Petition for Mopar CNC Head Group Buy

[Ted@MPSC]

I am starting this thread as a petition to Mopar to offer up a discount promo on a volume purchase. I did this with the Mopar Performance Long Tube Headers, and now we would like to do this with these cylinder heads. When we put together the volume purchase with the headers, we went to the table with at least 10 people confirmed to purchase. They offered us a pricing structure that allowed us to ship the headers for $999.00. This is an excellent way to generate future sales by getting the products out on the street in many cars. It builds product awareness, and if Mopar wants to sell more, they need more word of mouth advertising. So the volume purchase can be a lucrative deal to Mopar, the vendors, and the consumers who participate.

I have already contacted Mopar, they are interested, and they will work out something for us. I do not know what they will do yet, but I know they will bring something to the table. In the mean time, let's get a list of people who would be seriously interested in purchasing these heads if Mopar offers up a discount. I will gather the information across several forums to get more exposure to help build the list.



CNC Ported Heads for 5.7L HEMI Engines.
Now you can increase engine performance on 5.7L Hemi engines with these new hard-core heads available from Mopar Performance. New CNC Ported Hemi heads offer significant increase in air flow and are ready to bolt-on right out of the box.

FEATURES/BENEFITS

5.7L HEMI CNC-Ported Cylinder Head Assemblies
· Brand new factory fresh castings (no core required)
· 5 Axis CNC Ported for superior airflow
· “Beehive” style competition valve springs
· One=piece stainless steel 2.055” intake and 1.600” exhaust valves
· Titanium 7 – degree valve spring retainers
· Machined 7 – degree round groove valve locks
· High-temperature Viton valve seals
· Bronze alloy valve guides
· Hardened custom valve seats
· Premium 5-angle CNC-Machined valve job

Mopar List Price $1599.00 ea. MPSC Price $1358.50 ea. Total for both cylinder heads $2717.00

http://www.moparsupercenter.com/bb/uploads/5.7HEADS.jpg

Petition List

Ted@MPSC
1maniac
RapidTransit
jazzy69
bearmandog
kenm
PaulPaladin
priest79
Scottwoos06RT
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Let's get the list growing people, we want a deal!!!
Please post that you would like to be added to the list if you are willing to make this purchase at a discounted price, lower than our advertised price.

[Charger R/T]

Build a 5.7 Hemi with these heads installed, Dyno it, print the sheets and then we will talk.:D

[1maniac]

Sign me up!!!

[Ted@MPSC]

Build a 5.7 Hemi with these heads installed, Dyno it, print the sheets and then we will talk.:D

This is being done in an upcoming crate motor release!

[RapidTransit]

Count me in!!

[Charger R/T]

I am starting this thread as a petition to Mopar to offer up a discount promo on a volume purchase. I did this with the Mopar Performance Long Tube Headers, and now we would like to do this with these cylinder heads. When we put together the volume purchase with the headers, we went to the table with at least 10 people confirmed to purchase. They offered us a pricing structure that allowed us to ship the headers for $999.00. This is an excellent way to generate future sales by getting the products out on the street in many cars. It builds product awareness, and if Mopar wants to sell more, they need more word of mouth advertising. So the volume purchase can be a lucrative deal to Mopar, the vendors, and the consumers who participate.

I have already contacted Mopar, they are interested, and they will work out something for us. I do not know what they will do yet, but I know they will bring something to the table. In the mean time, let's get a list of people who would be seriously interested in purchasing these heads if Mopar offers up a discount. I will gather the information across several forums to get more exposure to help build the list.



CNC Ported Heads for 5.7L HEMI Engines.
Now you can increase engine performance on 5.7L Hemi engines with these new hard-core heads available from Mopar Performance. New CNC Ported Hemi heads offer significant increase in air flow and are ready to bolt-on right out of the box.

FEATURES/BENEFITS

5.7L HEMI CNC-Ported Cylinder Head Assemblies
· Brand new factory fresh castings (no core required)
· 5 Axis CNC Ported for superior airflow
· “Beehive” style competition valve springs
· One=piece stainless steel 2.055” intake and 1.600” exhaust valves
· Titanium 7 – degree valve spring retainers
· Machined 7 – degree round groove valve locks
· High-temperature Viton valve seals
· Bronze alloy valve guides
· Hardened custom valve seats
· Premium 5-angle CNC-Machined valve job

Mopar List Price $1599.00 ea. MPSC Price $1358.50 ea.

http://www.moparsupercenter.com/bb/uploads/5.7HEADS.jpg

Petition List

Ted@MPSC
1maniac
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Let's get the list growing people, we want a deal!!!
Please post that you would like to be added to the list if you are willing to make this purchase at a discounted price, lower than our advertised price.
Thats $2717.00 per set plus gaskets correct?

