurus 24/7 then $340 on a used glock.

I went and looked at their site... for the Taurus they are more expensive then local...... their "wholesale to the public" is nothing but BS

Never had a problem with Glocks in the ten plus years that I have carried them. Are there guns better, sure, but will not be a Taurus semi-auto. Though I wil say this, Taurus makes a nice snubby 38 spl.

Goodluck with your choice.

[Lisa GT]

Why choose? Get BOTH!

http://www.wtso.com/php_pics/upload/both_guns_1.jpg

The lineup (from left) Taurus PT945 .45acp, Glock 20C 10mm, Taurus PT145 in .45acp, Glock 27 .357sig (converted).

[d durden]

*sigh* . . . some of the best choices out there:

A couple of .45's, a .357 sig, and, to end all discussion, a 10mm comp. *sigh*

[d durden]

glocks are over rated and over priced IMHO.... I would rather spend $370 on a brand new Taurus 24/7 then $340 on a used glock.

How exactly is perfection overrated? LOL!

Okay, I know price always matters, but if you're REALLY carrying a gun you want to bet your life one, would $100 bother you one way or the other.

I mean, we're on a site where we're celebrating a car that STARTS about $25k. If we'd spend that much on wheels to drive, why argue $100-$200 one way or the other on something we bet the lives of our familes and ourselves on?

But, like the picture says, WHY ARGUE? Get 'em BOTH! LOL!

[d durden]

Never had a problem with Glocks in the ten plus years that I have carried them. Are there guns better, sure,

You had me to you alluded to the fact that there are better guns! :D:D

There are better niche' guns out there, but, all around, I don't think there's a better line than Glock.

The only thing I think Glock needs is a .22 target pistol that's affordable. Other than that, you can conceal one, it can go full-auto, you can hunt with one, AND they're the only comany that actually rate one of their models to shoot underwater.

Eh, it's just hard to beat them.

[Glock22]

You had me to you alluded to the fact that there are better guns! :D:D

There are better niche' guns out there, but, all around, I don't think there's a better line than Glock.

The only thing I think Glock needs is a .22 target pistol that's affordable. Other than that, you can conceal one, it can go full-auto, you can hunt with one, AND they're the only comany that actually rate one of their models to shoot underwater.

Eh, it's just hard to beat them.

You can get .22LR conversions for glocks.

[d durden]

You can get .22LR conversions for glocks.

Yeah. I've seen carbine conversions, too, but I'm a little leary.

[Thunderkiss]

Never had a problem with Glocks in the ten plus years that I have carried them. Are there guns better, sure, but will not be a Taurus semi-auto. Though I wil say this, Taurus makes a nice snubby 38 spl.

Goodluck with your choice.

Agreed, I keep a 38 Taurus on my person wherever I go (except if it's a no carry zone)

[Dysentery Bob]

Agreed, I keep a 38 Taurus on my person wherever I go (except if it's a no carry zone)

The reason why I went with the Taurus snubby at the time was because S&W betrayed the gun rights crowd by siding with B. Clinton on the smart gun issue. Though now that S&W is back in American hands and not the Brits, I purchased a hamerless air weight. Sweet and light.

[DAYTONA_R/T]

durden...

never said that glock did not make a quality product... just that the charge to much for the name... Taurus gives you a good firearm without paying thru the nose for the name..

I dont like used anything... never bought a used car, never bought a used gun... (well except for my 6.5x55 semi auto 1943 swedish military rifle... which I sold to my cousin a couple years ago)

[TysCharger]

I carry a Kahr PM9 9 mm either on my side or under the seat.

Ty

[DAYTONA_R/T]

Bought the Taurus PT111 9MM today for $259 at sportsmans warehouse. Can't beat that price with a stick...

This is the first handgun I have owned, so even though I have owned rifles for years, planning on going to Caswells for their 14 hour CCW/firearms training program... $125 plus the state fee for the CCW. Figure price is not bad for CCW and proper handgun training...

Will probably go there tomorrow to fire some rounds off... :D

[Glock22]

Bought the Taurus PT111 9MM today for $259 at sportsmans warehouse. Can't beat that price with a stick...

