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DAYTONA_R/T
07-02-2006, 11:50 PM
Well Friday I picked up the parts from the dealer to install the factory u-connect in my car.
I had already bought the harness from Jet Pilot over on lxforums (which it turned out I did not need), and today had the time to install the parts...
Removed the glove box, mounted the u-connect brain, found out after installing the harness from jet pilot that on my car I didn't need it, as all the factory wiring needed for the u-connect brain, to the radio, to the A-pillar was already in my car from the factory.... so after removing jet pilots harness... pluged in the harness connector I found tucked/hidden up in the dash into the u-connect module, plugged the mirror harness into the connector in the A-pillar, ran the mirror harness up the a-pillar, over the headliner to the mirror, swapped mirrors and plugged in the 2 plugs from the harness into the mirror...
If I had known I had all the wiring needed, total install time would have been about 30 min or so.... due to the "snag" of finding out my car already had all the dash wiring needed added another hour or so to the install... LOL oh well...
I now have working FACTORY u-connect in my charger... with nothing but dealer bought parts (u-connect module, mirror harness and u-connect mirror)... total cost of parts was $354 out the door
See my thread in the For Sale section if you are wanting this mod, but do not have all the wiring needed in the dash, as I paid $85 shipped for Jet Pilots Harness, and selling it for less then what I paid including shipping...
Tomorrow I will be swining by the dealership to show them that factory u-connect can be installed after the fact, as they all said it would never work, and I was wasting time and money trying this... trying to get me to buy the mopar accessory version instead...
Also going to see if they will hook up the star scan to enable u-connect on the evic so that signal strenght, caller ID, and battery strenght from the phone will display below the speedometer... :D (if not I have plan B for this started)
Also customizing a custom shift knob that I bought from a member on here, need to use a band saw at work, and I don't go back to work until Wednesday, so should have it done to post pics on thursday... :)
DAYTONA_R/T
07-03-2006, 12:01 AM
Just an FYI for those looking to get the parts needed....
Mirror with auto-dim and u-connect
4806228AB
Dealer cost is $99
Mirror Jumper Harness including the rain sensor wires
5089053AB
Dealer Cost is $30 (the harness without the rain sensro wires is roughly 6 bucks cheaper, but figure this might be a future mod)
Uconnect Telematics Module(updated version)
5064013AV
Dealer Cost is $169
starksinc
07-03-2006, 12:28 AM
wait a mintute, how much is the uconnect period?
DAYTONA_R/T
07-03-2006, 12:32 AM
wait a mintute, how much is the uconnect period?
if you have all the wiring in the dash for the factory, all you need is the above parts...
I paid cost + 10% for the parts at the dealer, so my total cost was $354 out the door (8.1% sales tax here)... (the prices in the above post are dealer cost)
if you do not have all the wiring in the dash, you will need the harness from Jet Pilot in addition to the parts above, so add $85 shipped for that harness...
I bought the harness from Jet Pilot but do not need it, and am selling it for $70 shipped...
I checked on edmunds tonight to see what u-connect from the factory costs... retail is $360 invoice is $331 before tax I spent $329 for the parts I used... seeing as how from the factory or after the fact, I would have paid tax, my before tax cost on this mod is $2 cheaper then if I ordered this option when I ordered the car...
mnunes
07-03-2006, 09:06 AM
Any idea why your Daytona had the wiring needed from the factory? What options did you buy on your car? I'm guessing some combination of options make it cheaper for them to just install the u-connect harness than to have yet another one with a slightly different wiring configuration.
DAYTONA_R/T
07-03-2006, 11:29 AM
Any idea why your Daytona had the wiring needed from the factory? What options did you buy on your car? I'm guessing some combination of options make it cheaper for them to just install the u-connect harness than to have yet another one with a slightly different wiring configuration.
I ordered my car with every factory option except for u-connect and VES...
edit: I did not get the protection package either due that option being delayed.... (ordered (1) daytona with and (1) daytona without... the one with the protection package was never made)
R/T Charger
07-03-2006, 11:43 AM
What is the U-connect?Not to sound dumb but just trying to figure out what is what on these cars.
DAYTONA_R/T
07-03-2006, 11:50 AM
What is the U-connect?Not to sound dumb but just trying to figure out what is what on these cars.
U-connect is DCX's name for bluetooth connectivity.
http://www.dodge.com/crossbrand/uconnect/dodge/interface.html
CDN_Daytona_23
07-03-2006, 11:55 AM
I ordered my car with every factory option except for u-connect and VES...
edit: I did not get the protection package either due that option being delayed.... (ordered (1) daytona with and (1) daytona without... the one with the protection package was never made)
I put in the factory UConnect, however, I needed JetPilot's harness. My Daytona has every option except UConnect. Everything works fine except I need that StarScan, as well, to enable the EVIC and steering wheel controls.
There was no available connectors when I plugged in the telematics module therefore I am assuming that I needed JetPilot's harness - regardless, it was a pain to run that cable from one side to the other though.
Great mod though... worth the money and the effort to install it.
R/T Charger
07-03-2006, 12:01 PM
U-connect is DCX's name for bluetooth connectivity.
http://www.dodge.com/crossbrand/uconnect/dodge/interface.html
Oh cool thanks for the link..I believe I may have this the dealer said something that I could talk hands free w/ my cell phone so maybe I have some of this already.I do not have the auto dim mirror but guess I wont need the wiring.
easyemale
07-03-2006, 01:55 PM
I would love this mod but I could not install myself. I think if I had someone install it even after I had all the parts would be $$$$.
Black R/T R&T
07-03-2006, 02:24 PM
Where do I look, to see if i have the wireing harness??
mcinfantry
07-03-2006, 03:50 PM
yes, where is the easiest place to locate the "pre-existing" harness, if mine has it. i bought the harness, and have ordered all the parts
DAYTONA_R/T
07-03-2006, 04:17 PM
I would love this mod but I could not install myself. I think if I had someone install it even after I had all the parts would be $$$$.
you really do not need to pay someone to install this mod... the only I used to install this was a philips screwdriver, and that was for the (4) screws hoding the radio in, and the (2) screws that mount the u-connect module.... oh... and a torqx screw driver for the set screw on the mirror
there are 2 ways to check to see if you have all the wiring for the factory, or if you need Jet Pilots harness...
1) remove glove box and look in the upper right corner with a flashlight and some digging around with a hand for an un-used harness connector...
2) remove the A-pillar cover on the drivers side, I didn't count to carefull as to how many wires the connector in the a-pillar had, but it was around 11 wires... if you only have like... 6 wires you will need jet pilots harness...
I guess I should have checked myself before ordering it.. LOL
If you have all the wires needed... the install is easy... remove glove box, mount u-connect module, plug in factory harness, reinstall glove box...
remove a-pillar cover, connect mirror harness to factory harness connector in a-pillar, run mirror harness up a-pillar, (here is where I cheated) I grabbed the headliner at the windsheild and tucked the mirror harness in between the roof and the headliner instead of dropping the headliner to attach the harness to the headliner with the supplied harness straps..
re-install the a-pillar cover, swap mirrors, plug in the 2 connectors...
and you are done...
A hint with the a-pillar cover.... pull at the top, it will drop out about 2", then pull straight out in the middle, then the clip that holds the cover in place at the top, you will remove the entire clip from the a-pillar, it is just a snap in clip, just squeeze it and it will pop out. now that the only thing holding the cover is a couple tabs at the bottom, just pull up while wiggling it back and forth a bit...
now that you have it off, seperate the black clip off the ball stud, re-install the clip and then you can re-install the a-pillar by just pushing the clips back in...
if you are confused whatsoever about this, trust me, once you start the removal of pieces it will hit you... "oh thats what he is talking about"
Black R/T R&T
07-03-2006, 07:41 PM
I just pulled my A piller, and down near the dashboard is a connector about 2.5 to 3 inches long, with 18 pins (all female). It looks like three seperate plugs could connect to it. Is this the one I need to locate?
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DAYTONA_R/T
07-03-2006, 07:44 PM
I just pulled my A piller, and down near the dashboard is a connector about 2.5 to 3 inches long, with 18 pins (all female). It looks like three seperate plugs could connect to it. Is this the one I need to locate?
8290
one connector attaches to this... looks like you only have 5 wires attached to it right?
you will need Jet Pilots harness in order do install u-connect...
Black R/T R&T
07-03-2006, 07:55 PM
Yes, there are only 5 wires going to it:cry: . How does the jet harness fit in?
DAYTONA_R/T
07-03-2006, 08:01 PM
Yes, there are only 5 wires going to it:cry: . How does the jet harness fit in?
you will insert 6 wires with pins already cripped on into the factory harness you found in the a-pillar... remove the 2" wide harness connector from the back of the radio, plug this into the harness from jet pilot, plug jet pilots harness into the back of the radio, then the last connector will plug into the u-connect module...
here is a picture posted by jet-pilot of the harness
http://www.dreamworksrc.com/images/harness.jpg
DAYTONA_R/T
07-03-2006, 08:04 PM
another pic
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e266/srt8jaak/Uconnect/06pictures597.jpg
Black R/T R&T
07-03-2006, 08:09 PM
With the jet harness, and the other factory parts, will it work like factory? Wheel controls, EVIC, and all?
Thanks for all your help.
DAYTONA_R/T
07-03-2006, 08:11 PM
With the jet harness, and the other factory parts, will it work like factory? Wheel controls, EVIC, and all?
Thanks for all your help.
yes it will... once installed you will need to go to the dealer and have them set the evic to see that u-connect is installed before the evic part will work... but all other parts fuction without dealer intervention
Black R/T R&T
07-03-2006, 08:13 PM
Only one thing left to say......GET-R-Done........
Thanks
mnunes
07-03-2006, 08:56 PM
Great write-up! Will have to put this one on the to-do list.
RR/TT
07-03-2006, 09:43 PM
good job on that install. uconnect is unbelievable!! it has speech recognition, phone book and works thru the dash cluster and the navigation.
easyemale
07-04-2006, 02:01 AM
I guess I need to get this one started.
HKLEVI
07-04-2006, 12:38 PM
Can you do this with out EVIC or wheel controls? I have the 6 disc with Sirius if it makes a hoot in difference.
Hemiready
07-05-2006, 11:13 AM
Can you do this with out EVIC or wheel controls? I have the 6 disc with Sirius if it makes a hoot in difference.
My question as well but I have the nav radio with no EVIC or wheel controls.
HemiChemi
07-05-2006, 01:11 PM
My question as well but I have the nav radio with no EVIC or wheel controls.I have the factory-installed UConnect system, so while I can't answer your question unequivocally, I CAN assure you you DON'T need any kind of display to use UConnect. The system works using a synthesized voice interface, and is controlled by voice. If you want, you can use it fully without ever seeing a display or pressing a button. The display is nice because you can see signal strength, phone battery level and the phone number of who you're talking to, but it isn't NECESSARY. I have my phone set to answer automatically while UConnect-ed, so no button pressing is necessary. If you DO want to press a button, it's on the rear-view mirror. (Factory UConnect is bundled with the auto-dimming rearview mirror, which has some buttons on it...)
DAYTONA_R/T
07-05-2006, 04:52 PM
My question as well but I have the nav radio with no EVIC or wheel controls.
Seeing how the system works and I have not gotten to the dealer to get uconnect enabled in the EVIC, I would have to say that it will still work...
naperguy
07-05-2006, 05:26 PM
DAMN - I did the dimmable rearview mirror mod, now I'm gonna have to change it to this........:knockout: :knockout: :cry:
Go Man GO 3521
07-06-2006, 04:01 PM
I too do not need the harness from www.lxharness.com.
Mine is for sale for $70.00. PM Me...I take Paypal
BTW the dealer installed mine for $680.00
He did not starscan the upgrade. It shows the # I am dialing on the 6 CD Changer and several other things too
HKLEVI
07-06-2006, 04:16 PM
DAMN - I did the dimmable rearview mirror mod, now I'm gonna have to change it to this........:knockout: :knockout: :cry:
OK, I have missed this one. What is the dimmable rearview mirror mod?