[falchulk]

Build a 5.7 Hemi with these heads installed, Dyno it, print the sheets and then we will talk.:D


Thats what bothers me, we have all these parts but no numbers to see if they make a real diffrence.

[Ted@MPSC]

Thats $2717.00 per set plus gaskets correct?

That is correct, at least until we get a reduced price from Mopar using this petition thread.

[jazzy69]

Please add me to the group buy list. I'm in 100%.

Ted, please put together an installation package too. (ie. head gaskets, intake/exhaust/valve cover gaskets, new head bolts) I personally won't reuse head bolts and they seem to be hard to find for this application.

[Ted@MPSC]

jazzy69,

I will do that, once we receive word from Mopar on what they are doing, I will put together a complete install kit to go along with the heads including head bolts. I would not reuse head bolts either, especially if you are trying to put more power through the engine.

[Ted@MPSC]

The install kit looks like it would be $150.00, including the head bolts.

[bearmandog]

Ted and Jeff; I'm in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jazzy69]

The install kit looks like it would be $150.00, including the head bolts.
Perfect. Thanks for staying on top of this.

[PaulPaladin]

I'm in.

Also want the Mopar Cam and upgraded PCM. And will bring it to Charleston for you guys to install.

[priest79]

i am in just let me know when u guys are ready

[jazzy69]

It looks like 8 people are in so far. Does this include people from lxforums too? I would be quiet upset if we are just 2 (or so) short.

[Ted@MPSC]

Yes, it includes lxforums and 300cforums. I wanted to post this on dodgeforum and dodgetalk, but we are not supporting vendors there. I didn't want to get my hands slapped, but these will fit the Ram trucks as well if anyone wants to spread the word.

[crhemi]

Need dyno #'s before I commit!

[jazzy69]

Need dyno #'s before I commit!
Group buys don't wait for people with commitment issues. Heads and cam are always the best way to wake up a car. If you choose to wait, then you will be paying full price.

[PaulPaladin]

Ted - have you worked up an install price yet?

[Scottwoos06RT]

I would sure like to be part of this too......w/install kit

[Ted@MPSC]

Mopar has supplied us with the Flow Graphs for these CNC Cylinder Heads.

http://www.moparsupercenter.com/bb/uploads/DA4_CNC_INT_FLOW.jpg

http://www.moparsupercenter.com/bb/uploads/CNC_EXH_FLOW.jpg

http://www.moparsupercenter.com/bb/uploads/CNC_FLOW_NUMBERS.jpg

[Ted@MPSC]

list updated

[Scottwoos06RT]

That seems like fairly significant increase is it not?

[Ted@MPSC]

Yes, this is very significant gains. Mopar heads are known for good gains in the exhaust by porting and polishing, but these exhibit excellent gains in the intake ports as well. I am honestly happy with these flow numbers, as This will really wake up the modifications I have already done. Remember, the engine is really nothing more than an air pump, the better the air flow coming in, and exiting, then the more power it will generate. Now add a high lift camshaft to take advantage of the high flow rates at the higher valve lifts, and then the engine will really produce excellent gains. This is a definite must do for any true performance junkie, such as myself, IMO.

[RapidTransit]

Thanks for the numbers Ted. Are you able to approach Mopar with 9 confirmed buyers? (Yes, I am feeling the need to feed my addiction!):D

[Scottwoos06RT]

(Yes, I am feeling the need to feed my addiction!)

Oh Yeah....I finally picked up my Daytona this afternoon....it had 8 kms on it....it now has 215 Miles and though I "Really" appreciate the car, and I "know" it'll be better after break-in.....I am definately ordering up these heads....and the crank and the cam and the headers and the intakes and........

[JasonB]

why are these so much? I can get port/polished heads for 1800 for BOTH heads......

what is special about mopar that they are worth an extra 1000?
Maby you guys should do a core exchange and drop it by 1000 for the old cores.. then I would be in... but an extra 1000 and then a set of old heads I have no use for... not cool lol.

Also, where are the dynos? its not hard to put them on a stock 5.7 and show some change..........it does actually change your hp right?

[Ted@MPSC]

Sorry, Mopar does not offer a core exchange with these cylinder heads.

[falchulk]

Sorry, Mopar does not offer a core exchange with these cylinder heads.


Fine, what about HP numbers? You guys cant get a hold of some and get these to us? If the numbers were made public (and they were decent) I would be in in a heart beat. The truth is, if they are not good, the people that get in on this are going to be pretty angry customers.

[Ted@MPSC]

Ok, this is in Mopars hands right now. I have taken to the table the list of people in this thread, and they are looking at the camshaft as well for volume discount purchase. I should know more soon, and I will post this info as soon as I receive it.

[RapidTransit]

Thanks for the update Ted. Are you aware of whether there is any tuning/flashing that comes with the cam?