This is the first handgun I have owned, so even though I have owned rifles for years, planning on going to Caswells for their 14 hour CCW/firearms training program... $125 plus the state fee for the CCW. Figure price is not bad for CCW and proper handgun training...

Will probably go there tomorrow to fire some rounds off... :D

Go with mike and i to AJI for the class.

Its only 8 hours now and costs $70 somthing.

Why didnt you get a .40?

[DAYTONA_R/T]

Go with mike and i to AJI for the class.

Its only 8 hours now and costs $70 somthing.

Why didnt you get a .40?


.40 was not onsale, wanted a 9MM compact and a 40, but the 40 will be a large frame. figure get the PT111 while its on sale and get the 40 down the road.

[Glock22]

.40 was not onsale, wanted a 9MM compact and a 40, but the 40 will be a large frame. figure get the PT111 while its on sale and get the 40 down the road.

I forgot to add coswells = ****....

Go to rio salado.

[DAYTONA_R/T]

I forgot to add coswells = ****....

Go to rio salado.
rio salado are idiots... not worth the drive to put up with @$$hole rangemasters

I would rather go with my buddy to Phoenix rod and gun club where the rangemasters dont have ego's beyond beleif.

Caswells is close.. thats the main reason I would go there...

[DAYTONA_R/T]

Go with mike and i to AJI for the class.

Its only 8 hours now and costs $70 somthing.

Why didnt you get a .40?


When I talk to Mike next I will ask him about AJI...

[Beretta Elite II]

Beretta Elite II 9 mil. semi auto. Will take care of any Bad Guy problems!!

[Thunderkiss]

Beretta Elite II 9 mil. semi auto. Will take care of any Bad Guy problems!!

And the bad guy standing behind him (unless you have hydra-shoks like me!) :twisted:

[Glock22]

That Mosin is my favorite gun that I own, hands down. Oh, I've got nicer guns, definitely more expensive guns (I think we paid like $79 for it), but none I love more. I affectionately refer to her as 'Boomer.' I know you understand why! :wink:

Damn i love that gun.

http://ds1.ath.cx:82/pictures/shooting/IMG_2487.JPG
http://ds1.ath.cx:82/pictures/shooting/IMG_2488.JPG
http://ds1.ath.cx:82/pictures/shooting/m441.wmv

[DAYTONA_R/T]

hey Glock, with your posts in here and other threads, you are way to hung up on glocks and anti 9MM

9mm is a good caliber to start out with and to become a proficient shooter with, and like I said, this is my first handgun... I am a member of some law enforcement forums as well, and if you read some of the posts... they carry a .380 9mm or 40, but say to get use to a smaller caliber before upgrading to a .40 or .45

Dude... you are way more arrogant on the forums then you are in person... whats your friggen hangup online man?

[Glock22]

hey Glock, with your posts in here and other threads, you are way to hung up on glocks and anti 9MM

9mm is a good caliber to start out with and to become a proficient shooter with, and like I said, this is my first handgun... I am a member of some law enforcement forums as well, and if you read some of the posts... they carry a .380 9mm or 40, but say to get use to a smaller caliber before upgrading to a .40 or .45

Dude... you are way more arrogant on the forums then you are in person... whats your friggen hangup online man?

Im just giving you ****.

But seriously, unless you have limp wrists or are affraid of recoil why would you buy a 9mm when the .40 is an all around better round.

[DAYTONA_R/T]

Im just giving you ****.

But seriously, unless you have limp wrists why would you buy a 9mm when the .40 is an all around better round.

I guess you exersize your wrists more then I do http://www.avalanchestyle.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=343.0;id=763;image

:D
with going for a CCW, want a compact and choose a compact 9mm over a compact .380

As I stated before, I plan on getting a larger from .40 shortly as well

Tell ya what... I will race you in my Daytona... if I win... you STFU.. LOL
(oh, and you have to drive the only vehicle I have seen of yours :D)

[Glock22]

I guess you exersize your wrists more then I do http://www.avalanchestyle.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=343.0;id=763;image

:D
with going for a CCW, want a compact and choose a compact 9mm over a compact .380

As I stated before, I plan on getting a larger from .40 shortly as well

Tell ya what... I will race you in my Daytona... if I win... you STFU.. LOL
(oh, and you have to drive the only vehicle I have seen of yours :D)

hahahaaha, you have seriously never seen the other?

