5.7L Upcoming Performance upgrade Coming Soon!

[Ted@MPSC]

We have heard a little news regarding the upcoming release of a new product for the LX 5.7L's. A new cam and lifters package with a new computer program thats works completely seamlessly with the MDS system and provides a 30+HP increase. That is a sweet increase from 345HP to 375+HP for the 5.7L owners not to mention the additional items. As we recieve more information we will update this thread.

[falchulk]

The same 375hp that the 07 Daytona is rumored to have? Just might be related......................

[dmrowe]

Ted,
I am definetly in for this one. As long I purchase DCX parts and have them installed by the DCX dealer will they still honor the extended warranty?

[Ted@MPSC]

Ted,
I am definetly in for this one. As long I purchase DCX parts and have them installed by the DCX dealer will they still honor the extended warranty?
Yes, as long as your vehicle does not ever receive a warranty restriction due to the installation of aftermarket parts such as Mopar Performance parts. However, the performance parts, or any damage caused by them would not be covered under warranty. With Mopar Performance parts though, you can feel somewhat more comfortable in the fact that the engineers who designed and built your car are the same one that certify these performance parts. They make sure that the parts work properly with the vehicle and all the sub-systems of the vehicle before they are allowed to release them to the public.

[mechanicjack]

is there a release date? and maby info on pricing?

[Ted@MPSC]

Sorry, not yet.

As more info comes down the line, we will be sure to post it.

[BurntOrange]

I herad romur of this on the lxforums a while back. Guess the romur is over. Wonder it the p/p heads are also going to come true. Full exhuast and these mods would be one bad daytona.

Will the tune that comes with the cams changing anything like shift firmness, timing, etc.

[Ted@MPSC]

Will the tune that comes with the cams changing anything like shift firmness, timing, etc.

Not sure at this time, as soon as we receive our factory supplied proto-type, we will know more information.

[BurntOrange]

These cams full exhuast (CAI, Headers,Catback)we are looking at 400 horses with MDS. Wonder if we will still pull the 20+ miles per gallon. That would be awsome.

[BSUfanatic]

Honestly, this sounds like the best performance mod yet for our 5.7. Those of us that have changed intakes and exhaust will really see benefits from those upgrades. Does anyone care to guess a price? I would think $500 for parts and perhaps about that much more for labor would be a fair price. Is this realistic or am I just wishful thinking?

[dmrowe]

Well Ted, you have certainly got a lot of people yammering about this upgrade and when it will be available. I would venture that this upgrade with all the parts and installation will be in the $2500 range. But well worth it, it will take advantage of all the upgrades some of have added for intake and exhaust and give us very near SC performance. Personally, I will hold off on my project plans for my 1961 Panhead for this...poor old soul.

[NYT]

i would guess 2k or less. if i were a betting man, i would put it at roughly 1800...installed.

[lambo]

Any new news on this yet?

I'm holding off on other mods to see if I should put my money towards this....

[Ted@MPSC]

No, this may be a little while, as engineering has just given it their blessing. Now it is up to production, pricing and distribution to get their end done.

[falchulk]

i would guess 2k or less. if i were a betting man, i would put it at roughly 1800...installed.


That would be one expensive cam upgrade for a v8. It maybe that much if they throw in the cai or something else.

[bob june]

No, this may be a little while, as engineering has just given it their blessing. Now it is up to production, pricing and distribution to get their end done.

Ted, Can you translate that into a timeframe? Are we looking at 6+ mos. or 2-3 months? Any guesstimate you could give would help.

[Yabi]

Yes, like above, an ETA! So I know when to start saving =0)

[Loner]

I'm going to start saving now, in hopes that it is released sooner than later! :grin:

[RapidTransit]

We have heard a little news regarding the upcoming release of a new product for the LX 5.7L's. A new cam and lifters package with a new computer program thats works completely seamlessly with the MDS system and provides a 30+HP increase. That is a sweet increase from 345HP to 375+HP for the 5.7L owners not to mention the additional items. As we recieve more information we will update this thread.

Hey Ted,

Do you have any information about the rumor that Mopar is releasing polished and ported heads for the 5.7? There was word on LX Forums that the heads (P5153344) will retail for $1599.00.

Thanks,
RT

[Ted@MPSC]

We did get a small blurp about those, but we need to find out more specific details. Currently none are available.

[Ted@MPSC]

I will see what kind of time frame I can dig out of them, then I can make a much more informed guess.

[dmrowe]

Hey Ted,

Do you have any information about the rumor that Mopar is releasing polished and ported heads for the 5.7? There was word on LX Forums that the heads (P5153344) will retail for $1599.00.

Thanks,
RT


Well this is just great news. I was hoping for some P&P heads to go with this cam and lifter mod. This should definetly push the 400 HP mark with the headers, cat-back and CAI. Yeah baby, bring'em on.

[lambo]

Quick question, real HP increases from an aftermarket part are typically much less than what the manufacturer claims.

Because this is a MOPAR upgrade, should we expect an actual 30HP increase? Or does the same rule apply where you can usually expect maybe half of what the manufacturer says?

[falchulk]

Quick question, real HP increases from an aftermarket part are typically much less than what the manufacturer claims.

Because this is a MOPAR upgrade, should we expect an actual 30HP increase? Or does the same rule apply where you can usually expect maybe half of what the manufacturer says?


Thats the case with some boltons. With a cam 30 hp is actually on the mild side and very doable.

[Ted@MPSC]

Well, according to the one person I know who has this currently on his car, it had a 30HP increase on the dyno, but I have no documentation to back this up.

[BurntOrange]

Quick question, real HP increases from an aftermarket part are typically much less than what the manufacturer claims.

Because this is a MOPAR upgrade, should we expect an actual 30HP increase? Or does the same rule apply where you can usually expect maybe half of what the manufacturer says?


Notice when you research the Mopar CAI it states horse power gains of approx. 8 hp. Also the headers state about 13 hp. It appears mopar is not as far fetched as the other dealers. I would guess that this is very close to what you will get with the cams and cpu upgrade that comes with them. 30hp is alot and you will notice that. Then on top of that P&P heads from mopar. This would be one sick N/A Charger.

[lambo]

Thanks falchulk and BurntOrange! I'm thinking I'll save my pennies for this upgrade and put the exhaust and CAI off for later.

Ted, glad to see that the numbers you quoted came off of a dyno. Did he have any other mods on his Charger that may have helped him/her get 30HP?

Keep us posted on this! I know this will be popular once it is released!

[Ted@MPSC]

New info:

Looks like this is a multi part upgrade to reach the quoted numbers of gain.
The complete setup on a factory car with just the following upgrades acheaved a 30HP increase over stock. The upgrade consists of the following.

Mopar Performance Cold Air Intake kit
Mopar Performance Long Tube Header kit
New 5.7L Mopar Performance Camshaft
New Mopar Performance Controller


As this develops further, we will post the information regarding it.

The good news is that this can be done in stages, and many of you may already have a good portion of it done. Such as the CAI, and the headers, a major chunck of the upgrade. IMO the most expensive item would be the header kit, but time will tell when they release the final details.

[GO-218]

Seems like a better bang for the buck and just go with a SC??? JMO

[falchulk]

Is this 30 rwhp or just 30hp at the crank? Seems kind of low for all that................

[Ted@MPSC]

My understanding is that it is 30 RWHP, not crank HP.
The Headers are marketed as providing only 12HP at the rear wheels.
When we can get more detailed information, I will post.
This thread is just a glimpse of what is to come!

[MadC]

Would this setup be just as effective with a pair of shorty headers, or do the long tubes provide the best bang?

[Ted@MPSC]

I think the long tube would provide the optimum results, but you would definetely see some improvement over what was there.

[bearmandog]

Ted/Jeff;
Haven't heard much from you two lately. What is happening with these upgrades? Any word on when they will hit the street?

Let us know you two are still alive down there.

We all are waiting for the next great group buy or even next truckload sale from our friends at the Mopar Supercenter.

bearmandog(Bob)

[JEFF@MPSC]

Ted/Jeff;
Haven't heard much from you two lately. What is happening with these upgrades? Any word on when they will hit the street?

Let us know you two are still alive down there.

We all are waiting for the next great group buy or even next truckload sale from our friends at the Mopar Supercenter.

bearmandog(Bob)
We are still here. We have been getting ready for our car show tomorrow and the drag racing action tonight. We wish all of you could be here to share in the fun! We have heard that cam and lifter kits are in production and will be released very soon along with the new 6.4L Crate Engine.
Jeff

[Ted@MPSC]

As Jeff has stated, we have been so focused on building our local event, that it has eated up so much of our time. We have not lost touch with this superb upgrade that is about to launch. I spoke with Mopar Performance regarding this first thing this morning, as well as some other things we had concerns or questions on. The camshafts are currently in production, the calibration is being finalized, and the overall process is flowing as scheduled. Mopar Performance may take a little longer to get these products to the street, but rest assured, the product is very well developed. With our current status of being the 4th largest Mopar Performance dealer in the country, we have had very few, and I mean very few problems with their products. We beleave in their products, and we use them personally as well. As this kit comes further through the process, we will post what current information is available.

[bearmandog]

I'm in; just let me know when to order!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

[phichi]

AS I have said before, MOPAR is slow but well worth the wait....

[T@T3R_S@L@D]

so as of now the only things coming out are the heads, cams and lifter?

[danaM]

Headers go on next week. Can't wait for the cam and lifters. Already got the fever for them.

[Charger Marc]

They say 30 rwhp, does anyone know about what that would be in crank HP?

