Dyno #'s for B&G Stage 2 Flash on a stock SRT-8 - 30HP & 50LBs of Torque!

[Power Ported Performance]

The numbers are in, the graphs are in...

I just got off the phone Dave and he will have the dyno charts shortly and I will post them up. The debate is over!

UPDATE: This is on a stock SRT-8 Charger with no Mods. Before you ask about the low stock SRT-8 numbers, I talked to the shop that did the Dynos this afternoon and these numbers are from completely heat soaked engines. They did admit that this SRT-8 heat soaked did show lower numbers than others they had dynoed. They had recently done a Dyno day and had several 5.7L's and a few 6.1L and there was a range of numbers from what is normally seen and some that were much lower depending on the degree of how Heat soaked the engine was.

Hopefully that addresses the question before it is asked...

HERE IS THE DYNO CHART

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/762/bg61lflashbaslinevsflashcooldowncd8.jpg

Best Regards,

Jeremy Steinman

[Moparrbust]

it's been 4 days; where's the graph? I am very interested in this.

[BadazBee-423]

That's two of us.....

[JSRT8]

Three. I hope this isn't like the 426 project...... no pressure. You guys are spawning allot of interest for your products, now finish them(kidding, sort of).

[SRT BULL]

I wanna see this....jeremy, we gotta dyno mine when Im done with your set up.

[95ttoplt1]

Well If nothing else I will dyno mine as soon as I recieve it, about a week and a half away.

[Power Ported Performance]

Sorry about the delay. The GRAPHS are in post #1 !!! Thank you for your patience.

Sincerely,


Jeremy Steinman

[broc2238]

Damn. Those are some LOW stock numbers on that first pull. I don't think I've seen a stock SRT pull that low before.

[BadazBee-423]

I guess that's pretty good for a flash. What kind of numbers were we seeing on other stock pulls?

[TNCHARGER]

Damn. Those are some LOW stock numbers on that first pull. I don't think I've seen a stock SRT pull that low before.

I agree with Ryan...lowest I have seen for an SRT...the post flash numbers were closer to avg stock SRT..hmmm

[BadazBee-423]

Yea...see what ya mean now. Originally supposed to be 425 at crank -17% would put you @ 350 stock???? >>>>pondering my last post<<<<

[broc2238]

Yea...see what ya mean now. Originally supposed to be 425 at crank -17% would put you @ 350 stock???? >>>>pondering my last post<<<<

Most of the ones I see are dynoing between 360 and 370 stock

[Dookie]

Most of the ones I see are dynoing between 360 and 370 stock

:yes:

[3vom]

Hold the phone the car was dynoed in SoCal at the end of the nicest month and that was the best the car did. Stock SRT's run those numbers. You may need to explain a few things for us. How many miles and what elav. were you running 87 on first pull:) Real excited that you are trying to help us SRT owners out

[Power Ported Performance]

I just saw that too... Hmmm, I am wondering what kind of Dyno / Conditions would give these types of numbers. This the lowest I've seen as well. I know that this is the first Dave saw them as well and he forwarded them over to me and I posted them right away in between meetings at teh day job... I honestly didn't pay close attention to the actual numbers until just a few minutes ago. Maybe it was a Cherokee. I'll see what else I can find out.

[broc2238]

Could running the car in different gears have caused this discrepancy?

[Deuuuce]

VERY low initial #s. I don't think a recalibration (flash) and tune can get 30hp AT altitude from a factory NA motor like ours.

We'll just have to wait and see.

[sdcarguy]

could be heat soak to...

[Richie Carbone]

Smells like bullsh!t to me. There is no way that a tune will pick up that much power in a stock SRT8.

I have to raise the BS flag here.

[Power Ported Performance]

Hi Guys. Don't shoot the messenger just yet. :neutral: I will likely have to start over with a new thread and if necessary delete this one. I have to wait until tomorrow to talk to Dave. I am beginning to think Dave had a shop that he felt he could trust do the dyno's and like us, unfortunately didn't get a clear picture of what the numbers were up front before calling me to convey the excitement. Of course sometimes excitement has a way of catching and I think we both assumed the numbers would play out in the graphs once they were sent over.

Here is what I think happened. Car arrives heat soaked to the Dyno shop. Dynos were probably done right away. EDITED: Car was dyno'd post B&G Flash Heat SoakedCar was not allowed to cool when the B&G Dynos were done. (EDIT - THE FOLLOWING IS NO LONGER VALID: The shop likely took the lowest and highest and just conveyed that information.) I won't know for sure until I talk to Dave, but I can say that this probably isn't a fair accessment of what the Flash can do. In my opinion any dyno unless done on a road force dyno isn't going to accurately convey what this Flash will do for you.

If I need to retract the statement, I will in good faith. I am an enthusiast like yourselves and only want viable data when it comes to numbers on performance mods. Please see this post in the 300cforums on gains from a combo of my CNC Ported Heads and Intake and the B&G Flash. I know this doesn't give solid Stock, un-modded SRT-8 numbers with the flash, but does provide an indication of what a combo package will do.

http://www.300cforums.com/forums/srt8-general-discussion/25457-426-rwhp-421-rwq-thanks-ported-performance-b-g-fixer.html

This combo ran the customer about $2,886.00 with outbound and return shipping, plus what ever the costs were for installation. Not a bad deal for attaining 426 rwhp. The dyno sheets will be emailed to me in the next few days on those before and after runs.

I will update this thread, hopefully tomorrow after speaking with Dave and we decide what is the appropriate course of action on the claim for 30 hp and 50 lbs of torque. My apologies in advance for any confusion or questioning this may have caused.

Keeping it real,

Jeremy Steinman

[TNCHARGER]

Thanks Jeremy for the honesty..look forward to your updated report..:)

[GLHS837]

Guys, remember, respect goes both ways. PPP has earned resepct from evryone he's done business with, give him the benefit of the doubt. And, if you must take issues with the numbers, please do so in a respectful way.

While I myself am the biggest questioner of what this mod will or wont do, and led the way in asking for tested results on an otherwise stock car, which asking led to great friction, I'm not saying anything yet. Pro or con. These numbers are obviously flawed in some way.

We dont get mad at bad data, its just information, we just shrug and go get good data to replace it. I in no way think Jeremy was deliberatly trying to decieve folks, he was told a number which he reported. No big deal.

He's been upfront and explained, give him credit for that.

[Power Ported Performance]

Thanks for your patience guys. I actually talked to the shop this afternoon. I originally was going to call them to discuss a customer who is having Power Ported Performance Heads installed that placed their order yesterday and then when talking with Dave at B&G Performance this morning we realized it was the same shop that did the Dyno's. I updated the 1st post, but to summarize, based upon my conversation with the Dyno shop, both these runs, the enigne was fully Heat Soaked. They even said that admittedly this SRT-8 Heat Soaked dyno;d lower than others they had seen, but the gains were positive from the conditions it was dyno'd in. I know my SRT-8 feels way different with the B&G Flash, so I can only comment on what I've experienced.

Hopefully this helps some. Let me know if I can be of further assistance. I've extended the Special Buy Price of $615.00 with 2nd day return shipping included.

Sincerley,

Jeremy Steinman

[Richie Carbone]

Thanks for your patience guys. I actually talked to the shop this afternoon. I originally was going to call them to discuss a customer who is having Power Ported Performance Heads installed that placed their order yesterday and then when talking with Dave at B&G Performance this morning we realized it was the same shop that did the Dyno's. I updated the 1st post, but to summarize, based upon my conversation with the Dyno shop, both these runs, the enigne was fully Heat Soaked. They even said that admittedly this SRT-8 Heat Soaked dyno;d lower than others they had seen, but the gains were positive from the conditions it was dyno'd in. I know my SRT-8 feels way different with the B&G Flash, so I can only comment on what I've experienced.

Hopefully this helps some. Let me know if I can be of further assistance. I've extended the Special Buy Price of $615.00 with 2nd day return shipping included.

Sincerley,

Jeremy Steinman

If B&G did more accurate testing I would bet that their tune picks up no more than 15 rwhp over stock.

If they are concerned about heat soak, they should leave the test car in the shop overnight and test it the next morning. Bring the coolant temp to ~170 deg. and make a pull with the stock tune, then load in the B&G tune and make another pull with the coolant temp at ~170 deg.

That would take heat soak out of the equation.

Until I see it I don't beleive it!

[SRT BULL]

Ive dealt with a lot of "sponsored vendors" on these forums. I have to say that Jeremy was the most up front and honest by FAR. He's an enthusiast like we are who was fed up with other vendors' horrible customer service so he formed his own company. He is willing to take the time to answer any and all questions and is straight up - no BS. If his stock numbers are low- atleast he was honest enough to post the truth. Hes too busy building his new car for sema to be photoshopping some dyno. I'll show you guys numbers soon.....Im gettin it. Richie- he aint no BS. Take your negativity elsewhere...My numbers'll be up here soon.

[Richie Carbone]

Richie- he aint no BS. Take your negativity elsewhere...My numbers'll be up here soon.

OK, when you don't pick up anywhere near 30 RWHP and 50 RWTQ from the flash I'll be right here to say I told you so.

I've been modding cars for 14 years and I'm not new to the capabilites of todays computer controlled vehicles. I've never seen a stock car pick up more than 5-10 rwhp/rwtq from just a custom tune.

Even heavily modded cars (heads and cam) will only pick up 10 -15 rwhp over the untuned numbers, so explain to me how a completely stock SRT8 picks up 30 RWHP and 50 RWTQ from a custom tune.

If you take my skepticism as negitivity you need to toughen up and stop being "Super Sensitvity Man"

[sdcarguy]

Have you ever seen the Audi's? My first A4 1.8t went from 180 or so to 225 with a chip and my S4 went from 250 to 300 mind you this has to do with boost as well as but you get my point. It can be done IF there is room to do it with. Saying that I doubt there is 30 RWHP and 50RWTQ in our tune...maybe at the crank but even that is pushing it. But even with 0 gains in power if your shifts are better and the car runs harder does it matter?

[GLHS837]

Yep, no point in comparing turbo motor gains through tuning to N/A motor gains is appples and oranges. As for it it maters, depends on the buyers wants and needs. If he only wants to go faster, and doesnt car about feel, and it only feels faster with no gains in speed, then it matters to him.

[Richie Carbone]

Have you ever seen the Audi's? My first A4 1.8t went from 180 or so to 225 with a chip and my S4 went from 250 to 300 mind you this has to do with boost as well as but you get my point. It can be done IF there is room to do it with. Saying that I doubt there is 30 RWHP and 50RWTQ in our tune...maybe at the crank but even that is pushing it. But even with 0 gains in power if your shifts are better and the car runs harder does it matter?

Yes I'm familiar with boosted vehicles, I know that turbo diesel trucks can make amazing gains with a programmer alone.

My problem with this whole thing is if the guys at Power Ported Performance knew anything about cars they would have questioned the claim of such huge gains on a N/A gasoline engine with just a tune before running to their keyboard like a bunch of teenagers spouting off how you can gain 50 HP by adding stickers to your car.

As far as firmer shifts, if they are bumping up the line pressure to achieve this, the higher pressures will prematurely wipe out the the tranny.

I can't see spending $650.00 for a tune that will only allow for full WOT in first gear, get rid of the shift hesitation and possibly pick up a few HP.

The TSB for the shift hesitation will be out hopefully before the end of the year, and if HP Tuners is still in the game I'll just use that to tweak the car.

BULLET PROOF FLAME SUIT ON!!!!!:whistle:

[425hp]

I was sceptical of hp gains with CAI and cat back. I still told people I was at 425hp when I put CAI on even though the car seemed to pick up quicker and run just a little faster. Now with cat back, I know there is a difference. I think the addition of CAI with cat back completes the mod. More air in and more exhaust out. My opinion is that if the B&G ads a small incriment to what I am already experiencing than it is worth while. If it only ads 20 ponies, that is nearly a 5% increase in hp. CAI and catback say ads 20hp and then B&G ads 20hp, that amounts to a 10% increase in ponies. That is significant. Then if you ad port and polish and get another 20hp, that places the 425hp up to 485hp and almost 400hp at the wheels. If you want to silence those pesky mustang owners with their loping small blocks, I think 400hp at the wheels will pretty much shut them up.