[DAYTONA_R/T]

hahahaaha, you have seriously never seen the other?


nope sure haven't, thought it was tore apart from you working on it.... which seeing what it is I am guessing would be fairly normal... LOL

[Glock22]

nope sure haven't, thought it was tore apart from you working on it.... which seeing what it is I am guessing would be fairly normal... LOL

Actually, it has been drivin hard every day since march 2003 and nothing has ever broke. Yet, <shifty eyes> . I think my transmission/clutch's days are numbered.

[AZCHARGER]

Dude... you are way more arrogant on the forums then you are in person... whats your friggen hangup online man?

Its the INTERNET MAN! Your supposed to be a jerk here! :D

[ekool]

Its the INTERNET MAN! Your supposed to be a jerk here! :D

Just a side note:

Anyone caught being a jerk, ass, etc. will be banned. We do not accept that here. We expect all members to treat users with a certain level of respect and courtesy around here.

The statement above may have been said in jest, but I'm taking this time to let everyone know what is expected and required of you at the bare minimum.

[Glock22]

Just a side note:

Anyone caught being a jerk, ass, etc. will be banned. We do not accept that here. We expect all members to treat users with a certain level of respect and courtesy around here.

The statement above may have been said in jest, but I'm taking this time to let everyone know what is expected and required of you at the bare minimum.
I guarantee it was said in jest, mike is quite the joker.

[Lisa GT]

OOOOOoooohhhhhh.....:no: y'all made an Admin. have to come in here. When shall the spankings commence?

[Glock22]

OOOOOoooohhhhhh.....:no: y'all made an Admin. have to come in here. When shall the spankings commence?

I place the blame squarely on you :whistle:


:embarrese

[Lisa GT]

Me? No way!

Lisa = :angel:

[Thunderkiss]

Me? No way!

Lisa = :angel:

Lisa, I am first in line if you are doing the spankings.

My wife says it's ok if she gets to watch! :happy: :happy: :happy:

[Lisa GT]

Lisa, I am first in line if you are doing the spankings.

My wife says it's ok if she gets to watch! :happy: :happy: :happy:

Oh my! So THAT'S how it is!

[DAYTONA_R/T]

http://www.avalanchestyle.com/forum/Smileys/default/adminpower.gif

I guarantee it was said in jest, mike is quite the joker.

Yeah it was said in jest... Glock, AZ, and myself all know each other, my posts were just to get glock to shut up as he was getting annoying... and I dont have his phone number to call him up and call him an idiot... :D

(let me guess glock22... your not an idiot because you didnt buy a 9mm) http://www.avalanchestyle.com/forum/Smileys/default/crazy.gif

[Glock22]

Lisa, I am first in line if you are doing the spankings.

My wife says it's ok if she gets to watch! :happy: :happy: :happy:


You dirty OM...

[Thunderkiss]

You dirty OM...


:grin:

[HIGH_HEMI]

http://www.wavsite.com/sounds/43546/stand04.wav

[bashlin]

here's a video i made for a lineman friend, his nickname is swamprat so that's who i'm refering to in the beginning..but i love the action on this gun, never once had it jam.. it's a armalite M-15 A-2. just click on the quicktime link when the page loads..
http://media.putfile.com/22310

[a14umbra]

I can't believe this thread was resurrected. Did I spell that right?

[Glock22]

here's a video i made for a lineman friend, his nickname is swamprat so that's who i'm refering to in the beginning..but i love the action on this gun, never once had it jam.. it's a armalite M-15 A-2. just click on the quicktime link when the page loads..
http://media.putfile.com/22310
You mean ar-15 a2 right?

[HIGH_HEMI]

I can't believe this thread was resurrected. Did I spell that right?



http://unclebubby.com/wav/wav/TOONS/FamilyGuy/mcdevice_fg.wav

[bashlin]

You mean ar-15 a2 right

no M-15 A-2 is stamped on the left side.. don't know what the difference is between the two..i know mine has a lined barrell..