Dodge say's the Charger has 345-350HP, that is Crank HP right?
So If the new 07's have these mods from factory what will the advertised
HP be? Certainly more than 375-380. Would we DARE say the F word here???
Could they say Four hundred HP or more???
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How can anyone predict how much faster a charger would then be over the current ones? 0-60- 1/4??
How many car lengths would the NEW Charger beat the CURRENT Charger?
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Couldn't it then hang with the SRT8 Charger
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If the 07's come from factory with these mods PLUS a new rear gear
I think it should be right there with the SRT8, Don't you??
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TED: you said this is just the start, what other things would you guess we would see for the 5.7???
Also what gains would p-p heads give?
How about Gears? any chance they will be from the factory?

Thanks for all the info, this is one exciting post!!!

[phichi]

Definately count me in for this.

[falchulk]

They say 30 rwhp, does anyone know about what that would be in crank HP?

Dodge say's the Charger has 345-350HP, that is Crank HP right?
So If the new 07's have these mods from factory what will the advertised
HP be? Certainly more than 375-380. Would we DARE say the F word here???
Could they say Four hundred HP or more???
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How can anyone predict how much faster a charger would then be over the current ones? 0-60- 1/4??
How many car lengths would the NEW Charger beat the CURRENT Charger?
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Couldn't it then hang with the SRT8 Charger
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If the 07's come from factory with these mods PLUS a new rear gear
I think it should be right there with the SRT8, Don't you??
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TED: you said this is just the start, what other things would you guess we would see for the 5.7???
Also what gains would p-p heads give?
How about Gears? any chance they will be from the factory?

Thanks for all the info, this is one exciting post!!!

No, the RT's have a drivetrain loss of 20-25%. This would put it at about 300rwhp. The SRT8 puts down 360-375rwhp.

[maneval69]

They say 30 rwhp, does anyone know about what that would be in crank HP?

Dodge say's the Charger has 345-350HP, that is Crank HP right?
So If the new 07's have these mods from factory what will the advertised
HP be? Certainly more than 375-380. Would we DARE say the F word here???
Could they say Four hundred HP or more???
------------------------------

How can anyone predict how much faster a charger would then be over the current ones? 0-60- 1/4??
How many car lengths would the NEW Charger beat the CURRENT Charger?
-------------------------------
Couldn't it then hang with the SRT8 Charger
-------------------------------
If the 07's come from factory with these mods PLUS a new rear gear
I think it should be right there with the SRT8, Don't you??
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TED: you said this is just the start, what other things would you guess we would see for the 5.7???
Also what gains would p-p heads give?
How about Gears? any chance they will be from the factory?

Thanks for all the info, this is one exciting post!!!
Mopar would never rate the power increase in RWHP. "IF" they say 30 hp gains, they are talking about a 30 HP at the crank. This is done because of drive train loss. (The crank numbers sound more impressive) Which would you advertise, 30 hp gain or 25 hp gain? (25 is what you should expect at the rear wheels, assuming 18% drive train loss)

I would bet that all their testing was done on an engine dyno.

[maneval69]

No, the RT's have a drivetrain loss of 20-25%. This would put it at about 300rwhp. The SRT8 puts down 360-375rwhp.
The drive train loss should be with in a couple % between the SRT and RT's.
All my dyno numbers point to 17-18% as a good estimate for drive train loss. (based on Dynojet Dyno numbers and factory HP ratings, the mustang dynos generally produce lower numbers which would show as higher drive train loss %’s)

My Magnum produced 279 hp at the wheels, the factory rating was 340.
340-279=61hp loss through the drive train. 61/340=17.9% drive train loss.
My charger produced 292hp at the wheels, the factory rating is 350.
350-290=60hp loss, 60/350=17.1%

SRT8- 425 factory rating.
365 at the wheels = 65hp drivetrain loss, 65/425=15.3% drive train loss.
So it would be obvious that the 6.1 is under rated. I would guess the drive train loss would be more like 17.5% which would put the crank # closer to 440hp.
I doubt the 20% is realistic
If the SRT8s are putting 360hp at the wheels and we use 20% drive train loss, this would put the 6.1 at 450 hp at the crank. 375@wheels= 468@crank.

[falchulk]

The drive train loss should be with in a couple % between the SRT and RT's.
All my dyno numbers point to 17-18% as a good estimate for drive train loss. (based on Dynojet Dyno numbers and factory HP ratings, the mustang dynos generally produce lower numbers which would show as higher drive train loss %’s)

My Magnum produced 279 hp at the wheels, the factory rating was 340.
340-279=61hp loss through the drive train. 61/340=17.9% drive train loss.
My charger produced 292hp at the wheels, the factory rating is 350.
350-290=60hp loss, 60/350=17.1%

SRT8- 425 factory rating.
365 at the wheels = 65hp drivetrain loss, 65/425=15.3% drive train loss.
So it would be obvious that the 6.1 is under rated. I would guess the drive train loss would be more like 17.5% which would put the crank # closer to 440hp.
I doubt the 20% is realistic
If the SRT8s are putting 360hp at the wheels and we use 20% drive train loss, this would put the 6.1 at 450 hp at the crank. 375@wheels= 468@crank.

Most RT and RT/w/rt and Daytona numbers I have seen put he HP at 270 - 280 on a dynojet. Thats about 20%. The srt8 is obviously underated to be able to pull some of those numbers.

[maneval69]

Most RT and RT/w/rt and Daytona numbers I have seen put he HP at 270 - 280 on a dynojet. Thats about 20%. The srt8 is obviously underated to be able to pull some of those numbers.
Of the 3 I've dynoed 2 RTs and one RT/R&T, 277hp was the lowest I've seen.
In any case, 20% would be the max % I would use for estimating crake HP from RWHP. Unless you just want higher numbers.

At my last dyno session my best run was 314hp, at 20% drive train that puts me at 392hp at the crank. Using 25% would give me 418hp at the crank, which seems a tad high to me.

If I use the 17.1% calculated from my baseline run, I get 379hp at my crank. That sounds reasonable.

[falchulk]

Of the 3 I've dynoed 2 RTs and one RT/R&T, 277hp was the lowest I've seen.
In any case, 20% would be the max % I would use for estimating crake HP from RWHP. Unless you just want higher numbers.

At my last dyno session my best run was 314hp, at 20% drive train that puts me at 392hp at the crank. Using 25% would give me 418hp at the crank, which seems a tad high to me.

If I use the 17.1% calculated from my baseline run, I get 379hp at my crank. That sounds reasonable.


I assume by the "Perf. Group" you refer to in your sig is the RT w/RT? If so, you start with 35o, not 340. You would be right at 20%.

[maneval69]

Sorry for going off topic.
I would definanlty be interested in a cam and computer upgrade.

[maneval69]

I assume by the "Perf. Group" you refer to in your sig is the RT w/RT? If so, you start with 35o, not 340. You would be right at 20%.

Yes, RT w/Perf.Group= "Road and Track Performance group" which is what the package is called.
My RT with Performance Group is factory rated at 350.
Mine dynoed STOCK at 290 as stated in my earlier post. 17.1% drivetrain loss, unless it was underrated.
Originally Posted by maneval69
The drive train loss should be with in a couple % between the SRT and RT's.
All my dyno numbers point to 17-18% as a good estimate for drive train loss. (based on Dynojet Dyno numbers and factory HP ratings, the mustang dynos generally produce lower numbers which would show as higher drive train loss %’s)

My Magnum produced 279 hp at the wheels, the factory rating was 340.
340-279=61hp loss through the drive train. 61/340=17.9% drive train loss.
My charger produced 292hp at the wheels, the factory rating is 350.
350-290=60hp loss, 60/350=17.1%

SRT8- 425 factory rating.
365 at the wheels = 65hp drivetrain loss, 65/425=15.3% drive train loss.
So it would be obvious that the 6.1 is under rated. I would guess the drive train loss would be more like 17.5% which would put the crank # closer to 440hp.
I doubt the 20% is realistic
If the SRT8s are putting 360hp at the wheels and we use 20% drive train loss, this would put the 6.1 at 450 hp at the crank. 375@wheels= 468@crank.

[Ted@MPSC]

The upcoming 5.7L performance upgrade is getting closer to being launched. As the suppliers have been given the go on production of several of the key components for the full package. 2005 calibrations have been finalized, and 2006 is still under research & development final testing. The complete package did not work out as initially designed, to be completely compatible with the MDS systems on the LX 5.7L HEMI engines. They did manage to squeeze more power out of the package then they had expected, using the following components.

5.7L HEMI performance camshaft
5.7L HEMI non-MDS lifters
5.7L HEMI performance PCM (Powertrain control module)
5.7L HEMI performance TCM (transmission control module)
5.7L HEMI performance Torque converter (suggested for improved launch and low end torque only)
5.7L HEMI performance CAI
5.7L HEMI performance long tube headers w/Hi-Flo cat's
5.7L HEMI performance Cat-Back exhaust
Platinum Spark Plugs

The current test vehicle obtained just over 40 HP gain at the rear wheels with the above list of parts added.

Regretfully, the MDS system holds back much of the possibilities for a camshaft upgrade due to the special lobe profiles. These lobe profiles make this virtually impossible to create a camshaft that can help reach the horse power gains that the complete kit obtained on the test vehicle. With the 5.7L HEMI originally advertised as a 345HP engine, this upgrade puts this beast very close to the stock SRT8 6.1L power range.

On a side note, and we will be checking into this to find out why it is not mentioned. The new 5.7L HEMI CNC-Ported cylinder heads???????
Is there more power to be had here????? hmmm, more questions to ask!

More info later as this develops further

(no pricing information on the new items yet)

[383 Hemi]

Why hasn't anybody just installed a lower rear-end gear ? That'd help a lot actually...

[duntadunta]

I'm with 383, I've changed gears in 2 other vehicles and the results were fantastic. From the 1st time I drove my R/T it felt like it was begging for lower gears more than anything else, We keep hearing they are comming, maybe some of you Charger guys with some stroke could press the vendors alittle. I don't think any of us would ever be sorry we did this mod.