RT

[kalbc]

Thanks for the update Ted. Are you aware of whether there is any tuning/flashing that comes with the cam?

RT
We have heard a little news regarding the upcoming release of a new product for the LX 5.7L's. A new cam and lifters package with a new computer program thats works completely seamlessly with the MDS system and provides a 30+HP increase. That is a sweet increase from 345HP to 375+HP for the 5.7L owners not to mention the additional items. As we recieve more information we will update this thread.

[Scottwoos06RT]

Have we heard what the upgraded PCM/TCM's are going to run? I've heard that there are going to be a couple of cam options? Can anyone confirm? I "assume" that the PCM/TCM will come calibrated (Flashed) to the set up spec'd or is this going to be a "blank" that has to get flashed from a dealer?

[RapidTransit]

Thanks Bud--

I suppose I meant to ask a different question...The following list posted by Ted indicates that Mopar is coming out with PCM and TCM upgrades.

5.7L HEMI performance camshaft
5.7L HEMI non-MDS lifters
5.7L HEMI performance PCM (Powertrain control module)
5.7L HEMI performance TCM (transmission control module)
5.7L HEMI performance Torque converter (suggested for improved launch and low end torque only)
5.7L HEMI performance CAI
5.7L HEMI performance long tube headers w/Hi-Flo cat's
5.7L HEMI performance Cat-Back exhaust
Platinum Spark Plugs

Are those PCM/TCM upgrades specifically for the cam, or are they in addition to the cam and the cam specific tune? If separate, will they work together?

[Ted@MPSC]

The PCM & TCM are calibrated for this camshaft specifically. The TCM is really just for improved shift points and transmission controls to help the drivetrain take advantage of the new camshaft profile. The Torque converter is only relly designed for improved low end torque and launching, such as at a drag strip.

[Scottwoos06RT]

SO....the PCM/TCM upgrade is for the upgraded cam....Can you run this camw/out the new lifters....I kinda want to keep the MDS operational....so the cam and no lifters w/the PCM/TCM....

Does this work?

[Ted@MPSC]

No, This camshaft cannot be run without changing the MDS lifters. The higher cam lobe profile will force the MDS system to still slightly open the valves as the lifter bottoms out. The MDS lifter will only allow up to a specific lift point before the internals of the lifter bottom out. So what will happen as the 4 mds cylinders will continue to get fuel when MDS is on. I am not exactly sure what the consequences of this would be, but I think it may cause the engine to stumble, or at least the lifters to collapse and become useless.

The camshaft can be used without the TCM with no problems, as the TCM is for the transmission. The PCM on the other hand, I would not advise the camshaft without this. You may experience some problems with the factory PCM trying to keep up, or tune down with the new camshaft. T

[Scottwoos06RT]

SO....If you want the performance of the Heads you will need to get the cam to get the most outta the heads, AND because the heads are what they are you have to get the cam else you defeating purpose of the heads which means you have to have the lifters and sacrifice the MDS......whooo , what a mouthful. So is this correct:knockout: :knockout:

[JasonB]

How about comming out with a total heads+cam setup with mds compatable lifters so we can stuff it all in the engine at once and be done with it:)

[1maniac]

How about comming out with a total heads+cam setup with mds compatable lifters so we can stuff it all in the engine at once and be done with it:)


Yes, I am also interest in a complete package price for...

Heads and installation package
5.7L HEMI performance camshaft
5.7L HEMI non-MDS lifters
5.7L HEMI performance PCM

and

Heads and installation package
5.7L HEMI performance camshaft
5.7L HEMI non-MDS lifters
5.7L HEMI performance PCM
5.7L HEMI performance TCM

I would also love to hear an estimate on hp increase for the complete packages.

[Scottwoos06RT]

Boy, sure hope Dodge is paying attention to this thread.....I figure theres got to be 70-100k worth of purchasing here just with the few that have responded.....????

[JasonB]

Yup, I got 18k in my car fund for this summer and I plan to use a lot of it........

[jazzy69]

Any updates on this Group Buy? I have been holding off other mods waiting for this GB. So I won't be a happy camper if it fizzles without warning.

[Ted@MPSC]

Mopar is working on a discount structure for the heads and camshafts. We are trying to put to gether a complete buy program, without the TCM and PCM, as these will most likely be available in late August.

[RapidTransit]

Thanks Ted,

I thought the PCM was necessary for the cam upgrade? Also, aren't there two camshafts coming out for the 5.7? Have you heard anymore details about how the cam w/MDS lifters works (on an earlier post you mentioned that the 4 deactivated cylinders may still be getting fuel)?

