Vortech guys: canned or custom CMR tune?

[rw99]

For those of you running the Vortech V3 Si kit (~5-6 psi) on a stock 6.1 L motor, are you using the canned tune or a custom CMR tune?

Anybody have dyno graphs with AFR plots for canned and custom?

Thanks...

[SDChargerSRT]

I'm running the canned Vortech tune. None of my dyno graphs have AFR. I have 8,000 miles on mine as a daily driver, no problems.

[SRT8U]

10k miles on the canned tune here :)

[dudeiwin86]

i seriously cant believe you guys have put moer than 500 miles on a canned tune..
hell even that is bad.

aside from safety, im sure there are big gains to be had by going CMR.

im at a loss for words.... seriously?

[SDChargerSRT]

i seriously cant believe you guys have put moer than 500 miles on a canned tune..
hell even that is bad.

aside from safety, im sure there are big gains to be had by going CMR.

im at a loss for words.... seriously?

Well, Vortech installed mine, and although it is their canned tune it was checked and monitored by them so to me, I have a tune safety wise that is as good as a CMR. Why are you so certain that the canned tune is bad? Do you know of anyone who has toasted an engine with the canned tune? I don't.

This comes up in all these threads. I don't care if there is xx% left on the table for power, I need a car that runs every day when I start it to drive to work. And the Vortech has awesome power and driveability with the canned tune.

[Blown06Charger]

Canned tune here, no problems at all. Vortech made a safe tune so that the car could be an everyday driver, but have the power when needed. I would stick with what Vortech decided was best, I haven't heard of any problems with the canned tune.

[dudeiwin86]

oh yea,
you guys are right.

after all, all cars are identical and run exactly the same, therefore one tune is good for all cars regardless.

not!

[Blown06Charger]

oh yea,
you guys are right.

after all, all cars are identical and run exactly the same, therefore one tune is good for all cars regardless.

not!

No, you are right!

Everyone is having such problems with the canned tune, must be something wrong with it...oh wait, they aren't.

They might be able to get a more car specific tune elsewhere, but the canned tune will work perfectly fine even if all cars aren't exactly the same.

OP was asking for our input, I guess you are the only one with input that matters because you are right and everything everyone else says, who actually have a Vortech SC and are running the canned tune, is wrong.

[SRT8U]

Can you make more power with CMR...yes...is there more potential problems when custom tuning yes....am I fine with 480-500 RWHP and a high 11 or low 12 second car on a canned tune...yes :) There are no drivability issues, car has plenty of power as it is and runs great...this is Vortech I am talking about...I know the canned tunes from procharger are barely able to run the car...the Vortech tune is very drivable though.

besides....there have been no failures I am aware of from a Vortech running a canned tune...and for most customers that is key!

[SDChargerSRT]

oh yea,
you guys are right.

after all, all cars are identical and run exactly the same, therefore one tune is good for all cars regardless.

not!

Chill dude.

Using your logic, everyone should get a CMR tune before taking delivery of their car from Chrysler. After all, (see above).

I don't question that a CMR tune is a good idea for those wanting more from their setup. For me, I can't justify the money and time it takes to do a CMR correctly when the canned tune is purring along just fine. And I'm happy with how it's running. :beerchug:

[dudeiwin86]

Chill dude.

Using your logic, everyone should get a CMR tune before taking delivery of their car from Chrysler. After all, (see above).

I don't question that a CMR tune is a good idea for those wanting more from their setup. For me, I can't justify the money and time it takes to do a CMR correctly when the canned tune is purring along just fine. And I'm happy with how it's running. :beerchug:

you can spend 6 grand + on a blower bunt cant afford 350-500 on a Cmr?
(oh and you have an SRT)
i fail to believe that.

a blower is a whole different ball game than a stock car, and your analogy is weak at best.

im not saying it doesnt run,
im just saying i have a hard time believing it runs GOOD.
and i wouldnt pay upwards of 6k for somethign for it to run "just ok"

its your motor not mine,
but have you considered the consiquences on other parts of your car like the cats? overheating and burning things? extra oil consumption?

the list goes on.

just looking out for you.

[mighty noid]

I don't have a Vortech SC but I have heard of 3 engines going BOOM after they get a CMR tune... I am not saying that the CMR tune was bad at all... but with that extra power that you are getting ... the stock motor can not handle it after a period of time... not if you have a forged bottom end then the motor can handle the extra power....

Everyone that I know of that is running a Vortech Canned tune... NO PROBLEMS at all... and just to give you a number of cars that I am aware of that number would be 7.

So if I was to get a Vortech SC on my ride and wasn't going to get my bottom end forged.... then I would stick with a CANNED tune all day long... would I be getting all the power possible... no but I would have a safe and pretty damn fast car anyways...

One last thing... I live 5 miles from Vortech and I see a lot of stuff that they put out for the LX...

[rw99]

Just the sort of stuff I was hoping to read.

Now what I'd like to see are some graphs with AFR for the canned tune on a 6.1 L car. Anyone? I want to know just how rich these cars are running...

I don't want a fully optimized CMR tune if it comes at the expense of any durability.

And yes, my NA car is custom tuned :)

[Blown06Charger]

you can spend 6 grand + on a blower bunt cant afford 350-500 on a Cmr?
(oh and you have an SRT)
i fail to believe that.

a blower is a whole different ball game than a stock car, and your analogy is weak at best.

im not saying it doesnt run,
im just saying i have a hard time believing it runs GOOD.
and i wouldnt pay upwards of 6k for somethign for it to run "just ok"

its your motor not mine,
but have you considered the consiquences on other parts of your car like the cats? overheating and burning things? extra oil consumption?

the list goes on.

just looking out for you.

No one said they couldn't afford it, just that they couldn't justify it on a car that they drive every day, have had no problems with, and are happy with the canned tune.

[SDChargerSRT]

you can spend 6 grand + on a blower bunt cant afford 350-500 on a Cmr?
(oh and you have an SRT)
i fail to believe that.

a blower is a whole different ball game than a stock car, and your analogy is weak at best.

im not saying it doesnt run,
im just saying i have a hard time believing it runs GOOD.
and i wouldnt pay upwards of 6k for somethign for it to run "just ok"

its your motor not mine,
but have you considered the consiquences on other parts of your car like the cats? overheating and burning things? extra oil consumption?

the list goes on.

just looking out for you.

I didn't spend 6K, I was an R&D Car. :D

My car was at Vortech's facility for 4 weeks. No, I don't have a "CMR" tune, but my car was dynoed on 2 different dynos, road tested, etc. by Vortech for a month.

Do you know of anyone experiencing engine failure with the canned tune? There are a few of you that like to beat this drum, but I have yet to hear of a failure on the canned Vortech tune.

I didn't say I can't afford a CMR tune, I just don't see the benefit. I would rather trust what Vortech developed and then confirmed on my car when they had it for a month.

If there has been an engine failure on the canned Vortech tune, I would be interested in knowing about it. If not, I think you're just stirring the pot.
:beerchug:

[SRT8U]

very few tuners....I mean VERY FEW...have the skills to properly tune these cars in general, let alone for Forced Induction...so instead of taking your motor's life in someone's hands I can see why many keep the canned tune. The tune is very good, is it maxed out...of course not...but 500 RWHP is plenty for alot of people...much more then heads/cam, and in many cases even a stroker with a custom tune puts out...so for 6k to have a safe car that puts out almost 500 RWHP with NO other mods is pretty badass in my book.

BTW...no failures have been recorded on 5.7 or 6.1L with the canned Vortech tune....what other manufacturer/tuner can claim that?


And what has been noted...extra oil consumption, issues with cats etc...are non issues...my car uses no more oil than when it was stock, no cat issues, it is not like running N20 or race gas and melting cats or something....