[lafrad]

Bah. No MDS?

BAH BAH BAH.

[lafrad]

A big gripe for gears, is the rain issue I currently have... This is the WORST car in the rain when driving in a city....

[falchulk]

A big gripe for gears, is the rain issue I currently have... This is the WORST car in the rain when driving in a city....


Then you obviously are using too much throttle. There is no issue if the car is driven properly, especially with traction control.

[falchulk]

The upcoming 5.7L performance upgrade is getting closer to being launched. As the suppliers have been given the go on production of several of the key components for the full package. 2005 calibrations have been finalized, and 2006 is still under research & development final testing. The complete package did not work out as initially designed, to be completely compatible with the MDS systems on the LX 5.7L HEMI engines. They did manage to squeeze more power out of the package then they had expected, using the following components.

5.7L HEMI performance camshaft
5.7L HEMI non-MDS lifters
5.7L HEMI performance PCM (Powertrain control module)
5.7L HEMI performance TCM (transmission control module)
5.7L HEMI performance Torque converter (suggested for improved launch and low end torque only)
5.7L HEMI performance CAI
5.7L HEMI performance long tube headers w/Hi-Flo cat's
5.7L HEMI performance Cat-Back exhaust
Platinum Spark Plugs

The current test vehicle obtained just over 40 HP gain at the rear wheels with the above list of parts added.

Regretfully, the MDS system holds back much of the possibilities for a camshaft upgrade due to the special lobe profiles. These lobe profiles make this virtually impossible to create a camshaft that can help reach the horse power gains that the complete kit obtained on the test vehicle. With the 5.7L HEMI originally advertised as a 345HP engine, this upgrade puts this beast very close to the stock SRT8 6.1L power range.

On a side note, and we will be checking into this to find out why it is not mentioned. The new 5.7L HEMI CNC-Ported cylinder heads???????
Is there more power to be had here????? hmmm, more questions to ask!

More info later as this develops further

(no pricing information on the new items yet)

Any idea on how much all this stuff will cost? Looks like tt wil be over 3000 just in parts. Its also kind of strange it only adds 40rwhp. Some people are a little over 300 with just the headers. Thats about a 20 to 30rwhp gain right there. In the end, the electronic goodies in the package may impove times much more then the HP adders.

[mluker]

Of the 3 I've dynoed 2 RTs and one RT/R&T, 277hp was the lowest I've seen.
In any case, 20% would be the max % I would use for estimating crake HP from RWHP. Unless you just want higher numbers.

At my last dyno session my best run was 314hp, at 20% drive train that puts me at 392hp at the crank. Using 25% would give me 418hp at the crank, which seems a tad high to me.

If I use the 17.1% calculated from my baseline run, I get 379hp at my crank. That sounds reasonable.

Mine Dyno results from a Mustang Dyno are as follows: 275 rwhp and 306 ft-lbs. I know Mustang Dynos show lower numbers than a DynoJet but why is my ft-lbs so low?

[falchulk]

When can we expect these:

5.7L HEMI performance PCM (Powertrain control module)
5.7L HEMI performance TCM (transmission control module)
5.7L HEMI performance Torque converter (suggested for improved launch and low end torque only)

I am really interested to see what they do to change the feel of the car.

[PowerWagon896]

Sounds like the cam Crane is working on as we speak.

A little birdie told me they got the prototype running in an "06" LX W/MDS yesterday.

[PaulPaladin]

Someone care to give a couple sentence description of how the torque converter will help? I am an auto-transmission "idiot". thanks.

[cork]

..This is the WORST car in the rain when driving in a city....

You must be kidding. I'm having a great time spinning my tires in the rain....It's about the only time I use the fun button (esp).

With just the right throttle I can spin em through the corner and keep it in control... too much and it goes sideways:dead:....especially when turning left.

No tickets yet!! ...knock on wood. (jinx)

[PowerWagon896]

Someone care to give a couple sentence description of how the torque converter will help? I am an auto-transmission "idiot". thanks.


"Stall" or "Stall speed" or more correctly stall RPM is the RPM that the converter will allow the engine to attain without rotation of drivetrain component behind the converter.

A higher "Stall" converter will allow the engine to make more power before the car is launched. With the stock R/T converter it is about 2200 RPM.

If you have a cam that operates (makes peak torque) @ 3000 RPM and up, you would want a converter with a stall speed of 3000 RPM or more. A higher stall speed also yeilds more "torque mutiplication", similar to different gearing.

As in most things if one goes too far, drivability suffers.

With a 3000 RPM stall converter, the converter would be slipping

[falchulk]

Any news on this????

[Ted@MPSC]

The TCM & PCM's should be available real soon according to Mopar Performance. I do know that the 2005 calibrations were done, and the 2006 calibrations were in the finishing stages.

[falchulk]

The TCM & PCM's should be available real soon according to Mopar Performance. I do know that the 2005 calibrations were done, and the 2006 calibrations were in the finishing stages.


Thanks:)

[infalablejed]

Wow, this is EXACTLY the kind of performance upgrades I've been waiting for the ol' Daytona... have to say it's kinda hard to sleep at night knowing this is brewing somehwere... any chance MPSC will throw together a kickass 9000 package w/ heads, CAI, headers, kitchen sink for one low low price? :grin:

[InferAl]

What exactly will the PCM and TCM upgrade do

[Absocharged]

What exactly will the PCM and TCM upgrade do

I would also like to know what these do also any info?

Also Would like to know if any of these upgrade take the place of the SC?
Kinda new to all this have have 0 mods done to my car so far, as it's only about 3 weeks new for me :lol:
Is there going to be maybe a subpackage like without the internal items?
Don't know if i want to go all out right away.

Thanks the new guy!
06 Daytona # 1415 of 4000

[Ted@MPSC]

The PCM upgrade will be an updated PCM with the calibrations programed into it to take advantage of the Performance parts Mopar has released for the LXX vehicles. Mainly this is a required item for the camshaft replacement to maintain proper air/fuel mixture ratios and not starve the motor. The additional items such as Headers, Cat-Back, and Cold Air Intake will also see benefits in the new calibrations allowing them to operate even more effectively. The TCM will have new calibrations to help improve lower RPM torque and shift firmness. I highly doubt that these will be "User Programmable Controllers" similar to Superchips or other programmers, so don't think you will be able to play with some different settings. Again though, we have not received any yet, so I really cannot say this for a fact.

[InferAl]

The PCM upgrade will be an updated PCM with the calibrations programed into it to take advantage of the Performance parts Mopar has released for the LXX vehicles. Mainly this is a required item for the camshaft replacement to maintain proper air/fuel mixture ratios and not starve the motor. The additional items such as Headers, Cat-Back, and Cold Air Intake will also see benefits in the new calibrations allowing them to operate even more effectively. The TCM will have new calibrations to help improve lower RPM torque and shift firmness. I highly doubt that these will be "User Programmable Controllers" similar to Superchips or other programmers, so don't think you will be able to play with some different settings. Again though, we have not received any yet, so I really cannot say this for a fact.

So even without a camshaft replacement these will be beneficial with headers , catback and cold air . Is this something that will just plug in in place of the old one and can it be done without a mechanic

[GLHS837]

Yep, as long as you can unbolt the old one yourself. I predict a HUGE amount of threads titled "Damn, I broke the clips on my PCM harness, now what".

Also expect that after such, you'll have a P0633 code in your computer, which will not trigger a CEL, or have any other harmful effects, just the code, which is a byproduct of the way the Sentry Key system works.

How do I know? Simple, my SRT-4 has worn three different Mopar performance PCMS over the course of its life.

Theres other function details involved, like taking super precautions to ensure that your VIN is properly annotated on your order, and other details we'll get into later, when they actually do sell these.

[InferAl]

Would the PCM or TCM have any problem running with the new GSM, ESP-TCM stage 2

[bearmandog]

Hey Ted;
Any more word on the performance pcm/tcm update?

People have not bolted on you, they are just getting a back-up plan in place; just in case Mopar dosen't come through competitive pricing on the heads.

But I think the Pcm/Tcm is the key to unlocking the performance of any these upgrades. So to me, you have to start there!

[infalablejed]

This still in the works???

[JEFF@MPSC]

This still in the works???
We are just waiting on the release from Mopar.
Jeff

[InferAl]

Yep, as long as you can unbolt the old one yourself. I predict a HUGE amount of threads titled "Damn, I broke the clips on my PCM harness, now what".

Also expect that after such, you'll have a P0633 code in your computer, which will not trigger a CEL, or have any other harmful effects, just the code, which is a byproduct of the way the Sentry Key system works.

How do I know? Simple, my SRT-4 has worn three different Mopar performance PCMS over the course of its life.

Theres other function details involved, like taking super precautions to ensure that your VIN is properly annotated on your order, and other details we'll get into later, when they actually do sell these.

When you say that your SRT4 Wore out 3 different performance PCM's over its life does that mean they don't last as long as factory?
Thanks

[aarcuda]

Any updates on the PCM?

[falchulk]

When you say that your SRT4 Wore out 3 different performance PCM's over its life does that mean they don't last as long as factory?
Thanks



heh heh, no thats not what he said. He said his car has worn 3 diffrent PCM's, not worn out 3 diffrent PCM's. He means he switched it 2 times.

[Ted@MPSC]

PCM can be ordered, however there is a minimal 2 week wait for stock inbound to the supplier. The TCM is still not yet priced or available yet.

[aarcuda]

So how do I order the PCM then? $$$?

[Ted@MPSC]

We were actually wondering if anyone was going to catch that this was added to our site. It is listed in our navigation under Mopar Performance - Charger - 2006 - Performance Controller

[crhemi]

What about HAL's upgrade?

[aarcuda]

We were actually wondering if anyone was going to catch that this was added to our site. It is listed in our navigation under Mopar Performance - Charger - 2006 - Performance Controller

I was just there and didn't see it! Duh, if I went to the performance section instead of the Dodge section!

[aarcuda]

We were actually wondering if anyone was going to catch that this was added to our site. It is listed in our navigation under Mopar Performance - Charger - 2006 - Performance Controller

Why is VIN and mileage needed?

[rodneyiii]

PCM can be ordered, however there is a minimal 2 week wait for stock inbound to the supplier. The TCM is still not yet priced or available yet.
Is there a list of enhancements that the perf. PCM provides? Does it include the 3-level ESP turn off modes? Would it help a bone stock vehicle? I'm still thinking that over-aggressive torque management is the culprit for the sluggish off-idle performance. It would be nice if that programming was scaled back or eliminated. Thanks.

[falchulk]

Why is VIN and mileage needed?



I assume they want this because it voids the poertrain warranty???

[GLHS837]

When you say that your SRT4 Wore out 3 different performance PCM's over its life does that mean they don't last as long as factory?
Thanks


Not at all. As noted, it was upgrades every time. Each Mopar Performance Upgrade kit for my car came with a new one. Stage 1, Stage 2, and Stage 3.
Now, about your VIN. I actually had to install my Stage 1 PCM twice, becuase of an error in the VIN. So, I've actually done PCM installs about 7 times, counting a few others I did for people.

If its Mopar, HAL will be fine with it.

Remember and I'm gonna yell, becuase this is VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!!

Check your VIN 3 times, then once more. When you call to to order, have them repeat it back twice. If your faxing in your order, go ahead and take a pic of your VIN and include that. If you dont make %150 sure your VIN is right, you will be ticked when your car starts, then dies. TRUST ME:)

About the PCM harness connectors, PAY ATTENTION.

Step 1. SLIDE RED LOCK TAB ( This ONLY unlocks the real lock, it DOES NOT UNLOCK THE CONNECTOR

Step 2. Depress the small black locking tab (This unlocks the connector from the harness)

Step 3. GENTLY, I repeat GENTLY, pull on connector WHILE KEEPING BLACK LOCK TAB DEPRESSED. If she wont come easily, check your tabs.

There are thousands of SRT_4s running around the country with PCM connectors held on by zip ties, dont be like them.

[falchulk]

Not at all. As noted, it was upgrades every time. Each Mopar Performance Upgrade kit for my car came with a new one. Stage 1, Stage 2, and Stage 3.
Now, about your VIN. I actually had to install my Stage 1 PCM twice, becuase of an error in the VIN. So, I've actually done PCM installs about 7 times, counting a few others I did for people.

If its Mopar, HAL will be fine with it.

Remember and I'm gonna yell, becuase this is VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!!

Check your VIN 3 times, then once more. When you call to to order, have them repeat it back twice. If your faxing in your order, go ahead and take a pic of your VIN and include that. If you dont make %150 sure your VIN is right, you will be ticked when your car starts, then dies. TRUST ME:)

About the PCM harness connectors, PAY ATTENTION.

Step 1. SLIDE RED LOCK TAB ( This ONLY unlocks the real lock, it DOES NOT UNLOCK THE CONNECTOR

Step 2. Depress the small black locking tab (This unlocks the connector from the harness)

Step 3. GENTLY, I repeat GENTLY, pull on connector WHILE KEEPING BLACK LOCK TAB DEPRESSED. If she wont come easily, check your tabs.

There are thousands of SRT_4s running around the country with PCM connectors held on by zip ties, dont be like them.


Ok, so that explains the VIN requirement but what about the milage?

[GLHS837]

I assume they want this because it voids the poertrain warranty???


No, no, a thouasand times NO!!!!!!!!!!! This info is required becuase the VIN is needed to enable you to plug and play with no dealer trip required. The mileage is required becuase the place that programs these for Mopar, Flight Systems, is the same place that programs replacement stock ones.

The system that does the programming, assuming these are being made for a car in service already, has a data field for mileage, which must get an entry. It could be any number, since your displayed mileage is what your cluster, not your PCM, says. But they try to keep them kinda together.

In three years, there has neve been a case of an SRT-4 owner finding his warranty being automatically voided or restricted in advance.

Not to say there havent been issues, but any issues have been delaer initiated, not from Mopars end. Dealer sees "Not legal for highway use" on the PCM, and some get squirleey about warranty claims.

[falchulk]

No, no, a thouasand times NO!!!!!!!!!!! This info is required becuase the VIN is needed to enable you to plug and play with no dealer trip required. The mileage is required becuase the place that programs these for Mopar, Flight Systems, is the same place that programs replacement stock ones.

The system that does the programming, assuming these are being made for a car in service already, has a data field for mileage, which must get an entry. It could be any number, since your displayed mileage is what your cluster, not your PCM, says. But they try to keep them kinda together.

In three years, there has neve been a case of an SRT-4 owner finding his warranty being automatically voided or restricted in advance.

Not to say there havent been issues, but any issues have been delaer initiated, not from Mopars end. Dealer sees "Not legal for highway use" on the PCM, and some get squirleey about warranty claims.


Ahh, ok then..............

[aarcuda]

Is there a list of enhancements that the perf. PCM provides? Does it include the 3-level ESP turn off modes? Would it help a bone stock vehicle?.

What he said... What does the PCM do for us?

[epoch]

$288.72 . . . sounds like a good price vs. SuperChips or whatever, but what exactly does it do???

[aarcuda]

Spec sheet from Mopar?

[epoch]

<Crickets>

[krcossin]

Any chance of including the PCM at the upcoming Mod Face off the LX guys are doing? I need some data to support my mod bug.

[Ted@MPSC]

Sorry, for some reason I am not getting thread updated emails.

There is absolutely no information about this PCM. The only information I have heard about this PCM was that this is 1 piece of the "Power Package" Mopar Performance is introducing. This PCM was designed and calibrated around the new camshaft, long tube headers,cat-back exhaust, and cold air intake. The new calibrations will take full advantage of the other modifications. Used in conjunction with these components, the test mule, an R/T Magnum, acheaved +40 RWHP on the dyno at mother Mopar. This is not a programmable PCM where you have different settings to flip back and forth from. It is a fixed setup PCM, and as glhs837 stated, comes preprogrammed with your VIN and mileage in it for "Plug & Play" compatibility.

Using this PCM without the camshaft:
I have absolutely no idea what to expect!

[Got_hemi?]

Wow Im starting to get really excited... to bad the car has to go into the garge for the winter. Well hopefully all will be straight by next spring and i purchase best mods.... Good luck guys and please keep me posted on gains etc.

Thanks in advance
Bryan - car goes in after october 7 meet, hopefully it will stay nice till then

[InferAl]

So is there a chance you will need the Cam to take advantage of this PCM

[GLHS837]

Yes. the advertised gains were with the whole package. It could be that a car without the cam pakage just doest see those gains, or it could be that the car wont even run right.

[T@T3R_S@L@D]

so its a tuner?

[GLHS837]

No, its a replacement engine computer. Pretuned for this specific mod set.

[bandgeek99]

And no one knows what it does? Or how it will work on a car without the Power Package mods?

I'm really curious. I'm years away from having all those mods done to my car, and the SuperChips was going to be my next mod. I'd rather do this but I wasn't planning on doing the cam for a while yet. . .

[aarcuda]

I'm thinking I wait on the PCM and go with the TCM if it is ready before winter storage. The torque management is actually the "big brother" item that bothers me the most about our cars.

[NYT]

i just talked this whole thing out with the service manager for magnussens dodge in auburn. he said that nothing mopar performance will void the factory warranty for our chargers. i just wanted to make absolutely sure before i went ahead with this.

[boogie]

Ok. Sounds interesting. Priced at $288.00. What does it do? And why would I want this over my SC?

[Ted@MPSC]

Lets wait for testing results, then we can show what it actually does.

Mopar still hasn't given me the deep details about the PCM, or TCM. I do know that the TCM was designed for improved launch, and that was about the extent of this conversation. The only other transmission detail was that they were testing a torque converter as well, might make the Mopar approved list, might not.

[boogie]

Lets wait for testing results, then we can show what it actually does.

Mopar still hasn't given me the deep details about the PCM, or TCM. I do know that the TCM was designed for improved launch, and that was about the extent of this conversation. The only other transmission detail was that they were testing a torque converter as well, might make the Mopar approved list, might not.

Ok. Also what info is there on the cam for the 5.7 you have listed?

[epoch]

So you need the complete "power package" to net 40rwhp? I'm guessing around two grand for the entire package, how far off is that? Seems like a lot, but I'm a mod newbie.

[boogie]

What are the specs to the MDS compatable cam you have listed on your website?

[aarcuda]

Ok. Also what info is there on the cam for the 5.7 you have listed?

From their site:

"Add more performance to your 5.7L HEMI engine with this new MOPAR camshaft & lifter kit.

Features:
Advertised Duration: 259°/267°
Duration @ 0.050": 204°/210.5°
LSA: 116°
O-Lap: 32.5°
Lift: 0.500"/0.488"
Rec. Spring: Production
Basic RPM: 3,000–6,200
Centerline: 121°
non MDS Lifters included"

[boogie]

From their site:

"Add more performance to your 5.7L HEMI engine with this new MOPAR camshaft & lifter kit.

Features:
Advertised Duration: 259°/267°
Duration @ 0.050": 204°/210.5°
LSA: 116°
O-Lap: 32.5°
Lift: 0.500"/0.488"
Rec. Spring: Production
Basic RPM: 3,000–6,200
Centerline: 121°
non MDS Lifters included"

AARCUDA. I found that cam, but they have one that is listed as MDS compatable.

[aarcuda]

You're right. Something is not right with the specs.

[Ted@MPSC]

There is 2 camshaftts listed on our site. Maybe I should move the one to vehicles that came with non-MDS Hemi's, the Ram trucks. If you looked at the notes, the one that is for MDS, it states that it will disable MDS. Both camshafts are the same, the difference being one come with lifters, the other does not.