DAYTONA_R/T
07-06-2006, 05:01 PM
OK, I have missed this one. What is the dimmable rearview mirror mod?
the mirror for u-connect has this as well.
the mirror is an auto-dim mirror, so if someone pulls up behind you with their brights on, the mirror will dim. so you will not be blinded from the vehicle behind you.
here is an example click here (http://www.rpminnovations.com/rearview_mirrors.htm)
easyemale
07-06-2006, 05:18 PM
Why do some cars have the harness and other do not. Is it when the car was built or what mods one has?
HKLEVI
07-06-2006, 06:35 PM
another pic
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e266/srt8jaak/Uconnect/06pictures597.jpg
I have another question on this harness. Where do you plug/attach the 4-6 wires shown above in the bottom middle of the picture?
DAYTONA_R/T
07-06-2006, 07:25 PM
I have another question on this harness. Where do you plug/attach the 4-6 wires shown above in the bottom middle of the picture?
those are the "missing' wires in the harness plug that you will find at the base of the drivers side A-pillar
the wiring diagram included with the harness shows which wire plugs in to which spot onthe factory connector
HKLEVI
08-03-2006, 11:19 AM
those are the "missing' wires in the harness plug that you will find at the base of the drivers side A-pillar
the wiring diagram included with the harness shows which wire plugs in to which spot onthe factory connector
I managed to score a harness off of one of our fellow charger owners, but I am not sure I will get the diagram. If not, does anyone have it so I know what/where to plug in wires to?
krcossin
08-03-2006, 11:30 AM
I managed to score a harness off of one of our fellow charger owners, but I am not sure I will get the diagram. If not, does anyone have it so I know what/where to plug in wires to?
http://ca.geocities.com/srt8_@rogers.com/main.htm
Click on Build a U-Connect Harness.
falchulk
08-03-2006, 11:33 AM
good job on that install. uconnect is unbelievable!! it has speech recognition, phone book and works thru the dash cluster and the navigation.
Where is the mic for the voice dialing?
krcossin
08-03-2006, 11:46 AM
The new mirror has auto dimming and a microphone on the top center.
http://ca.geocities.com/srt8_@rogers.com/images/02Mirror.jpg
HKLEVI
08-03-2006, 11:48 AM
Where is the mic for the voice dialing?
It's built into the mirror, I believe at the top.
HKLEVI
08-03-2006, 11:51 AM
http://ca.geocities.com/srt8_@rogers.com/main.htm
Click on Build a U-Connect Harness.
Thanks! Man that has a lot of good info. I had the 2nd gen sat antenna on my SXT, but when I traded to my RT, it has the old tear drop antenna. I have wondered if one could change them out, and now I know I would have to buy a whole new unit as well as antenna. Think I'll be happy with what I have now and put my energy into the uconnect project.
daytona torRed
08-03-2006, 01:46 PM
this maybe a stupid question but will it work with any cell phone and provider?i have a LG 7200 i think.
nottarts
08-03-2006, 03:36 PM
Anyone know where I can get these parts are a reason price? My dealer wants 206 for the mirror and 63 for the harness.
krcossin
08-03-2006, 04:04 PM
This is from lxforums, but enough info for you to find out if your phone will intergrate with the module.
Look here: http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=11324
It's in the Knowledge Base
http://www.lxforums.com/articles/uco...nect_comp.html
http://www.chrysleruconnect.com/comp...t.html?brand=c
http://www.chrysler.com/uconnect
For another list, go to:
http://www.jcidealerlink.com/bluecon...lueconnect.tml
or
http://www.jciblueconnect.com/
as Johnson Controls built the OEM (Factory installed) Uconnect for the telematics guys at Chrysler.
As they say on the first website...
"BlueConnect – also called HandsfreeLink or UConnect by some automotive manufacturers – allows consumers to use any Bluetooth™-enabled wireless phone as a hands-free system within the vehicle. BlueConnect works with the vehicle’s built-in audio system to enhance your customers’ safety."
The aftermarket Mopar Uconnect is built by Peiker Acustic in Germany and is not the same system, even though it carries the same product name.
http://www.peiker.com/de/Mit+Bluetoo...tt_aw_flash=on
krcossin
08-03-2006, 04:11 PM
Another repost:
I found a dealer with stock and decent prices
5064013AV (updated number) Telematics module List $282, your cost $194
4806228AB Mirror List $166, your cost $118
5089051AB Harness List $38.10, your cost $27
You can get all of these from Jack Szanto from Norm Reeves Dodge you can contact him at this email addy to get these prices JSzanto@DCHUSA.com tell him Bobby sent you.
1LAPSRT
08-03-2006, 08:17 PM
Anyone know where I can get these parts are a reason price? My dealer wants 206 for the mirror and 63 for the harness.
Check out www.moparsupercenter.com they can get anything, and at the best prices I have found.
HKLEVI
08-03-2006, 09:14 PM
Check out www.moparsupercenter.com (http://www.moparsupercenter.com) they can get anything, and at the best prices I have found.
Have you actually got a quote for these part form them? I can only find the universal uconnect and not the one on the mirror.
1LAPSRT
08-04-2006, 08:01 AM
Have you actually got a quote for these part form them? I can only find the universal uconnect and not the one on the mirror.
No...but I will contact them this morning, and ask them to chime in on this topic.
Ted@AllUSA
08-04-2006, 09:53 AM
The problem I see, is we have 18 different possible instrument panel wiring harness', some with, and many without the UConnect module connectors. I have no way of confirming if all Chargers have the connector needed for the telematics module or not. There is not a seperate harness available to connect the telematics module from Chrysler. So the package we will put together for this would not include the wiring harness if your vehicle does not have the telematics connector.
I am going to have these kits put on our site soon.
Kit 1:
UConnect mirror
Mirror harness w/o rain sensor system
Telematics Module
$309.95
Kit 2:
UConnect mirror
Mirror harness w/ rain sensor system (only has wires for rain sensor, no sensor)
Telematics Module
$314.95
1LAPSRT
08-04-2006, 10:38 AM
Tada....Ted is the MAN ! ! !
I'm in (kit #2).... can you add it to my order from the GB Exhaust?
TMacken
08-04-2006, 02:24 PM
Now we'll just have to get some more of the Uconnect harnesses made, so I can purchase and install one in my GMG Daytona.
Ted@AllUSA
08-04-2006, 02:28 PM
I have already begun that process as well. I have submitted an order for connectors, wires, heat shrink, and solder. We will begin constructing the harnesses needed for this application to offer if needed. I feel sure we can keep the costs of that down to a minimal amount too.
Ted@AllUSA
08-04-2006, 02:33 PM
I think we will also do away with kit #1, and just provide the harness for rain sensor systems to the rear view mirror. You know, the KISS principle, "Keep It Simple Stupid", we will then offer up the underdash harness for those who will be requiring it at a low price.
TMacken
08-04-2006, 02:36 PM
Sounds great to me, I'm really looking forward to being able to get all the parts from one place. Especially one I've already had a good experience with. I got my first mod there, (Hood Struts).
falchulk
08-04-2006, 02:41 PM
I think we will also do away with kit #1, and just provide the harness for rain sensor systems to the rear view mirror. You know, the KISS principle, "Keep It Simple Stupid", we will then offer up the underdash harness for those who will be requiring it at a low price.
Quick question here..........what does the rain sensor sense rain for? How would we know if we had it? Thanks again for the quick respone in putting these kits together.
Ted@AllUSA
08-04-2006, 02:56 PM
It senses rain hitting the windshield and will automatically enable the wipers. There is a fairly large stick on sensor on the inside of the windshield behind the rear view mirror. There is more to it than just that sensor though, there is also a module up under the dash that controls this feature.
falchulk
08-04-2006, 02:59 PM
It senses rain hitting the windshield and will automatically enable the wipers. There is a fairly large stick on sensor on the inside of the windshield behind the rear view mirror. There is more to it than just that sensor though, there is also a module up under the dash that controls this feature.
To my knowledge that feature only comes on the 300. Are you saying that this kit will add that functionality also?
HKLEVI
08-04-2006, 03:11 PM
To my knowledge that feature only comes on the 300. Are you saying that this kit will add that functionality also?
That is what I thought too. From what I have read, it is not something we can install on the charger. If you know differently, it would start quite the stir.....
falchulk
08-07-2006, 07:06 AM
That is what I thought too. From what I have read, it is not something we can install on the charger. If you know differently, it would start quite the stir.....
Bump so this can be answered!
Ted@AllUSA
08-07-2006, 10:42 AM
I am not sure if this can be added to the Charger or not. It is just simpler to do the kit with only one harness. This harness alone does not complete the rain sensor system, as there is also a control module under the dash. Seeing how the Charger and the 300 basically use the same system, I don't see why it cannot be added. Will have to do more investigation on this.
1LAPSRT
08-07-2006, 10:55 AM
Hey...Thanks for the clarification.
NOW GET BACK TO VACATIONINGIN' ! ! ! !
:D
Hemiready
08-07-2006, 11:02 AM
Hey...Thanks for the clarification.
NOW GET BACK TO VACATIONINGIN' ! ! ! !
:D
Little off topic here but Ted should really be commended for his recent reponses to inquiries. I sent him an e-mail about the u-connect and he replied almost immediately over the weekend and again to another e-mail I sent before finding out he was in Hawaii and supposed to be on vacation!
It's nice to see that a supporting vendor really cares about our business. Thanks Ted.
Jeff
falchulk
08-07-2006, 11:07 AM
Little off topic here but Ted should really be commended for his recent reponses to inquiries. I sent him an e-mail about the u-connect and he replied almost immediately over the weekend and again to another e-mail I sent before finding out he was in Hawaii and supposed to be on vacation!
It's nice to see that a supporting vendor really cares about our business. Thanks Ted.
Jeff
Yep, when I posted in their area requesting they put together a package for uconnect, he jumped on it and had it immediately. Amazing service.
1LAPSRT
08-07-2006, 11:09 AM
Little off topic here but Ted should really be commended for his recent reponses to inquiries. I sent him an e-mail about the u-connect and he replied almost immediately over the weekend and again to another e-mail I sent before finding out he was in Hawaii and supposed to be on vacation!
It's nice to see that a supporting vendor really cares about our business. Thanks Ted.
Jeff
Absolutely....Ted is a great vendor, but I know his wife is propably walking around looking for the "business center" in the hotel wanting to drag him off kicking and screaming to more vacation type fun....
Hemiready
08-07-2006, 12:16 PM
Absolutely....Ted is a great vendor, but I know his wife is propably walking around looking for the "business center" in the hotel wanting to drag him off kicking and screaming to more vacation type fun....
That's what I was figuring. Sorry I even e-mailed him. Wouldn't have if I knew he was on vacation.
Hemiready
08-07-2006, 12:17 PM
Yep, when I posted in their area requesting they put together a package for uconnect, he jumped on it and had it immediately. Amazing service.
Thanks for that. He says they're building those harnesses and install instructions.
300MAG
08-11-2006, 09:00 PM
Has anyone had the dealer enable the uconnect on the evic display??? Is it possible????
HemiChemi
08-11-2006, 09:08 PM
Has anyone had the dealer enable the uconnect on the evic display??? Is it possible????:yes: The factory UConnect shows battery/signal strength/caller number in the EVIC display, and if you add UConnect afterwards, you need a dealer's StarScan to tell the CANbus system that it's there, and once that's done, it should work just like the factory system.
300MAG
08-11-2006, 09:13 PM
Thanks, I already added the factory uconnect, I want to go to the dealer to enable evic functions but there not the type of dealer that likes to experiement or try to figure anything out, so I just want to make sure it can be done and maybe find out where in starscan they need to go to turn it on.
easyemale
08-11-2006, 10:04 PM
So there is a good chance my RT from 3/06 has the wires? That would make it easier.
paulfries
08-14-2006, 01:41 PM
So there is a good chance my RT from 3/06 has the wires? That would make it easier.
Mine is 3/06 also, and it had the wires. The dealer installed the factory U-Connect for me.
Just pull back your A-Pillar and look at the plug. If you have more than 4 wires coming out of it, you are pre-wired for it.
HemiChemi
08-14-2006, 03:51 PM
Mine is 3/06 also, and it had the wires. The dealer installed the factory U-Connect for me.
