Hypertec vs Superchips

[timdangelo]

I've searched the threads and couldn't find OPINIONS on hypertec vs superchips tuners. To start I have the R/T with R&T package so an intake or exhaust in my OPINION in throwing away money since I already have the larger intake tube, I will get the K&N drop in soon, and an upgraded exhaust due to the R&T package.

The hypertech and be purhased for $289 shipped and the superchips for $365 shipped. I've checked the dyno numbers and the features and they seem to be real similar. Once the 80k warranty is expired I will have a shop install a supercharger, but more than likely from now till then it will be a programmer and the GS Motorsports ESP/Torque Management /Fan Modification because I hate the stock shift points.

Please throw out your opinions on the hypertech vs superchips. Thanks.

[Heavy H.P.]

Bump

Id like to know some info about it too.
I will say Im on alot of the boards and I dont see alot of people useing the hypertech. I know that the hypertech isnt really worth crap for the LS1's but thats too differ motors. Its possible they could have came a long way by now.

[TNCHARGER]

From what I have read in past post here the SC has many more functions than the HT...I don't believe the HT gives you the ability to somewhat tune for certain mods like the SC...My brother has the SC and per dyno he increased 19hp on the 91 octane tune..

[hemicharged]

From what I have read in past post here the SC has many more functions than the HT...I don't believe the HT gives you the ability to somewhat tune for certain mods like the SC...My brother has the SC and per dyno he increased 19hp on the 91 octane tune..
when you say SC are you talkin abou the jet chip stage 2? damn 19 hp is great

[badmfer]

no when he says SC he means superchip flachpaq its the best by far i went from jet stage 1 didnt like too hypertech didnt like too superchip flashpaq i freakin love this thing its awesome worth ever penny thanx

[hemicharged]

no when he says SC he means superchip flachpaq its the best by far i went from jet stage 1 didnt like too hypertech didnt like too superchip flashpaq i freakin love this thing its awesome worth ever penny thanx

oh ok i think i found it..

http://www.ls1speed.com/catagory.cfm?catagory=PCM%20/%20Electrical

is that a good price for it? $485?

[TNCHARGER]

Yes..SC= SuperChip

HT= HyperTech

[TNCHARGER]

oh ok i think i found it..

http://www.ls1speed.com/catagory.cfm?catagory=PCM%20/%20Electrical

is that a good price for it? $485?

Check with the supporting vendors on this forum..call and tell them your are a Charger Forums member and you probably will get it for less..

[timdangelo]

oh ok i think i found it..

http://www.ls1speed.com/catagory.cfm?catagory=PCM%20/%20Electrical

is that a good price for it? $485?

$365 FROM EBAY ALL DAY! $485 IS A HORRIBLE PRICE.

[timdangelo]

From what I have read in past post here the SC has many more functions than the HT...I don't believe the HT gives you the ability to somewhat tune for certain mods like the SC...My brother has the SC and per dyno he increased 19hp on the 91 octane tune..

Dyno numbers per the HT and SC web pages are almost identical. AND, I'm not planning on modding like most since I belive the Road and Track package will not give me much HP or Torque gains for my dollar using the normal upgrade path of intake, exhaust then headers, ect..

So with that said again, does anyone have the Hypertech on this group?

[TNCHARGER]

$365 FROM EBAY ALL DAY! $485 IS A HORRIBLE PRICE.

If he gets one off Ebay can he still have the correct software date info downloaded if it is used (or new)..

[TNCHARGER]

Dyno numbers per the HT and SC web pages are almost identical. AND, I'm not planning on modding like most since I belive the Road and Track package will not give me much HP or Torque gains for my dollar using the normal upgrade path of intake, exhaust then headers, ect..
So with that said again, does anyone have the Hypertech on this group?

Some members with the R&T (and Daytonas) including my brother have seen 20+ HP improvements with exhaust, headers and intake...

[Kaikou]

I use the hypertech power programmer. Honestly, I don't see much difference in my miles per gallon, nor can a really say I notice a difference in performance. That isn't to say there wasn't as much as a 10 HP increase as they claim, but I don't feel it.

[mrem1080]

Never used a HT but I do have a SC and I'm very satisfied with it.

[Cool_Vanilla]

These two tuners were extensively put to the test at the GIFO4 (http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=31392). The bottom line was this:

-Superchips showed no improvement in HP or TRQ over the stock tune. HOWEVER, the shift pattern of the TCM was far better with the SC. That reason alone makes this a must have mod.
-Hypertech actually showed a decrease over stock numbers, however it gives you the ability to specify certain params without changing the tune itself. For this reason, it gets the nod over a Jet Chip
-The Jet showed near same as stock numbers, however its real benefit comes in at extreme speeds (as proven by Meister). This gets the nod over the Hypertech only if you plan on doing all your driving at or over 100mph.

Give those results a read. Some very interesting stuff to be found.

Also, we're revisiting the Jet / SC combination at the upcoming MFO5 (http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=37056). It might be that, when combined and when heads and cams are swapped, this duo takes care of any rough idle issues and actually increases performance. Stay tuned!

[Absocharged]

SC is the way to go realy.

[TNCHARGER]

These two tuners were extensively put to the test at the GIFO4 (http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=31392). The bottom line was this:

-Superchips showed no improvement in HP or TRQ over the stock tune. HOWEVER, the shift pattern of the TCM was far better with the SC. That reason alone makes this a must have mod.
-Hypertech actually showed a decrease over stock numbers, however it gives you the ability to specify certain params without changing the tune itself. For this reason, it gets the nod over a Jet Chip
-The Jet showed near same as stock numbers, however its real benefit comes in at extreme speeds (as proven by Meister). This gets the nod over the Hypertech only if you plan on doing all your driving at or over 100mph.

Give those results a read. Some very interesting stuff to be found.

Also, we're revisiting the Jet / SC combination at the upcoming MFO5 (http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=37056). It might be that, when combined and when heads and cams are swapped, this duo takes care of any rough idle issues and actually increases performance. Stay tuned!

We ran back to back dyno runs on my brother's RT and the SC increased it by 19hp. The torque increased but forgot what it was..

[Cool_Vanilla]

We ran back to back dyno runs on my brother's RT and the SC increased it by 19hp. The torque increased but forgot what it was..
I'd love to see those graphs or the raw data; that's very different than any result we've got... and we've run on multiple cars on different days. Not sayin you didn't see those gains, I'm just very curious to understand how your tests differed from our so greatly!

[Cool_Vanilla]

Incidentally, I should point out all our data is stated in terms of averages; that is we run 3 consecutive pulls and if the data falls within our expected deviation, we lock that in as a "good" run and include it in the averaging for the given setup.

So while we might have shown an increase for any given run, the statistical average showed no significant difference. Perhaps that's the difference??

[TNCHARGER]

I'd love to see those graphs or the raw data; that's very different than any result we've got... and we've run on multiple cars on different days. Not sayin you didn't see those gains, I'm just very curious to understand how your tests differed from our so greatly!

I am going to post his whole set of dynos after we do one for the PP heads...all his base & mod dynos were done in 50 degree weather..temps got into the 80s before he could get a pull for the heads..should be soon..

[RTaddiction]

Incidentally, I should point out all our data is stated in terms of averages; that is we run 3 consecutive pulls and if the data falls within our expected deviation, we lock that in as a "good" run and include it in the averaging for the given setup.

So while we might have shown an increase for any given run, the statistical average showed no significant difference. Perhaps that's the difference??

CV - when you guys do your dyno runs, do you log engine temp before and after each run? If you're not maintaining consitent engine temps across multiple pulls, this can GREATLY skew the results. It's for this reason I'm VERY skeptical of any dyno data without engine temps between runs being compared. How do you address this?

[Cool_Vanilla]

CV - when you guys do your dyno runs, do you log engine temp before and after each run? If you're not maintaining consitent engine temps across multiple pulls, this can GREATLY skew the results. It's for this reason I'm VERY skeptical of any dyno data without engine temps between runs being compared. How do you address this?Since day one RTaddiction. You betcha this is absolutely imperative to repeatable results. In fact, we're going to fully explore this (different starting temps) at the MFO5; including the use of an IR gun to measure actual block temps, allow a set time for cooling ect...

As for the data I quoted above from the GIFO4, every pull was made at a starting engine coolant temp of 210. The ending temps of any given pull ranged from 226-232.

Remember, it doesn't really matter if we started with a cold engine for each set of tests. What does matter is that we started both sets under the identical conditions. So, by setting a temp of 210 for each dyno pull we made we established that consistent start point.

Make sense?

[RTaddiction]

Since day one RTaddiction. You betcha this is absolutely imperative to repeatable results. In fact, we're going to fully explore this (different starting temps) at the MFO5; including the use of an IR gun to measure actual block temps, allow a set time for cooling ect...

As for the data I quoted above from the GIFO4, every pull was made at a starting engine coolant temp of 210. The ending temps of any given pull ranged from 226-232.

Remember, it doesn't really matter if we started with a cold engine for each set of tests. What does matter is that we started both sets under the identical conditions. So, by setting a temp of 210 for each dyno pull we made we established that consistent start point.

Make sense?

I figured you had this covered but I wanted to make sure. There's a lot of very misleading dyno data out there and I would bet that a lot of the inflated 'gains' data you see is due to non-consistent starting temps.

Thanks for clarifying this and for being so thorough in your testing. The IR gun is a very interesting idea - I like it...

[Cool_Vanilla]

I figured you had this covered but I wanted to make sure. There's a lot of very misleading dyno data out there and I would bet that a lot of the inflated 'gains' data you see is due to non-consistent starting temps.

Thanks for clarifying this and for being so thorough in your testing. The IR gun is a very interesting idea - I like it...:rockon: Hey, truly I am just the spokesman for this stuff. These events have been the culmination of a bunch of folks work over the past year and its been 100% member and supporting vendor financed. I hope we've justified the faith you've all put in us, and in the process that we've learned stuff that has not only helped us all understand our LXs, but also maybe helped you decide on where to spend your valuable moddin dollars.

[HemiR/T27]

I have the Hypertec. I noticed a definite difference.

[Kaikou]

I have the hypertech programmer and it is true that it has very limited tuning capability. You can remove the speed limiter, and tune it to a preset octane level. It also adjusts the shifts to be much more firm and quick. I have not tried a superchip so I can't compare, but I'm satisfied with my hypertech.

[WickedSRT8]

I am betting any SOTP feel you get is from the higher shift pionts as well as the boost in line pressure given to the transmission. *IF* there were power gains, even 20HP, my guess is your butt dyno isn't sensative enough... at least mine isn't!!

[blacksax1]

I've searched the threads and couldn't find OPINIONS on hypertec vs superchips tuners. To start I have the R/T with R&T package so an intake or exhaust in my OPINION in throwing away money since I already have the larger intake tube, I will get the K&N drop in soon, and an upgraded exhaust due to the R&T package.

The hypertech and be purhased for $289 shipped and the superchips for $365 shipped. I've checked the dyno numbers and the features and they seem to be real similar. Once the 80k warranty is expired I will have a shop install a supercharger, but more than likely from now till then it will be a programmer and the GS Motorsports ESP/Torque Management /Fan Modification because I hate the stock shift points.

Please throw out your opinions on the hypertech vs superchips. Thanks.

WRONG, the RT and even Daytona exhaust is very restrictive. An upgrade in those areas is well worth the money. Definitely allows the car to breathe more.
Next, Superchips is more versatile with a lot more functions.

[jeeplaw]

How restrictive is the daytona exhaust? I'm about to buy into a used GMG and my upgrade path is CAI, SC, and then exhaust..what would be a good cat back exhaust system, comparable to stock daytona sound that would give good hp increase?

WRONG, the RT and even Daytona exhaust is very restrictive. An upgrade in those areas is well worth the money. Definitely allows the car to breathe more.
Next, Superchips is more versatile with a lot more functions.

[blacksax1]

First of all, the stock headers have really narrow tubing. At the stock mid pipes the wideth is 3in, and then tapers to 2.25 in. That part is ok, the cat-converters hold a lot of restriction and the suitcase mufflers do. I just put on a full JBA system...2.5 in pipe all around with hi-flo converters, and mufflers. It definitely breathes better.