[boogie]

There is 2 camshaftts listed on our site. Maybe I should move the one to vehicles that came with non-MDS Hemi's, the Ram trucks. If you looked at the notes, the one that is for MDS, it states that it will diable MDS. Both camshafts are the same, the difference being one come with lifters, the other does not.

That's kind of what I thought. Thanks, but do you know what the expected HP gain is?

[Ted@MPSC]

There is no published gains for the camshaft. They have only stated the gains outcome as part of the "Power package".

[Ted@MPSC]

POWERTRAIN CONTROLLER UPGRADE
The MOPAR Powertrain Controller Upgrade has optimized fueling and spark settings to take full advantage of the MOPAR 5.7L Hemi Performance Camshaft (P5153325) included in the 5.7L Hemi Performance Camshaft & Lifters kit - P5153570.

Powertrain Controller Upgrade Components:
• Performance Powertrain Control Module (PCM)
• Installation Sheet

Recommended Upgrades:
• P5153570 Performance Camshaft & Lifters Kit
• SPLZTR5A13 Platinum Spark Plugs Gapped to .040"
• xxxxxxxx Performance Transmission Control Module (TCM)
• xxxxxxxx Performance Torque Converter
• P4510832 Cold Air Intake System
• P5153456 Exhaust Headers & Catalyst Kit
• P4510855 Cat-Back Exhaust System

SPECIAL NOTE:
ELECTRONIC THROTTLE CONTROL (ETC) RELEARN PROCEDURE
This vehicle is equipped with an Electronic Throttle Control (ETC) system and requires the ETC RELEARN procedure to be performed when your new MOPAR PCM is installed. This procedure checks the Accelerator Pedal Position Sensors (APPS) to make sure that idle and full pedal travel can be reached on both sensors. This procedure requires the use of the appropriate Scan tool. Failure to perform the ETC RELEARN will cause the throttle not to respond to the accelerator pedal only allowing engine to run at idle speed. It will also set the Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) and activate the Malfunction Indicator Light (MIL).

SPECIAL NOTE:
P0633 Diagnostic Trouble Code
It is normal for the Powertrain Controller Upgrade to set the P0633 DTC. This code will not activate the Malfunction Indicator Light (MIL), but it will be displayed during a diagnostic check. The vehicle functionality or performance is not affected as a result of this code.

[Dan]

This cam upgrade is in edition to the performance upgrade package, or part of it, or??? Confused because I heard of a performance Mopar package that came with headers and other things.

[Ted@MPSC]

TRANSMISSION CONTROLLER UPGRADE
The MOPAR Transmission Controller Upgrade has optimized shift schedule to take full advantage of the MOPAR 5.7L Hemi Performance Camshaft and Performance Torque Converter. The performance tuned AutoStick® calibration with the hold in-gear feature will prevent the transmission from up-shifting at red-line RPM in AutoStick® mode allowing for sportier driving.

Transmission Controller Upgrade Components:
• Performance Transmission Control Module (TCM)
• Installation Sheet

Recommended Upgrades:
• Powertrain Controller Upgrade
• P5153570 Performance Camshaft & Lifters Kit
• Performance Torque Converter

SPECIAL NOTE:
POWERTRAIN CONTROLLER UPGRADE
The MOPAR Transmission Controller Upgrade shift schedule has higher red-line RPM shifts (accelerator pedal fully depressed) than the production shift schedule. To support this performance shift schedule the vehicle MUST be equipped with the MOPAR Powertrain Controller Upgrade.
FAILURE TO INSTALL THE MOPAR POWERTRAIN CONTROLLER UPGRADE WILL PREVENT THE AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FROM UP-SHIFTING AT FULLY DEPRESSED ACCELERATOR PEDAL DRIVING CONDITION (WOT).

[Ted@MPSC]

Dan,
The camshaft is part of the "Total Package" of the Mopar Power Package. They are selling the different components of the package individually, as many people have already purchased many of the recommended parts for the package.

[Ted@MPSC]

MOPAR Performance Torque Converter
The MOPAR Performance Torque Converter is designed to better utilize the torque characteristic produced by the MOPAR Performance Camshaft.
Proper operation of the Performance Torque Converter requires installation of the Transmission Control Module (TCM) upgrade. The MOPAR TCM upgrade has optimized shift schedule and performance tuned AutoStick® calibration with hold in-gear feature. The hold in-gear prevents the transmission from up-shifting at red-line RPM in AutoStick® mode allowing for sportier driving.

Performance Torque Converter Kit Components:
• Performance Torque Converter
• Information Sheet
• Installation Sheet

Recommended Upgrades:
• MOPAR Powertrain Control Module (PCM) upgrade
• MOPAR Transmission Control Module (TCM) upgrade
• MOPAR Cold Air Intake System
• MOPAR Exhaust Headers & Catalyst Kit
• MOPAR Cat-Back Exhaust System
• SPLZTR5A13 Platinum Spark Plugs Gapped to .040"

SPECIAL NOTE:
TRANSMISSION CONTROL MODULE
Proper operation of the MOPAR Performance Torque Converter requires installation of the Transmission Control Module (TCM) upgrade with optimized calibration and shift schedule.
Failure to utilize the proper TCM upgrade with the MOPAR Performance Torque Converter will cause the transmission to go to limp-in mode after a severe acceleration. In this protection mode, the transmission is place in neutral (N) independently of the gear shifter selection. It will remain in this state until the ignition key is turned OFF and ON again to reset the transmission control module parameters. Also a Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) will be set and the Malfunction Indicator Light (MIL) activated.

SPECIAL NOTE:
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE
The MOPAR 5.7L Transmission Control Module upgrade shift schedule has higher red-line RPM shifts (accelerator pedal fully depressed) than the production shift schedule. To support this performance shift schedule the vehicle MUST be equipped with the MOPAR Powertrain Control Module (PCM) upgrade. Failure to install the appropriated PCM upgrade will prevent the automatic transmission from up-shifting at fully depressed accelerator pedal driving condition (WOT).

SPECIAL NOTE:
LOW TRANSMISSION FLUID LEVEL
After torque converter replacement, Mopar® ATF +4, Automatic Transmission Fluid MUST be added to the transmission to account for the new torque converter fluid filling. Failure to add automatic transmission fluid after torque converter replacement will result in transmission fluid low causing N-D or N-R gear engagement delays. A low fluid level allows the pump to take in air along with the fluid causing the fluid pressure to be lower than normal. In addition, aerates the fluid churning it into foam. Foaming will cause fluid overheat, oxidation, and varnish buildup which interferes with valve and clutch operation.

SPECIAL NOTE:
TRANSMISSION FLUID LEVEL VERIFICATION
The automatic transmission - NAG1 fluid level check recommended procedure – described on the service manual, requires the use of special tool # 9336 (transmission fluid dipstick) and the appropriate a scan tool to measure the true transmission oil temperature in order to determine the correct NAG1 transmission fluid level. For detailed information on how to Check and adjust fluid level, refer to Service Manual - TRANSMISSION/ AUTOMATIC - NAG1/ FILTER - STANDARD PROCEDURE.

[falchulk]

Fantastic!! Now all we need are some numbers from a test car.................

[Dan]

Dan,
The camshaft is part of the "Total Package" of the Mopar Power Package. They are selling the different components of the package individually, as many people have already purchased many of the recommended parts for the package.

Wow thank you :D I am really looking forward to this. When can we expect word on pricing?

[GLHS837]

Okay, heres my guess at both Mopars numbers and real world dyno gains and strip improvements, last two expressed as averages.

Mopar = +40 which will be crank, but we knew this (full kit of all recommended upgrades)

REal world dyno will be averaged about 315-320, strip times will be about 13.6-13.4, best conditions. Price point?

And before we are inundated with a slew of "Well, I can make that power cheaper and/or better", remeber, this stuf passes all the same testing as stock stuff, and is done with full access to all the right tools.

[Dan]

Okay, heres my guess at both Mopars numbers and real world dyno gains and strip improvements, last two expressed as averages.

Mopar = +40 which will be crank, but we knew this (full kit of all recommended upgrades)

REal world dyno will be averaged about 315-320, strip times will be about 13.6-13.4, best conditions. Price point?

And before we are inundated with a slew of "Well, I can make that power cheaper and/or better", remeber, this stuf passes all the same testing as stock stuff, and is done with full access to all the right tools.

But how will it effect our warranty and extended warranties? Regardless though, I'm thinking going with Mopar on the crucial elements would be wise. But something like a CAI I don't think will really matter much and I like the look of those afe CAI :D

[GLHS837]

Warranty is a dealer by dealer case. Some will insist that if you get it installed by them, they'll warranty it like stock. Some will say your warranty is gone, some will say stuff in betweeen.

If you want the legalese, read your warranty book that came with your car, it specifically says that any damage caused by Mopar Performance parts is NOT covered.

[InferAl]

It looks like without the cam and lifters and torque converter you probably would't get alot out of PCM or TCM or maybe it wouldn' even function correctly ???

[GLHS837]

Hmmm, wonder what Mopar knows about gains to be had without hard parts to back it up, eh?

[Ted@MPSC]

......Mopar = +40 which will be crank, but we knew this (full kit of all recommended upgrades)......

Wrong GLHS837, As I have stated from the beginning, it is +40 RWHP (rear wheel horse power) as stated by the engineers at Mopar by the tests conducted on their test vehicle.

[Ted@MPSC]

OK,
We have determined our baseline on the test vehicle. The dyno graph below is the initial test results of the test vehicle with the following list of mod's already done.

Mopar Long Tube Headers, Cold Air Intake, & a cat-back exhaust.