Just pull back your A-Pillar and look at the plug. If you have more than 4 wires coming out of it, you are pre-wired for it.Dirver's side or pass side?
daytona torRed
08-14-2006, 04:26 PM
Dirver's side or pass side?
Drivers side
krcossin
08-14-2006, 04:36 PM
Here's my notes on having the dealer use the Starscan to enable U-Connect to be displayed on EVIC:
"it was not obvious on the StarScan how to enable the EVIC. There is a menu item for the hands free stuff but that is not it. We found it under something about installing a module and then we selected to install HFM"
I have not had the chance to have the dealer do this, now I'm just waiting for Morpheus (http://www.projectmorpheus.com/) so I can do it myself.
HKLEVI
08-14-2006, 04:54 PM
Mine is 3/06 also, and it had the wires. The dealer installed the factory U-Connect for me.
Just pull back your A-Pillar and look at the plug. If you have more than 4 wires coming out of it, you are pre-wired for it.
So when everyone says your pre-wired for it, does that mean that the head unit is hooked up already and one only needs to drop the glove compartment, install the uconnect unit, then mount the mirror and run the wires from it down to the connector in the a pillar? :knockout: I'm just trying to figure out how lucky I might be when I drop the pillar. :nervous s
HKLEVI
08-14-2006, 07:44 PM
So when everyone says your pre-wired for it, does that mean that the head unit is hooked up already and one only needs to drop the glove compartment, install the uconnect unit, then mount the mirror and run the wires from it down to the connector in the a pillar? :knockout: I'm just trying to figure out how lucky I might be when I drop the pillar. :nervous s
bump, any clue out there in smart land???
Hemiready
08-14-2006, 08:18 PM
bump, any clue out there in smart land???
I did not have the harness or the module. I'm waiting on the harness from MSC to be made. If you don't have the module but do have the harness already you can of course buy it and the mirror. I'm not sure it's a given that if you have the prewire you automatically have the module. You still may have to check in the glove box to be sure. Consider yourself a winner if you have the wiring!:grin:
HKLEVI
08-14-2006, 08:29 PM
I did not have the harness or the module. I'm waiting on the harness from MSC to be made. If you don't have the module but do have the harness already you can of course buy it and the mirror. I'm not sure it's a given that if you have the prewire you automatically have the module. You still may have to check in the glove box to be sure. Consider yourself a winner if you have the wiring!:grin:
Roger that, I didn't expect to have the module, but am hoping that the wiring is already in place into the head unit and inside the dash. If I do, I have already purchased a harness made by Jetpilot that I got from another member. You interested in it if I don't have a need? I won't have a chance to dig into things until the weekend, but will advise then.
Hemiready
08-14-2006, 08:34 PM
Roger that, I didn't expect to have the module, but am hoping that the wiring is already in place into the head unit and inside the dash. If I do, I have already purchased a harness made by Jetpilot that I got from another member. You interested in it if I don't have a need? I won't have a chance to dig into things until the weekend, but will advise then.
Put me first on the list! Are there directions with it?
mnunes
08-14-2006, 11:32 PM
So when everyone says your pre-wired for it, does that mean that the head unit is hooked up already and one only needs to drop the glove compartment, install the uconnect unit, then mount the mirror and run the wires from it down to the connector in the a pillar? :knockout: I'm just trying to figure out how lucky I might be when I drop the pillar. :nervous s
I believe this is correct. If your a-pillar connector has more than 4 or 5 pins wired you should only need the uconnect module, the mirror, and the cable from the mirror to the a-pillar connector. If your a-pillar connector has just 4 or 5 pins wired, you will also need to get the jetpilot (or similar) cable mod in addition to the other stuff. In either case, the EVIC needs to be told that the hands free module (HFM) has been installed for the steering wheel buttons and EVIC display to become part of the system. Without the EVIC program, uconnect still works but not with steering wheel controls and EVIC displays.
Edit: build date 8/31/05, only 5 pins wired. :(
paulfries
08-15-2006, 08:45 AM
I believe this is correct. If your a-pillar connector has more than 4 or 5 pins wired you should only need the uconnect module, the mirror, and the cable from the mirror to the a-pillar connector. If your a-pillar connector has just 4 or 5 pins wired, you will also need to get the jetpilot (or similar) cable mod in addition to the other stuff. In either case, the EVIC needs to be told that the hands free module (HFM) has been installed for the steering wheel buttons and EVIC display to become part of the system. Without the EVIC program, uconnect still works but not with steering wheel controls and EVIC displays.
Edit: build date 8/31/05, only 5 pins wired. :(
That is correct! Just pop the drivers side A-Pillar and check the plug at the bottom. If there are more than 4-5 wires (should be like 15-20 I think, it was hard to count), then all you need are 3 parts. The Mirror, mirror cable, and the Telematics module that goes up under the dash behind the glove box.
I can get part numbers if you need them. They were here in another thread somewhere.
paulfries
08-15-2006, 08:46 AM
5064013AV (updated number) Telematics module $194
4806228AB Mirror $118
5089051AB Harness $27 that goes from A pillar to mirror.
naperguy
08-15-2006, 04:26 PM
5064013AV (updated number) Telematics module $194
4806228AB Mirror $118
5089051AB Harness $27 that goes from A pillar to mirror.
Awsome with the part numbers - THANKS.... Shoot me now cause I haven't read this whole thread, but do I need to check for the "module" under the glove box ? Or assume I don't have it ? My wiring harness has like 13 or 14 wires in the A-pillar. So I'm good to go there. What should I look for in concerning the "module" ?? Could it also be there ?
1LAPSRT
08-15-2006, 04:27 PM
Naperguy,
Ted@MPSC is putting together kits that will include all the parts needed. Look back a page or two for details.
naperguy
08-15-2006, 04:32 PM
I don't need the kit really - My wiring harness is already set-up. All I need is the mirror, harness, and maybe the module. My A-pillar already has the 13 or so wires running to it.
1LAPSRT
08-15-2006, 04:40 PM
His kit won't include the harness (although he is going to make/sell them too). Just the parts you (and I) need.
Check the last post on Page 5 (kit #1 has been cancelled)
mnunes
08-15-2006, 10:44 PM
I REALLY doubt that the telematics module is there.
Pics of the module are here (http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=22586). You need to drop the glove box out to get to where it would be mounted. Since you have the right number of pins in your a-pillar cable, you probably have a spare connector tucked away behind the glove box waiting for the module to plug in.
easyemale
08-17-2006, 06:19 PM
Just checked and I do not have the wires. Oh well. That would have been cool.
Hemiready
08-17-2006, 06:34 PM
I spoke with the guys at Supercenter today. They are going to start making the harnesses for those of us that need them and the rest of the components are on order with Chrysler or already in.
HKLEVI
08-19-2006, 03:59 PM
That is correct! Just pop the drivers side A-Pillar and check the plug at the bottom. If there are more than 4-5 wires (should be like 15-20 I think, it was hard to count), then all you need are 3 parts. The Mirror, mirror cable, and the Telematics module that goes up under the dash behind the glove box.
I can get part numbers if you need them. They were here in another thread somewhere.
I just dropped my a pillar and I have a white connector at the bottom near the dash. It is waiting to connect to something (noting plugged into it). It has 11 wires running into it from under the dash to it. DID I GET LUCKY???
It's more than 4-5 and less than 15-20 so I'm confused, scared and excited. I want to know if I need the harness I bought or if I can offer it up to my fellow forum members for what I paid.($50)
HKLEVI
08-19-2006, 09:13 PM
I just dropped my a pillar and I have a white connector at the bottom near the dash. It is waiting to connect to something (noting plugged into it). It has 11 wires running into it from under the dash to it. DID I GET LUCKY???
It's more than 4-5 and less than 15-20 so I'm confused, scared and excited. I want to know if I need the harness I bought or if I can offer it up to my fellow forum members for what I paid.($50)
Bump
Black R/T R&T
08-19-2006, 10:42 PM
I do not think that you need the harness. It sounds like your car is already wired. I do need the harness, See my pic on post #15. I only have 5 wires on my connector.
HKLEVI
08-20-2006, 08:54 AM
I do not think that you need the harness. It sounds like your car is already wired. I do need the harness, See my pic on post #15. I only have 5 wires on my connector.
I counted like 5 times to make sure the number of wires coming into the plug. It's defiantly 11 wires. Man I hope it's in there and connected to my radio. I had the dealer put in a 6 disc as part of my trade up from the SXT (it had a 6 disc and I wanted no less). But I had a little difficulties with it afterward and it had to go back to get the CD working. I guess worse case is if it did not get connected to the head unit, I could pop off the face plate and the wiring should be there to connect.
HKLEVI
08-21-2006, 07:25 PM
I counted like 5 times to make sure the number of wires coming into the plug. It's defiantly 11 wires. Man I hope it's in there and connected to my radio. I had the dealer put in a 6 disc as part of my trade up from the SXT (it had a 6 disc and I wanted no less). But I had a little difficulties with it afterward and it had to go back to get the CD working. I guess worse case is if it did not get connected to the head unit, I could pop off the face plate and the wiring should be there to connect.
Just thought of this...if mine is GTG for u-connect as is, here is an update to the theory on convenience group II w/fog lights. Mine has both and my build date is 06/05.
mnunes
08-21-2006, 10:39 PM
Just thought of this...if mine is GTG for u-connect as is, here is an update to the theory on convenience group II w/fog lights. Mine has both and my build date is 06/05.
Mine does NOT have the extra wires. My build date is 8/31/05 and I have the R&T Package which includes the Convenience group II.
HKLEVI
08-22-2006, 06:39 AM
Mine does NOT have the extra wires. My build date is 8/31/05 and I have the R&T Package which includes the Convenience group II.
Don't kill me for asking, but do you have factory fog lights too? I think there is something to the 2 options together that gets the harnes in as well.
whiskey
08-22-2006, 06:44 AM
Did someone say "Rain Sensor?"
mnunes
08-22-2006, 09:02 AM
Don't kill me for asking, but do you have factory fog lights too? I think there is something to the 2 options together that gets the harnes in as well.
Yes, factory fog lights included, as well as NAV system.
HKLEVI
08-22-2006, 04:11 PM
Did someone say "Rain Sensor?"
Not on this, all though one of the venders thinks it may be a possibility.
HKLEVI
08-22-2006, 04:12 PM
Yes, factory fog lights included, as well as NAV system.
well, that blows my theory. I am still not 100% sure I am GTG yet. I think this weekend I will pull out my glove box and see if the other connector end is in there before I go and sell my harness.
falchulk
08-22-2006, 04:14 PM
Mine does NOT have the extra wires. My build date is 8/31/05 and I have the R&T Package which includes the Convenience group II.
I thought the R/T package was not around in August of 05?
mnunes
08-22-2006, 11:43 PM
I thought the R/T package was not around in August of 05?
Factory and dealers started accepting orders for R&T in June 05. Production started shortly thereafter.
Maybe you're thinking of the SRT8. I think they started becoming available for order in Sept 05 and started getting built Oct/Nov 05.
holeydonut
08-26-2006, 03:38 PM
I believe this is correct. If your a-pillar connector has more than 4 or 5 pins wired you should only need the uconnect module, the mirror, and the cable from the mirror to the a-pillar connector. If your a-pillar connector has just 4 or 5 pins wired, you will also need to get the jetpilot (or similar) cable mod in addition to the other stuff. In either case, the EVIC needs to be told that the hands free module (HFM) has been installed for the steering wheel buttons and EVIC display to become part of the system. Without the EVIC program, uconnect still works but not with steering wheel controls and EVIC displays.
Edit: build date 8/31/05, only 5 pins wired. :(
How do you upgrade the EVIC so it knows you have newly installed the factory UConnect?
HemiChemi
08-26-2006, 03:48 PM
How do you upgrade the EVIC so it knows you have newly installed the factory UConnect?A dealer has to do it with their StarScan device.
holeydonut
08-26-2006, 04:04 PM
A dealer has to do it with their StarScan device.
Hmmm, wonder if they'll do it free while you get an oil chane ;)
naperguy
08-26-2006, 06:49 PM
A dealer has to do it with their StarScan device.
Hey "Hemi" - Hasn't it been an issue that some dealers don't know how to do it yet with their star-scan ?? Kind of have to know where to find it....
ravenkeeper98
08-26-2006, 07:07 PM
Hey "Hemi" - Hasn't it been an issue that some dealers don't know how to do it yet with their star-scan ?? Kind of have to know where to find it....