C.

Silver 06 SRT-8

[kalbc]

My problem with this whole thing is if the guys at Power Ported Performance knew anything about cars they would have questioned the claim of such huge gains on a N/A gasoline engine with just a tune before running to their keyboard like a bunch of teenagers spouting off how you can gain 50 HP by adding stickers to your car.

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Respectfully I have to agree. This thing scared me away from the other products I was considering ordering. I'm sure he is a great guy and was caught up in the excitement, however he needs to be a little more responsible before posting the numbers and info in the thread cause I think anyone with a little experience would have known something was amiss.

With that being said I am glad to see what they are doing and i wish them the best of luck with everything.

[JSRT8]

I definately think that there are gains to be had with this flash, everything I've read leads me to believe this. The seat of the pants feeling that individuals with the flash are reporting, does not lie. However, the dyno claims as posted seem a bit unrealistic. I'm skeptical of the no.s, 30HP & 50ft/lb on a car with no other modifications (beside a program enhancement) is HUGE.

It seems to me like PPP is doing their best to clarify the results and in my mind that speaks volumes on it's own.

I'll be honest too, if I could buy credit's for my HPT to tune my car I would prefer that solution hands down, but since this is not the case, I like the positive things I've read about the flash and I'm considering buying it as well, regardless of these dyno results.

[TNCHARGER]

seems like anytime a vendor makes a claim on this forum the "NEG VULTURES" start circling:monster: ...some venors have deserved it but this thread does not..Jeremy immediatley acknowledged the problem and is/has provided an explantion...I for one am waiting on the revised numbers...and having already done the flash expect good results..:)

[Power Ported Performance]

Respectfully I have to agree. This thing scared me away from the other products I was considering ordering. I'm sure he is a great guy and was caught up in the excitement, however he needs to be a little more responsible before posting the numbers and info in the thread cause I think anyone with a little experience would have known something was amiss.

With that being said I am glad to see what they are doing and i wish them the best of luck with everything.

Actually I can appreciate the sentiment here. Others that know me know I have been involved with cars since I was a kid and I have seen a tune gain a substantial amount of horse power from other vehicles. There are numerous examples all over the web of tuning gains far beyond what we have seen here. I have been drag racing since I was 14 years old. Here is my Pro Street Drag Racer. http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/MembersPics/67Fastback.html

I think I might just know a little more about cars than you are giving me credit for. I would also say that I have faith in the shop that did the Dyno and in Dave. I am sure there would be other results from other SRT-8's, and yes I was skeptical, but having driven my car with the Flash, I know there are good gains there. My dyno results proved 12 HP with the Stage 1 Flash and according to Dave, that was a baby Flash compared to what is now available in the Stage 2.

I would be glad to discuss with you the benefits of Power Ported Performance products and I truly regret you feel somewhat reluctant to purchase products from us, but if there is anything I can do to convince you otherwise, please contact me directly and I would be glad to answer any questions you might have to rebuild my reputation with you. Here is a post from Bearmandog, who has seen the gains and experienced benefits of our products.
http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=380487&postcount=173

As for vehicle experience, here is one of the cars going into SEMA with the Turbo kit we are releasing at SEMA. We have been working on this since Aug 2005 and we are only going public now when it is ready. We haven't been blowing smoke while developing it because only a handful of people knew it wass being worked on and I am not one to just blurt out something to seek a financial gain. I am in this for the growth of the community and honestly, by the blessing of God do not need to do this to make ends meet. If you want to know more about who I am, please read the link in my signature and I think you will better understand why I am doing this.


http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1895/dsc06560lc5.jpg

[Bud]

Does the stage 2 include the TCM flash? I'm seriously considering the stage 2 here in the next month. Also, I've heard a military discount is out there. Any truth to the rumor? Thanks.

[TNCHARGER]

Does the stage 2 include the TCM flash? I'm seriously considering the stage 2 here in the next month. Also, I've heard a military discount is out there. Any truth to the rumor? Thanks.

Don't know about the discount Bud but the Stage II flash is separate from the TCM flash...even though the stage II has some effect on the trans...

[Bud]

TN, thanks! But you like the B&G flash, and are having a bit more fun in the beast, right? What was the final word on the flash if and when a DC trans flash/fix comes out? Will the B&G flash interfere or be negaited? Forgive my ignorance, all this car stuff is new to me.

[TNCHARGER]

TN, thanks! But you like the B&G flash, and are having a bit more fun in the beast, right? What was the final word on the flash if and when a DC trans flash/fix comes out? Will the B&G flash interfere or be negaited? Forgive my ignorance, all this car stuff is new to me.

Bud you are not alone about this car stuff...I come from the 60s-70s era..got out of performance mods back in the early 80s due to very little available..the B&G flash worked for me..my only complaint is I was told to expect old time "shift kit" shifts..while the trans shifts fast it does not shift hard..my SRT10 RAM shifts very fast & HARD...wish the SRT8 would...

As far as the upcoming DC flash..my understanding is it will do away with the B&G and be a permanent flash (I question that..the permanent part)...anyway, with the B&G flash you will not need the DC flash..:)

[425hp]

Actually I can appreciate the sentiment here. Others that know me know I have been involved with cars since I was a kid and I have seen a tune gain a substantial amount of horse power from other vehicles. There are numerous examples all over the web of tuning gains far beyond what we have seen here. I have been drag racing since I was 14 years old. Here is my Pro Street Drag Racer. http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/MembersPics/67Fastback.html

I think I might just know a little more about cars than you are giving me credit for. I would also say that I have faith in the shop that did the Dyno and in Dave. I am sure there would be other results from other SRT-8's, and yes I was skeptical, but having driven my car with the Flash, I know there are good gains there. My dyno results proved 12 HP with the Stage 1 Flash and according to Dave, that was a baby Flash compared to what is now available in the Stage 2.

I would be glad to discuss with you the benefits of Power Ported Performance products and I truly regret you feel somewhat reluctant to purchase products from us, but if there is anything I can do to convince you otherwise, please contact me directly and I would be glad to answer any questions you might have to rebuild my reputation with you. Here is a post from Bearmandog, who has seen the gains and experienced benefits of our products.
http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=380487&postcount=173

As for vehicle experience, here is one of the cars going into SEMA with the Turbo kit we are releasing at SEMA. We have been working on this since Aug 2005 and we are only going public now when it is ready. We haven't been blowing smoke while developing it because only a handful of people knew it wass being worked on and I am not one to just blurt out something to seek a financial gain. I am in this for the growth of the community and honestly, by the blessing of God do not need to do this to make ends meet. If you want to know more about who I am, please read the link in my signature and I think you will better understand why I am doing this.



http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1895/dsc06560lc5.jpg

I bought the B&G from Jeremy. I think it will be a reasonable hp gain for a reasonable price. My cat back cost a lot more! NOW about this Jeremy? You can't just show something like this without info. Johnny 5 needs input.


C.

Silver 06 SRT-8

[Power Ported Performance]

The upcoming DC flash will lower the RPM shift point, thereby improving the feeling of the shift from 1st to 2nd gear. The issue with this is the same I have for the Brake fix. Dust is still there and the rims look bad, but the rotors don't groove. The comments above are true as well. B&G does not offer a TCM Flash. Perhaps in the future this will become an offer. As for the DC Flash, I guess you can have it done, then pay for shipping and have your PCM reflashed to the B&G Flash. You can have this done up to 4 times in the first 12 months after your purchasse and you only pay for shipping. I guess the only way to find out is to cross that bridge when we get to it.

[Bud]

The upcoming DC flash will lower the RPM shift point, thereby improving the feeling of the shift from 1st to 2nd gear. The issue with this is the same I have for the Brake fix. Dust is still there and the rims look bad, but the rotors don't groove. The comments above are true as well. B&G does not offer a TCM Flash. Perhaps in the future this will become an offer. As for the DC Flash, I guess you can have it done, then pay for shipping and have your PCM reflashed to the B&G Flash. You can have this done up to 4 times in the first 12 months after your purchasse and you only pay for shipping. I guess the only way to find out is to cross that bridge when we get to it.

Thanks! Is it fairly easy for a nug like me to do the flash? And...I've heard about a military discount...any truth to it?

[Power Ported Performance]

I bought the B&G from Jeremy. I think it will be a reasonable hp gain for a reasonable price. My cat back cost a lot more! NOW about this Jeremy? You can't just show something like this without info. Johnny 5 needs input.


C.

Silver 06 SRT-8

Hey CP, lot's of details coming out shortly. Essentially we have spent literarely thousands of hours in time, research, design, fabrication, testing, refabrication and retesting and then a whole lot of repeating the sequence until things were right. We have invested heavily in this venture for the benefit of the community. Stay tuned for more details.

[TNCHARGER]

Thanks! Is it fairly easy for a nug like me to do the flash? And...I've heard about a military discount...any truth to it?

Bud..you just send your PCM to B&G and they will next day it back..I sent mine on a Friday (because I wanted it by the next Tuesday)...they got it Monday and I had it back before 10am Tuesday...

[Power Ported Performance]

Thanks! Is it fairly easy for a nug like me to do the flash? And...I've heard about a military discount...any truth to it?

Absolutely easy. Please contact me tomorrow and we will get everything worked out. And yes, we fully support our troops. I can give you details when we speak. I am looking forward to speaking.

Best Regards,

Jeremy Steinman

[425hp]

Hey CP, lot's of details coming out shortly. Essentially we have spent literarely thousands of hours in time, research, design, fabrication, testing, refabrication and retesting and then a whole lot of repeating the sequence until things were right. We have invested heavily in this venture for the benefit of the community. Stay tuned for more details.

Ok, but at least tell us if it is a 426 stoker in that turbo monster.

C.

Silver 06 SRT-8

[Power Ported Performance]

It's actually GRIP Tunings 5.7L show car. Here are a few threads...

http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23690

http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23726

[kalbc]

Actually I can appreciate the sentiment here. Others that know me know I have been involved with cars since I was a kid and I have seen a tune gain a substantial amount of horse power from other vehicles. There are numerous examples all over the web of tuning gains far beyond what we have seen here. I have been drag racing since I was 14 years old. Here is my Pro Street Drag Racer. http://mustangsandmore.50megs.com/MembersPics/67Fastback.html

I think I might just know a little more about cars than you are giving me credit for. I would also say that I have faith in the shop that did the Dyno and in Dave. I am sure there would be other results from other SRT-8's, and yes I was skeptical, but having driven my car with the Flash, I know there are good gains there. My dyno results proved 12 HP with the Stage 1 Flash and according to Dave, that was a baby Flash compared to what is now available in the Stage 2.

I would be glad to discuss with you the benefits of Power Ported Performance products and I truly regret you feel somewhat reluctant to purchase products from us, but if there is anything I can do to convince you otherwise, please contact me directly and I would be glad to answer any questions you might have to rebuild my reputation with you. Here is a post from Bearmandog, who has seen the gains and experienced benefits of our products.

As for vehicle experience, here is one of the cars going into SEMA with the Turbo kit we are releasing at SEMA. We have been working on this since Aug 2005 and we are only going public now when it is ready. We haven't been blowing smoke while developing it because only a handful of people knew it wass being worked on and I am not one to just blurt out something to seek a financial gain. I am in this for the growth of the community and honestly, by the blessing of God do not need to do this to make ends meet. If you want to know more about who I am, please read the link in my signature and I think you will better understand why I am doing this.

Here is a link to the Turbo thread...


Good response. I intended no disrespect. i have just ran into my fair share of snale oil lately so i am just hoping the vendors are careful. I am interested in the heas but I would like to install a MDS compatible cam. Will MDS still function after the flash? If this has been answered I apologize. There are so many threads going with cams and heads.

[SRT BULL]

Ive ordered the PPP heads, intake, and upgrades...its comin in this weekend. Im gonna get that installed and have pics, and pre and post dynos for everyone. As well as pre and post flashes. I for one am very confident that Jeremy knows what he's doing.

[95ttoplt1]

Hey guys, I have a couple answers to what is going on here. The update flash from DC is a TCM flash, not a PCM flash, these are 2 seperate unit and the update should not overwrite what B&G does.

The line pressure argument has no bearing here as the B&G doesn't affect line pressure as this is the PCM programming, not TCM programming. The line pressure and shift timing is controled by the TCM. The B&G reduces torque management(engine limiting), which adds to the feel of the shifts.

Nothing in the tranny is changed, the engine is simply released to do its job and the tranny feel is a by product of the engine not letting up on the shifts.

I can say that Jeremy is a great guy to deal with and very honest.

He takes care of the military as well :)

I will post my dyno numbers as soon as my wheel bearings come in, and I will switch back and forth between PCMs to ensure that it is not a testing fluke.

[GLHS837]

Just remeber to watch (and log :))those coolant temps:)

[extremez97]

does anybody have contact info for b&g?

[Bud]

does anybody have contact info for b&g?

http://www.bgperformancepcm.com/

[95ttoplt1]

Just remeber to watch (and log :))those coolant temps:)

I will do my best, I plan on icing the intake between runs as well. I just installed my 180 stat and have a temp regulated fan control in the mail.

Please PM with any tips or advice so I can get as accurate data as possible and hopefully end the guessing/speculation/testing debates.

[GLHS837]

No need for a PM, the testing method is simple. Variables that can be controlled must be, if they cant, they must be logged. So, say you did your first run at 170 degrees coolant temp, then every effort must be made to run your second at that temp.

Now, in the real world, stuff happens, say a breakdown on the track, you spend more time in the staging lanes than you expect. Come launch, your at 190 or 160. Nothing to be done, just make sure that you note that difference so its effects can be judged.

Ambients cant be controlled, except through planning. Right now, here in the states, for instance, Theres a 10 degree difference between 9 am and 3pm temps, so a before at 9am and an after at 3pm could really affect it. Same day is cool, but can be decieving too.

Now, track prep conditions are another point. Who runs in front of you can make a difference, as can lane choice. Switching lanes is a bad idea for consistency. You might net a better time, but it can skew your results. More runs are better. It lets us average.

Lastly, never, ever change more than one variable, not if you want to test only one item. Its a pain to mod just one thing, then run, then mod again, then run, but if you dont, then you can never really know what changes made what difference.

[95ttoplt1]

Yep I will control all I can, I have other ideas but I didn't want to Spam up Jeremy's thread.

The dyno I am going to supposedly can do 1/4 mile passes as well. I will see what is says, not for the et, but for a gain or what ever et it comes up with.

If you are considering this mod please PM me as to what/how you would like it dyno'd and I will do what I can, hopefully next week end.

[Power Ported Performance]

Thanks buddy. Sounds like a great dyno. We are seeking a quality Dyno source. Can you gather details on make and model for us? We will eventually be getting a dyno for our R&D efforts.

[95ttoplt1]

Thanks buddy. Sounds like a great dyno. We are seeking a quality Dyno source. Can you gather details on make and model for us? We will eventually be getting a dyno for our R&D efforts.

I will certainly try.

I just got my flash today and of course it is raining :(

Initial impressions are that the power gained is not much, but there.

The big difference I noticed are the shifts. My car has made maybe 3 or 4 clean 1-2 shifts in its life. After a short drive with the B&G it never missed one. Also with the raised revlimiter you can actually use the auto stick with out bashing your head off the steering wheel.
Before I had to shift at 5k and hope it caught in time. Today I could whack the stick at 55oo and it would complete the shift at 62-6300.

I also had the machine gun, or jake brake sound between shifts as a product of the tq managment. This is gone.

The throttle response seems the same as stock, although in first gear there is a definate differnce once the show starts.

I would describe the feeling like a turbo car response stock, after the flash it simply feels like you have more boost. But the same initial lag .

My opinion is that this mod is worth the money if no more power is made just from the gains in first gear, and the fact that I can floor it and it friggin shifts.

The PCM with a good TCM would be great and I will post my results as soon as I can get it :)

[jay2puff]

witch stage did you take for your pcm stage 1 or stage 2

[95ttoplt1]

witch stage did you take for your pcm stage 1 or stage 2

If your asking me I have the stage 2.

I might look into getting updated to a stage 2/3 hybrid after I see what this is like on dry roads.

[Power Ported Performance]

Try the throttle reset procedure. I noticed mine worked better after doing the procedure.

Place the ignition in the ON position. Wait until most or all the dash lights go out. You might still have the engine and lightning bolt lights lite still. Push the Pedal to the floor at a slow to medium pace and use the same pace to lift it back to the idle position. Turn the ignition to the Off position, then start the car.

I know a lot of people say this doesn't work, but it actually does if your throttle calibration is off and the throttle response seems sluggish, like you decribed as Turbo lag.

Let us know...

Best Regards,

Jeremy Steinman

[95ttoplt1]

Try the throttle reset procedure. I noticed mine worked better after doing the procedure.

Place the ignition in the ON position. Wait until most or all the dash lights go out. You might still have the engine and lightning bolt lights lite still. Push the Pedal to the floor at a slow to medium pace and use the same pace to lift it back to the idle position. Turn the ignition to the Off position, then start the car.

I know a lot of people say this doesn't work, but it actually does if your throttle calibration is off and the throttle response seems sluggish, like you decribed as Turbo lag.

Let us know...

Best Regards,

Jeremy Steinman

Ok I will try this and see. I did it before on my stock PCM and I couldn't tell a differnce. But I will try again.

On a bad note my dyno will be delayed. I have been chasing a vibration since new and just found out I have 4 bad F1's :(

Troy

BTW the flash is better and better every day it seems. Today was the warmest it has been in a week, about 80, and tires were having issues holding the road :) Before on a 40 degree day I couldn't turn them at all. I can't attribute this to added power but maybe just the trimming of the nanny type devices.

I will discuss extra power after the dyno :)

[high888]

We folks here in Arizona have 91 octane. Depends on which brand but some is better than others. Arco is absolute crap. So, can the Stage II operate
using 91 octane, or will I detonate like crazy? Is stage II pushing it to much?

[95ttoplt1]

We folks here in Arizona have 91 octane. Depends on which brand but some is better than others. Arco is absolute crap. So, can the Stage II operate
using 91 octane, or will I detonate like crazy? Is stage II pushing it to much?

IMHO and limited experience with it, I have not heard the any pinging at all. I have driven in temps from 35-85 so far. I won't ever see the temps you will see in AZ. I also have 180 T-stat and $40 dollar fan mod to keep the temps around 180-190.

I think you would be good :)

[SRT BULL]

I just got my B&G today!! Thanks Jeremy. I'll keep you all posted as to MHO.

[425hp]

We folks here in Arizona have 91 octane. Depends on which brand but some is better than others. Arco is absolute crap. So, can the Stage II operate
using 91 octane, or will I detonate like crazy? Is stage II pushing it to much?

I live here too. I am using B&G with no problems.

C.

Silver 06 SRT-8

[TALON]

Can't wait to see some #'s

[jay2puff]

well i try my new PCM at the track tonight and let me tell you my best at
197° a 12,475 @ 116.387MPH temp outside was 35° DA i dont know but i was in Napierville
i make around 13 pass all around 12.5-12,7
we were only 20 cars at the track
the car best time was made when the car was around 195°
even with my son in the car i manage 12,7 2 time

[SRT BULL]

This flash is nice! Right when I think the thing is a beast- it jumps up to the next level.....#s shortly- waitin for Moe to organize a dyno day. I have 2 pcms now - one with the stage 2 jc and now one with the bgII,,,cant wait to swap em out during the next dyno. Shifts are much quicker- that alone make it worth it. Rev limiter's up a little- useful cuz mine jumps up there quick. Did a 270 tryin to make a u-turn with the esp off!!