We went this way because so many of our customers have already done the exact same modifications to their car. Now, with these modifications already done, we will be adding the rest of the power package components to the test vehicle and conducting additional dynos including the A/F mappings. The only difference here, is we probably will not get to do the 1/4 mile runs for the test car to see the results of the TCM and torque converter upgrade. We will make all attempt to get this done, but as you can see, this is not being done inhouse. We chose to have this done by an end user who lives far away from us so we can get an unbiased opinion of the change. Once the install is done, we will introduce to you the lucky owner of the test vehicle and he will make his very own personnal posts, good, bad, or indifferent. This is a totally up to him, and we can only anticipate the outcome, and hopefully an excellent review.

[aarcuda]

Thanks for the update Ted. Wish it was my car up here as the test bed. Now I have to be on the lookout for a really fast R/T in the area.

[chargershed]

Ted, My original MOPAR upgrade sheet showed that the cam was MDS compatible... is it still? or does the use of the PCM,TCM, convertor and the like causes MDS to be disabled? Man, I'd love to "have my cake, and eat it, too"... if you know what I mean...

[mango3083]

I had a new cam installed recently. I'm using the SC 91 tune and the performance really shot up. I am looking for that PCM I keep hearing about but no luck yet.

[Ted@MPSC]

Ted, My original MOPAR upgrade sheet showed that the cam was MDS compatible... is it still? or does the use of the PCM,TCM, convertor and the like causes MDS to be disabled? Man, I'd love to "have my cake, and eat it, too"... if you know what I mean...

The original data sheet that was released is misleading, we also thought originally that the camshaft was MDS compatible. After speaking directly to the engineers, we soon found out that IT IS NOT MDS COMPATIBLE.

On the Dodge Ram trucks that have had the MDS disabled, most people have only lost about 4mpg. So, is over 40HP more at the rear wheels, that puts you in the SRT8 territory, worth the loss of MDS? This can only be answered by the person who is considering this upgrade.

[Ted@MPSC]

I had a new cam installed recently. I'm using the SC 91 tune and the performance really shot up. I am looking for that PCM I keep hearing about but no luck yet.

We can order the Mopar Performance PCM right now, there will be a wait, but the order can be placed.

How will it work with your camshaft, we don't have a clue, I don't know what camshaft your installed. The Mopar PCM is specifically calibrated for the Mopar camshaft's lobe profiles, as long as the camshaft you installed is similar, you should see some good results. The new Mopar camshaft aslo needs a new cam gear, as the timing is changed slightly, this must be degreed in when installed.

[falchulk]

We can order the Mopar Performance PCM right now, there will be a wait, but the order can be placed.

How will it work with your camshaft, we don't have a clue, I don't know what camshaft your installed. The Mopar PCM is specifically calibrated for the Mopar camshaft's lobe profiles, as long as the camshaft you installed is similar, you should see some good results. The new Mopar camshaft aslo needs a new cam gear, as the timing is changed slightly, this must be degreed in when installed.

How long until the entire package is available for purchase?

[Ted@MPSC]

I am hoping within 1 month, but I can't say for sure

[falchulk]

I am hoping within 1 month, but I can't say for sure


It occured to me that they are making the trans shift like the SRTR8 in manual shift mode by holding the gear. Supposedly there is a TSB being worked on to make the SRT8 shift autmatically at redline rather then holding the gear. Thats suppose to fix the rev limiter banging that occurs. Strange they would put out this package and create the same issue.

[giznome]

I am hoping within 1 month, but I can't say for sure

I'm holding my breath, so hurry up! My birthday is at the end of October, so we need to know a few weeks in advance!!:grin:

[darkkyn]

myself, i am curious as to how much difference there will be between the pcm + tcm vs sc 91 tune, because i believe that the sc already ups the shifting to near or at redline. i know it wont stay in gear at redline, but i wouldnt really want it too anyway, not with out serious top end work.

not to mention there are other cams out there, that will work with mds, that might fill the place of this factory one. which works for me, because i didnt get an srt8 just because of their lack of mds.

[falchulk]

myself, i am curious as to how much difference there will be between the pcm + tcm vs sc 91 tune, because i believe that the sc already ups the shifting to near or at redline. i know it wont stay in gear at redline, but i wouldnt really want it too anyway, not with out serious top end work.

not to mention there are other cams out there, that will work with mds, that might fill the place of this factory one. which works for me, because i didnt get an srt8 just because of their lack of mds.

First, PCM +TCM are designed to work with the changes the cam presents. Ths SC really is nowhere in the same park. Second, there are NO cams that work with MDS today. They claim they will but the programming is not there so they DONT work now.

[rodneyiii]

OK,
We have determined our baseline on the test vehicle. The dyno graph below is the initial test results of the test vehicle with the following list of mod's already done.

Mopar Long Tube Headers, Cold Air Intake, & a cat-back exhaust.

We went this way because so many of our customers have already done the exact same modifications to their car. Now, with these modifications already done, we will be adding the rest of the power package components to the test vehicle and conducting additional dynos including the A/F mappings. The only difference here, is we probably will not get to do the 1/4 mile runs for the test car to see the results of the TCM and torque converter upgrade. We will make all attempt to get this done, but as you can see, this is not being done inhouse. We chose to have this done by an end user who lives far away from us so we can get an unbiased opinion of the change. Once the install is done, we will introduce to you the lucky owner of the test vehicle and he will make his very own personnal posts, good, bad, or indifferent. This is a totally up to him, and we can only anticipate the outcome, and hopefully an excellent review.
Can the electronic modules be put in first to provide a mid-level test point? Many of us are probably not going to do the cam/torque converter install but would like the electronic enhancements. This staged testing method will help everyone understand what the electronics are capable of with a mostly stock setup. Assuming the improvements are noticable, it may generate some more sales of modules from folks who are reluctant to tear into their engines & transmissions. Once the other hardware is in the vehicle, the gains achieved soley by the PCM/TCM modules would be unattainable. Thanks.

[aarcuda]

Can the electronic modules be put in first to provide a mid-level test point? Many of us are probably not going to do the cam/torque converter install but would like the electronic enhancements. This staged testing method will help everyone understand what the electronics are capable of with a mostly stock setup. Assuming the improvements are noticable, it may generate some more sales of modules from folks who are reluctant to tear into their engines & transmissions. Once the other hardware is in the vehicle, the gains achieved soley by the PCM/TCM modules would be unattainable. Thanks.

What he said!!

[Stevessti]

Hey, GLHS, this is like the old days when Stage 1 came out for the SRT4, huh?

[GLHS837]

No fooling:) More like Stage 2, really, since it required hard parts to achieve stated gains also. "What if I run an AGP wastegate, and Stage 1 injectors, and add a dumped exhuast?"

Ted, if you got any yank with the Mopar guys, tell them they'd better make the whole PCM harness connector thing perfectly clear, I recommend a graphic. I know anyone with a lick of mechaincal sense should be able to puzzle them out, but regardless, folks are gonna yank them:) And break them, then bit$% about Mopar for it.

[phichi]

Can the electronic modules be put in first to provide a mid-level test point? Many of us are probably not going to do the cam/torque converter install but would like the electronic enhancements. This staged testing method will help everyone understand what the electronics are capable of with a mostly stock setup. Assuming the improvements are noticable, it may generate some more sales of modules from folks who are reluctant to tear into their engines & transmissions. Once the other hardware is in the vehicle, the gains achieved soley by the PCM/TCM modules would be unattainable. Thanks.

I would plunk down the $$ right now if I knew I could add the PCM without ripping my engine apart. PLEASE show us what the above poster asked, I guarantee at least one sale, possibly many more.

[InferAl]

Exactly I would be interested also a midpoint test with just the Headers, Intake and Catback. Also not going to do the cam etc

[Ted@MPSC]

Exactly I would be interested also a midpoint test with just the Headers, Intake and Catback. Also not going to do the cam etc


This exact setup has been tested, reveiw this post http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=355422&postcount=130 for details and dyno graph.

[Ted@MPSC]

I would plunk down the $$ right now if I knew I could add the PCM without ripping my engine apart. PLEASE show us what the above poster asked, I guarantee at least one sale, possibly many more.

Well, all I can say is we might be able to try the PCM first without the camshaft. I don't think it is going to work well though, as the PCM is specifically calibrated for the camshaft.

[aarcuda]

This exact setup has been tested, reveiw this post http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=355422&postcount=130 for details and dyno graph.
Thanks, Ted.

Now what about just the PCM and TCM with no cam change?

[Ted@MPSC]

Ok, we may try the PCM and TCM to see how the car operates without the camshaft and torque converter. If we do get to try this, I highly doubt that we will be able to do a dyno pull, but they should be able to do a road test. The install is actually being done at a Dodge dealership, and they do not have a dyno. Remember, I am not 100% in control of this, as we wanted an unbiased test review. Had this been a test that we were conducting in-house, we could easily hide any unfavorable results, not that we would, but the opportunity is there.

[Ted@MPSC]

Thanks, Ted.

Now what about just the PCM and TCM with no cam change?


I really hate to say this, but I think this particular setup would be best suited for the superchips programmer.

[aarcuda]

I really hate to say this, but I think this particular setup would be best suited for the superchips programmer.

Nothing against superchips but I personally only want Mopar parts for the computer, trans, and engine upgrades that I do for at least the first couple of years. I am not too worried about exhausts and intakes but for the real guts I want Mopar.

Give me a really really good deal and I'll try it on my car with before and after dynos.
Bob

[MadC]

Doesn't the PCM disable MDS? Why would we want to do that on our cars if we're not changing the cam? I agree with Ted, the SC would be better if you don't plan on a cam change.....

[VanAwesome]

dang, another thing i gotta have.. can't wait for all the info

[aarcuda]

Doesn't the PCM disable MDS? Why would we want to do that on our cars if we're not changing the cam? I agree with Ted, the SC would be better if you don't plan on a cam change.....
I am planning on the cam and torque converter as well but I like playing and testing. Just want some comparisons. This is my toy car and I don't need MDS working. I didn't buy it for the mileage figures. Who knows I might find out something interesting.

[Dan]

I am planning on the cam and torque converter as well but I like playing and testing. Just want some comparisons. This is my toy car and I don't need MDS working. I didn't buy it for the mileage figures. Who knows I might find out something interesting.

I'd have figured you'd go for the SRT if you weren't concerned with mileage.

[aarcuda]

I'd have figured you'd go for the SRT if you weren't concerned with mileage.

I like mods and figure I can get an extra 75hp for less than $12K extra the SRT8 was. Plus Stone White NA on SRT8.

[InferAl]

I really hate to say this, but I think this particular setup would be best suited for the superchips programmer.

I have read that there have been some issues with Superchips and longtube headers and they do not recomend Superchips with Longtubes ?

[Ted@MPSC]

Good ponits posted, the MDS is disable by the PCM, and Suprchips doesn't play well with long tubes. Another good point nobody posted, the TCM & PCM are calibrated for the torque converter. Without changing the converter, how are the new trans pressures, and torque management going to work with the lower stall speed converter. The car could shift like crap, or even fall on its face at launch. This is meant to be used as a complete package, ideally it would be best to purchase the components one by one until you have them all, then install them. I will not recommend any other way with these Mopar upgrades.

[MadC]

I have read that there have been some issues with Superchips and longtube headers and they do not recomend Superchips with Longtubes ?

Nah! Superchips works just fine with the Long tubes....... SC was just concerned about the SC leaning things out too much with their advanced timing - which has proven to not be the case. I still run a bit rich, as do others running the same combo.

I would gladly ditch the SC though for the Mopar PCM, once the new cam goes in. Although the best benefit of the SC is the shifting performance, so once I go to the PCM, I lose that benefit until the TCM/Converter mod :(

[GO-218]

TED,

So will this torque converter work with the pressure of a supercharger and long tubes?

[falchulk]

TED,

So will this torque converter work with the pressure of a supercharger and long tubes?

What? There is no supercharger. SC= Superchips programmer.

[MadC]

What? There is no supercharger. SC= Superchips programmer.

I don't think he was confusing SC for Supercharger. Look at his sig.....

[falchulk]

I don't think he was confusing SC for Supercharger. Look at his sig.....



Aha! I get what he meant now! Will the driveline put up with the stress from the power. Geeze, what was I thinking?:)

[MadC]

Aha! I get what he meant now! Will the driveline put up with the stress from the power. Geeze, what was I thinking?:)

From the recent results I've heard with the supercharger, I think the driveline is the least of the worries....
:cry:

[rodneyiii]

Ok, we may try the PCM and TCM to see how the car operates without the camshaft and torque converter. If we do get to try this, I highly doubt that we will be able to do a dyno pull, but they should be able to do a road test. The install is actually being done at a Dodge dealership, and they do not have a dyno. Remember, I am not 100% in control of this, as we wanted an unbiased test review. Had this been a test that we were conducting in-house, we could easily hide any unfavorable results, not that we would, but the opportunity is there.
That would be great, Ted. We won't know until someone tries it. Thanks!

[GO-218]

What I was talking about is the additional torque output from changing the cam making the converter, PCM and TCM all be in line with HAL. It was discussed above about running the car W/O the cam. I am concerned how the PCM & TCM interacts with the additional torque output from my supercharger. I have read the recommended upgrades on Ted's site making me think it may be OK. It appears that is what the TCM & PCM are looking for, more torque... Give them the additional torque and something to actually manage rather than the stock setup.

:confused: Comments TED???:confused:

[Ted@MPSC]

TED,

So will this torque converter work with the pressure of a supercharger and long tubes?
I don't think the converter will have a problem with a supercharger, and we know it works with long tubes. Again, this is a combination our of our control, and would require testing from an outside source.

[Ted@MPSC]

Ladies & Gentlemen, I would like to be the first to inform you that the Mopar Performance Power Package has been INSTALLED! In an effort to keep things as unbiased as possible, we picked a member at random from several of the sites we post on that owned a 5.7L LX vehicle. There were no special circumstances or experience needed, just an enthusiast. We searched for someone who would be willing to be our ginny pig, and to help keep this as fair a test as possible, they must also endure some financial responsibility with the test. We provided all the parts needed that they did not already have installed, they provided the vehicle, and the labor costs for the install. They were required to get a before, and after dyno test, and provide their honest feed back about the overall package.

Let me introduce to you, bearmandog from the Charger forum as our beta tester. I am sure that once he sees this post, he will be providing all of you with with his opinions, and the data test results as the project finishes up. He has already provided the initial dyno test, and will provide us a after dyno test shortly. Please be patient, as his wife was in an accident during the install, so he has been a rather busy person lately. I will not provide you with the statements he has made to us, I will leave that to him. I will be quoting the statements he makes on the forums he does not post in for the people who are interested in these.

The only statement I will make at this time is, "I wish I was a fly on the window the first time he nailed the accelerator, for I would have loved to have seen his expression at that very moment."

It is all yours Bearmandog!
Enjoy!

[macjup]

I had hoped for more.

[bearmandog]

Damn! My secret is out!

Well as you all have read, I'm the lucky recipient of the free upgrade.

First, I need to name the co-conspirators in this mission: MoparSupercenter(Thanks Ted), Power Ported Performance(Jeremy) and SunnySide Dodge, Mchenry,Il(Lynn,Service Manager and Brian, Tech). Thank You All! This was a joint effort.

Second, as Ted has told you. This was not without cost to me. I paid for the Dyno's, Installation, and Heads(at cost).

My car already had the Mopar headers, cat-back, and CAI. Pre-Dyno is in this thread.....rhp 309.4, torque 344.2. next Dyno will be next week.

Also as Ted mentioned; my wife went deer hunting on her way home from work last night and bagged a 1000lb buck with her Nissan Murano(OUCH). I worked last night and did not get home till 9:00 this AM. So, why I'm I telling you this; because I did not get any sleep today and have not been able to properly test the car. The wife is fine, her car, not so much.

I have alot of pictures that will be uploaded throughout the weekend, so please be patient.

NOW; for what you have been waiting for. I did a couple of 0 to 60 tests...... 5.12 seconds was the best. You step on the gas and the car pins you to the seat. Shifts were abrupt and startling......as I stop and started it seemed the car was learning. Remember....no MDS.....when you hit the gas it roars...no hesitation. Shifts at 6100-6200 rpm's.....very noticable. Auto stick is awesone getting rubber between gears.

I will be testing throughout the weekend and will be posting.....I've had only a couple of hours of sleep and my reflexes are not the best.

Brian at SunnySide Dodge is the first tech in the country to do this install and it was top notch; you could not tell he was there(except for all the used parts in my trunk)!

Only two problems during the install........first Mopar provided 8 lifters to be replaced(MDS ones), but there was too much play in the guides for the the other lifters; so Ted got 8 more...problem solved! All the lifters have been replaced and Mopar will provide all 16 from this point forward. Ted jumped on the problem and fixed it within hours. Second.....the performance PCM provided was not flashed to my car.......Ted to the rescue......SRT enginneers talked Brian though reprogramming the PCM. This team worked seemlessly, which is amazing since they never met. I'm in Northern Illinois close to the Wisconsin Border.

My car Dodge Charger Daytona GoManGo #2514.

Well folks that will have to be enough for the night; as I need sleep!

More.....MUCH MORE to follow. I will try to answer all the questions on the performance of my car. Please direct your technical questions to Ted, Jeremy, and the experts.

Later..........bearmandog

[bearmandog]

Note: CNC heads installed from Power Ported Performance; I got all upgrades available. Jeremy provided these heads at his cost(Thanks Buddy!).

Please see the Power Ported Performance site in this Forum for all the Details. The Heads were gorgeous, and when placed next to stock; all I can say is "Oh My God" what a difference. Pictures to follow; judge for your self.

Again, this will be over the weekend. I NEED SLEEP, but I thought this had to be pointed out prior to my slumber.

Thanks Jeremy... You are the Man.

[lafrad]

Note: CNC heads installed from Power Ported Performance; I got all upgrades available. Jeremy provided these heads at his cost(Thanks Buddy!).

Please see the Power Ported Performance site in this Forum for all the Details. The Heads were gorgeous, and when placed next to stock; all I can say is "Oh My God" what a difference. Pictures to follow; judge for your self.

Again, this will be over the weekend. I NEED SLEEP, but I thought this had to be pointed out prior to my slumber.

Thanks Jeremy... You are the Man.


SWEET!

You *GOTTA* come to the Middleton/Madison Meet'n'Greet!

[425hp]

Ya know, maybe the reason DCX is restricting engine parts for the 5.7 and 6.1 is because they want to buy time to develop their own parts to sell us. By restricting the engine parts, they disable competition.

C.

Silver 06 SRT-8

[aarcuda]

How about coming to Union Grove next tuesday or wedsneday to run it on the 1/4?

Now I at least know what car to watch out for!

[giznome]

Sweet buddy, keep updating. Getting a little rubber between shifts would be great, sounds like what I'm looking for. Are there any pics of the install?? Pretty much anything would be great. Have fun!

[bearmandog]

A tank of gas later...................................

Was out playing today and completely embarrassed an O6 Mustang GT.......we started together, but than all he saw was my rear lights pulling away. At the next stop he asked what was done to my car because he never was so soundly beaten by a Charger RT. All he got out of me was Headers and CAI (let him wonder).

DISCLAIMER****** This not to put down my SRT8 brothers.......

