Orange Peel Paint

[Penroof28]

Anyone else with black paint have severe orange peel in the paint finish? Don't get me wrong, I love the car (R/T with R/T), but the paint job is not all that great on my car, and I am wondering if others have the same problem. Thanks.

[lordkevork]

Yup.. Very few manufacturers have no orange peel in the paint. I wet sanded my last black vehicle.

[Penroof28]

My concern with any sanding on this car is that the problem is in the base coat, rather than the clear coat. Oh well, it's still a great car!

[Racer X]

Anyone else with black paint have severe orange peel in the paint finish? Don't get me wrong, I love the car (R/T with R/T), but the paint job is not all that great on my car, and I am wondering if others have the same problem. Thanks.

What is "orange peel"?

[Of The Moonlight]

i would assume that would be covered under warrenty. i'd take the car in and see.

as for what is orange peel, hopefully this helps http://www.generalpaint.biz/refinish/orange.html

[Racer X]

http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=16912

I undertsand now. Thanks. Boy that sucks. Warranty should cover that. Keep us updated.

[lordkevork]

Problem is more then likely in the clear. being in the automotive business I never trusted any dealers. I've had cars come in my shops where they burned through the paint trying to rub it out. Not that every dealer is terrible but make sure you know them good and can trust them. I seem to have problems every time I deal with them. Hopefully you have better luck.

[Penroof28]

I may take it to a paint specialist before the dealer to determine if it can be buffed out. It probably happened because the car was built in the August heat and humidity. Most people would not notice it, except that it tends to dull the shine when viewed from certain angles.

[Racer X]

So I went outside and noticed an orange peal effect as well at certain angles. So I went and looked at the wife's silver MDX and noticed the same as well. It was not bad but still noticable if you really look for it.

[beezn]

looks more like cellulite than an orange peel to me.

Edit: I really hope thats covered in the warranty

[Potsie]

looks more like cellulite than an orange peel to me.

Edit: I really hope thats covered in the warranty

Maybe if you lose the cellulite it will go faster!!!!

[lordkevork]

When I was at the dealer today having my VES installed that thy owed me I was looking around and every new car I seen had bad orange peel. This is the only negative I can give the car so far but atleast they are consistant with the sh*tty paint. It can be color sanded though and some dealers will do this for you if you whine enough.

[Hemiready]

Got the peel bad on my black car. Looks like a Tropicana Grove. Usually I'm more picky but I've seen it on almost every car in the price range to varying degrees. Black seems to be more noticable. My dark green Ford Escape had it pretty bad. My wife's minivan in gray has it bad it's harder to spot.

I'm not even thinking about letting the dealer touch it. Short of a whole repaint I can only envision bad things coming from messing with it.

[sniper226]

I don't think I would ever trust a dealer to handle an orange peel paint repair. Most likely will come back with a spiderweb scratched finish when the "polish" her off with the orbiter. If you want to pursue, make sure the dealer uses a specialist.

[Hemiready]

Hey Lodkevork:
Can you give me more info on what would need to be done if I really wanted to have a pro take care of the peel?
I'm assuming that you have to get thorugh the clear coat to get to the actaul colored material that I'm also guessing is the problem. Would they then have to recoat it?
I'll live with this but if some money can be thrown at the probelm and I can be a happier boy I just might do it!
My car has it bad but like you said, at least they are consistent.

[Penroof28]

Hemiready,

My paint is just as bad. However, as long as the paint on these cars is consistently bad, I am OK with it. Actually, I had forgotten about it until I saw your post. My view is that, in the unlikely event I keep this car for 35 years, it's best not to mess with what came from the factory. Original paint (even if it's bad) is always best at auction!

[Hemiready]

Me too. I don't see myself making this a collectible as I'm going to ride the wheels off of it!

[Michigan01]

They must have figured out the problem at the factory. Mine was built in August, and the Black paint is as smooth as glass. I have a buddy who inspects paint at a GM plant, and he was shocked by the quality of the finish. However, now he is mad that he can't buy a black one. Doesn't want to be the second guy on the block with one!

[Awesome]

Just last week I had my black RT wet sanded and buffed. 37 hours of labor at a custom paint shop to remove the orange peel on my car. As you can imagine expensive, although well worth the effort and dollars. The car looks like glass now, you can read a newspaper in it.

[Penroof28]

Awesome,

That is . . . well, awesome! Was the cost more than $500, and does it look that much better? Thanks.

[Awesome]

Awesome,

That is . . . well, awesome! Was the cost more than $500, and does it look that much better? Thanks.


$990 YIKES .... but now it looks like a custom paint job...Like looking at water..... The metalic chips are so much more pronounced

[Hemiready]

Awesome:
Did this process leave a lot of scratches in the finsih?
I live in NY and would actually consider going to your body shop if the results were that good!
What are the chances your guy knows someone in LI he trusts!

[Awesome]

Awesome:
Did this process leave a lot of scratches in the finsih?
I live in NY and would actually consider going to your body shop if the results were that good!
What are the chances your guy knows someone in LI he trusts!

Not at all... I was concerned about that before I brought my car there but they assured me not to worry. Bottom line no scratches smooth as a baby's butt. They specialize in custom painting, classic restoration and of course typical collision repairs. The firm is called FCR and they are located in Weymouth, MA. 781-991-0113. They also did the tailight tinting, spoiler painting and install on my Charger a few weeks ago. Window tinting tomorrow..... Ask for Rob :happy:

[Hemiready]

Not at all... I was concerned about that before I brought my car there but they assured me not to worry. Bottom line no scratches smooth as a baby's butt. They specialize in custom painting, classic restoration and of course typical collision repairs. The firm is called FCR and they are located in Weymouth, MA. 781-991-0113. They also did the tailight tinting, spoiler painting and install on my Charger a few weeks ago. Window tinting tomorrow..... Ask for Rob :happy:
I wish I lived near there. I may call anyway.
I also noticed the front fascia of the car really doesn't match the body but I'm not suprised!

[Hemiready]

Awesome:
Brought teh car in today for something unrelated. I mentioned the orange peel to the service rep.
She actaully said she could see it instead of blowing me off and she claims she will have the area rep call me. Hopefully he does and I will see if Dodge will get involved. If they do, I'll let you know. Maybe we cna get back some of your $900 bucks!
(We will finish what the factory started!)

[miamiyogi]

When I was at the dealer today having my VES installed that thy owed me I was looking around and every new car I seen had bad orange peel. .

Are you sure the problem is with the paint? Since you saw that every new car at this particular dealer had orange peel, perhaps the detailer they employ is doing some very nasty things with wax. I have seen many black cars ruined by 'professional' detailers that ended with a wet sanding for correction.

My dealer (if you notice my posts I dont have a high opinion of them) damaged the paint near the fuel tank trying to buff out a minor scratch. I corrected it myself with rubbing compund, and a polish. I do NOT suggest this for anyone unless you know what you are doing and have a high degree of paitence and time.

[jamie]

i have orange peel as well. can really tell it on the trunk lid.

[Awesome]

i have orange peel as well. can really tell it on the trunk lid.

It's real and it sure is a problem with quality control :sad:

[miamiyogi]

It's real and it sure is a problem with quality control :sad:


I dont doubt the orange peel is real. I am asking are you sure its a defective paint problem and not something that was introduced by bad detailing afterward. I have had a black car develop orange peel after a trip to the detailer that didnt come out until i had it sanded.

[Awesome]

I dont doubt the orange peel is real. I am asking are you sure its a defective paint problem and not something that was introduced by bad detailing afterward. I have had a black car develop orange peel after a trip to the detailer that didnt come out until i had it sanded.

It is a defective paint and or application process. Several people have posted this issue from time to time all without a trip to the detailer. It seems to be more noticable on black....

[miamiyogi]

It is a defective paint and or application process. Several people have posted this issue from time to time all without a trip to the detailer. It seems to be more noticable on black....

WOW because of this thread I learned a lot! I took some time last night to do some research on what exactly causes orange peel. In my former posts I had assumed the problem was reflective in the clear coat, but apparently this is something you can actually feel. I am afraid I didnt find good answers for you (everything seems to pint to wet sanding). But I did find find some causes and while it wont help you (sorry). I will try to correct my thinking:

Sources of orange peel according to Sherwin Williams:


Use proper reduction ratio and spray at recommended air pressure.

Select recommended thinner/reducer based on temperature, humidity, air movement, and size of repair.

Avoid heavy coats and excessive film thickness.

Use recommended spray gun, fluid tip and air cap for the material being sprayed. Always adjust the gun for best atomization and balanced spray pattern before paint application.

During paint application, hold the gun perpendicular and parallel to the surface. Adjust speed of pass, pattern overlap, and distance from the panel to achieve the desired appearance.


I know thats directed at the body shop painter, but we can infer what happened at the plant with your car.

I will suggest though, if the delaer doesnt give you the answer you want, tell them you want to speak to the regional manufacturers rep. I did get a Ford repainted at 25% cost when it was past warranty going that route. Since you are in warranty your results surely should be better. Good luck to you.

[miamiyogi]

http://www.sherwin-automotive.com/reference/troubleshooting_guide/orange_peel/index.cfm

Y'all can check it out if you want.

The first correction was polish, which I did suggest in an earlier post...but by God, Have a pro do it....the potential for screw up is HUGE!