RT

[Ted@MPSC]

Ok, there are two camshaft kits available for the 5.7L HEMI engines from Mopar. 1 kit is for MDS HEMI's, it includes lifters to deactivate the MDS system. The other kit does not include lifters, and is for non-MDS HEMI's. It is not advisable to use this camshaft with the factory MDS lifters, as this will cause problems. One problem is that the MDS lifters will bottom out, and could effectively leave them collapsed. Do not mistake any of my posts in thinking that you can still have MDS with this camshaft upgrade. Now the camshaft upgrade will need the PCM when it is available, and I only advise on installing the camshaft when you have the PCM as well. I do not know what, or how the current stock PCM will or will not do with the new camshaft. The PCM is under development still and should be available for ordering in late August.

As for the 4 MDS cylinders getting fuel while sut down, yes and no. Yes the system will still attempt to pass fuel to these cylinders, but with the MDS lifters the valve does not open any. Therefore it cannot dump any fuel into the cylinder. Now if you were to add a high lift camshaft and you didn't replace the MDS lifters, you run into the possibility of the lifter bottoming out. This would in turn cause the valves to open slightly, allowing the fuel mixture to enter the cylinder. This will in turn cause your system to run erratically.

[RapidTransit]

Gotcha. MDS deactivation is fine with me. Since adding headers and an exhaust system, I'm not all that crazy about sounding like a 4 banger with a tin can muffler while cruising down the highway anyway.:wink:

RT

[daffin]

Yes, I am also interest in a complete package price for...

Heads and installation package
5.7L HEMI performance camshaft
5.7L HEMI non-MDS lifters
5.7L HEMI performance PCM

and

Heads and installation package
5.7L HEMI performance camshaft
5.7L HEMI non-MDS lifters
5.7L HEMI performance PCM
5.7L HEMI performance TCM

I would also love to hear an estimate on hp increase for the complete packages.


I would be sooooooo divorced.... :)

I'll just have to enjoy these mods vicariously through those with more disposable income :)

[Scottwoos06RT]

Hey Ted ( and others), for what my 2cents is worth.....Its already July.....if we have to wait till aug,sept or even oct, to get the "whole package" ( heads, headers, hi-flow exhaust, PCM/TCM and cam).....well, to me, I want to tear into this thin one time only and it only makes sense to do it all at once both labour and shop cost wise.....point is, I'd be willing to wait, "IF" it means a package of stuff intergrated to work with each other (seamlessly).....and (maybe) get better pricing??????? From what I've seen, "most" of the serious buyers for this stuff on this thread have a couple bucks stashed away for just this purpose and would probably wait to put ALL our dollars together and ALL get the whole thing???????

[Scottwoos06RT]

It's been so long (or has it) that I've seen any activity on this thread that I figured I'd do a post to git it started again. Has Anytone heard anything or am I jkust being "impatient"???
I "really" want a set of these heads AND the cam AND the Module(s).......
Waasss up man????

[infalablejed]

I agree with the whole kit and caboodle concept... I am impatient about mods myself... figure it would be better to get it all at once... ummm... does this also include the divorce lawyer?

[Ted@MPSC]

I spoke to a Mopar Performance representative at the SRT Nationals in Topeka Kansas. This is the right hand man to the big dog that I have been speaking to before. I told him of our delima, and he has asked me to forward our correspondence to him. I have forwarded him the information and he will be working on it immediately. I have not given up hope, and I have not stopped working on this. I should know more information soon. I was told that the 2006 calibrations were done, or almost done, so the modules should be available soon as well.

I know several have jumped over to the other CNC heads thread, but that has not been a deterrent to our attempt on the Mopar CNC heads.

[Scottwoos06RT]

Hey, well now, that is hopefull news. Wouldn't worry bout the no-money "traitors" out there jumping over to the other Heads.....time will tell that without the cam and module, that $1800.00 (???) was a big waste of mooola ( and that's my story and I am stickin to it no matter how badly you beat me with a stick!).
Oh yes, the kit does come with a $1000.00 gift certificate and toll free number for "1-800-you-didwhat" Legal Services, that's good nationwide.

[jazzy69]

I spoke to a Mopar Performance representative at the SRT Nationals in Topeka Kansas. This is the right hand man to the big dog that I have been speaking to before. I told him of our delima, and he has asked me to forward our correspondence to him. I have forwarded him the information and he will be working on it immediately. I have not given up hope, and I have not stopped working on this. I should know more information soon. I was told that the 2006 calibrations were done, or almost done, so the modules should be available soon as well.

I know several have jumped over to the other CNC heads thread, but that has not been a deterrent to our attempt on the Mopar CNC heads.

I am one who hasn't jumped ship. So I really hope this comes through soon. In fact, my timeline of softning up my wife is on schedule for your late August prediction.

[Scottwoos06RT]

Wow, You're gettin' yours to soften up? Mine said "sure...what ever you want, you've worked hard for it and deserve it"....then she went right out and blew $4500.00 on a trip for her and her sister to go back east and visit "Grandma".......I still get stuck with the Kids!!! @%$&#%^%%(#(+@#!!!