370 HEMI
05-18-2009, 11:54 AM
Ok, a lot of you know we make lubricants that are designed for specific applications and how people use their cars, but this was an interesting exchange anyway.
Seeing BND Automotive, the salesman thought hey, another car lot/car fixing company that I can sell my products too.
He was asked to wait in the lobby and I was given his card. Seeing how I had some time as I was waiting for one customers product to "prove out", I said yea sure, and I ushered him into our warehouse.
He explained he had a product that could be added to oils that would make a major difference to how long the equipment lasted. He asked if he could bring in his "tester" to give me a demonstration.
I figured it was what we call a one armed bandit. This is a machine that has an electric motor on the right side usually and is hooked up to a reduction unit with a hardened (about 68 Rockwell) round rotating "bearing surface". This is then engaged with a tapered roller bearing that is hardened ....about 60 Rockwell..... and installed in a chuck that is held fast which runs on the rotating bearing surface.
The prospective lubricant is then put in a cup under the rotating bearing surface and then the motor is turned on. The roller bearing is then placed on the rotating surface and is "pushed" down by a fulcrum lever used to multiply the force on the bearing surface. Think of a paper cutter arm but at the end of the arm it is connected to a surface that pushes up forcing more leverage down on the rotating mass (spinning surface against metal stationary surface).
He then brought just what I explained to me and we clamped it down on a table. He proceeded to explain the unit and stated that for every 1 lb on the back of the fulcrum it was equal to 25 lbs on the bearing surface. He then said for a base oil we will use Mobil 1. So he put it in the lubricant cup and turned on the machine. Immediately there was a scraping sound between the two pieces of metal. He then put a lb gage on the back of the fulcrum with a "stirrip" on it so he could pull down and measure the force.
The grinding increased until it "stalled" the motor at 4.5 lbs. He did this several times to show me that it was consistant. I agreed and then he said well a lot of people like Lucas oil's Heavy Duty Oil Stabilizer and proceeded to add that in about a 40% ratio to the Mobil 1 mixture. He then pulled the lever again and still 4.5 lbs to complete stall.
Then he took his "lubricant magic" and proceeded to add some of his mixture.....about a 10% addition and then used the stirrip to pull it down to 32 lbs without it loading much at all. Then he dropped the oil cup down and the race and spinning bearing continued to turn and started to smoke but didn't stop the motor.
I watched with great interest as he was sure that I would be extremely impressed and would pull out my checkbook and purchase gallons of the magic.
I evaluated his msds sheet and then did some chemicalevalulations and pointed out that his product has halogens in it. In oils, this basically comprises Chlorine and Fluorine. The term "halogen" means "salt-former" and compounds containing halogens are called "salts". Obviously, not something you want to put in an engine or oils for any long term use.
He made one major mistake though because he was so excited about his product that he didn't take the time to ask what we did at our facility.
I explained that we made our own lubricants and since he had the machine set up, lets do some evaluations of our own.
He agreed to my request, and we embarked on an hour evaluation.
Here is what we found:
Using the QuantumBlue base oil that I design for use in engines, we were able to get 13.5 lbs on his scale as opposed to the mobil 1 he had with him that went to 4.5 lbs. We tried 3 times to double check, and the number was the same at 13.5. He stated that he has been to railroads, trucking, fleet companies etc and the best he has ever seen is 6 lbs on a base oil.
So that was impressive to be much better from that point.
Then I said ok, let's add the QuantumB Catalyst to see what that did at the correct dosage and the basestock and QuantumB went to 32 lbs and stayed there. Then I added the appropriate QuantumA to the mixture and it reduced the amperage on the motor by about 25% and still continued to run.
Then I had him drop the oil cup out and have it run and it continued to run for another 2 minutes before it started to smoke and we stopped the test.
He was very impressed with the results and I showed him we have no halogens or nitrates in our products at all like he does.
Similar products to his would be like Prolong or Duralube.
At the end of the discussion and 2 hours later, he asked me if we were hiring as he is on straight commission and really wasn't sellling that much.
So there it is for your review. I do not push our products with one of those machines because it really doesn't approximate what happens in a transmission, engine, or differential, but it was interesting as the machine was there so why not.