My next car I run into on Route 12 in Southern Wisconsin was a Charger SRT8; he saw me coming up to him in his rear view mirror....AND IT WAS ON.........he tried to lose me, but to no avail, I was in his rear view mirror too close for comfort. I stayed with him for the next twenty miles and every time we got clear of traffic he ran and I was right with him. I could not beat him, but than again.......he could not beat me! We stayed even till I looked down and decided I did not want to push a close to empty tank.

Filled up and away I went..............Next test..........pushed the ESP button and held it down and low and behold it went "DING". That was a first; not certain if the new TCM completely disables the ESP. Pulled out of the gas Station; autostick enabled, punched it and nothing but smoke for 50 yards, my ass was all over the place.......THAT was a first......kind of unnerving, but very intresting.

Can't tell you how gas mileage was effected, but I guess it will be comparative to the SRT. I'll let you know when I get back to a work schedule later in the week........right now I'm having to much fun with my heavy foot.

So far the upgrade has been as advertised; but remember I installed the CNC heads from Power Ported Performance.

The most startling thing has been the LAUNCH.......it just pins you in the seat; I just wonder what a set of 3.23 gears would do.

Pictures will be posted when the wife gets home from work tonight.....I'm not that computer literate..............

Stay Tuned..............I will post more later!

I will answer questions, but please ask the technical stuff to Ted(MoparSupercenter) and Jeremy(Power Ported Performance); they are the EXPERTS..........I'm just the owner.

[MadC]

What Mopar parts are you actually running as part of the package?
5.7 cam?
PCM?
TCM?
Torque Converter?

[bearmandog]

What Mopar parts are you actually running as part of the package?
5.7 cam?
PCM?
TCM?
Torque Converter?

MadC;
Cam, Lifters,TCM, PCM, Torque converter, and CNC Heads(not part of the package).

The package also includes.....Headers, cat-back, and CAI; but I already had that on my car.

bearmandog

[Ted@MPSC]

MadC,
Bearman dog is running the COMPLETE package.
Headers, Cold Air Intake, Cat-Back Exhaust, Camshaft, PCM, TCM, Torque Converter, and PPP CNC Heads.

[GLHS837]

Total price for someone to duplicate this setup?

[aarcuda]

This is great information so far and a great buildup for you bearman. When will you do dyno?

For the rest of us (myself definately included) STUPID 5.7 owners...

As far as I can tell the total for parts is approx. $5729 + guesstimate on tcm $288 + converter $300 = $6317. Labor probably $1500 for a total of $7817!!!

I now will kick myself in the a$$ for not buying the SRT8 which lets me keep a warranty. The base price dif between R/T and SRT8 is $7805:(

[UA_who]

I wonder how much of Bearman's results are from the ported heads?

I am thinking of doing the complete package too, but without the heads (they are too pricey).

I already have LT headers, cat-back, CAT... and am coming up with about 1400 in parts (cam kit, PCM, torque converter, TCM) and my local dealer quoted me about 1600 for install. $3000 total isn't bad if I can be in the 400-hp range. Another 3500 or so for the heads is too much.

[aarcuda]

I took all available prices from MPSC website to get my start from stock totals.

[UA_who]

I took all available prices from MPSC website to get my start from stock totals.

You were right on aarcuda, if you include the ported heads. Which brought up my question.

BTW, the dealer told me the only way to install a new cam was to take out the engine completely. He said there is no room to take it out otherwise. Can anyone confirm this?

[Ted@MPSC]

UA who,
You do not need to pull the engine to change the camshaft. The radiator and ac condenser need to be removed, and that provides enough room to change the camshaft.

[bearmandog]

You were right on aarcuda, if you include the ported heads. Which brought up my question.

BTW, the dealer told me the only way to install a new cam was to take out the engine completely. He said there is no room to take it out otherwise. Can anyone confirm this?

The engine does not need to come out.......I'm posting pictures later today to prove that point. The dealer who did my install can beat that price; and NOW they have the experience.

[bearmandog]

This is great information so far and a great buildup for you bearman. When will you do dyno?

For the rest of us (myself definately included) STUPID 5.7 owners...

As far as I can tell the total for parts is approx. $5729 + guesstimate on tcm $288 + converter $300 = $6317. Labor probably $1500 for a total of $7817!!!

I now will kick myself in the a$$ for not buying the SRT8 which lets me keep a warranty. The base price dif between R/T and SRT8 is $7805:(

The Dyno will be this week when he can fit me in; but it will be THIS WEEK.

I got my GMG because I liked the Daytona package and of course the color.....Red,Silver, and Black were not my favorite. The Mango just caught my eye.

[bearmandog]

I wonder how much of Bearman's results are from the ported heads?

I am thinking of doing the complete package too, but without the heads (they are too pricey).

I already have LT headers, cat-back, CAT... and am coming up with about 1400 in parts (cam kit, PCM, torque converter, TCM) and my local dealer quoted me about 1600 for install. $3000 total isn't bad if I can be in the 400-hp range. Another 3500 or so for the heads is too much.

I'm sure the Heads are going to make a difference.........but I think you need the cam and performance PCM/TCM to take advantage of the upgrades. Folks who only did the Heads report a great burst at the beginning, but than the PCM takes over and stymies the results. I think the package WITH the brains makes the total package work.

[MadC]

Bear - can you tell us how much time it took for the install, and how much the dealer charged you?

[bearmandog]

Heads............The price will probability come down a bit with competition......a few months ago there was only one company making these and now at least 5 or 6 are making them. The base price is around $1300.00 with core exchange; the price can go up with upgrades. But I've been told if your just doing the heads you do NOT need the upgrades it all depends if going to do a cam. The Mopar performance upgrade is without the heads, so you can probability do the straight CNC heads without the upgrades and be very happy and save five or six hundred dollars. JUST a THOUGHT.

[bearmandog]

Bear - can you tell us how much time it took for the install, and how much the dealer charged you?

Yes; they started Tuesday at 1500hrs and were up and running by 1600hrs Thursday. Cost just under $1200.00.

[bearmandog]

One more thing on the Heads.........I was just going to do the CNC heads without the upgrades; but than this awesone opportunity came my way from the Supercenter and Power Ported Performance wanted in on this test.......so I got lucky and it fell in to my lap.

[lafrad]

Hey Bearmandog,

Can you comment on how different the Torque converter is?

Can you tell that it is different in normal, everyday driving? (is it all slippery and mushy for the 25mph grind?)

(Yea, this is a copy from the LX Forums.. but.. it think you check this place more often ;-) )

[bearmandog]

Hey Bearmandog,

Can you comment on how different the Torque converter is?

Can you tell that it is different in normal, everyday driving? (is it all slippery and mushy for the 25mph grind?)

(Yea, this is a copy from the LX Forums.. but.. it think you check this place more often ;-) )

The first thing you notice is the crispness of the shifts, even in drive the hesitation that was a norm IS GONE. In autostick it will pin you in the seat. I'm an everyday driver so this was impotant to me also. I think the torque converter with the TCM was responsible.

[MadC]

Yes; they started Tuesday at 1500hrs and were up and running by 1600hrs Thursday. Cost just under $1200.00.

Wow! $1200 to install heads, cam, pcm, tcm, and torque converter???
That seems awfully cheap......
:grin:

[Ted@MPSC]

MadC,
The shop gave him a really good deal on this as a complete package. I think that if our shop was going to do the same or similar install, we would do the same.

[MadC]

MadC,
The shop gave him a really good deal on this as a complete package. I think that if our shop was going to do the same or similar install, we would do the same.

Ted - I sent a pm over to you......

[Power Ported Performance]

Note: CNC heads installed from Power Ported Performance; I got all upgrades available. Jeremy provided these heads at his cost(Thanks Buddy!).

Please see the Power Ported Performance site in this Forum for all the Details. The Heads were gorgeous, and when placed next to stock; all I can say is "Oh My God" what a difference. Pictures to follow; judge for your self.

Again, this will be over the weekend. I NEED SLEEP, but I thought this had to be pointed out prior to my slumber.

Thanks Jeremy... You are the Man.

Bob,

That's really cool. Thanks. We put a lot into the design and work that's done. I can't wait to see the pictures! Glad I could be a part of this effort. I am looking forward to track times and the Dyno numbers.

Sincerley,

Jeremy Steinman

[Ted@MPSC]

Ted - I sent a pm over to you......

Yes, and when I get back to the shop I will get you the requested information.

[UA_who]

UA who,
You do not need to pull the engine to change the camshaft. The radiator and ac condenser need to be removed, and that provides enough room to change the camshaft.

I'm going to go get a quote from a different dealer then. There were 3 guys there from their shop swearing that you had to pull the motor.

Ted - I sent you an email with some questions. As soon as I find a local place to install, I'm in for the package. (without the ported heads though)

[MadC]

Yes, and when I get back to the shop I will get you the requested information.

Huh? You mean you're not working on Sunday?? :wink:

[Ted@MPSC]

The answer to the AWD question direct from engineering.
The 5.7L kit was designed for and tested on RWD vehicles only. The production calibrations are different for AWD and RWD and without testing I don't know how well the kit will work with an AWD vehicle.
Looks as if someone would have to venture out on their own to test this combination on an AWD. The AWD LX vehicles are not common for our area of the country, so I would have to say that we could not conduct this test here.

[Ted@MPSC]

Another question was brought up regarding recommended oil for this package. Here is the answer from the engineers.
The recommendation is Mobil 1 synthetic. Viscosity depends on ambient conditions. Use 5W20 if temperatures are below 0degF and 10W30 if temperatures are above 0degF.

[bearmandog]

Day four; Car still running like a CHAMP! In fact it seems to running stronger today.

There is a little lope in the idle; you might not notice unless you owned a 5.7, I've had mine for almost a year and I can pick it up with ease. Transmission still seems to be learning, but it still hits very hard. Autostick is NOW the BOMB.

I sent all my photos to Ted and he will be posting real soon.

Dyno WILL be this week; just waiting to find out which evening it is. The Dyno Guy is hyped