Thats what I heard, someone over on the LX board had something about that. Its under an option ... can't find it over there or remember the exact wording, but the option is like "add modules" or something to that effect
*edit* Found it, post # 55 has what I was talking about....http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=22586&page=4&highlight=enable+module+starscan
DAYTONA_R/T
08-26-2006, 08:24 PM
I went to a local dealer and they programed the evic for free.... they didn't know what to do withthe starscan to enable it, so myself and the service advisor searched lxforums for the steps to do it on his computer....
Carla & Kevin Go ManGo!!!
08-30-2006, 11:05 PM
Hi all,
I've read through most of the pages, and it seems that there are two harnesses. A harness that goes under the dash from the A pillar to the radio. And one harness that goes from the A pillar to the mirror.
I was having trouble understanding which harness everyone was needing: the mirror harness or the dash harness? Looking at our Charger, we have a harness coming from the mirror to the A pillar with 11 wires. But, there is no harness connecting into this from the dash. Does this mean we only need to buy the dash harness, or we also need the mirror harness?
I haven't checked the harness behind the glove box yet.
Any and all help is appreciated. This forum is great!!
mnunes
08-30-2006, 11:32 PM
Everyone needs the mirror harness. Depending on the specific build of your car, you may or may not need the dash harness. Easiest way to tell if you need the dash harness is to count the pins in the a-pillar connector.
You have a harness from the mirror to the a-pillar already? What type of mirror is it?
Carla & Kevin Go ManGo!!!
08-30-2006, 11:46 PM
Dohh!! I just went to look at it again. Apparently, the male connector is from the dash. The connector was in a position that made it look like the wires went into the rubber tubing that went up the A pilar to the headliner.
So, things are making more sense. All I need then is the mirror harness? Of course, I will need the mirror, and u-connect module as well.
mnunes, thanks for your quick response.
mnunes
08-30-2006, 11:53 PM
With 11 wires in the a-pillar, it sounds like the only harness you need is the one to the mirror.
GLHS837
08-31-2006, 06:08 AM
Hmmm, Rainsense? Now, lets get nuts and see about Smartbeam:) I'm pretty sure that its a common sensor now. Ted? You out there?
whiskey
08-31-2006, 06:12 AM
Hmmm, Rainsense? Now, lets get nuts and see about Smartbeam:) I'm pretty sure that its a common sensor now. Ted? You out there?
I know I am willing to pay to add these options.
Carla & Kevin Go ManGo!!!
08-31-2006, 11:15 AM
After talking with the dealer, they told us that we may need to upgrade the Power Control Module and/or Body Control Module. And that this is very expensive.
They said they wouldn't know if we needed these or not, until we got all the parts installed. At that time, they would see if it would work.
Has anyone else needed to do this? Are these already equipped to handle these parts? It would seem weird to not have these equipped when the harness is there.
Thanks again for the replies.
Ted@AllUSA
08-31-2006, 02:10 PM
The PCM appears to be the same, as these options are available for the different trim levels. This should be just a few steps needed to activate the option if the car did not come equipped. We will be verifying this information as we begin the test install.
1LAPSRT
08-31-2006, 02:56 PM
The PCM appears to be the same, as these options are available for the different trim levels. This should be just a few steps needed to activate the option if the car did not come equipped. We will be verifying this information as we begin the test install.
Any news on the timing of the u-connect modules and the availability of the "kit #2" for the install?
Ted@AllUSA
08-31-2006, 03:03 PM
All parts are here except for the harnesses we are making. Supplier has had a few issues with getting us the connectors we need. For those of you who do not need the under dash harness, Jeff is adding the kits to our site. Of course we have not had the opportunity to create the install docs either.
CrAkD 06 RT
08-31-2006, 06:29 PM
I dont have evic so what are the benefits of doing this version over the accessory version if i cant have caller id and stuff under my speedo?
HKLEVI
08-31-2006, 06:51 PM
I dont have evic so what are the benefits of doing this version over the accessory version if i cant have caller id and stuff under my speedo?
You would have the display on your radio for call ID. The other accessory versions of this only give you blue tooth hands free for the same amount of $$$ spent.
CrAkD 06 RT
08-31-2006, 06:55 PM
You would have the display on your radio for call ID. The other accessory versions of this only give you blue tooth hands free for the same amount of $$$ spent.
i noticed well looking at the mopar supercenter that the 6 disc says uconnect compatible i have the regular radio/cd which doesnt say anything would i need to get the 6 disk to have caller id on the radio?
HKLEVI
08-31-2006, 07:07 PM
i noticed well looking at the mopar supercenter that the 6 disc says uconnect compatible i have the regular radio/cd which doesnt say anything would i need to get the 6 disk to have caller id on the radio?
Good question...Do you have siruis too? I would maybe ping a dealer on this if you get no imputs form others.
CrAkD 06 RT
08-31-2006, 07:20 PM
Good question...Do you have siruis too? I would maybe ping a dealer on this if you get no imputs form others.
nope no sirius. basicly only options are hemi, leather, and power drivers seat.
HKLEVI
08-31-2006, 08:10 PM
Like Ted said, u-connect is up and for sale on thier site. $324.85 shipped if you have the dash harness already.
Man I want to bust out the credit card....
HKLEVI
08-31-2006, 08:13 PM
OK u-connect fans...I purchased a Jet Pilot harness from one of our fellow forum members before the mystery of how to find out if you are pre-wired was reveled. I now no longer need the harness I have. I will let it go for what I paid, $50 shipped. PM me if you are interested.
HemiChemi
08-31-2006, 09:17 PM
I dont have evic so what are the benefits of doing this version over the accessory version if i cant have caller id and stuff under my speedo?A. You hear it through your excellent stereo instead of a crappy little speaker.
B. I ALSO see caller number, and I think sig strength on the RADIO'S display. You get NO DISPLAY with the aftermarket version (I don't think!)
C. The radio mutes automatically when a call starts (incoming or outgoing).
D. The UConnect button is easy to see/reach on the rearview.
E. The microphone is in the rearview and gets a good signal when speaking normally.
F. You also get an autodimming rearview mirror.
CrAkD 06 RT
08-31-2006, 09:24 PM
A. You hear it through your excellent stereo instead of a crappy little speaker.
B. I ALSO see caller number, and I think sig strength on the RADIO'S display. You get NO DISPLAY with the aftermarket version (I don't think!)
C. The radio mutes automatically when a call starts (incoming or outgoing).
D. The UConnect button is easy to see/reach on the rearview.
E. The microphone is in the rearview and gets a good signal when speaking normally.
F. You also get an autodimming rearview mirror.
do you know if the regular cd player will work or do i need atleast a 6 disk?
HemiChemi
08-31-2006, 09:42 PM
do you know if the regular cd player will work or do i need atleast a 6 disk?THAT I don't know. I have the 6-disk.
CrAkD 06 RT
08-31-2006, 09:51 PM
THAT I don't know. I have the 6-disk.
do you know if it works on the nav unit? cause if im gonna upgrade i might as well go all the way.
HemiChemi
08-31-2006, 10:00 PM
do you know if it works on the nav unit? cause if im gonna upgrade i might as well go all the way.Yes, it does. I'm going to upgrade to NAV, too. Here's my thoughts on that:
I read somewhere there's a new NAV coming for the '07s. If it's substantially better, I'll wait for that. If it ISN'T, the old model will get cheaper soon.
If all the above DOESN'T happen, I'll buy from ebay and pay <<$1000 versus the ~$2k Dodge wants. Look for ones with the updated joystick and the version "AD" disk (dated Feb '06, I think).
CrAkD 06 RT
08-31-2006, 10:03 PM
Yes, it does. I'm going to upgrade to NAV, too. Here's my thoughts on that:
I read somewhere there's a new NAV coming for the '07s. If it's substantially better, I'll wait for that. If it ISN'T, the old model will get cheaper soon.
If all the above DOESN'T happen, I'll buy from ebay and pay >>$1000 versus the ~$2k Dodge wants. Look for ones with the updated joystick and the version "AD" disk (dated Feb '06, I think).
thats the other thread i just posted so that will work with u connect an everything else? ill need an adaptor for my ipod tho cause the cd player i have now has aux in right on the front.
HemiChemi
08-31-2006, 10:08 PM
thats the other thread i just posted so that will work with u connect an everything else? ill need an adaptor for my ipod tho cause the cd player i have now has aux in right on the front.Yes. Why ALL radios don't come with aux inputs these days is beyond me!
Hemiready
08-31-2006, 10:14 PM
thats the other thread i just posted so that will work with u connect an everything else? ill need an adaptor for my ipod tho cause the cd player i have now has aux in right on the front.
I've got the nav and I've been following that other thread. I'll be doing the same thing.
mnunes
08-31-2006, 10:18 PM
OK u-connect fans...I purchased a Jet Pilot harness from one of our fellow forum members before the mystery of how to find out if you are pre-wired was reveled. I now no longer need the harness I have. I will let it go for what I paid, $50 shipped. PM me if you are interested.
PM sent.
1LAPSRT
09-01-2006, 08:38 AM
All parts are here except for the harnesses we are making. Supplier has had a few issues with getting us the connectors we need. For those of you who do not need the under dash harness, Jeff is adding the kits to our site. Of course we have not had the opportunity to create the install docs either.
Order placed 2 minutes ago..... I just wanted to see if it shipped yet....:whistle:
Thanks again Ted and Jeff for all the excellent support.
I have the factory wiring, so no additional (custom) harness needed.
JEFF@ALLUSA
09-01-2006, 08:41 AM
Order placed 2 minutes ago..... I just wanted to see if it shipped yet....:whistle:
Thanks again Ted and Jeff for all the excellent support.
I have the factory wiring, so no additional (custom) harness needed.
Processing your order now.
Jeff
1LAPSRT
09-01-2006, 09:18 AM
Processing your order now.
Jeff
WOOT ! ! ! You guys rock ! ! ! :rockon:
nacnack
09-01-2006, 10:22 PM
I apologize ahead of time for being a novice at this...
Awesome information, however, for us novices whom just bought the 06/SRT8 and lovin it don't completely understand the terminology your using i.e.
1. What is an A-Pillar?
2. You mentioned looking for a unused wiring harness behind the glove box: any particular color? Number of connectors? I took a peek behind my glove box and I see a sh*^ load of wiring harnesses, don't exactly know what I'm look at.
3. I'm having the dealer do this for me, but I want to make sure they order the right items because when I mentioned ordering the U-Connect for my car the parts guy gave me the deer in the headlights stare. Then after about an hour of research he ordered what he thinks will work (Wish I had printed your info out and took it with me). So we're crossing our fingers in hope he got the right items.
Again, great info but if anyone can take pictures of the step by step install I will have a better idea of what your talking about. :knockout:
mnunes
09-01-2006, 10:33 PM
Awesome information, however, for us novices whom just bought the 06/SRT8 and lovin it don't completely understand the terminology your using i.e.
1. What is an A-Pillar?
2. You mentioned looking for a unused wiring harness behind the glove box: any particular color? Number of connectors? I took a peek behind my glove box and I see a sh*^ load of wiring harnesses, don't exactly know what I'm look at.
3. I'm having the dealer do this for me, but I want to make sure they order the right items because when I mentioned ordering the U-Connect for my car the parts guy gave me the deer in the headlights stare. Then after about an hour of research he ordered what he thinks will work (Wish I had printed your info out and took it with me). So we're crossing our fingers in hope he got the right items.
Again, great info but if anyone can take pictures of the step by step install I will have a better idea of what your talking about. :knockout:
1. "A-pillar" is the roof support at the front of the car, also holding the windshield in place. There is a driver-side A-pillar and a passenger-side A-pillar. You're interested in the driver-side A-pillar. There's also a "B-pillar" which supports the middle of the roof between the front and rear doors (again, driver side and passenger side). Finally, there's a "C-pillar" that supports the roof in the rear and holds the rear window in place (driver side, passenger side).
2. Not sure on this one, I don't have the harness.
3. Be careful here. The dealer will likely only know about parts for the dealer-installed u-connect, very different than the factory u-connect. The dealer-installed u-connect doesn't have all of the integration that the factory one does. Make sure you check the part numbers he's ordered. If they don't match what has been listed here and elsewhere, he's probably ordered the dealer parts which are very different.
Hope this helps!
Usualy all car manufactures have only one wirring loom in the car its just cheaper that way, and just add the options
Texas_HEMI
09-02-2006, 01:44 PM
I just checked my A-pillar connector and took a few shots. I could count at least 11 wires, so hopefully I have what I need to order the kit without the additional harness. The A-pillar comes off very easily, just use your fingers to release the top connector. I am not sure if the whole snap in assembly was supposed to pop out, but when I squeezed from both sides it popped right out.
http://www.redtailboas.com/charger/Acolumn.jpg
http://www.redtailboas.com/charger/Acolumn1.jpg
http://www.redtailboas.com/charger/Acolumn2.jpg
http://www.redtailboas.com/charger/Acolumn3.jpg
http://www.redtailboas.com/charger/Acolumn-plug.jpg
mnunes
09-02-2006, 03:52 PM
Texas, looks like you're good to go, too.
I wonder what the commonality is for the people that have the wiring already in place. And why doesn't mine have the extra wires? Grrr......
HemiChemi
09-02-2006, 07:18 PM
Texas, looks like you're good to go, too.
I wonder what the commonality is for the people that have the wiring already in place. And why doesn't mine have the extra wires? Grrr......Obviously, it's karma payback for your past transgressions... :whistle:
I hope I've been good, because my wife wants it in her 300C, and I haven't looked in her A-pillar yet...
:laugh:
HKLEVI
09-02-2006, 07:25 PM
Obviously, it's karma payback for your past transgressions... :whistle:
I hope I've been good, because my wife wants it in her 300C, and I haven't looked in her A-pillar yet...
:laugh:
That can't be it, I'm still working on the 5th life trying to make amends (and seem to be making more work for my 100th life self....:alien: )
mnunes
09-03-2006, 12:11 AM
Obviously, it's karma payback for your past transgressions... :whistle:
:laugh:
Well if that's true, you might have NO wires in yours...... :)
HemiChemi
09-03-2006, 08:23 AM
Well if that's true, you might have NO wires in yours...... :)SHHHHH! :cry: :cry: :cry:
nacnack
09-03-2006, 11:37 PM
I just checked my A-pillar connector and took a few shots. I could count at least 11 wires, so hopefully I have what I need to order the kit without the additional harness. The A-pillar comes off very easily, just use your fingers to release the top connector. I am not sure if the whole snap in assembly was supposed to pop out, but when I squeezed from both sides it popped right out.
thanks allot....clear as crystal. going out to check now...
nacnack
09-04-2006, 12:18 AM
Found it! It has at least 11 pins, however I'm still not sure what to look for behind the glove box. I did find a 2 pin wiring harness but I also had my dashboard speakers replaced (JL's all the way around) so I'm not sure if this was the old speaker wire. No one has talked about the number of pins the harness behind the glovebox should have; but it was mentioned that if you have the harness behind the A-Pillar you should be good-2-go.
Just want to know what the pin connector behind the glovebox should look like? ANYONE? ANYONE?
I'm going back to the dealer tomorrow and take the proper part #'s with me and see what he ordered.
mnunes
09-04-2006, 10:52 PM
Found it! It has at least 11 pins, however I'm still not sure what to look for behind the glove box. I did find a 2 pin wiring harness but I also had my dashboard speakers replaced (JL's all the way around) so I'm not sure if this was the old speaker wire. No one has talked about the number of pins the harness behind the glovebox should have; but it was mentioned that if you have the harness behind the A-Pillar you should be good-2-go.
Just want to know what the pin connector behind the glovebox should look like? ANYONE? ANYONE?
I'm going back to the dealer tomorrow and take the proper part #'s with me and see what he ordered.
I think the 2-pin harness is to connect the glovebox light. (You need to buy the light and the switch, but the wiring for power is already in place.)
CrAkD 06 RT
09-05-2006, 06:40 AM
is it possible to not have it at all cause going by the pictures on this page i dont....i dont even have the big black wire running up tha a pillar the wire holders are there but the wires not. I have the very basic options only.
JEFF@ALLUSA
09-05-2006, 06:47 AM
Yes it possible that you will need both harness's,the module and the mirror. We are waiting on the connectors to come in so we can make the dash harness and then we will do an install so we can write the "how to" on this.
Jeff
CrAkD 06 RT
09-05-2006, 07:36 AM
Yes it possible that you will need both harness's,the module and the mirror. We are waiting on the connectors to come in so we can make the dash harness and then we will do an install so we can write the "how to" on this.
Jeff
yeah thanks alot I dont know if ill have the guts to do it cause I bought a new car to not have to worry about rattling body pieces and stuff i dont wanna start ripping the car apart already....but if the install looks easy enough maybe ill be brave.
krcossin
09-05-2006, 07:45 AM
yeah thanks alot I dont know if ill have the guts to do it cause I bought a new car to not have to worry about rattling body pieces and stuff i dont wanna start ripping the car apart already....but if the install looks easy enough maybe ill be brave.
I did the self installed factory bluetooth and have no loose rattles (sun roof doesn't count). Install is very simple less than one hour, follow the instructions (http://ca.geocities.com/srt8_@rogers.com/main.htm) and your done.
CrAkD 06 RT
09-05-2006, 09:26 AM
I did the self installed factory bluetooth and have no loose rattles (sun roof doesn't count). Install is very simple less than one hour, follow the instructions (http://ca.geocities.com/srt8_@rogers.com/main.htm) and your done.
looks like from that page you atleast have a harness...i have nothing! i have no auto dimming mirror no steering wheel controls no evic and just the stock cd player i took the A pillar off and theres no harness there whatsoever I would imagine installing a harness from there to the radio to the glovebox has gotta be a huge pita.
1LAPSRT
09-06-2006, 01:44 PM
Received yesterday, installed at lunch today. Took longer to "pair" the phone to the radio than anything else. Only tool I needed was a #15 torx for the mirror.
Thanks MoparSupercenter for a great kit. :grin:
Ted@AllUSA
09-06-2006, 01:51 PM
So Doug, where is the step by step with photos install documentation you were going to provide for us?
J/K
1LAPSRT
09-06-2006, 02:01 PM
So Doug, where is the step by step with photos install documentation you were going to provide for us?
J/K
I think I sent them to LXforums by accident.... :knockout:
Hemiready
09-06-2006, 08:34 PM
So Doug, where is the step by step with photos install documentation you were going to provide for us?
J/K
Ted, any hope on the harnesses for those of us that need them?
I'm holding off pulling the radio for another mod in case you guys will be ready with the wiring kits soon.
Ted@AllUSA
09-06-2006, 09:13 PM
Ted, any hope on the harnesses for those of us that need them?
I'm holding off pulling the radio for another mod in case you guys will be ready with the wiring kits soon.
Yes,
I should have an update on this tomorrow.
Hemiready
09-06-2006, 09:33 PM
Yes,
I should have an update on this tomorrow.
That was fast:grin:
Looking forward to it. I'll hold off on the other thing for now.
Ted@AllUSA
09-07-2006, 05:02 PM
Ok, I have worked out a deal for the Jet Harness assembly. We are now taking over their harness business as their exclusive supplier for the harnesses. I have placed the initial stock order from them and anticipate delivery mid next week. We will be maintaining the price on the harness set by Jet Harness at $79.95 + shipping. We will be adjusting our site to offer 2 different UConnect kits, 1 with this harness for those who will be requiring it, and another for those who do not need the harness. I will also offer the harness individually for those who wish to purchase the other components from another supplier. As an added bonus, for those who order the the kit with the harness and then find out they do not need it, we will buy it back at our cost offering those customers a very low investment loss.
I felt it was best to go about this in this manner, rather than trying to re-invent the wheel. Besides, the guys who designed the harness took alot of time in research and development. This way, we buy the harnesses from them, they still make a little, and they only have to deal with 1 person. They started this to help out their fellow forum members, and we want to continue in their efforts. I am not closing them down, they have their own everyday business, and this got to be a little more involved than they anticipated. We are working together to help the LX owners in their vehicle modifications.
1LAPSRT
09-07-2006, 05:17 PM
Tada....Ted is the MAN ! ! !
I'm in (kit #2).... can you add it to my order from the GB Exhaust?
Just had to reiterate that MPSC is awesome..... Thanks Ted and Jeff ! ! !
Ted@AllUSA
09-07-2006, 06:28 PM
The kits are now listed on our site under the following part numbers.
JETLX - Harness only - $79.95 + shipping
PKLXUC1 - Complete UConnect system w/ Jet Harness - $394.90 + shipping
PKLXUC2 - Complete UConnect system w/o the Jet harness - $314.95 + shipping
We are still working on creating a complete install documentation, so please be patient. If you need assistance, do not hesitate to call us.
HKLEVI
09-07-2006, 06:42 PM
Ted,
Did you guys decide to look into the possibility of us charger owners adding the rain sensors as well? I know it was briefly discussed but have heard no more. Not to over whelm you guys on projects, you have really come through for us on many items, the u-connect just the latest example of your dedication to us.:clap:
Thanks again, and as soon as my raise comes in, I'm hittin you for the u-connect!:rockon:
Hemiready
09-07-2006, 07:05 PM
The kits are now listed on our site under the following part numbers.
JETLX - Harness only - $79.95 + shipping
PKLXUC1 - Complete UConnect system w/ Jet Harness - $394.90 + shipping
PKLXUC2 - Complete UConnect system w/o the Jet harness - $314.95 + shipping
We are still working on creating a complete install documentation, so please be patient. If you need assistance, do not hesitate to call us.
Thanks Ted, I'll order up. Are there any instructions available right now or will I be on my own for now?
Ted@AllUSA
09-07-2006, 07:20 PM
No, there really is not any instructions available. We must get bits and pieces from different sources such as http://ca.geocities.com/srt8_@rogers.com/main.htm . There are some additional threads on LXforums such as this one, http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=22586&highlight=uconnect+jaak although you will not need to do that wiring.
The underdash harness only requires you to snap 4 wires into the A pillar connector using these images to help.
http://www.moparsupercenter.com/bb/uploads/UC_install.jpg
http://www.moparsupercenter.com/bb/uploads/UC_install_2.jpg
Ted@AllUSA
09-07-2006, 07:22 PM
When we make our install docs, I will try to make this much easier to understand for those who may be wiring challenged. I am also available for phone support, just give me a ring.
Ted@AllUSA
09-07-2006, 07:25 PM
Did you guys decide to look into the possibility of us charger owners adding the rain sensors as well? .......
This is in the works as well, do not have a time table yet, as this is a bit more complex.
CrAkD 06 RT
09-07-2006, 08:16 PM
No, there really is not any instructions available. We must get bits and pieces from different sources such as http://ca.geocities.com/srt8_@rogers.com/main.htm . There are some additional threads on LXforums such as this one, http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=22586&highlight=uconnect+jaak although you will not need to do that wiring.
The underdash harness only requires you to snap 4 wires into the A pillar connector using these images to help.
http://www.moparsupercenter.com/bb/uploads/UC_install.jpg
http://www.moparsupercenter.com/bb/uploads/UC_install_2.jpg
now what about those people that dont have any a pillar harness at all?
Hemiready
09-07-2006, 08:41 PM
Most of it should be plug and play. The part I'm concerned about is how the Jet Harness connects to whatever is in the pillar.
I'll figure it out - or blow the car up. Either way.:
)
Ted@AllUSA
09-08-2006, 03:56 AM
It is really not that difficult, just push the pins into their corresponding holes. I will try to get some details posted on the proper pin-out locations and which wire goes where.
Ted@AllUSA
09-08-2006, 04:32 AM
Hopefully this illustration helps on the pin-outs.
http://www.moparsupercenter.com/bb/uploads/266_UC_install_4.jpg
mnunes
09-09-2006, 04:27 PM
EDIT #1: I have gone back and corrected the mis-wiring of the a-pillar harness pins. Posts below that refer
to incorrect wiring refer to the wiring before this edit.
EDIT #2: I have added instructions for the rest of the installation.
1 - remove the a-pillar revealing the connector
Get a finger under the top outside edge of the a-pillar cover and pull towards the drivers seat. It will pop out a little (about an inch or so).
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/0001-RemovingTheApillarCoverSmall.jpg
Here's the back of the a-pillar cover. The red arrow is where it attaches at the top; the yellow arrow is where it attaches in the middle.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/0002-BackofAPillarCoverSmall.jpg
When you're trying to pull it out, first squeeze the tabs on the black plastic bracket holding the top attach point in place. The bracket will come out of its hole and remain on the top connector. Then pull gently until the middle tab comes out of its hole, too. The a-pillar cover then lifts out.
Here's the connector revealed after the a-pillar cover is removed.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/01-ApillarConnectorBeforeModSmall.jpg
2 - Remove the cover just above the pedals (under the dash on the driver's side). It's held in place by 2 small round push-in fasteners. Feed the wires from the harness up from under the dash to the a-pillar. I slid a piece of insulated wire down from the a-pillar, attached the harness wires, then pulled them back up.
The red arrow is where the a-pillar is (looking up from under the dash by the pedals). The big round thing is the speaker in the dash board.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/02-GettingHarnessUpToAPillarConnect.jpg
3 - Harness wires are now ready to be installed in the existing connector.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/03-HarnessWiresAtAPillarSmall.jpg
4 - Harness wires installed in the connector - CORRECTED
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/04a-ApillarConnectorAfterModSmall.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/05a-ApillarConnectorAfterMod2Small.jpg
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/04b-ApillarConnectorAfterMod3Small.jpg
5 - Remove the glove compartment. The red arrow shows where you push to remove the string on the right. I used a small screwdriver to push it from the inside, then you slide the plastic piece down and out to remove it.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/0005-RemovingGloveBox1Small.jpg
There are two tabs that hold the glove box "inside" its opening. Squeeze the tabs into the glove box at the same time, then pull the box so it rotates farther open.
The left tab
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/0006-RemovingGloveBoxLeftTabSmall.jpg
The right tab
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/0007-RemovingGloveBoxRightTabSmall.jpg
There are 2 hinges that you need to pop the box off. Note: you don't unscrew anything, they just pop off.
The left hinge
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/0008-RemovingGloveBoxLeftHingeSmall.jpg
The right hinge
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/0009-RemovingGloveBoxRightHingeSmal.jpg
6 - Pull the rest of the harness behind the radio to the glove compartment. Again, I used that insulated piece of wire, taped the harness to it, and pulled it through.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/06-HarnessRoutedToGloveboxSmall.jpg
7 - Remove the radio trim piece. It's just held in by clips and it pops out with gentle pressure, starting from the top along the sides. Don't pull it all the way out, though. There are 3 cables holding it in place.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/07-DashTrimComingOffSmall.jpg
8 - Here's the back of the radio trim. Red arrows indicate the clips holding it in place; yellow arrows indicate the 3 electrical connectors.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/09-BackOfDashTrimSmall.jpg
9 - Here's the radio with the trim removed. The 4 red arrows indicate the 4 Phillips screws that hold the radio in place. Remove the 4 screws.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/08-RadioWithoutTrimSmall.jpg
10 - Here's the back of the radio. The red arrow indicates the factory cable still attached. Carefully unplug it.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/11-BackOfRadioBeforeModSmall.jpg
11 - Feed the 2 connectors from the end of the Jet harness into the space behind where the radio goes. The connector in the middle of the harness stays in the glove compartment to connect to the telematics module.
12 - Plug the Jet harness into the radio where the factory cable was (yellow arrow), then plug the factory harness (red arrow) into the jack on the Jet harness (yellow arrow).
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/12-BackOfRadioAfterModSmall.jpg
13 - Reinstall the radio. (Whew! It still works.)
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/13-RadioStillWorksAfterModSmall.jpg
14 - Attach the 3 cables to the trim piece and re-install the trim.
15 - Now tie down the cables under the dash (driver's side) to prevent getting caught be moving parts. It's awfully cramped down there. Large people need not apply..... :)
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/15-HarnessTiedDownUnderDriverSideDa.jpg
Tie the cables away from the shiny silver tubes: they carry coolant from the radiator for the heater.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/14-HarnessTiedDownUnderDriverSideDa.jpg
16 - Tidy up the cable still in the glove compartment. There's probably lots more than you need, so tie it up carefully.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/16-TidyingUpHarnessUnderGlobeBoxBef.jpg
Here's the mirror harness
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/0003-TheMirrorHarness1Small.jpg
Close-up of mirror harness connectors:
Red goes to mirror, yellow goes to telematics module, blue is unused at this time (hopefully used for rain-sensor)
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/0004-TheMirrorHarness2Small.jpg
17 - Connect the telematics module to the cable in the glove compartment. (A portion of the module's connector does not get filled. I don't know what would go there.) As soon as I did this, the passenger's map light turned on; I don't know if this is normal or not but the light still works normally.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/0010-TelematicsModuleWithCableattac.jpg
18 - There are 2 mounting holes on the right wall inside the dash where the glove box was. There are corresponding holes in the telematics module.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/0011-TelematicsMountingPointsSmall.jpg
Mount the module with the cable pointing towards the front of the car. Note: the holes are not threaded/tapped so I assume you're supposed to use push-in fasteners. I didn't have any that small so I used cable ties. You'll probably want to have a small assortment of fasteners on hand to make the
installation easy and secure.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/0012-TelematicsInstalledSmall.jpg
19 - Test before continuing. Temporarily plug the mirror harness into the a-pillar connector and the mirror (2 connectors).
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/0013-A-pillarHarnessConnectedToMirr.jpg
Back of mirror - 2 connectors.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/18-BackOfUConnectMirrorSmall.jpg
Turn the ignition to ON (ACC doesn't seem to work for this). Try pairing a Bluetooth phone to the system. If it doesn't work, you might want to troubleshoot before continuing.
20 - Reinstall the glove box. First attach to the bottom hinges, then partially close the box until the tabs pop back into place. Don't forget to re-attach the string thingy on the right.
21 - Route the mirror harness up through the headliner and over to the a-pillar. There are a number of push fasteners on the cable; I assume they're measured to fit into existing holes up above the headliner. I'm lazy so I just tucked the cable up under the front of the headliner and didn't secure it. If I ever get my car to the dealer for the rattle in the sunroof and they drop the headliner I'll ask them to secure the cable properly. :)
22 - Tuck the mirror harness into the clips in the a-pillar.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d200/mnunes1/Mods/UConnect/0014-MirrorHarnessTuckedAwaySmall.jpg
23 - Re-attach the a-pillar cover. First remove the black plastic clip from the top connector and put it back in its hole in the a-pillar. Slide the tabs from the cover into the bottom holes, then line up the middle and top attachment points. Push the middle, then the top. The whole thing pops right into place.
24 - Enjoy a sammich and a beer.
Edited 9/16/06 to correct mis-wiring
Edited 9/18/06 to complete the installation and add some more detail to the other steps.
HKLEVI
09-09-2006, 05:08 PM
I just got through installing the harness. I still need to get the telematics module and mirror harness, but installing those looks much easier than the Jet harness.
1 - remove the a-pillar revealing the connector
2 - Remove the under-dash cover and feed the wires from the harness up from under the dash to the a-pillar. I slid a piece of insulated wire down from the a-pillar, attached the harness wires, then pulled them back up. The red arrow is where the a-pillar is (looking up from under the dash by the pedals). The big round thing is the speaker in the dash board.
3 - Harness wires are now ready to be installed in the existing connector.
4 - Harness wires installed in the connector
5 - Remove the glove compartment. There are 2 side tabs plus the little string on the right, then the two hinges pop off (no tools required here).
6 - Pull the rest of the harness behind the radio to the glove compartment. Again, I used that insulated piece of wire, taped the harness to it, and pulled it through.
7 - Remove the radio trim piece. It's just held in by clips and it pops out with gentle pressure, starting from the top along the sides. Don't pull it all the way out, though. There are 3 cables holding it in place.
8 - Here's the back of the radio trim. Red arrows indicate the clips holding it in place; yellow arrows indicate the 3 electrical connectors.
9 - Here's the radio with the trim removed. The 4 red arrows indicate the 4 Phillips screws that hold the radio in place. Remove the 4 screws.
10 - Here's the back of the radio. The red arrow indicates the factory cable still attached. Carefully unplug it.
11 - Feed the 2 connectors from the end of the Jet harness into the space behind where the radio goes. The connector in the middle of the harness stays in the glove compartment to connect to the telematics module.
12 - Plug the Jet harness into the radio where the factory cable was (yellow arrow), then plug the factory harness (red arrow) into the jack on the Jet harness (yellow arrow).
13 - Reinstall the radio. (Whew! It still works.)
14 - Attach the 3 cables to the trim piece and re-install the trim.
15 - Now tie down the cables under the dash (driver's side) to prevent getting caught be moving parts. It's awfully cramped down there. Large people need not apply..... :)
Tie the cables away from the shiny silver tubes: they carry coolant from the radiator for the heater.
16 - Tidy up the cable still in the glove compartment. There's probably lots more than you need, so tie it up carefully.
Now I just need to get the harness from the a-pillar to the mirror and install the telematics module. Hopefully I have those by next weekend......
Dang Mike, didn't take you long! Here I was all smug with my glove light and auto head lights mods today and you go and pull a can of Whoop @SS on a mod. Great write up and pics. Will defiantly help others when it comes their time.
Ted@AllUSA
09-09-2006, 06:56 PM
Excellent write up, mind if we use it?
mnunes
09-09-2006, 07:14 PM
Excellent write up, mind if we use it?
No problem, go right ahead.
Well, as long as I actually got the pins in the right slots, that is. Won't know that until I actually plug in. And I'd feel bad if a whole bunch of people blew up expensive electronics because I'm dyslexic or something.......
mnunes
09-09-2006, 07:17 PM
Dang Mike, didn't take you long! Here I was all smug with my glove light and auto head lights mods today and you go and pull a can of Whoop @SS on a mod. Great write up and pics. Will defiantly help others when it comes their time.
No Whoopass intended here, just trying to return a little to the community that gives to me every day.
I was actually thinking, when I had it all apart, sheesh I should have ordered the glovebox light while I'm doing all this.... :)
HKLEVI
09-09-2006, 07:27 PM
No Whoopass intended here, just trying to return a little to the community that gives to me every day.
I was actually thinking, when I had it all apart, sheesh I should have ordered the glovebox light while I'm doing all this.... :)
That's what took me so long to do the glove light, I was waiting to do the harness at the same time.
Jerry m.
09-11-2006, 02:05 PM
Hello everyone, I have also been waiting to do this factory uconnect mod. I have a 300c, but I guess the install is pretty much the same. My Jet-harness just arrived this morning and I was checking out a couple pictures posted by Mnunes of his install.
If you look at the 5th picture of post #174
Can someone please verify, but it seems that pin 7 was plugged in the wrong spot. The locking clip is on the bottom.
According to the pic posted by Ted@MPSC, post #173 pin #7 is on the top left with the locking clip on top.
Ted@AllUSA
09-11-2006, 03:02 PM
Good eye there, you are correct!
Upon further investigation, there is one more in the wrong position.
I posted an image, but it may not be as simple as switching the pins where there are five in a row.
He may have to move each one down 1 slot, I really can't tell by the colors (I'm color blind).
Ted@AllUSA
09-11-2006, 03:39 PM
I got the colors figured out from his photo. All five wires are in the wrong position. I have an image posted with arrows showing which wire goes where.
Hemiready
09-11-2006, 08:33 PM
No problem, go right ahead.
Well, as long as I actually got the pins in the right slots, that is. Won't know that until I actually plug in. And I'd feel bad if a whole bunch of people blew up expensive electronics because I'm dyslexic or something.......
STEP BACK FROM THE WIRING HARNESS MNUNES:grin:
You plug that bad boy in and you're going to be broadcasting an attack signal to aliens somewhere!
Seriously, I hope you saw Ted's post before you made the final connections!
Jerry m.
09-11-2006, 10:06 PM
I just finished my install today.
Jerry m.
09-11-2006, 10:10 PM
Special thanks to the guys at MoparSuperCenter.com for a great deal on the Uconnect package. Alot less than if I were to buy the parts my local dealer with my employee discount.
Jerry m.
09-11-2006, 10:12 PM
Thanks also to Mnunes for his install write up. Really helped me out on my install.
Jerry m.
09-11-2006, 10:14 PM
Pic of my connector before installing the pins from the Jet-harness
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j262/jetlt1/4mirrorharnessbeforemod-1.jpg
mnunes
09-11-2006, 10:56 PM
Ohhhh, so when the instructions say "harness view is from the plug-in side" they're not talking about the side that the connector plugs into, they're talking about the side that the wires slide in from. Luckily, I haven't yet received a mirror harness and telematics module so I'm not frying anything (yet).
Thanks to all that found this and posted their helpful tips. When the module arrives, I'll pull the a-pillar again to fix the wires and complete the install. I'll update the pics at that time.
Jerry m.
09-11-2006, 11:11 PM
Yes, I just followed this pic that was posted by Ted@MPSC
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j262/jetlt1/266_UC_install_4.jpg
Before inserting the Jet-harness wires in the connector, I would hold up the new mirror harness connector to make sure the correct wire colors mate together. for example the white w/blue stripe wire inserts in Pin #7, which will mate with the black w/orange stripe wire on the mirror harness.
nacnack
09-14-2006, 09:00 PM
Well I'm really bumming today,
After ordering all the parts and having the harness in the "A Pillar" I found out through the Dodge Dealership that the UConnect won't work with my aftermarket radio (Kenwood DDX-8017). That sucks big time :( Has anyone installed this unit to work with an aftermarket radio? I don't care if it doesn't display in my radio, but if it's possible to get it to mute and display on the dash (Like I'm hearing it does) that would be awesome. I am quickly finding out that after installing the Kenwood system that this car is not Aftermarket friendly. CRAP! Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
titan
09-15-2006, 12:53 AM
I am still wondering the same thing as a previous poster. What is the solution for those FEW of us that have NO white harness under the A Pillar. I went in under the dash and found no harness down in there either, thinking maybe it had slipped down inside. I have a Mar 06 production Charger R/T with Nav to boot...
1LAPSRT
09-15-2006, 07:31 AM
I am still wondering the same thing as a previous poster. What is the solution for those FEW of us that have NO white harness under the A Pillar. I went in under the dash and found no harness down in there either, thinking maybe it had slipped down inside. I have a Mar 06 production Charger R/T with Nav to boot...
Are you looking on the drivers side a-pillar?
The wires behind the glove box are pretty well hidden too....
titan
09-15-2006, 01:31 PM
Are you looking on the drivers side a-pillar?
The wires behind the glove box are pretty well hidden too....
Yes, I removed the pillar and I have nothing but the sunroof drainage hose. So I crammed a worklight in over the dash and looked down through the windshield into the hole and there are no white harnesses down there, just a black one plugged into the dash that I assume is going to my headbeams. So, so much for thinking it somehow got loose and fell down inside the dash cuz that MOFO is GONE! If it is in there, I can't find it. I have my glove box off right now to do the glove box switch mod so I am going to go look for the harness there once I get back down to the parking garage and out of my cubicle prison.
I know plenty about what the harness in the A Pillar looks like. I wish someone would post some pictures showing the location and what the harness behind the glove box is.
Jerry m.
09-16-2006, 12:18 AM
Yes, I removed the pillar and I have nothing but the sunroof drainage hose. So I crammed a worklight in over the dash and looked down through the windshield into the hole and there are no white harnesses down there, just a black one plugged into the dash that I assume is going to my headbeams. So, so much for thinking it somehow got loose and fell down inside the dash cuz that MOFO is GONE! If it is in there, I can't find it. I have my glove box off right now to do the glove box switch mod so I am going to go look for the harness there once I get back down to the parking garage and out of my cubicle prison.
I know plenty about what the harness in the A Pillar looks like. I wish someone would post some pictures showing the location and what the harness behind the glove box is.
Here are a couple of pics I found on the lxforums. If you have the harness it will be located right behind the glove box on the right side.
connector wrapped,,, notice the tension string that hooks to the side of the glove box.
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j262/jetlt1/connector1.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j262/jetlt1/connector2.jpg
titan
09-16-2006, 09:10 AM
Thanks a ton. I was tired of hearing "the gray one" when I see at least 2 large gray plugs in there! Will go check now so I can reinstall my damn glove box.
edit: I definitely do not have it. And I definitely do not have the white harness on my A pillar. As I understood it, there were only two variations and they were just differences in the number of wires. What are we to do if we don't have the harness at all?
Ted@AllUSA
09-16-2006, 10:16 AM
Well, if you do not have the harness at all, we would just need see if we can get the empty connector for you.
easyemale
09-16-2006, 12:59 PM
I am still wondering the same thing as a previous poster. What is the solution for those FEW of us that have NO white harness under the A Pillar. I went in under the dash and found no harness down in there either, thinking maybe it had slipped down inside. I have a Mar 06 production Charger R/T with Nav to boot...
That is strange. My built date is the same and I have RT with Nav. I have the white harness but not enough wires.
Jerry m.
09-16-2006, 02:03 PM
I would assume that if you do not currently have an autodimming mirror, you may not have the white connector in the A-pillar.
easyemale
09-16-2006, 03:32 PM
I would assume that if you do not currently have an autodimming mirror, you may not have the white connector in the A-pillar.
I do not have that mirror but still have the white connector.
Jerry m.
09-16-2006, 04:55 PM
I do not have that mirror but still have the white connector.
I just seen your earlier post.. You may require the Jet harness if these slots in the connector are empty (see pic ) this was my connector before inserting the pins from the Jet harness
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j262/jetlt1/4mirrorharnessbeforemod-1.jpg
naperguy
09-16-2006, 06:31 PM
OK - So let me get something clarified:
1) I have the A-pillar harness with enough wires (about 12 or so).
So all I need is the mirror, module, and get it re-flashed???
Jerry m.
09-16-2006, 07:07 PM
OK - So let me get something clarified:
1) I have the A-pillar harness with enough wires (about 12 or so).
So all I need is the mirror, module, and get it re-flashed???
As long as there are wires in slots # 7, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 (see pic in post #200)
You will need:
Uconnect mirror
Module
new mirror harness
this package is available through MoparSuperCenter.com
mnunes
09-16-2006, 09:15 PM
I've gone back and re-wired my a-pillar connector (hopefully correctly this time) and updated the pics in post #174.
http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=346691&postcount=174
Many thanks to Jerry M., Ted, and Hemiready for spotting my potentially costly mistakes.
If you guys have a sec, please take a look at the "corrected" pics to make sure I didn't screw things up even further. :)
The telematics module and mirror harness are supposed to arrive on Monday so hopefully I'll be doing the install early this week.
Jerry m.
09-16-2006, 10:08 PM
I've gone back and re-wired my a-pillar connector (hopefully correctly this time) and updated the pics in post #174.
http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=346691&postcount=174
Many thanks to Jerry M., Ted, and Hemiready for spotting my potentially costly mistakes.
If you guys have a sec, please take a look at the "corrected" pics to make sure I didn't screw things up even further. :)
The telematics module and mirror harness are supposed to arrive on Monday so hopefully I'll be doing the install early this week.
Looks good to me.. Your ready to go...
titan
09-17-2006, 12:55 AM
Well, if you do not have the harness at all, we would just need see if we can get the empty connector for you.
Go figure my car had to be born the lone freak of nature just like her daddy...
Wonder if bitching at Chrysler would do any good. They would question why I took the A-Pillar apart and how they are somehow obligated to provide a part that was not necessary to its production function, I am sure.
Ted@AllUSA
09-17-2006, 05:41 AM
..............If you guys have a sec, please take a look at the "corrected" pics to make sure I didn't screw things up even further........
Looks good to go!
:yes:
mnunes
09-17-2006, 10:51 AM
Looks good to go!
:yes:
Looks good to me.. Your ready to go...
Thanks guys!
mnunes
09-19-2006, 12:05 AM
It works! Woo hoo! :)
Post 174 (http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=346691&postcount=174) has been updated with the rest of the installation and some more pics for those who have never removed the glove box or the a-pillar cover.
Thanks to all who helped on this one!
Hemiready
09-19-2006, 12:16 PM
I've gone back and re-wired my a-pillar connector (hopefully correctly this time) and updated the pics in post #174.
http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=346691&postcount=174
Many thanks to Jerry M., Ted, and Hemiready for spotting my potentially costly mistakes.
If you guys have a sec, please take a look at the "corrected" pics to make sure I didn't screw things up even further. :)
The telematics module and mirror harness are supposed to arrive on Monday so hopefully I'll be doing the install early this week.
Those guys are the experts. I just spotted their posts:grin: I'll be screwing mine up MUCH worse then you ever could. Can't wait.
Hemiready
09-19-2006, 12:17 PM
It works! Woo hoo! :)
Post 174 (http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=346691&postcount=174) has been updated with the rest of the installation and some more pics for those who have never removed the glove box or the a-pillar cover.
Thanks to all who helped on this one!
That's great man. Congratulations.
425hp
09-19-2006, 01:17 PM
This is in the works as well, do not have a time table yet, as this is a bit more complex.
I am interested in this mod also Jeff.
C.
Silver SRT-8
Jerry m.
09-19-2006, 06:22 PM
It works! Woo hoo! :)
Post 174 (http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=346691&postcount=174) has been updated with the rest of the installation and some more pics for those who have never removed the glove box or the a-pillar cover.
Thanks to all who helped on this one!
Glad to hear everything works... :rockon:
HKLEVI
09-19-2006, 07:43 PM
It works! Woo hoo! :)
Post 174 (http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=346691&postcount=174) has been updated with the rest of the installation and some more pics for those who have never removed the glove box or the a-pillar cover.
Thanks to all who helped on this one!
Congrats Mike! I'm envious that is till I get mine....
sayox2
09-19-2006, 10:05 PM
After reading many pages of this post, someone please tell me if I have this right.....
I need to pull the driver side A pillar to check for a mutli pin (13-20 pin) unused connector. If I have it, then I need to pull the glove box out and check for another connector with the same amount of pins. I then need a module purchased to plug into the connector behind the glove box and reinstall the glove box. Then I purchase the u-connect/dimming mirror with wire connector to plug into the connector in the driver side pillar and run the wiring up to the mirrow underneath the roof liner. Is this right? Do I need to pull both A-pillars?
I have a TorRed Daytona. That leads me to believe that it was produced in the time frame that would include the correct harness alrady installed. I need a more orderly direction than the bits and pieces I have comprehended on this thread. Please spell it out to me either on here as a reply or PM me please.
Thanks a ton,
Scott
sayox2
09-19-2006, 10:27 PM
I have now read the awesome step by step directions on the install. I think my new questions are.....
If I have the right connectors, I can skip the routing of the "jet" harness and simply remove the glove box to install the module ( I think a good velcro attachment might rattle less than tie wraps) and then remove the driver side a-pillar to continue the mirror wiring.
So-does the u-connect system , after flashing, work without the NAV system? I have steering wheel controls in my Daytona for the stereo, and I have EVIC. I am just not sure if I have a "behind the stereo" plug in / hook-up" similar to the NAV plug change that was shown in the picture instructions in the earlier post.
I need help ....
mnunes
09-19-2006, 11:39 PM
I have now read the awesome step by step directions on the install. I think my new questions are.....
If I have the right connectors, I can skip the routing of the "jet" harness and simply remove the glove box to install the module ( I think a good velcro attachment might rattle less than tie wraps) and then remove the driver side a-pillar to continue the mirror wiring.
Correct, the jet harness is not necessary if you have the correct a-pillar connectors. You would just need to install the module (glove box), mirror, and mirror harness. I wish I had thought of velcro. If it rattles, I'll probably go that route.
So-does the u-connect system , after flashing, work without the NAV system? I have steering wheel controls in my Daytona for the stereo, and I have EVIC. I am just not sure if I have a "behind the stereo" plug in / hook-up" similar to the NAV plug change that was shown in the picture instructions in the earlier post.
I need help ....
I don't believe the nav system is a requirement. For that matter, flashing is not a requirement, either. The only user interface I've used (well, it's only been today really) is the pair of buttons on the mirror. I haven't tried the steering wheel controls (not that I'd know what to press - still need to track down some user instructions). I think flashing is only required for the EVIC to work.
sayox2
09-20-2006, 08:01 AM
I haven't tried the steering wheel controls (not that I'd know what to press - still need to track down some user instructions). I think flashing is only required for the EVIC to work....
mnunes, if you get any info about the steering wheel controls please share:0
Also, will the music on the stereo stop and allow you to take a call without doing the hookup with a harness to stereo like the instructions posted on thread 174? I really want to pursue the mod but want all my facts straight before starting it. I actually wanted the auto dimming mirror first and now see that I can have u-connect as well!!!
What relationship does EVIC have with the u-connect? Isn't EVIC the electronic system for diagnostic features that is displayed on out dash? Please help me understand. I feel dumb.....
mnunes
09-20-2006, 09:12 AM
sayox,
The connection to the radio is essential to get the integration of u-connect to work. It mutes the radio/cd and uses the speakers for the telephone conversation (the microphone is in the rearview mirror but there's no speaker there).
The EVIC will act as a display for the u-connect. From a post I read over on lxforums, the EVIC will show: the number dialed or the caller ID for incoming calls, call duration, signal strength, battery strength, and whether there is an active phone connected. What I've been able to glean so far indicates that a non-NAV radio will display similar info.
HemiChemi
09-20-2006, 09:14 AM
sayox,
The connection to the radio is essential to get the integration of u-connect to work. It mutes the radio/cd and uses the speakers for the telephone conversation (the microphone is in the rearview mirror but there's no speaker there).
The EVIC will act as a display for the u-connect. From a post I read over on lxforums, the EVIC will show: the number dialed or the caller ID for incoming calls, call duration, signal strength, battery strength, and whether there is an active phone connected. What I've been able to glean so far indicates that a non-NAV radio will display similar info.It does on my 6-disk (RAK) radio... :)
HKLEVI
09-20-2006, 09:28 AM
sayox,
The connection to the radio is essential to get the integration of u-connect to work. It mutes the radio/cd and uses the speakers for the telephone conversation (the microphone is in the rearview mirror but there's no speaker there).
The EVIC will act as a display for the u-connect. From a post I read over on lxforums, the EVIC will show: the number dialed or the caller ID for incoming calls, call duration, signal strength, battery strength, and whether there is an active phone connected. What I've been able to glean so far indicates that a non-NAV radio will display similar info.
Mike, what kind of deck do you have in your car? I'm curious if you have a 6 disc and if you get the display on your radio.
HemiChemi
09-20-2006, 09:35 AM
Mike, what kind of deck do you have in your car? I'm curious if you have a 6 disc and if you get the display on your radio.
It does on my 6-disk (RAK) radio... :)
HKLEVI
09-20-2006, 10:01 AM
It does on my 6-disk (RAK) radio... :)
WOOHOO!!! That's what I wanted to hear. Now I just need to pry $324 from the wife and order it! My b-day IS just around the cornner.....:ninja:
425hp
09-20-2006, 10:05 AM
WOOHOO!!! That's what I wanted to hear. Now I just need to pry $324 from the wife and order it! My b-day IS just around the cornner.....:ninja:
I think there is one for sale on ebay. I will try to find the link. Found it. You can make a "best offer" on it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-Charger-Hemi-OEM-6-Disc-CD-Changer-Radio-MP3-WMA-RT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ38641QQihZ019QQitemZ 8077350553
C.
Silver SRT-8
hazzard79
09-20-2006, 10:18 AM
I checked my A pillar and glove box this weekend and I'm good to go! I can't wait just need to save a little cash. Thanks for the perfect instructions, mnunes.
HKLEVI
09-20-2006, 10:40 AM
I think there is one for sale on ebay. I will try to find the link. Found it. You can make a "best offer" on it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-Charger-Hemi-OEM-6-Disc-CD-Changer-Radio-MP3-WMA-RT_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ38641QQihZ019QQitemZ 8077350553
C.
Silver SRT-8
Thanks! I'll have to wait til I get home as I can't access ebay from work, it's filtered out of the network.
sayox2
09-20-2006, 01:41 PM
So how does one with a regualr 6 disk system, correct wiring harness, wire the u-connect to the stereo to hear it on the speakers? Is that already existing WITH the correct harness? I am assuming so but still need that question answered.
Ted@AllUSA
09-20-2006, 02:01 PM
Once the parts are installed, it is an existing condition with the radio. The PCM flash is really for the EVIC display.
sayox2
09-20-2006, 02:35 PM
OK awesome. So where is the best price on the module, mirror and mirror harness.
Ted@AllUSA
09-20-2006, 02:41 PM
OK awesome. So where is the best price on the module, mirror and mirror harness.
I might be a little biased, but here is the best place to ourchase these.
http://www.moparsupercenter.com/Products/part_detail_2255_286743.html
1LAPSRT
09-20-2006, 05:19 PM
I might be a little biased, but here is the best place to ourchase these.
http://www.moparsupercenter.com/Products/part_detail_2255_286743.html
Being biased is OK.....especially since you are right ! ! ! :grin:
easyemale
09-20-2006, 05:56 PM
I'm trying to find someone to install this for me in the Philly area. I tried the dealer and they don't even think this exists.
titan
09-20-2006, 10:15 PM
Because it doesn't. The guys had to make the Jet Harness themselves out of 3 existing harnesses and a lot of wiring. Then MSC teamed up with them and started selling the entire kits.
mnunes
09-20-2006, 11:04 PM
Mike, what kind of deck do you have in your car? I'm curious if you have a 6 disc and if you get the display on your radio.
I have the factory NAV system REC (nav + 6cd + am/fm). I just go the info on the other radio stuff from lxforums and some other posts I tracked down.
Ted@AllUSA
09-21-2006, 03:52 PM
UConnect Install Guides
mnunes Install guide: http://www.moparsupercenter.com/bb/uploads/UConnect_install.pdf
Dealer Starscan Guide: http://www.moparsupercenter.com/bb/uploads/UConnect_Starscan_Instructions.pdf
Hemiready
09-21-2006, 04:28 PM
I'm ordered up Ted. Now, I just have to see if I can make time to install it!
Also, I put an interface on the existing plug on the back of the NAV radio to get RCA jacks for a direct connect to an audio device. I'm wondering if I'm going to be able to piggyback the additional u-connect plug that's going to need to go into the back of the radio onto that connection. Not sure if anyone has done this yet. I might be out of luck
Ted@AllUSA
09-21-2006, 04:34 PM
Hemiready,
If I am reeading your post correctly, sounds like you added a line level convertor with RCA jacks to hook up an aftermarket amp. If that is the case, it should work just fine, as the Jet harness is really just an extension of the factory harness, so your speaker outputs are still the same. Your factory harness along with the line level convertor just plug into the Jet harness, and then the Jet harness plugs into the radio.
Hemiready
09-21-2006, 05:51 PM
Hemiready,
If I am reeading your post correctly, sounds like you added a line level convertor with RCA jacks to hook up an aftermarket amp. If that is the case, it should work just fine, as the Jet harness is really just an extension of the factory harness, so your speaker outputs are still the same. Your factory harness along with the line level convertor just plug into the Jet harness, and then the Jet harness plugs into the radio.
Uh yeah. That sounds right. It's a convertor to which I attached an aftermarket Sirius radio that now is a direct connect to the Nav. I figured everything would just piggyback along and I'm actually mroe concerned about how far from the back of the radio all these connectors will protrude - if there's enough room back there to button everything back up! Should be fine I'm sure.
Shep151
09-22-2006, 02:26 AM
I got my kit in the mail today. I installed it tonight in roughly an hour but I didn't need the Jet harness so it made the install a breeze. The toughest thing is mounting the module behind the glove box. I had to sit in the seat backwards and lay down to do it. Started the car and everything worked great.
Hemiready
09-22-2006, 06:21 AM
I got my kit in the mail today. I installed it tonight in roughly an hour but I didn't need the Jet harness so it made the install a breeze. The toughest thing is mounting the module behind the glove box. I had to sit in the seat backwards and lay down to do it. Started the car and everything worked great.
nice. I'll give myself about three hours then! Can't wait. I'm using one of those little earpiece things to go handsfree and I hate them
Shep151
09-25-2006, 08:57 PM
Hey did anybody else notice the backlighting of the buttons in the mirror does not go dim or brighten with the rest of the interior lights when you adjust the knob? Maybe it'll only work once the dealer enables the EVIC?
1LAPSRT
09-26-2006, 08:29 AM
Hey did anybody else notice the backlighting of the buttons in the mirror does not go dim or brighten with the rest of the interior lights when you adjust the knob? Maybe it'll only work once the dealer enables the EVIC?
Or you might need to try the electrical tape mod if that doesn't work. :grin:
mnunes
09-26-2006, 09:15 AM
I just had the car at the dealer yesterday and they programmed the EVIC to recognize it. Will have to try to remember to check tonight to see if the lights dim with the dash lights (I usually have them on the highest dim setting so I didn't notice already).
Shep151
09-26-2006, 04:52 PM
Or you might need to try the electrical tape mod if that doesn't work. :grin:
Lol, don't think I need that. Doesn't really bother me, just something I noticed and was wondering about.
Hemiready
09-26-2006, 08:53 PM
My U-connect set-up arrived. Now, all I need is a few peaceful hours to install! First though I have to do the washing machine mod - as in our washing machine broke and I have it in peices on the basement floor.
mnunes
09-26-2006, 11:50 PM
Update: the rearview mirror lights do not dim when dash board lighting is turned down, even after the EVIC is programmed. :(
1LAPSRT
09-27-2006, 08:06 AM
My U-connect set-up arrived. Now, all I need is a few peaceful hours to install! First though I have to do the washing machine mod - as in our washing machine broke and I have it in peices on the basement floor.
It only took me about 15 minutes for the whole installation and I did it in a suit & tie while on lunch break in the parking lot at work. Only tool needed was a #15 torx for the mirror bracket on the windshield and to loosen the visor on the drivers side and a couple zip ties on the module behind the glove box. Just slide the wiring into the headliner after lossening the screws on the visor.
Of course if you need the additional wiring harness in the dash you are probably right about the "few peaceful hours".
nacnack
09-27-2006, 09:25 AM
For the love of "God" and I mean that sincerely, has anyone tried to connect a U-Connect to an aftermarket radio? I'm told it will work here but I haven't read anywhere on here where someone has actually connected an aftermarket radio up yet and I know I'm not the only person with an aftermarket radio in this forum. The dealer tells me it's impossible because the u-connect module sends the voice signal to the radio to get reprocessed and if you don't have one of the stock radios well then you hosed.
Is he pulling my fuse here?
Hemiready
09-27-2006, 04:31 PM
It only took me about 15 minutes for the whole installation and I did it in a suit & tie while on lunch break in the parking lot at work. Only tool needed was a #15 torx for the mirror bracket on the windshield and to loosen the visor on the drivers side and a couple zip ties on the module behind the glove box. Just slide the wiring into the headliner after lossening the screws on the visor.
Of course if you need the additional wiring harness in the dash you are probably right about the "few peaceful hours".
Of course I need them! Why should it be easy?
Ted@AllUSA
09-27-2006, 04:41 PM
Update: the rearview mirror lights do not dim when dash board lighting is turned down, even after the EVIC is programmed. :(
Just took a look at the wiring diagrams and there is not a light circuit in the mix. So apparently this is how the factory sytem works as well.
osr828
09-27-2006, 08:08 PM
hey, guys i just got my car back from the dealer today. I had the factory u connect installed at the dealer(valencia dodge in california)for $264 dlrs. the parts cost me $314 dlr plus $70 dlrs for the jet harness that i didnot need. the system is great well worth the upgrade. If anyone in southern california want to install I suggest that you guys give michelle wells service advisor a call and have monty the mechanic install it for you. i drove 45 minutes just to have them do it. monty had no instructions on how to install but was cool enough to talk to will on the phone from mopar superstore to solve the problem. mopar didnot send a diagram so they did it over the phone. In my book thats is pretty cool from both parties. Hey will and jeff i love you guys,I have never had this much fun ordering parts for any car. so thanks again if you are reading the forum.
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