Enjoy!
Brian
440-821-9040 :bigthumb:
Seeing BND Automotive, the salesman thought hey, another car lot/car fixing company that I can sell my products too.
He was asked to wait in the lobby and I was given his card. Seeing how I had some time as I was waiting for one customers product to "prove out", I said yea sure, and I ushered him into our warehouse.
He explained he had a product that could be added to oils that would make a major difference to how long the equipment lasted. He asked if he could bring in his "tester" to give me a demonstration.
I figured it was what we call a one armed bandit. This is a machine that has an electric motor on the right side usually and is hooked up to a reduction unit with a hardened (about 68 Rockwell) round rotating "bearing surface". This is then engaged with a tapered roller bearing that is hardened ....about 60 Rockwell..... and installed in a chuck that is held fast which runs on the rotating bearing surface.
The prospective lubricant is then put in a cup under the rotating bearing surface and then the motor is turned on. The roller bearing is then placed on the rotating surface and is "pushed" down by a fulcrum lever used to multiply the force on the bearing surface. Think of a paper cutter arm but at the end of the arm it is connected to a surface that pushes up forcing more leverage down on the rotating mass (spinning surface against metal stationary surface).
He then brought just what I explained to me and we clamped it down on a table. He proceeded to explain the unit and stated that for every 1 lb on the back of the fulcrum it was equal to 25 lbs on the bearing surface. He then said for a base oil we will use Mobil 1. So he put it in the lubricant cup and turned on the machine. Immediately there was a scraping sound between the two pieces of metal. He then put a lb gage on the back of the fulcrum with a "stirrip" on it so he could pull down and measure the force.
The grinding increased until it "stalled" the motor at 4.5 lbs. He did this several times to show me that it was consistant. I agreed and then he said well a lot of people like Lucas oil's Heavy Duty Oil Stabilizer and proceeded to add that in about a 40% ratio to the Mobil 1 mixture. He then pulled the lever again and still 4.5 lbs to complete stall.
Then he took his "lubricant magic" and proceeded to add some of his mixture.....about a 10% addition and then used the stirrip to pull it down to 32 lbs without it loading much at all. Then he dropped the oil cup down and the race and spinning bearing continued to turn and started to smoke but didn't stop the motor.
I watched with great interest as he was sure that I would be extremely impressed and would pull out my checkbook and purchase gallons of the magic.
I evaluated his msds sheet and then did some chemicalevalulations and pointed out that his product has halogens in it. In oils, this basically comprises Chlorine and Fluorine. The term "halogen" means "salt-former" and compounds containing halogens are called "salts". Obviously, not something you want to put in an engine or oils for any long term use.
He made one major mistake though because he was so excited about his product that he didn't take the time to ask what we did at our facility.
I explained that we made our own lubricants and since he had the machine set up, lets do some evaluations of our own.
He agreed to my request, and we embarked on an hour evaluation.
Here is what we found:
Using the QuantumBlue base oil that I design for use in engines, we were able to get 13.5 lbs on his scale as opposed to the mobil 1 he had with him that went to 4.5 lbs. We tried 3 times to double check, and the number was the same at 13.5. He stated that he has been to railroads, trucking, fleet companies etc and the best he has ever seen is 6 lbs on a base oil.
So that was impressive to be much better from that point.
Then I said ok, let's add the QuantumB Catalyst to see what that did at the correct dosage and the basestock and QuantumB went to 32 lbs and stayed there. Then I added the appropriate QuantumA to the mixture and it reduced the amperage on the motor by about 25% and still continued to run.
Then I had him drop the oil cup out and have it run and it continued to run for another 2 minutes before it started to smoke and we stopped the test.
He was very impressed with the results and I showed him we have no halogens or nitrates in our products at all like he does.
Similar products to his would be like Prolong or Duralube.
At the end of the discussion and 2 hours later, he asked me if we were hiring as he is on straight commission and really wasn't sellling that much.
So there it is for your review. I do not push our products with one of those machines because it really doesn't approximate what happens in a transmission, engine, or differential, but it was interesting as the machine was there so why not.
Enjoy!
Brian
440-821-9040 :bigthumb: