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elli0788
09-19-2005, 02:15 AM
is an srt-8 hood possible on the se.
i go for the look so any suggestions. i still havent gotten my charger yet but im going to soon. so any suggestions to make it look cool. please post a picture of the mod if possible




Manris
09-19-2005, 02:50 AM
i'm sure it is very possible, I don't think DCX has started selling the OEM SRT8 hood as a individual part yet so I'm not sure where you can get it or if anyone has done it yet. In fact I'm sure that there are people on this forum that are planning to do that same mod. However, while the 3.5 V6 is no slouch some might give you hard time since you aren't packing an 8 under the hood.

robs
09-19-2005, 09:16 AM
However, while the 3.5 V6 is no slouch some might give you hard time since you aren't packing an 8 under the hood.

I agree with you on that statement... but being a SE owner... and liking the look of the SRT8, and just not being able to cover the costs of the payments, and my new house... go for what you like and can afford... to hell with the rest of'em.

GoDaddy
09-19-2005, 09:52 AM
hell no guys...i own an r/t....i want the srt 8 hood and wheels. and you v6 guys - go get you a hood.

but alas - it isn't even close to sale just yet. i am on the look out so once i see it available i will post, of course after i buy mine first..lol

fitment shouldn't be an issue at all....the bodies are pretty much identical around the board...so bolt on and go type mod....well after some paint.

Awesome
09-19-2005, 10:00 AM
It's an awesome hood... I want one as well. I don't think we will see extra hoods stamped and out of production with part numbers to buy until early January :sad: GoDaddy, do you feel the same about the timeline?

GoDaddy
09-19-2005, 10:30 AM
just not sure....production is suppose to start very soon and i don't think they will want any parts out before the actual car is available......maybe late oct. or nov. hopefully not all the way into jan. but it could be very possible. dodge is going to make a killing on these hoods....everyone wants one.

robs
09-19-2005, 10:47 AM
. hopefully not all the way into jan. but it could be very possible.

I hope not... otherwise I will have to have another space heater put in my garage... I hate working on cars in a big parka when its bareass cold outside... :mad: :sad:

moparfan
09-19-2005, 10:48 AM
Not trying to flame here, but being one who has spent the extra $$$ on an SRT-8, I think the hood should be kept exclusive to that car.

Kinda like "false advertising" when you put that hood on a car that doesn't have the 6.1L don't you think??

When I see a Charger from a distance, I'd like to know what they really have under the hood rather than trying to figure out if it's "real" or not. Just my opinion... probably will be slammed by those who think differently.

ChargerSXT
09-19-2005, 10:50 AM
I want to get one for my SXT. And my wife has OK'd it. She loves the look and she says that whatever makes me happy, makes her happy! :happy:

I am one lucky guy! :happy:

GoDaddy
09-19-2005, 10:59 AM
Not trying to flame here, but being one who has spent the extra $$$ on an SRT-8, I think the hood should be kept exclusive to that car.

Kinda like "false advertising" when you put that hood on a car that doesn't have the 6.1L don't you think??

When I see a Charger from a distance, I'd like to know what they really have under the hood rather than trying to figure out if it's "real" or not. Just my opinion... probably will be slammed by those who think differently.

i won't flame you for your opinion but you are doing exactly what the guys posted above..flaming them. we all want to customize our cars to our liking. if you like the hood cool. but the hood doesn't add any performance value to the srt8....all it is doing is pushing air to the engine bay...which it would also do for the r/t, sxt, se. i am happy u want the srt8, a little jealous-yes, but i still want the hood regardless. this type of responce to me would be like the daytona guys flaming me for putting a daytona grill on my car with the r/t....we all want that little something special...i am not trying to "pose" as something i am not. my 2 cents

scott

DutchMaster
09-19-2005, 11:08 AM
i won't flame you for your opinion but you are doing exactly what the guys posted above..flaming them. we all want to customize our cars to our liking. if you like the hood cool. but the hood doesn't add any performance value to the srt8....all it is doing is pushing air to the engine bay...which it would also do for the r/t, sxt, se. i am happy u want the srt8, a little jealous-yes, but i still want the hood regardless. this type of responce to me would be like the daytona guys flaming me for putting a daytona grill on my car with the r/t....we all want that little something special...i am not trying to "pose" as something i am not. my 2 cents

scott

Very True.. I was gonig to buy the SRT8, but I didnt want to wait. In fact, my R/T is going to BE an SRT8 (minus the 6.1L Engine). I figure its better to buy the R/T, and then buy the parts afterwards WITHOUT paying Chrystler interest on the parts as I would if I bought the SRT8.

Bottom line is that I would have bought the SRT8 if it was available at the time. but my car WILL look like one. I can understand you wanting to keep the look exclusive, but that is not going to happen. I know GoDaddy and I are chomping at the bit for this hood - and we WILL have it.

moparfan
09-19-2005, 11:15 AM
all it is doing is pushing air to the engine bay...which it would also do for the r/t, sxt, se... scott

Scott,

Agreed. I don't know why Dodge didn't put the functional hood scoop on all of the Chargers since it provides more air cooling for the engine.

Completely understood if it is for a functionality improvement... but if it is just to "make it look like the faster SRT-8", then I think the motives are questionable.

DutchMaster
09-19-2005, 11:22 AM
Call me a poser or whatever you want to. My motives are to my make my car look the way I want it to. If it means putting an SRT8 Hood on it, it will be done. Im not trying to pose like I have a 6.1L - Im trying to make my car look the way I want.

Awesome
09-19-2005, 11:22 AM
Scott,

Agreed. I don't know why Dodge didn't put the functional hood scoop on all of the Chargers since it provides more air cooling for the engine.

Completely understood if it is for a functionality improvement... but if it is just to "make it look like the faster SRT-8", then I think the motives are questionable.


I do not want to become a "wannabe" with the SRT hood, however, I do want cool air feeding my CAI with a functional scoop and don't want a flimsy fiberglass hood. The SRT8 Charger hood is the best for this purpose and looks great

DutchMaster
09-19-2005, 11:23 AM
+1 (me too)

moparfan
09-19-2005, 11:24 AM
In fact, my R/T is going to BE an SRT8 (minus the 6.1L Engine). I figure its better to buy the R/T, and then buy the parts afterwards WITHOUT paying Chrystler interest on the parts as I would if I bought the SRT8.

I've been in other discussions regarding the mods to the R/T to bring it as close to the SRT-8 as possible, but I still wonder if all the money being spent on mods and time invested in installing them is worth it if they might void warranty and/or cause other problems...?

Completely understand not wanting to wait for the SRT-8 to be available... thought about that myself a number of times, but as they say "patience is a virtue" :smile:

For the ~$5K difference in price (+2.1K guzzler tax), I would think all of the mods and money in time spent installing would be about equal. Plus, there is a lot more to the 6.1L engine as compared to the 5.7L as posted in this message:

Here is the full list of changes to the 6.1 hemi to produce and handle 420hp and 425 ftlbs.

Quote:
• The basic, deep-skirted engine block structure was redesigned with reinforced bulkheads to handle higher loads.
• To get more air in and out of the cylinders, SRT engineers bored out the diameter of each cylinder by approximately 3.5 millimeters in order to increase the total displacement from 5.7 liters to 6.1 liters. Cylinders are honed with torque plates to ensure a truer bore, to reduce friction and increase power.
• Oil squirters, aimed at the underside of each piston, are added to aid piston cooling for engine durability. A special oil pump pressure relief valve is added to accommodate the squirter oil flow.
• The oil pan and windage tray are modified to manage oil return to the pan sump at high engine speeds and improve power.
• Larger-diameter, flat-top pistons with high-load capability are specified to handle the SRT 6.1-liter HEMI’s compression ratio, which was increased to 10.3:1 from 9.6:1. Connecting rods are redesigned and make use of higher-strength powder metal material. New floating piston pins are introduced to handle higher loads.
• The SRT 6.1-liter HEMI’s crankshaft is forged from micro-alloy steel and rotates in tri-metal main bearings for high-load capability. The crankshaft damper is retuned for higher engine speeds.
• The SRT 6.1-liter HEMI features cylinder head ports designed with larger cross-sectional area. This allows 11 percent higher flow in the intake ports, and 13 percent higher flow in the exhaust ports.
• A billet steel, high-strength camshaft features more overlap and lift for better performance.
• Intake valves feature hollow stems and 2 mm larger heads compared to the 5.7L engine, allowing more air flow. The hollow exhaust valve stems are filled with sodium to dissipate heat efficiently. Premium valve springs with external dampers enhance the SRT 6.1-liter HEMI’s valvetrain and enable higher engine speed operation to 6,400 rpm. The valvetrain system enhancements allow the peak output engine speed to increase to 6,000 rpm from 5,000 rpm — a 20 percent increase.
• Engine breathing is improved with specially designed intake and exhaust manifolds.
• The cast aluminum intake manifold is designed with shorter, larger-diameter and tapered runners for high-speed tuning. Internal runners are core-dipped to smooth the runner finish and improve air flow.
• Fuel injector flow capacity is also increased by 14 percent over the 5.7-liter engine. Electronic throttle control is shared with the 5.7-liter HEMI, but breathes through a revised high-flow air cleaner box outfitted with a tuned resonator delivering a deep performance sound character (and good for an extra eight horsepower).
• Exhaust headers on the SRT 6.1-liter HEMI are individual tubes encased in a stainless steel shell. Exhaust runners allow increased gas flow while maintaining fast catalyst light-off, while adding 12 horsepower over the 5.7-liter engine’s cast manifolds.
• To control the combustion process, SRT engineers fine-tuned the engine management system using dual knock sensors with premium fuel.

DutchMaster
09-19-2005, 11:25 AM
I'm fully aware of the differences. I am referring strictly to looks. my car will LOOK like a modded SRT8 (rims, exhaust, etc..). I also prefer some 3rd party products over the mopar brand. This is an added benefit for me (buying an R/T and picking my own parts).

GoDaddy
09-19-2005, 11:39 AM
here we go again...we did have this thread already and i was in it....b/c i do feel that you can "easily" get the srt numbers with the 5.7l engine...it has been proven over and over and the more parts that become available (remember this is in its infancy) the more options and performance the r/t guys will guy.... this thread however is not about performance but exterior looks....

with that said i am not posing...i don't want an srt 8 (the +8,000 dollars being a heavy reason) and i will buy the srt8 hood. it will look cool. if anyone asks "is that an srt 8?" - i will of course say NO. it is about what each individual wants.....hence the reason the srt8 grills are already being sold...the daytona grills are sold, spoilers........this goes to "if i have a spoiler on, then am i posing as an r/t package". this could go on and on. i love a good conversation, but this will go nowhere. to each his own on looks. i love to see what others are doing and see if its somehting i would like to do.....that goes the other direction...if i influence someone else to buy something i did..great - it doesn't bother me at all. i love this car and want to be unique in town...if you don't live in lake charles....GO CRAZY! my 2 cents.

moparfan
09-19-2005, 11:46 AM
Ok, ok... I concede. This is an "Exterior Mods" thread, so no more points about the performance.

In my opinion, cars are similar to people... it's what inside that counts.

No mods to my SRT-8... it will stand on it's own... stock.

GoDaddy
09-19-2005, 11:53 AM
that is great man....you have me laughing pretty good. i like that comment, seriously. :clap: again, to each his own....and we will see about the no mod thing when you get it......esp. when they starting pushing gain numbers on the new headers...ram intakes (not yet but possible) and the list will continue over time. we shall see if the bug doesn't hit you...i am 32, never modded anything...changed alot of parts out as they broke, but no mods for performance and looks - got the charger and can't stop. :happy:

robs
09-19-2005, 12:16 PM
You know... this can be sumed up in a few words.

If you like the look.... do it.
If you give a damn about someone calling you a "poser" then don't.
If you care what others think... shame on you.

For me... I like the look, and it will increase the airflow to my CAI.. I have a SE... why because I couldnt afford anything other then that, and wanted a Charger. Over the years can I afford to put a few mods, and some other neat things, yes. Will I? Damn right I will... I also to be honest, enjoy adding the parts on, it gives me a sence of accoplishment, and something that I can take pride in. Do I care if some adsolent punk in his Daytona can run circles around me? No.

And to be honest, It comes down to 1 thing.

ITS ALL ABOUT WHAT YOU (The Owner/driver) WANT AND LIKE.

[End of speech]

ChargerSXT
09-19-2005, 12:23 PM
You know... this can be sumed up in a few words.

If you like the look.... do it.
If you give a damn about someone calling you a "poser" then don't.
If you care what others think... shame on you.

For me... I like the look, and it will increase the airflow to my CAI.. I have a SE... why because I couldnt afford anything other then that, and wanted a Charger. Over the years can I afford to put a few mods, and some other neat things, yes. Will I? Damn right I will... I also to be honest, enjoy adding the parts on, it gives me a sence of accoplishment, and something that I can take pride in. Do I care if some adsolent punk in his Daytona can run circles around me? No.

And to be honest, It comes down to 1 thing.

ITS ALL ABOUT WHAT YOU (The Owner/driver) WANT AND LIKE.

[End of speech]
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GoDaddy
09-19-2005, 12:24 PM
You know... this can be sumed up in a few words.

If you like the look.... do it.
If you give a damn about someone calling you a "poser" then don't.
If you care what others think... shame on you.

For me... I like the look, and it will increase the airflow to my CAI.. I have a SE... why because I couldnt afford anything other then that, and wanted a Charger. Over the years can I afford to put a few mods, and some other neat things, yes. Will I? Damn right I will... I also to be honest, enjoy adding the parts on, it gives me a sence of accoplishment, and something that I can take pride in. Do I care if some adsolent punk in his Daytona can run circles around me? No.

And to be honest, It comes down to 1 thing.

ITS ALL ABOUT WHAT YOU (The Owner/driver) WANT AND LIKE.

[End of speech]

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ltdodge
09-19-2005, 12:26 PM
I can see it now.............

Guys with their mustangs will be saying

I smoked a srt-8 charger last night........blah,blah, blah

GoDaddy
09-19-2005, 12:27 PM
and it continues..........

moparfan
09-19-2005, 01:14 PM
I can see it now.............

Guys with their mustangs will be saying

I smoked a srt-8 charger last night........blah,blah, blah

That could happen, but from what I understand from the gentlemen in this thread, their modified R/T's should be able to beat the Mustangs anyway. :rolleyes:

Again, I'm not very concerned with "impressing" anyone or "beating them in a race" (passed that stage a long time ago)... my point was more of "representation" than anything else.

But as "GoDaddy" said... "and it continues"... and this thread doesn't need to continue. They like the look (as everyone does) and they'll have it if they want it.

So... what do you think the SRT-8 hood will cost when it does become available?

DutchMaster
09-19-2005, 01:23 PM
I have a feeling it will be around $499... this is just my approx.

Crazy_luck
09-19-2005, 01:41 PM
kinda off topic, but not.... Does any one know where I can get a regular factory hood?

I wanna make my own hoodscoop and I would rather buy a hood to cut up and paint instead of cut the original on the car......

moparfan
09-19-2005, 01:43 PM
I have a feeling it will be around $499... this is just my approx.

That's not bad if correct. Shipping will probably be an additional $100...??

GoDaddy
09-19-2005, 02:09 PM
i was preparing myself for something around the 600 mark without paint and this is something i will order through my dealer to get rid of the shipping cost. i was thinking on my way from walmart....isn't the srt8 only coming in the red or black...if so i will never look like you guys....silver steal. and yeah no mustang is going to beat me...b/c i could careless about racing. but now the desire to go so fast that my eye brows are on fire - yeah that is cool!!!! (and it is all for me - a moparfan once said "its about what's inside.")

moparfan
09-19-2005, 02:21 PM
isn't the srt8 only coming in the red or black...if so i will never look like you guys....silver steal.

Nope... mine is Bright Silver Metallic. SRT-8's can be ordered in Black, Red or Bright Silver.

GoDaddy
09-19-2005, 02:26 PM
aahhhhh......good info.....ok mine will be a little darker than yours then....see still not the same....lol.

have they given you a tentative date for pickup yet?

GLHS837
09-19-2005, 02:26 PM
Ah, well, to each his own........ Personally, for me, its about how it goes. And for folks who care that this will lead to a false sense of accomplishment from folks who beat a look-alike, dont worry. Eventualy, that person will pick on the real SRT and learn:)

And might as well be ready, I would not be surprised if they sell an "SRT design" package. for those of you unfamiliar, the middle car is the "SRT design" car. Sold just like that by Dodge. No performance parts over a regular SXT Neon. As you can see, some SRT-4 owners have similar feeling about this:)


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moparfan
09-19-2005, 02:35 PM
I changed my previous post... re-read the Charger SRT literature and it clearly states that Black, Red and Bright Sliver are the only colors offered for the SRT-8.

The dealer said "Mid to late November", but they also added "that date is always subject to change". :neutral:

I tried to find out today if the impending CAW strike would effect Dodge's ability to build my car even if they have all of the componants, but no one would answer that question. (didn't really think I'd even get an answer, but hell... it's worth asking anyway)

I have no fingernails left now since it appears the strike will happen and no one knows how long it will last... or if it will effect delivery of vehicles ordered in D status. :confused:

GLHS837
09-19-2005, 02:40 PM
Id suggest either a Valium drip, or a heavy invovlement in a yoga class:) Or just decide to get an 07, like myself:) I've found that very calming:)

GoDaddy
09-19-2005, 02:42 PM
glhs - very funny and true.....it will always be a battle but look, i want the hood....ok and that rear air diffuser, but i know how bad a$$ the srt8 is also. no doubt about it in my mind it is an awesome machine...i am just going to keep modding my car until it looks like an srt4 and then i can piss off two communities..hehe

moparfan - i am feeling it for you man. i couldn't imagine sitting on pins and needles waiting to see what some boneheads are going to do when you have been waiting for so long in the first place. (sorry boneheads - everyone has an opinion). i am SURE the wait will be worth every second when you floor it the first time!!!

moparfan
09-19-2005, 02:45 PM
Id suggest either a Valium drip, or a heavy invovlement in a yoga class:) Or just decide to get an 07, like myself:) I've found that very calming:)


LMFAO!! Thanks for the suggestions.

Can't wait until then... Stratus has 42K miles on it and I need more power!

"Must go faster, must go faster"

Plus... I must have one of the first ones in the Tampa/St. Pete area. :rockon:

moparfan
09-19-2005, 02:49 PM
i can piss off two communities..hehe

waiting to see what some boneheads are going to do when you have been waiting for so long in the first place.

Just so we're clear, in no way would I be "pissed off" because you have something that looks like an SRT-8. "Confused" might be a better term, but it's all moot because you like the look and will have it... and more power to you on that man.

I really don't hold it against the union guys or DC, business is business and there are good reasons for unions... but just build my car first and then they can do as they please.

Hopefully they will all come to an agreement so families are still being housed/fed and DC maintains industry standards on profitability.

GoDaddy
09-19-2005, 02:56 PM
i know man - i was joking but some will definitely speak their minds as they begin coming on the community....i love the srt8....just can't say it enough.

elli0788
09-19-2005, 04:01 PM
However, while the 3.5 V6 is no slouch some might give you hard time since you aren't packing an 8 under the hood.

like i said b4 i care about the look and i dont really care about power. im not gonna spend more than 15k just for the hood, plus the hemi uses more gas. i will never use that much hp anyway.

elli0788
09-19-2005, 04:14 PM
You know... this can be sumed up in a few words.

If you like the look.... do it.
If you give a damn about someone calling you a "poser" then don't.
If you care what others think... shame on you.

For me... I like the look, and it will increase the airflow to my CAI.. I have a SE... why because I couldnt afford anything other then that, and wanted a Charger. Over the years can I afford to put a few mods, and some other neat things, yes. Will I? Damn right I will... I also to be honest, enjoy adding the parts on, it gives me a sence of accoplishment, and something that I can take pride in. Do I care if some adsolent punk in his Daytona can run circles around me? No.

And to be honest, It comes down to 1 thing.

ITS ALL ABOUT WHAT YOU (The Owner/driver) WANT AND LIKE.


thank you for your speech

i agree 100% i like the look im not tryin to be a poser and im not gonna race so i dont care if my it can go faster i care about the look. the se is about 22k and the srt will prolly be more than 35 k. thats a 13k difference and the hood mod takes away a little from that

Manris
09-19-2005, 05:40 PM
(DISCLAIMER: THIS IS ONLY A ANALOGY THAT DRAWS FROM STEREOTYPICAL VIEWS FROM OUR SOCIETY NOT MY OWN OPINIONS)

what is the difference between a guy who has put a SRT8 hood on a non SRT8 charger and a white dude that grew up on a farm in the middle of cattle country that goes ahead and puts 22's on his car? Nothing.

Often times it is the intentions of a person that determine whether or not they are a poser, not their actions. If that cattle country dude put 22s on his car because he likes big wheels and not to portray gangsta rap music videos then no one should ever have the right to call him a wanna be ganster. Same thing for elli0788... if he puts on an SRT8 hood on his SE because he likes the way it looks and not because he wants to portray his car as something as it is not then no one really has the right to give him any guff about it.

I say do it, and if any SRT8 owners give you a hard time about it, tell him you wouldn't get bent outta shape if he put a regular charger hood on his car. :tongue: Anyway I wouldn't be surprised if this happened along with some debadging so that the SRT8 becomes a real sleeper.

I am totally with you guys on this one, in fact when i eventually do get my charger r/t, I would do this mod in a heartbeat.

-George

elli0788
09-19-2005, 08:49 PM
another reason why i cant spend that much is cuz im only 17 and my parents are payin for most just like they did wit my bros car. but i got enough to add up to the se price and more to get the mods. anyway im getting a job so ill be moding it until im completely satisfied on how it looks.

btw i like the analogy

-Elliot

GoDaddy
09-19-2005, 08:56 PM
analogy or not...i am getting the srt8 hood. you don't hear any daytona guys upset about people putting the side decals on or the spoilers on or the grills on...or shall i continue. everyone has there own likes/dislikes....i like the hood...i will buy the hood. and i won't look like an srt8 b/c i want to look a little bit different than most anyway. let the flames fly i will have one bad charger no matter what anyone says....enough on this...lets talk about when the damn thing is coming in and how much it will cost....we are beating the hell out of a dead horse.

Manris
09-20-2005, 12:29 AM
we are beating the hell out of a dead horse.

AMEN TO THAT!!