[Kim+Charger]

.45 in glove box
mac-10 under seat
m249 under the hood
BAR in the trunk
.25 in the gas tank cover
AK-47 back seat
.357 right rear wheel well
two pineapple gernades in the center console
K-Bar in boot
and I carry an umbrella that shoots 9mm

[Glock22]

no M-15 A-2 is stamped on the left side.. don't know what the difference is between the two..i know mine has a lined barrell..

I guess its just a model number...

I just looked at my bushmaster and it says XM-15 LOL!

[plcman]

Taurus PT140 .40 cal between the seat
Kel-Tec.380 Auto in my pocket (Hydrashock in both) The forty will blow a hole through the door and the scum. :yes: :yes: Carry permit for 13 years, will not have it any other way!!! 20 gauge for home protection (the sound of that pump will scare anybody)!!!!!

[bashlin]

Carry permit for 13 years, will not have it any other way!!! 20 gauge for home protection (the sound of that pump will scare anybody)!!!!!

i've had my permit for about 4 years.. man that taurus is way up on my wish list. i'm looking at some fully-auto models right now. just trying to convince my wife 14,000.00 is practical to spend on a gun..
http://www.impactguns.com/store/MGT-A052656.html

[Go ManGo!]

Who doesn't keep fireams in their vehicle :)

[ESAD]

Walther PPK (.380)
(4) 7 round clips.

[holdenoversoul]

Desert Eagle .50
But only when going thru Durham or similar armpit of civilization, and never with the kid in the car.

[ESAD]

Years ago I went through the McDonalds drive through with a 12gauge on my IROC's dash. A bunch of us teenagers were hanging out there in the parking lot.
Needless to say, the McD's employees called the cops.
They show up and ask me if I'd please put it in the back because I was scaring the employees. lol.

[bashlin]

and never with the kid in the car.

i respect your opinion on this, but my take on it is kids need to be around guns to get fimilar with them, now i'm not talking about 4-5 year olds or anything.. but some of my best memories as a child were when i was around 9-10 years old and my grandfather takeing me dove hunting with my 20 gauge..good times. guess i was around 6 when i can remember him coming in from deer hunting and showing me and my brother the proper way to clean up a gun before storeing it back in the safe. if they get used to them, and come up on one laying around at a friends home then maybe they will respect it vrs. picking it up curiously and getting hurt..just my take but i do understand where your comeing from.

[HIGH_HEMI]

Used to carry my WWII German MP40 in the car...when I had to go where I really, really didn't want to due to work. Then I sold it and now I carry a Sig 40, or Virginia Dragoon 44 Mag, or my Barretta 380 on road trips. Used to carry my Colt 25 when I rode the Harley...easier to 'stow'. :whistle:

[holdenoversoul]

"never with the kid in the in the car"

Well that's the thing, he's just 4 now. Believe me, i grew up on a farm and was taught aong with my siblings to respect all guns from a very young age. We had a loaded gun in just about every corner of the house, and if it wasn't loaded it might as well have been because that's what we were taught to assume. I just don't think 4 years old is quite the time just yet. My old 410 is already slated to pass along when I see that responsibility can be learned.

[rmedina]

Just wondering how many people do, and what caliber?

Also, revolver or semi auto? :confused:

I have a .40 S&W semi-auto in the box at all times.
Glock 19C with 15 rounds ready to go..

[bashlin]

My old 410 is already slated to pass along when I see that responsibility can be learned.

that's what i'm talking about!! your a good man and a fine dad.. the 4/10 goes hand and hand with a 22. as good first guns. i'll never forget the first time my parents carried me into otasco's "pre wal mart days" to pick out the first gun so they could tell santa what i wanted.. a marlin 22. it looked beautiful sitting by that christmas tree.

[mywhitecharger]

No guns.
Just my Benchmade and my brain.

[davidhSRT8]

Sig P229 .40
LW Seecamp .32 backup
Bushmaster M4 A3 in the closet

[BurntOrange]

I have a Glock 22 and 23 but I also get to wear them on my hip in plain site lol being a cop has its advantages...............